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SSJBen
post Mar 3 2009, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Scavengers @ Feb 13 2009, 09:01 AM)
hurm..now i'm torned
either getting s2409w with hdmi but low contrast ratio or 2333sw
but price for 2333sw now is tempting tho
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Both have the same static contrast ratio, which is all that matter.
Because Samsung's dynamic contrast ratio doesn't even work correctly in the first place, made to trick newbies into buying the "higher" contrasted monitor?


Added on March 3, 2009, 3:40 pm
QUOTE(john_makaay @ Mar 3 2009, 11:08 AM)
most important thing about LCD monitor is... play FPS game will not make u feel dizzy. take that into consideration. Acer, benq FULL HD will make u feel dizzy .

try DELL monitor. RM 999  . 22 inches . forgot the model number. it is 1050 p. almost FULL HD
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Doesn't work that way.

The reason why the LCD makes you feel dizzy is mostly because of the refresh rate, your eyes aren't used to 75hz refresh rates. This applies to all monitors, doesn't mean that particular Acer or BenQ will make everyone dizzy. Nothing to do with the brand, more like with your eyes and the refresh rate of the monitor.

That Dell you are talking about, 228WFP maybe?
Bad choice, its a 16:10 aspect ratio monitor. Doesn't have 1:1 pixel mapping and 16:9 zoom in, images will be stretched. Even if it is a S-PVA panel, its on the older S-PVA technology. Input lag is noticeable and response times isn't really that good enough.

Besides, why would you pay RM1k when you can buy RM300 less for the S2409W, a 24" LCD Full HD monitor?
Sure its a TN panel and it comes no where close in matching the color accuracy of S-PVA panels, but I'd sacrifice that for no input lag. Thats the single most important thing in gaming.

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The difference is night and day, obviously.
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Yes great TV for the PS3.
You're fine. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 10 2009, 02:23 PM

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Because it doesn't support HDCP, you won't be able to play games either.
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post Mar 10 2009, 02:31 PM

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Its entirely for Blu-Ray, not only for movies. So that goes to games too.

If you get a TV-Tuner, you'll need to connect your PS3 to it via composite/s-video. Doing so, you won't even get 720p HD, quality will suffer way too much on an LCD.

The same thing happens if you get a HDMI TV-Tuner with HD recording capabilities, you would be recording, but nothing would show up on screen.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 12 2009, 03:39 PM)
Bravia S 40' and Bravia V 40'. What's the difference?
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They are 2 different series.
I have no idea which S and V model you are pointing to, but the main differences from S and V is that V is the higher end TV.

Full HD is supported all across the new V series, has better color accuracy as they use S-PVA panels instead of S-IPS(which is what the S uses). Dynamic contrast ratio are obviously higher, has more inputs, optical audio out and so on.

Personally, I'd suggest you just go for the Bravia V series if your budget allows it.
Try to steer clear away from the S, because at its own level, there are better competitors offerings like the Sharp AC42A33M and its also cheaper at the same time.

QUOTE(shinjite @ Mar 12 2009, 05:18 PM)
Get component cables will be another solution without HDMI
Can support up to 1080p

ANyway, I bought myself a 32" SHARP LC-32A33M HD ready TV for RM1599 at Harvey Norman
Satisfied with it although not really full HD, max output is 1080i smile.gif

MGS4 LOOKED SUPERB even with 1080i smile.gif
Waiting for my HDMI cable to arrive, currently on component cables
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Which Harvey Norman did you go to?
I've searched for a few around and most of them are still selling the 32A3MM at RM1799.

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Mar 12 2009, 05:41 PM)
Mine I bought was at Aeon Jusco Bukit Tinggi Klang

What do you think of that model, SSJBen? The SHARP AQUOS L-32A33M
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Wow... awesome deal you got.

The AQUOS L-32A33M is one of the best, if not the best "budget"(or mainstream) LCD TV you can get now for under RM2k.
The colors are extremely vivid, sharp(hence the name, SHARP laugh.gif ), and doesn't have any sort of color bending. SHARP builds their own panels instead of sourcing them from Samsung or Hitachi, which what you get is original without any sort of modification to its panel.

While I do think the black levels on the 32A33M is slightly lacking to that of the LG30, it isn't such a big deal especially when you have some of the most vivid colors around on a non-Full HD 32 incher.

Probably the biggest trait for the 32A33M is that it is really built for gaming in its mind.
I have not seen or even encounter any sort of input lag on the TV(the Samsung 32A350 is a different story here), which is crucial for gaming. So no complaints on your input not registering if you get headshot in MGO.... brows.gif

Anyways, awesome TV you got at an awesome price!! Enjoy it. Full HD is not needed at all, even if you watch Blu-Ray movies. The sharpness of the 32A33M makes up for it.


QUOTE(Gamer007 @ Mar 12 2009, 05:44 PM)
Harvey Norman usually sell items at a very high price even if there is a discount.

I suggest to scout around other electronics shops before you buy at Harvey.  smile.gif
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Yea very true. Although sometimes they just have a sort of crazy deal that no others can match.

Shinjite is the lucky one this time.


QUOTE(anyme @ Mar 12 2009, 05:44 PM)
anybody use this samsung model LA37A550. good aa??
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Its decent at best.
Rather poor color accuracy though and theres certain backlight bleeding during dark scenes.
While Samsung has fixed their input lagging problem, theres still motion blur on extremely fast scenes(I saw it on DBZ: Burst Limit).

There are better alternatives.
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32A53M is the same as the 32A33M, except the A53 has 100hz and ironically a worst speaker.

Wherter you like 100hz or not, that is up to your eyes.
Personally for me, I see motion blur when 100hz is enabled on gaming especially fast scenes. Though 100hz works remarkably well on movies however.
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I do suggest you go and test it out first.
After all, 100hz may just look better to you when gaming.

Its really more of a personal oppinion, which is why 100hz is more like a gimmick than an actual feature.

Not mistaken, A33 and A53 prices aren't too far apart. About RM200-RM300 difference I think.
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Luckily you did.

That other Samsung 32" LCD TV should most probably be the 32A350, a a crappy ass LCD. Other than its design, theres nothing to shout about on that TV.
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QUOTE(MasterAlvin @ Mar 12 2009, 10:38 PM)
Hi i'm looking to buy a new LCD TV but i'm confused over which to buy, corrently we have our eyes on the Sasung 5 Series 40" which has full HD, about RM3999 from Harvey Norman but we've also come across some other brands of the same spec with lower price.

we really dunno which to buy =(

pls offer me some advice for buying 40-42" LCD TV for gaming and DVD/BD viewing
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I'm taking that your budget is around RM4k or so.

If thats the case, the Panasonic 42LZ80MK is one of the best choices here, in regards to price and quality.
Fellow forumer htkaki is selling it for RM3.6k, great price: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/348254

Love the black levels on the 42LZ80MK, awesome for movies.
No motion blur and input lag of any sorts though, the speakers isn't half bad too. Only caveat I have with this TV is the design, it looks so old-school! laugh.gif


QUOTE(Astroranagun @ Mar 13 2009, 10:05 AM)
Hi i'm also looking to buy a new LCD monitor but i'm confused over which to buy, I need a monitor which has full HD for PS3 and blu-ray movie, able to link to my laptop and play PS2 games and support pal too!
Pls offer me some advice for buying which brand and model of LCD monitor... thanks!!
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You have a variety of choices.

BenQ E2200HD is one of the best choices if you are wanting a 22" monitor, under the RM600 price point.
Higher up, you can get a Dell S2409W 24" for RM700 right now on Dell Malaysia official website.

Though they won't have any S-Video/Composite input to play your PS2 on, you'll need either an external TV tuner or VGA box for that.


QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 13 2009, 01:04 PM)
Well, at the moment its the current Bravia V 40' that retails for RM4999 that i've set my sights on...
Any other suggestions, i.e. something under RM5k?
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Which Bravia V are you interested on? Is it the KLV-V400A?
If it is, its one of the better LCDs around although there are similar alternatives at a lower price point.

You could go for the SHARP LC42A65M, it doesn't have as good of an image scaler as the KLV-V400A(the Bravia Engine 2 is pretty much one of the best on scaling low-res visuals on an LCD). Black levels isn't as good either, but doesn't fare too bad. If you aren't a movie enthusiast who absolutely must have a true cinematic experience on a TV, go for the SHARP.

htkaki is selling it for RM4425: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/666278

QUOTE(anyme @ Mar 13 2009, 02:58 PM)
ty..ty.. can u tell me wat the better alternative??
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Panasonic 37LZ80MK: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/348254

Unless you are looking for a Full HD panel, the 37LZ80MK is pretty much the best you can hope for in the 37" TV sector(not counting Full HD models and other sort of things). You can also head for the SHARP LC37A65M, but should most probably be a little bit expensive. Trade off is you get 100hz motion.
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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ Mar 14 2009, 11:45 AM)
Try using a Monster 400 DVI-HDMI cable to connect your PS3 to your LCD Monitor.

PS3 (HDMI) to LCD Monitor (DVI). No need conversion adapter.

Connect straight to your monitor and achive excellent HD quality PS3 gaming.

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Check out this thread for more information:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/909344
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Here comes your promotion which has nothing at all to do with the current discussion....
Are you so desperate? shakehead.gif
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post Mar 15 2009, 03:11 AM

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Panasonic makes some of the best LCD and Plasma TVs around. They aren't that popular here because our best friend Samsung monopolize everything here.
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There are cheap panasonic models too.
Don't know whats so fantastic about Samsung other than its cabinet design.
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QUOTE(Astroranagun @ Mar 15 2009, 03:53 PM)
Oic thanks!! notworthy.gif

Btw with the Dell S2409W 24" how does the HDMI support the audio since the monitor doesnt have speaker....without speaker then even if i insert the external speaker most likely the HD audio will fail due to the HDMI connect to the monitor....is it?  hmm.gif

and one more thing does any monitor or vga box thing able to support component cable? and is there any difference between Dell G2410 24" and Dell S2409W 24"? Thanks!!


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Thanks!! notworthy.gif

But is the BenQ T2200HD  only support up to 1080p and 1900x1080 res or does the 24" dell do so too? blink.gif
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The Dell S2409W has an audio out input, which you can connect directly to your speakers. However, there are issues with the audio fading and fading out. Best would just to be connect your PS3 directly to the monitor via HDMI, then use the A/V audio cable to your speakers. If you have 5.1, use an optical cable if your speaker supports it.

No, majority of monitors does not have component input at all.
VGA boxes usually have inputs for component/composite/s-video, look around.

The Dell G2410 is more expensive than the S2409W, mainly because it is a "green" LCD monitor. Using less power and whatnot.
More info here: http://www.surfloft.com/review/2009/02/del...cd-monitor.html (by me biggrin.gif )

The BenQ T2200HD supports up to 1920x1080 resolution, which is its native resolution. 1080p, just the same like the Dell S2409W.

I forgot to mention there are also alternatives like Viewsonic VX2433WM, selling for about RM750 in LYP. It also has rather good color accuracy, pretty much no input lag and motion blur. The only caveat that I have with it is that it doesn't have all the main 3 inputs I want(VGA, DVI, and HDMI).
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No, not the same thing. A/V cable is the composite cable that comes with the PS3(Yellow, White and Red).

Since you're getting a Z-5500(zomg!! awesome!), you WILL need an optical cable. That is for connecting your PS3 to the Z-5500 speakers, and the HDMI cable from your PS3 to the monitor.
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I think you are mistaken on something. DVI and HDMI are different inputs, DVI doesn't transfer audio. HDMI does.

Also the HD audio you're talking about.... technically there is no such thing as HD audio, its just either called DTS or Dolby Digital. Anyways, fade in and fade out on the sound occurs on anything that is connected through the audio out port of the S2409W.

So you'll need to connect your headphones to your Z-5500 instead.
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I know.

Thing is, it just isn't the right term for it. High Definition sound? Does that even make sense?

Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD are just gimmicks anyway.
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I don't hear much(if any) of a difference from 5.1 and 7.1 to be quite honest... maybe its my ears, but I'm still rather much calling it a gimmick. Higher bitrate it may be, but if it doesn't sound better then its no use.
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QUOTE(iAce @ Mar 24 2009, 03:31 PM)
Hmm got very cheap (CHEAP & Standard LOL) playable LCD Monitor for the PS3. Kinda on Budget around RM300
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QUOTE(aaron_15ryderz @ Mar 25 2009, 12:00 PM)
ya...i'm looking for cheap LCD also...below RM 300 kalau ada...currently using my mom's LCD TV...so limited time to play..
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You might as well pick up a 29" CRT TV for that price.

If you're willing to throw in another RM100, you could get a 19" LCD monitor and play it off then.

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