High Dividend Counters, Better than putting in FD
High Dividend Counters, Better than putting in FD
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Dec 24 2007, 11:22 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
I'll go for AMWAY. The dividend paid by them is very high. For their Q3, they paid 32.5sen. Now the price is low, better collect some
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Dec 24 2007, 12:51 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 24 2007, 11:33 AM) thanks for sharing, Jordy Might be due to the ex-dividend reduction in price. As you see, they paid out quite a handsome amount of dividend over the few months.looks like another hidden treasure which i missed 30-Nov-07 - 3rd Interim 7.5¢ + Sp Interim 25¢ 15-Nov-07 - Interim 7.5¢ 03-Sep-07 - Second Interim 7.5¢ 16-May-07 - Interim 7.5¢ 01-Mar-07 - Fifth Interim 7.5¢ =============================== the price of AMWAY over the past 6 months, why is there a declining? ![]() Also due to the quiet trading of AMWAY's shares, you won't see a lot of change in price, if any. So, that explains it all On average, AMWAY's DY has been steadily above 9%. One stock that we should have for recurring income. |
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Dec 24 2007, 12:55 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
Besides AMWAY, you can also consider BAT, GUINESS, CARLSBERG and JTINTER.
They are all paying very attractive and stable dividends due to their nature of business. |
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Dec 26 2007, 01:57 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 24 2007, 01:16 PM) As of now, I have not invested any in AMWAY as I am still considering if I should invest in these dividend stocks.Most of my money is invested in lower liners, TENAGA and UT. If I am to invest in dividend stocks, AMWAY will be my choice QUOTE(feralee @ Dec 24 2007, 02:01 PM) As of next January onwards, no more claiming back on tax unless the company opt to do so.So, we are actually on the losing edge if we choose non TE counters. |
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Jan 13 2008, 12:37 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(KingRichard @ Jan 3 2008, 03:19 PM) that's one thing too look at, but should also look at capital appreciation...otherwise they maybe giving good dividend yields, but share price keep falling... Yi Lai has one of the highest DY, based on the previous year, but is the dividend consistent?take a look at yi-lai: one of the highest dividend yields around, at low absolute share price - but the share price has been also steadily falling - so it erodes the dividend gains compare it with say, maybulk or ytlpower: higher share price but lower divided yield, but has steadily appreciated despite the dividends paid out you make your decision... Most of the counters have high DY, but are the 'one-off' type, just a gimmick to lure traders eyes. Maybe a track record of it would reveal the average payout of it? |
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Jan 13 2008, 10:58 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
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Jan 14 2008, 10:50 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 08:30 PM) LPI (8621) is giving 80 sens dividends, wow! Really sad, because me and TopGunn have been discussing about LPI over at your PBBANK thread for 3 days now i wasnt aware about the existence of LPI Capital, sadly today closed at 12.50 the announcement was made in the late evening, i suppose tomorrow LPI might rally I also eyed this counter, but seems too close to the payout, so I am on the losing edge if I chase now. After the ex-d I might consider buying it for the start of a new FY What about you? Still got bullet after shooting its brother? |
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Jan 15 2008, 01:19 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 14 2008, 11:52 PM) Jordy...i eyeing on this stock quite some time...only i'm still thinking of this counter price is a bit high..my target price is RM11.60, that y i don do anything yet before discuss with all big gunn here..hehe even though i'm topgunn here.. So you are only going to Q tomorrow? Why not today?i'll expecting tomolo opening price will be at least 30 cts above..i'll Q at 12.60 in 9:00 a.m tomolo, hope can get thru... The price will go below RM12 ex-d, so I will only pick it up from there. If you buy now, you already lost almost half of the cake, as most traders already "cashed in" on the dividend long ago. So if you enter at RM12.60 (dividend of RM0.80 on ex-d), when the price hits RM12.80/RM12.90, those that entered earlier would bail out, causing the price to fall back to around RM12.30, especially with this volatile market. So assuming the price cum-d is RM12.30, the ex-d price would be RM11.50. In this scenario, you are actually losing (RM12.60 - RM11.50 - RM0.80 = RM0.30, excluding tax). Second scenario: If I managed to pick up at RM11.50 ex-d, and I wait for the next FD+SD in January 2009. Assuming the total payouts for 2008 is still the same (RM1.10), and assuming the price stays above RM12, I am actually profiting RM12 - RM11.50 + RM1.10 = RM1.60 in a year. As compared to the first scenario, using the same assumptions, you gained only RM12 - RM12.60 + RM1.10 + RM0.80 = RM1.30. Well, I hope I made it as clear as possible. I might be wrong though, so I may need Cherroy to clarify for me Hope you don't get confused with all my calculations and bad language structure. Regards |
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Jan 15 2008, 02:23 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 15 2008, 01:55 AM) Well, wht u quoted is right also..wht is in my mind is only to hold this share less than a month..i foresee there will be a sudden surge due to dividend payout..if u will look back the price chart similar date (announcement on dividend in 2007). 3/1/07 RM9.50 (announcement date) next day surge 40cts to RM9.90 close. Within a month b4 ex-date in feb 07 price surged to RM11.00; Past profit 11.00 - 9.80 = 1.20; I assume the price may surge to RM 14.00 within a month before ex-d. I'll make RM1.40 within a month. Of course..if market is too valatile, i must be wrong..Any way no risk no gain..(pick small volumn)..this is not an investment. For safer..Of course i'll only pick it after ex-D...Thanks. There is a chance for it to surge to your TP of RM14.00, IF LPI decides to offer payout of over RM1.00 this year.This rarely happens, just as what happened to DIGI back in October. News like this will definitely make the price fly. If my cash can be released by 3rd week of February, then I will definitely buy a few lots on the ex-d for long term. |
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Jan 15 2008, 11:36 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 15 2008, 09:17 AM) Hmm, didn't quite sustain for too long right? Nevermind, your aim is long term, so don't worry short term volatility Like me, I bought TENAGA at RM10.00, the dropped to below RM9.00, but today went up until RM10.40, but I missed it. If I sold today I can make gain already QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 15 2008, 09:47 AM) Wow, your ang pow must be a lot, close to RM10k? QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 15 2008, 10:20 AM) APOLLO is in my list too. Maybe I will get APOLLO and LPI on the same month. I am also considering to acquire some AMWAY. So I will have 3 high DY counter in my portfolio QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 15 2008, 03:47 PM) Damn, you are fast. Today's high of RM12.90 exceeded your expectation.Hope your calculations last night comes true. I will still stick to my ex-d purchase, as my money still hasn't come in yet! I may need to do some wealth accumulation first before going into defensive counters. I have to achieve my target of a gain of RM20k from my investments for this year before going for dividend. |
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Jan 16 2008, 12:28 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 16 2008, 12:02 AM) APOLLO - food industry really can growth? I thought you have bought it today?AMWAY - this yr net profit surge due to strong RM against US$. Company fundamental is good. But i feel that still need more time to monitor..i can believe AMWAY in 5 yrs time could be the major health products worldwide. Let's me know when u buy LPI. i'll follow u.. Does this mean you are looking to average down on your cost? Good move, if you have enough bullets for it I must remind you though, I may buy into it at the wrong time. So if you follow, don't blame me if I made a wrong decision ok? I'm not sure about APOLLO's sustainability, but I believe they will be looking into more business. It looks like their products have loyal consumers for that many repeat sales Even now, AMWAY is already one of the largest MLM company, based on revenue. But the problem with AMWAY is that they are a net importer from US. So if currency goes the other way around when the business grows, it might have an adverse effect on earnings. This might be mitigated if they plan to expand and have their own manufacturing plant. Initial cost might be high, but if their volume increase, they actually save on production cost. So it drives up their operating profit, which is good for the long term. |
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Jan 16 2008, 10:52 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(kinwawa @ Jan 16 2008, 11:48 AM) pbbank 10.8! come on.....10.6...i wan i wan Market volatility to continue, so it is still safer to enter after ex-d, when the price will drop at least RM0.80.Added on January 16, 2008, 3:21 pmLPI noq 12.3! wow!!! dare to go in??? It should create a margin of safety for us investors. I am also waiting for 3rd week of next month to enter LPI. |
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Jan 17 2008, 04:45 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
The price for LPI is still stable as of now (10.50), so not to worry.
Just take a look at my TENAGA, I bought it at RM10.00, but few days later big selldown, forcing the price to go down below RM9.00. Until now I still holding, because I believe TENAGA is not so easily beaten down. We just have to wait for the right time, so no rush |
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Jan 18 2008, 02:05 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 17 2008, 05:02 PM) Haha, what a boo-boo. What was I thinking to have typed 10 instead of 12.My apologies Today first half was not bad too, at RM12.40. Maybe we can see a U-turn towards the end? QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 17 2008, 10:02 PM) just wondering did anybody buy MAYBANK and keep it as dividend counter as well? They paid 2 times? I think something is wrong with your numbers.MAYBANK dividends record back in 2007 CODE Interim 17.5¢ | 31-Dec-07 Final 40¢ | 30-Oct-07 Final 25¢ + Special 35¢ | 07-Nov-07 Interim 40¢ | 10-Apr-07 current price is 12.20 lowest was around 10.50 (back in august07) ![]() This is what I got: Interim 21-Feb-07 40 sen Final 29-Aug-07 40 sen Only 2 payouts for FY07, how come you got 4 payouts there? Maybank's record is usually 2 payouts per annum, so at current price, the yield is not attractive. LPI same price, but the current FD+SD already equal Maybank's whole year of dividends. This is not a good choice This post has been edited by Jordy: Jan 18 2008, 02:05 PM |
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Jan 22 2008, 10:32 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 21 2008, 08:32 PM) i found one stock which is high dividend yield but price is affordable! Yilai has high DY, but you sure it isn't just a one time thingy?today closing price is RM 1.02 DY % = 12.7% Dividend (Interim + Final) = 13 sens Counter name = YiLai ![]() high DY% isn't Another counter that could be a new high DY counter is ZHULIAN. It is cash rich at RM126 million, and proposed a dividend of 13.5 sen. At current price of RM1.09, the DY is around 12.4. It is a MLM company, which has been a household name over at the north and south. So, they should be able to sustain the high DY. Might be the next AMWAY too |
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Jan 31 2008, 07:05 PM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 31 2008, 12:11 PM) You will entiltle dividend as long as you hold/buy before ex-Date. Pls take note that the share price will be adjusted after the ex-Date. Yes, it does not matter when or how long you hold the shares, you still get the same amount of dividend.Example - PBBank RM11.30 (before ex-date) dividend 0.20 Next market day, price will adjusted to RM11.10 and you will received you cheque on 0.20 dividend. If you do this though, you could have lost out to those who have held it even longer, because prices tend to appreciate higher when investors anticipate a payout soon. Buying a stock just before dividend is not doing you any much good, plus you need to consider the 26% tax on your dividend |
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Feb 23 2008, 11:59 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Feb 22 2008, 11:33 AM) Go to biz.thestar.com.my and move the cursor over Market Intelligence, 4th box down. These non-Syariah stocks are considered stable because their earnings are based on addiction.After reading this thread I figure that generally, vice stocks (booze, ciggies & gambling) and direct selling like Amway and zhulian tend to yield fairly decent dividend returns? Would this be considered investing on fundamentals? That is why they are able to pay out very high dividend yield. Their prices might not appreciate much because their business is fairly stable, and the risk of higher taxes on them. |
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Mar 10 2008, 12:22 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(tkwfriend @ Mar 9 2008, 10:37 PM) BJTOTO is a gaming counter, so it can pay generous dividends because the nature of its business is non-cyclical.It is meant to say that people will still gamble whether or not the economy is good. So their earnings are stable regardless of economic conditions. The par value of a company is not important here, because it is only a value stated by the company. |
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Mar 10 2008, 10:16 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(tkwfriend @ Mar 10 2008, 09:56 AM) well just wonder how to actually calculate the dividen and the net dividen If in cents, it is a direct translation of the actual amount. Example 51¢ means RM510.if let say in persentage from and one in sen Fourth Interim 7.5¢ 28-Jun-07 15-Aug-07 17-Aug-07 30-Aug-07 45¢ 51¢ Third Interim 12.5¢ 07-Mar-07 26-Mar-07 28-Mar-07 09-Apr-07 37.5¢ 51¢ Second Interim 12.5¢ 08-Dec-06 03-Jan-07 05-Jan-07 15-Jan-07 25¢ 51¢ First Interim 12.5¢ 06-Sep-06 22-Sep-06 26-Sep-06 09-Oct-06 12.5¢ 51¢ First Interim 8% 17-Dec-03 30-Jan-04 05-Feb-04 23-Feb-04 8% 38% Final 28% 29-Sep-03 11-Nov-03 13-Nov-03 08-Dec-03 38% 50% Second Interim 5% 18-Mar-03 29-May-03 02-Jun-03 16-Jun-03 180% 50% First Interim 5% 18-Dec-02 28-Feb-03 05-Mar-03 17-Mar-03 5% 35% Final 25% 20-Sep-02 18-Nov-02 20-Nov-02 10-Dec-02 50% 28% Special cash 45% TE + 125% 24-May-02 11-Jun-02 13-Jun-02 19-Jul-02 8.66% - Special cash 45% TE + 125% 24-May-02 11-Jun-02 13-Jun-02 29-Jul-02 4% Special cash 45% TE + 125% 24-May-02 11-Jun-02 13-Jun-02 23-Jul-02 20% Second Interim 15% 18-Mar-02 15-May-02 17-May-02 17-Jun-02 25% 28% If in percentage, it is based on the par value of the counter. Lets say 25% for a RM1.00 par counter, then it is RM250. |
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Apr 1 2008, 11:37 AM
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Elite
5,626 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: Klang, Selangor |
QUOTE(feralee @ Apr 1 2008, 09:00 AM) That is like what, a DY of 21%?I think they will be paying a high one-off special dividend Still, this number is high for the price at the moment. Wonder how high the price would go after this announcement |
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