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 High Dividend Counters, Better than putting in FD

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SKY 1809
post Mar 7 2010, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(yktan83 @ Mar 7 2010, 05:49 PM)
jz to add some info about CCB...

they could afford to give dividend of > RM1 in past 2 years mainly due to premium of RM18million received from investment in mercedes-benz malaysia (MBM).
their core business is really not profitable, they have been receiving net dividend income of RM11million/annum from MBM which is valid until dec 2012.
after tat the net dividend amount might be reviewed (or terminated?)

hence like wat u have said earlier, it is very unlikely to maintain dividend at > rm1.++, probably only get 5 sen of dividend
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Thanks for the info.

Ya, the core business earns very little.

Sideline business from MBM or other incomes earn more.

Even that, Co needs to earn or having 100m in Reserve in order to pay RM 1 dividends ( assuming the paid up capital is rm 100m )

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post Mar 7 2010, 10:27 PM

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Hello everyone,

I have some cash available but i would like to aim to save for a down payment for a house maybe about 50k and i foresee i'm gonna need it in 1 or 2 years time. my question would be, is it viable to be place some of these cash into high dividend counters? or would it be better if i allocate small portion to buy low n sell high?

all opinions are welcome. thanks a lot everyone.
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QUOTE(thenightcrusader @ Mar 7 2010, 10:27 PM)
Hello everyone,

I have some cash available but i would like to aim to save for a down payment for a house maybe about 50k and i foresee i'm gonna need it in 1 or 2 years time. my question would be, is it viable to be place some of these cash into high dividend counters? or would it be better if i allocate small portion to buy low n sell high?

all opinions are welcome. thanks a lot everyone.
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thenightcrusader,

Since you will be needing the cash in 1-2 years time, I advise you not to invest in dividend stocks as they rarely move significantly. Dividend stocks will only benefit you if you invest for few years (due to the accumulated dividends and capital gain over time). With this short timeframe, you are not suitable to INVEST in stock market, rather you need to take higher risk to TRADE in stock market (but you need extreme skills and luck to make it work).
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post Mar 7 2010, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 7 2010, 11:10 PM)
thenightcrusader,

Since you will be needing the cash in 1-2 years time, I advise you not to invest in dividend stocks as they rarely move significantly. Dividend stocks will only benefit you if you invest for few years (due to the accumulated dividends and capital gain over time). With this short timeframe, you are not suitable to INVEST in stock market, rather you need to take higher risk to TRADE in stock market (but you need extreme skills and luck to make it work).
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sweat.gif wat is the timeframe required to gain this extreme skills and luck to make it work
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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Mar 8 2010, 12:42 AM)
sweat.gif wat is the timeframe required to gain this extreme skills and luck to make it work
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very good point there sulifeisgreat. i believe i have 2 options in this:
1. acquire my own knowledge n skills, which will take another 1 year or
2. trade with someone who knows the market better than me.


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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Mar 7 2010, 11:42 PM)
sweat.gif wat is the timeframe required to gain this extreme skills and luck to make it work
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sulifeisgreat,

Beats me. I've been trading in the stock market for 11 years, but I still can't seem to gain quick profit from trading. So it depends on an individual whether he's made to trade or not.
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But the problem with many dividend investors ( from the info I gathered from this thread ) just invest according to the past dividends track records.

Seldom they read whether the company's core business is improving or otherwise. ( with the Exceptions of YTL Power and REITS investors ), so long the dividends are consistently given.

They are more happy to get special dividends, but in fact the company concerned could be selling off very profitable business to related parties. The special dividend could be just a cover up of their great plannings.

Even there is an increase in BLR, not all banks get to enjoy better profits. Some may drop in term of profits.

Do not mean it is the wrong way to invest.

Just Many things have been taken for granted.

Best of luck to all.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Mar 8 2010, 09:03 AM)
But the problem with many dividend investors ( from  the info I  gathered from this thread ) just invest according to the past dividends track records.

Seldom they read whether the company's  core business is improving or otherwise. ( with the  Exceptions  of YTL Power and  REITS investors ), so long the dividends are consistently given.

They are more happy  to get special dividends, but in fact the company concerned  could be selling off very profitable business to related parties. The  special dividend could be just  a cover up of their great  plannings.

Even there is an increase in BLR, not all banks get to enjoy better profits. Some may drop in term of profits.

Do not mean it is the wrong way to invest.

Just Many things have been taken for granted.

Best of luck to all.
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Yup agree with you dividend growth and sustainability is very crucial for dividend investors. nod.gif Actually i am having worries on YTLP dividend which does not shown much growth recently. But luckily they are holding 8 billion cash in hand which enable them for future acquisition.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 8 2010, 07:39 AM)
sulifeisgreat,

Beats me. I've been trading in the stock market for 11 years, but I still can't seem to gain quick profit from trading. So it depends on an individual whether he's made to trade or not.
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thenightcrusader, acquiring own knowledge n skills is better & imo, a timeframe 3-5 years more practical
it is more abt learning ur own risk mgt teknik; conquer own fear & greed; b4 trade the market
or follow the usual fa stuffs, for investing in market, lots of members in lyn to start u off

jordy, ur tag says u r into unit trust & could be, u hav a long term investor point of view & willing sit thru up & down. then most likely ur gains should be thumbup.gif as after the 1997 financial crisis, its was bargains galore

the difficult part after reading book, is applying teori, how & where to search for stocks? & its application..
the no. of share in klse not as many as usa, so maybe u dun hav tat kind of problem as me, when I started out
also need to match it with the indexes movement brows.gif really hard mind work, but is damn worth it lust.gif

Peter Lynch, famed investor and manager of the Magellan mutual fund, advocates that earnings drive the market. From 1977 to 1990, the Magellan fund rose more than 2,700%. Growth stock is the largest single category in his portfolio. He look particularly at unit growth. High growth justifies high multiples. When he senses something afoot he buys like Jim Rogers, the entire stock group, in toto: as they start to move, he may winnow the list down to a favorite few. Lynch on Cyclical Stocks - Buy High PE, Sell Low PE

http://beginnersinvest.about.com/gi/o.htm?...Peter_Lynch.htm

http://www.blastinvest.com/article/ValueCyc.htm

I rather choose growth than dividend for the 'majority' of my hard earned capital laugh.gif hav fun!






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post Mar 8 2010, 11:19 AM

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if u believe economy and demand for electronic devices are recovering, you may look at PIE, anther high dividend counter....

- have been giving out 35-36sen dividend in past two years
- cash rich
- zero debt

dividend will be proposed at end of this month, hopefully can maintain dividend at around 35 sen smile.gif


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does par value has any effect on dividend payout

let say, a company pay 3sen per share as dividend

given RM1 or RM0.5 as par value, has any difference on the dividend payout?
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QUOTE(IEE @ Apr 21 2010, 03:55 PM)
does par value has any effect on dividend payout

let say, a company pay 3sen per share as dividend

given RM1 or RM0.5 as par value, has any difference on the dividend payout?
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No difference if the company gives out 3 sen.

However, if the company gives out dividend in terms of percentage e.g. 5% dividend, then par value is important as it is 5% of par value and not 5% of stock price.
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QUOTE(IEE @ Apr 21 2010, 03:55 PM)
does par value has any effect on dividend payout

let say, a company pay 3sen per share as dividend

given RM1 or RM0.5 as par value, has any difference on the dividend payout?
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Par value has no effect on a company ability to give out dividend.

The ability to give how much dividend is always come from how much a company can make profit.
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post Apr 21 2010, 04:17 PM

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I wonder why they put par value along side the dividend. rclxub.gif


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post Apr 21 2010, 04:26 PM

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As explained par value is important if the div declared as %. smile.gif
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QUOTE(IEE @ Apr 21 2010, 04:17 PM)
I wonder why they put par value along side the dividend. rclxub.gif
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iee, where did you get the dividend table like that? is it from one of those ebroking research house? do they also provide few years eps/earnings summary in such a nice table format?

reason why i ask is because now if i want to search those data in bursa website, have to go thru the post one by one, very slow.

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QUOTE(ccdev @ Apr 22 2010, 10:21 AM)
iee, where did you get the dividend table like that? is it from one of those ebroking research house? do they also provide few years eps/earnings summary in such a nice table format?

reason why i  ask is because now if i want to search those data in bursa website, have to go thru the post one by one, very slow.
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open an account with either OSK, Kenanga, CIMB , you will get free access to the website i printscreen.
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thanks, iee.

(sorry this post take up so much space. i try to minimise but cannot find a way)

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sharing an article about Divvy smile.gif

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Great article, moppy thumbup.gif

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