5 year survival rate for stage 4 stomach cancer is about 5%.
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Asian Pacific Journal of Cancer Prevention, Vol 9, 2008
Cancer, Anyone here with a close family member..
Cancer, Anyone here with a close family member..
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Mar 23 2009, 05:28 PM
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5 year survival rate for stage 4 stomach cancer is about 5%.
Source Asian Pacific Journal of Cancer Prevention, Vol 9, 2008 |
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Mar 23 2009, 05:47 PM
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My grand-aunt was diagnosed with cancer (forgot which stage or part) when she was in her 30's. She went through multiple radiation, hair lost, etc. She lived to the ripe old age of 80+ and passed away this few years ago. When she was in her 50's-70's, she still smokes 2 packs of cigarettes a day
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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 23 2009, 05:10 PM) In a blunt truth kind of way, he is right. Although his delivery could be better. hi Mate...this really help me alot thx...little fixing by the way...is my aunt not my mother.....if is my mother i think the only thing i know is crying now not typing word....so...maximum she only can live up to 5 years and the chances in 50-50....this is very bad...as my parent keep buying those very expensive chinese medicine for her, hoping she will recover....mayb is call karma, like wat Buddhist...wat u did in your previous life eventually u have to pay... but i still feel so unfair...y not those ppl who steal and kill ppl to get 30 bucks get all this disease, good people who humble and decent deed always the one who suffer....damn really have the nerve to join police force so thing will be better...haha..only dare to express feeling in here since no one know me...the keyboard warrior...And yes, there are ppl who have recovered from 4th stage but it is a 50-50 chance. The hardest thing is the fight to be optimistic that things will get better, especially when having to undergo the chemotherapy. It is even more painful when you're waiting there at the hospital day-by-day. The cancer ward is probably the most gloomiest hospital ward as a lot of family members will more-or-less "abandon" the families in those wards. The silence of the wards is extremely tangible when they remove a patient who has pass away at night. Those who haven't gone to a cancer ward before, have a care on what you write to people here who are seeking help and a guiding light. Even though the intention to help with good, if you're not going to take the effort to give a few words of kindness and encouragement, I would suggest don't bother typing at all. Valentineday, my only advice is that you would have to be positive for your mother. You can try drawing her attention away from the cancer by bringing her magazines, books, telling her what's happening in your life, etc. Anything to distract her mind and behaving it's a normal day because they would like normalcy. Touch her - this more than anything else will show that you love her. Hug her often. Occasionally have meals together with her just like it's a normal day. Even if she protested hard, deep down the appreciation is there that you are eating with her together. With stomach cancer, I'm not sure what kind of food that both of you can share together but drinks also helps. Eating alone can be extremely depressing. My auntie suffered from a cancer in her nose that eventually spread to her spine during the regression period. She was the most optimistic person I've ever had the pleasure to have known and she kept her positive mood up even when she passed away quietly. Even when she lost the use of her teeth, we still fed her foods that she like - we just blended it so that she can swallow it like char kway teow. But this was at a stage where the cancer got so terrible that nothing could fix it. She was a joy and a cheerfulness in the cancer ward. We used to visit her regularly and spend hours with her. Some of my cousins got into bed with her and they just chitchat. We were also lucky to have found someone who knew about bedcare and we could hire her as a parttime nurse to help maintain my auntie's cleanliness. There should be also some sort of Hospice Volunteer group at the Hospital. They usually provide advice and help to cancer patients and families of cancer patients during this period. Hospice doesn't only mean pallative care. It's also about teaching the families to deal with having a loved one who is having cancer. Speak to the hospital. |
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Mar 23 2009, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(Valentineday @ Mar 23 2009, 10:33 PM) hi Mate...this really help me alot thx...little fixing by the way...is my aunt not my mother.....if is my mother i think the only thing i know is crying now not typing word....so...maximum she only can live up to 5 years and the chances in 50-50....this is very bad...as my parent keep buying those very expensive chinese medicine for her, hoping she will recover....mayb is call karma, like wat Buddhist...wat u did in your previous life eventually u have to pay... but i still feel so unfair...y not those ppl who steal and kill ppl to get 30 bucks get all this disease, good people who humble and decent deed always the one who suffer....damn really have the nerve to join police force so thing will be better...haha..only dare to express feeling in here since no one know me...the keyboard warrior... Chinese medicine is not so well regulated here compared to China, Taiwan, Korea and Japan. Singapore is making more advances towards traditional medicine control but in Malaysia, not really.The problem with Chinese Medicine is that it's not well known what are the side reactions with Western Medicine. In fact, it's an extremely high risk and your parents should really consult the doctor looking after your auntie. Your parents are trying to help in the only way that they know how to. It's normal for relatives to feel like this with loved ones. Life is unfair only because you view it as unfair. Sometimes, in tough situations, you have to be optimistic or at least, change the way you look at things. Yes, you can feel frustrated but you do not need to let it make you so angry at life. The only constant thing in life is change. Everything around us will change. So we should also change our thinking and viewpoint to suit the change. Added on March 23, 2009, 11:07 pmA small suggestion : you might want to consider buying "Chicken Soup for the Soul". See if there is one for cancer patients or something. The stories in there are motivational stories and can help perk up your day. This post has been edited by myremi: Mar 23 2009, 11:07 PM |
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QUOTE(Valentineday @ Mar 23 2009, 04:09 PM) hey mate...u serious about this statement? now really scaring me man....her face juz look fine to me....there r ppl recover from 4th stage right? QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 23 2009, 05:10 PM) In a blunt truth kind of way, he is right. Although his delivery could be better. And yes, there are ppl who have recovered from 4th stage but it is a 50-50 chance. The hardest thing is the fight to be optimistic that things will get better, especially when having to undergo the chemotherapy. It is even more painful when you're waiting there at the hospital day-by-day. The cancer ward is probably the most gloomiest hospital ward as a lot of family members will more-or-less "abandon" the families in those wards. The silence of the wards is extremely tangible when they remove a patient who has pass away at night. Those who haven't gone to a cancer ward before, have a care on what you write to people here who are seeking help and a guiding light. Even though the intention to help with good, if you're not going to take the effort to give a few words of kindness and encouragement, I would suggest don't bother typing at all. Valentineday, my only advice is that you would have to be positive for your mother. You can try drawing her attention away from the cancer by bringing her magazines, books, telling her what's happening in your life, etc. Anything to distract her mind and behaving it's a normal day because they would like normalcy. Touch her - this more than anything else will show that you love her. Hug her often. Occasionally have meals together with her just like it's a normal day. Even if she protested hard, deep down the appreciation is there that you are eating with her together. With stomach cancer, I'm not sure what kind of food that both of you can share together but drinks also helps. Eating alone can be extremely depressing. My auntie suffered from a cancer in her nose that eventually spread to her spine during the regression period. She was the most optimistic person I've ever had the pleasure to have known and she kept her positive mood up even when she passed away quietly. Even when she lost the use of her teeth, we still fed her foods that she like - we just blended it so that she can swallow it like char kway teow. But this was at a stage where the cancer got so terrible that nothing could fix it. She was a joy and a cheerfulness in the cancer ward. We used to visit her regularly and spend hours with her. Some of my cousins got into bed with her and they just chitchat. We were also lucky to have found someone who knew about bedcare and we could hire her as a parttime nurse to help maintain my auntie's cleanliness. There should be also some sort of Hospice Volunteer group at the Hospital. They usually provide advice and help to cancer patients and families of cancer patients during this period. Hospice doesn't only mean pallative care. It's also about teaching the families to deal with having a loved one who is having cancer. Speak to the hospital. My wife has 4th stage colon cancer, metastasis to the liver. Surgery done last September (two major surgeries actually, the second one was to re-stich the wound that did not heal). More than a month in hospital, 2 major surgeries, 6 1/2 days in ICU. NO RADIATION, NO CHEMO. Valentineday - Staging of cancer is just that, nothing more. Do not lose hope just because it is stage 4 - we just have to manage the mets (the spread). I know of many people in Malaysia with 4th stage cancer who are living beyond the timeline the doctors gave. Other than the surgery (that I now feel was unnecessary), I have managed my wife's cancer TOTALLY through alternative cancer treatments (B17 protocol, Carnivora/DMSO/Lamonica/Lymphatic drainage protocol, Cellfood, Transfer Factor, herbs and a combination of selected vitamins/supplements.) Barely 3 months after the major surgeries, she returned to work (Jan 15). She still has cancer, but her tumor markers have been showing a steady decline. We take things one day at a time, but we NEVER LOSE HOPE. Details here: www.randolphworld.com All the best to cancer sufferers out there. Never give up. This post has been edited by goodkarma: Mar 23 2009, 11:12 PM |
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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 23 2009, 11:04 PM) Chinese medicine is not so well regulated here compared to China, Taiwan, Korea and Japan. Singapore is making more advances towards traditional medicine control but in Malaysia, not really. according to various source and real life example drink this http://www.eexcel.com.my/pr_pr_perfor.htm and eat some kind of powder produce by porcupine in their brain will help control and strengthen our immune system...eventually after some times everything will be fine....The problem with Chinese Medicine is that it's not well known what are the side reactions with Western Medicine. In fact, it's an extremely high risk and your parents should really consult the doctor looking after your auntie. Your parents are trying to help in the only way that they know how to. It's normal for relatives to feel like this with loved ones. Life is unfair only because you view it as unfair. Sometimes, in tough situations, you have to be optimistic or at least, change the way you look at things. Yes, you can feel frustrated but you do not need to let it make you so angry at life. The only constant thing in life is change. Everything around us will change. So we should also change our thinking and viewpoint to suit the change. Added on March 23, 2009, 11:07 pmA small suggestion : you might want to consider buying "Chicken Soup for the Soul". See if there is one for cancer patients or something. The stories in there are motivational stories and can help perk up your day. |
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Mar 23 2009, 11:28 PM
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goodkarma : Thanks for the compliment and awesome blog btw! I hope that your wife will make a successful recovery and have fun in life!
QUOTE(Valentineday @ Mar 23 2009, 11:18 PM) according to various source and real life example drink this http://www.eexcel.com.my/pr_pr_perfor.htm and eat some kind of powder produce by porcupine in their brain will help control and strengthen our immune system...eventually after some times everything will be fine.... I have my doubts but only because I can't see the information that may be useful. But I'm a huge skeptic and it takes a lot of various articles from reputable sources to convince me.You might want to speak to goodkarma. He may give you some insight as it looks like he's a fulltime cancer "researcher". Looks like information researcher. May help give you a different view from me. I'm extremely opinionated. |
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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 23 2009, 11:28 PM) goodkarma : Thanks for the compliment and awesome blog btw! I hope that your wife will make a successful recovery and have fun in life! Myremi, thank you for the kind wishes.I have my doubts but only because I can't see the information that may be useful. But I'm a huge skeptic and it takes a lot of various articles from reputable sources to convince me. You might want to speak to goodkarma. He may give you some insight as it looks like he's a fulltime cancer "researcher". Looks like information researcher. May help give you a different view from me. I'm extremely opinionated. And yes, you are quite right - I have changed "cancer researcher" to "alternative cancer treatment researcher"! And to cancer sufferers out there - feel free to contact me anytime. This post has been edited by goodkarma: Mar 24 2009, 12:01 AM |
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valentineday : Hmm...I'm not sure but check with goodkharma. I'm hedging a guess here.
After quickly scanning through the websites, I can see why you said it's about Chinese Medicine. It's not quite completely Chinese Medicine but in a way, modern nutrition with some homeopathy philosophy mixed in. Majority of the Unique Ingredients are well recognized in the Western world on the homeopathy front. And the drink that your parents are giving your aunt seems to contain plant extract known as phytochemicals. I'm going by the link that you posted. Here's some details about phytochemicals but you may want to search for more. I only pick the 1st one that made some sense : http://www.phytochemicals.info/ Just because a Chinese researcher started a company with products that won awards in China and Taiwan doesn't mean that it's about Chinese traditional medicine. I'm guessing that you're parents are trying to make sure that she has enough of the right nutrients to fight the cancer. |
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browsing through goodkarma blog, am quite attracted to DMSO+chemo treatment @@ So the doctor succesfully target the cancer cell and selectively destroy it?
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QUOTE(ivzh @ Mar 24 2009, 12:06 AM) To answer in two words - Lifestyle and Diet. Make changes to both, and you dramatically increase your chances of avoiding such illnesses. QUOTE(ivzh @ Mar 24 2009, 12:30 AM) browsing through goodkarma blog, am quite attracted to DMSO+chemo treatment @@ So the doctor succesfully target the cancer cell and selectively destroy it? The article on DMSO suggests that it would "transport" chemotherapy in a much more efficient way to the targeted cancer cells. This is the theory. Every cancer patient is different, and will react differently to chemo. Take the same chemo cocktail and give it to 3 patients with identical cancers and you may get 3 completely different results. Even the best oncologists agree on this.Having said this, my personal view is that chemo should be very carefully considered before it is done. The worldwide success rate for chemo is no more than 5%. Yes, a dismal 5% (actually, it is less than this). But I am not going to debate with anyone on this - each person should go and check the statistics themselves, maybe even talk to relatives of cancer patients who had survived no more than 6 months after undergoing chemo/radiation. The facts are out there. Best of luck. |
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QUOTE(goodkarma @ Mar 26 2009, 09:44 PM) To answer in two words - Lifestyle and Diet. I chuckled a bit at this. We probably have preplex majority of the forum readers out. Which reminds me, need to get that nutrition post up. >.<Make changes to both, and you dramatically increase your chances of avoiding such illnesses. Anyway, have you thought of Dr. Luke Lin from Taiwan? What do you think of his approach towards a lifestyle change, especially for cancer patients? A friend lent me a recipe book of his recipes and some of the dishes look interesting. But a lot of boiling and steaming though. |
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Mar 26 2009, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 26 2009, 11:06 PM) I chuckled a bit at this. We probably have preplex majority of the forum readers out. Which reminds me, need to get that nutrition post up. >.< The Dr Luke Lin I heard of is the VP of Clinical Research & Development, TaiGen, not sure it is the same person you refer to. I haven't seen his recipes. You are more the expert in such dishes! As for this Dr Luke Lin, I am always suspicious when one is associated too long with a drug/pharmaceutical company - where profit is the reason behind most every move.Anyway, have you thought of Dr. Luke Lin from Taiwan? What do you think of his approach towards a lifestyle change, especially for cancer patients? A friend lent me a recipe book of his recipes and some of the dishes look interesting. But a lot of boiling and steaming though. |
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Errr....I'm not an expert. I'm still learning >.<.
I googled the Dr Luke Lin you mentioned. It's not him. The person I'm referring to is Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang. I got to know about him a few years ago when I bought a random book from Popular Bookstore about Fresh, Light, Toxin-Free. It was more on concepts of eating and there were quite a number of testimonials from cancer survivors (although the way they describe the healing crisis is tough). The Recipe Book was is titled "21 Days : Dr Luke Lin's Guid eto Toxin-free living" although I was informed that this one couldn't be bought in bookstores. His detox diet is really popular amongst the Chinese community from what I hear from friends. Food is a bit bland because it's mostly steam/boiled but his philosophy of food selection is a mesh of Western and Chinese nutrition philosophy. That's what makes it intriguing. This post has been edited by myremi: Mar 27 2009, 12:25 AM |
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I understand i've posted this link twice now, but yet it again for the benefit of those who have not viewed it yet.
Randy Pausch is a lecturer whom suffered from pancreatic cancer. Even having such an advanced stage cancer did not change his outlook on life. He's famous for his "Last Lecture" I hope those that who are or have family members who are in similar predicament can draw strength from his tale. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BODHsU3hDo4 |
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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 27 2009, 12:21 AM) Errr....I'm not an expert. I'm still learning >.<. Thanks for the info, will try to look for his book. There are of course hundreds of diet plans that claim to cure cancer, and some of them work pretty well, and my general assessment of such diets is that as long as it consists of intake of raw or fresh vegetables and fruits, and less cooked food, it will be good for the body and strengthen the immune system so that it can fight cancer or any other illness better. And by the way, if one were to steam fish that has been farmed in a careless way (where there is use of chemicals - there are even cases of steriods being injected into live fish swimming merrily in the seafood restaurant), then there is absolutely no benefit to the sick person. Or eating so-called healthy vegetables that have been sprayed with chemicals. So it goes beyond the diet, actually. I googled the Dr Luke Lin you mentioned. It's not him. The person I'm referring to is Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang. I got to know about him a few years ago when I bought a random book from Popular Bookstore about Fresh, Light, Toxin-Free. It was more on concepts of eating and there were quite a number of testimonials from cancer survivors (although the way they describe the healing crisis is tough). The Recipe Book was is titled "21 Days : Dr Luke Lin's Guid eto Toxin-free living" although I was informed that this one couldn't be bought in bookstores. His detox diet is really popular amongst the Chinese community from what I hear from friends. Food is a bit bland because it's mostly steam/boiled but his philosophy of food selection is a mesh of Western and Chinese nutrition philosophy. That's what makes it intriguing. QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ Mar 27 2009, 12:35 AM) I understand i've posted this link twice now, but yet it again for the benefit of those who have not viewed it yet. I followed Randy Pausch's illness over the last few years. Yes, it is a most inspiring story and an excellent example of positive thinking. He probably achieved more in the last few years of his life than most people do in their lifetime.Randy Pausch is a lecturer whom suffered from pancreatic cancer. Even having such an advanced stage cancer did not change his outlook on life. He's famous for his "Last Lecture" I hope those that who are or have family members who are in similar predicament can draw strength from his tale. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BODHsU3hDo4 |
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QUOTE(goodkarma @ Mar 27 2009, 08:46 AM) Thanks for the info, will try to look for his book. There are of course hundreds of diet plans that claim to cure cancer, and some of them work pretty well, and my general assessment of such diets is that as long as it consists of intake of raw or fresh vegetables and fruits, and less cooked food, it will be good for the body and strengthen the immune system so that it can fight cancer or any other illness better. And by the way, if one were to steam fish that has been farmed in a careless way (where there is use of chemicals - there are even cases of steriods being injected into live fish swimming merrily in the seafood restaurant), then there is absolutely no benefit to the sick person. Or eating so-called healthy vegetables that have been sprayed with chemicals. So it goes beyond the diet, actually. Agree on the raw / fresh veggie part. I wouldn't quite say less cooked food but more on processed food. Plus, I don't take so much raw veggie because my stomach clenches too much and I don't quite like it unless it's been marinated overnight (speaking of which, vinegar is good for this. I like to use a touch of balsamic vinegar and let the salad sit overnight to let the vinegar react that the sugar comes out of the veggie into the other).I haven't eaten in a seafood restaurant in a long while and we seldom eat fish from the fish tank. Usually it's the frozen coldstorage ones or they are local fish that are put on ice. Although I suppose if we really want to get really technical about it, then we probably can't eat any fish in the ocean because the pollution is pretty bad. And with the ocean that is as wide as it is, the pollution can carry a long long way. So, I usually just put it down to choice and don't think about it so much. If I don't survive, I don't survive. You're right on the healthy vegetables being covered with chemicals. I remember a general comment made by my German boss about it as we were on the highway (autobahn) and we just saw trucks after trucks on the road. He was saying how European companies have shifted all their goods from storage in warehouses to storage on the roads. In order to keep the food "fresh" in the trucks, the food does contain chemicals. I suppose that if we really want chemical-free vegetables, there's not much choice but to plant vegetables at home. I haven't taken that step yet but my granny has. Her garden is filled with plants to eat, some herbs as well as vegetables that we sometimes cook. It's a hobby for her and she enjoys it. I've been giving standing instructions to buy veggie seeds for her. |
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My father died because of cancer. The most saddening part was that I only knew of what his illness was three days before he died. He suffered for two years and kept the identity of his illness secret from his family, including from my mother. The doctor revealed his illness to us when he was already in a coma.
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