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post Dec 13 2007, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(singchaii @ Dec 13 2007, 03:50 PM)
nto veyr big la. like your stock carburetor.. Autogen no sell that. Go search at garage sell. Got ppl selling. hehe.
No need la.. just convert to efi. hehe.
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i was thinking the same like urs lol.. mod to EFI then add a ECU then put in TT with a big intercooler.. then mod 4 performance brake disc with performance abs. then my car can fly lol.


Added on December 13, 2007, 3:55 pm
QUOTE(yewwing @ Dec 13 2007, 03:53 PM)
dont know good or not leh after install that weber..?? better use everythings stock la..hehe
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sure good la performance increase FC also increase lol laugh.gif

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post Dec 13 2007, 03:57 PM

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what is ECU? my car got or not ar..hehe noob question
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post Dec 13 2007, 04:04 PM

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ECU is a computer that control many things inside ur car only modern car got it. Our old tech doesnt have that. It control VVTI/VTEC control the EFI
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post Dec 13 2007, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(yewwing @ Dec 13 2007, 03:53 PM)
dont know good or not leh after install that weber..?? better use everythings stock la..hehe
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weber install very good if the tuning is nice. But once tuning lari, habis.. your car will drink petrol like drink water.

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Dec 13 2007, 03:54 PM)
i was thinking the same like urs lol.. mod to EFI then add a ECU then put in TT with a big intercooler.. then mod 4 performance brake disc with performance abs. then my car can fly lol.


Added on December 13, 2007, 3:55 pm
sure good la performance increase FC also increase lol laugh.gif
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Haha.. dun la.. Stick with carb already enough. Easy to maintaince ma. hehe.

QUOTE(yewwing @ Dec 13 2007, 03:57 PM)
what is ECU? my car got or not ar..hehe noob question
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ECU is a device in EFI car which control all the electric stuff.. While our car, our brain is our ECU. hehe..
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post Dec 13 2007, 04:15 PM

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Guys wanna show u all some old clips....



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post Dec 13 2007, 04:45 PM

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sticker how?

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2moro night free?

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post Dec 13 2007, 05:03 PM

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post Dec 13 2007, 05:20 PM

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i think wan find u geh....go for drink.pass u something...& pass thing to our TAIKOR
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post Dec 13 2007, 05:21 PM

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post Dec 13 2007, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Gilbert5107 @ Dec 13 2007, 04:45 PM)
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sticker how?

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2moro night free?
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you asked me how? I thought you going sungai wang there? This week I damn busy la.. I where got free...

@kevin, the video clip damn nice. Jeremy sitting kelisa testing handling just like my car. Fly out to another seat. keke.

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post Dec 13 2007, 05:31 PM

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wahh andy.. you can OT anytime you want?
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post Dec 13 2007, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(firdz @ Dec 13 2007, 09:49 AM)
ic... clutch oil eh..
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clutch got oil??...

QUOTE(singchaii @ Dec 13 2007, 11:07 AM)
Pek corner la.. later end up like this.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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turun longkang naik divider geng??... hmm.gif

QUOTE(dopeisgood @ Dec 13 2007, 11:36 AM)
found sumthg interesting~
CHECK IT OUT!
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haha... anyone interested wanna join my weber clan can get from him....

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Dec 13 2007, 01:25 PM)
Guys who know the price of the caburator of our car? My gf's iswara a/b cabbie spoil already.. the mech say now the mod a bit so that the fuel no need to pass thru cabb anymore  blink.gif is that possible? If wanna replace how much?
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about rm350 for second hand unit...

QUOTE(yewwing @ Dec 13 2007, 02:39 PM)
what is weber? just plug and play thingy?
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weber is a carburetor

QUOTE(yewwing @ Dec 13 2007, 03:09 PM)
is a very big device is it? how much is it for weber? autogen got sell this or not? haha
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it is actually abit smaller in size compare to aisan carb...

QUOTE(yewwing @ Dec 13 2007, 03:53 PM)
dont know good or not leh after install that weber..?? better use everythings stock la..hehe
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i'm using one... u say good or not leh...

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Dec 13 2007, 03:54 PM)
i was thinking the same like urs lol.. mod to EFI then add a ECU then put in TT with a big intercooler.. then mod 4 performance brake disc with performance abs. then my car can fly lol.
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TT??... what TT??... our tiny engine can bolt on twin turbo??... L2 turbine ah??..

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Dec 13 2007, 04:04 PM)
ECU is a computer that control many things inside ur car only modern car got it. Our old tech doesnt have that. It control VVTI/VTEC control the EFI
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ecu dun jz control vvti/vtec lah... sweat.gif
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post Dec 13 2007, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 13 2007, 05:52 PM)
clutch got oil??...
turun longkang naik divider geng??... hmm.gif
haha... anyone interested wanna join my weber clan can get from him....
about rm350 for second hand unit...
weber is a carburetor
it is actually abit smaller in size compare to aisan carb...
i'm using one... u say good or not leh...
TT??... what TT??... our tiny engine can bolt on twin turbo??... L2 turbine ah??..
ecu dun jz control vvti/vtec lah... sweat.gif
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next year fuel increase.. dun wan weber. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Dec 13 2007, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(singchaii @ Dec 13 2007, 06:13 PM)
next year fuel increase.. dun wan weber.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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weber can vr jimat geh... mine with wrong tuning (oversized fuel jet) also can manage 20sen around hilly area... highway lagi superb... icon_idea.gif
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post Dec 13 2007, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 13 2007, 06:16 PM)
weber can vr jimat geh... mine with wrong tuning (oversized fuel jet) also can manage 20sen around hilly area... highway lagi superb... icon_idea.gif
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wrong tuning also can get 20cent per km? Wah.. My normal carb, already 19cent per km. If weber with perfect tuning, 15cent per km? Weber is cheap. But mod the weber tapak expensive. sweat.gif
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post Dec 13 2007, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(kabyss87 @ Dec 13 2007, 03:08 AM)
gd morning everyone!!!!

i wanna be part of the list.. hehe  laugh.gif 

been driving the car since last mth....

just service my lmst last week.. break 1st 1000KM liao..  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

just one question b4 i take the car out for another spin...

izit normal to hit 3000rpm when i top up to 100km/hr? at that rpm still fuel efficient arr?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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you shouldnt be driving at that rpm before 1000km
before that you should keep it below 2500rpm
after the 1000km change can rev but still dont too high
take care of your engine until it wears in...about 5k
then u can drive like normal
and ofcourse high revs and hard driving at any point of the car's life is not good

btw,for a typical iswara gearbox on gear five at 110km/h cranks in at about 3450rpm


Added on December 13, 2007, 7:42 pm
QUOTE(cheeann @ Dec 12 2007, 09:45 PM)
actually welding is better~
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just wondering about the fender bar
if the guy can drill through the metal with a battery powered hand drill, the metal cant be very thick or very hard
so, what kind of force transfer will that point have?
if the bar is a rigid system, then the surrounding metal will be flexing massively and this would be very bad for the car body
the two anchored to the door hinge points are probably abit more robust as they were designed to be anchor points...
but still, their load would be static load, not dynamic load
so the appropriateness of anchoring there is also questionable to a certain extent

im not saying the bar wont make a diff
i dont know and i wont comment on that
but its just that from the looks of it, the car body is going to be massively fatigued (unneccessarily) by the installation of this bar


Added on December 13, 2007, 7:46 pm
QUOTE(andychan @ Dec 13 2007, 07:44 AM)
good morning to all and kabyss87 and sifu sky happy.gif
100kmh all the way will safe fuel more happy.gif just keep your RPM not to high this will safe alot smile.gif

want me add you in the list of member and do you want to join out TT season this sat smile.gif req feedback ASAP. TQ
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the most efficient speed for this car at steady state at gear 5 is between 80 and 90km/h...actual speed, not what is shown on our meters,...use gps or count the distance markers on the highway when at constant speed to know your error...
mine shows 8km under...meaning if its showing 90, im actually doing only 82km/h!

this speed im quoting is not only taking into account the peak power on the power curve of the engine, but also air resistance encountered by the frontal cross section of the car
once the car starts approaching 100 and above, the air resistance gets higher (the increase is non-linear) and thus more power is needed to maintain the speed and efficiency drops


Added on December 13, 2007, 7:53 pm
QUOTE(andychan @ Dec 13 2007, 09:32 AM)
manual car cant check meh? sorry is clutch oil not gear oil tongue.gif


Added on December 13, 2007, 9:38 amcant press clutch, mostly not enough clutch oil, or leaking tongue.gif
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manual cars use DRY clutch
there is no oil in the system
if oil seal from gear box leaks and oil gets onto the clutch plate, the clutch wont catch and u'll get a burning pad even when fully engaged
can be one of two things that the prob
1. clutch cable snapped
2. clutch arm busted
or very unlikely 3. spring plate busted


Added on December 13, 2007, 7:58 pm
QUOTE(dopeisgood @ Dec 13 2007, 11:36 AM)
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CHECK IT OUT!
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thats gona increase your fc
its a double butterfly
the iswara stock carbie uses a linear air flow carburator
the butterfly flap gives a non linear (exponential) air flow increase
the linear air flow carbie is practically a mechanical EFI
next to injection, this is the best
and FYI, with my 6month old 1.3 which hasnt even worn in yet properly, im getting 12.8km/L which works out to 15cents/km
not to mention next year petrol prolly gona be 2.50 or 2.60 per liter
the weber aint gonna help your wallet...


Added on December 13, 2007, 7:59 pm
QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Dec 13 2007, 01:25 PM)
Guys who know the price of the caburator of our car? My gf's iswara a/b cabbie spoil already.. the mech say now the mod a bit so that the fuel no need to pass thru cabb anymore  blink.gif is that possible? If wanna replace how much?
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the only way would be to install an efi system
without that, the fuel will need the carburator to control the flow

This post has been edited by neosaint99: Dec 13 2007, 08:10 PM
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grounding cable got wad effect?
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QUOTE(Gilbert5107 @ Dec 13 2007, 08:02 PM)
neosaint99 speaks all.... notworthy.gif

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grounding cable got wad effect?
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i have yet to find any conclusive evidence on this (either negative or positive)
so far as i can tell at the moment, the verdict is 'no effect on efficiency'
i wont comment on ICE performance or other stuff like that as im not into those things
my no.1 priority is to reduce fuel consumption...and so far the best options i have come up with is good engine tuning, good maintenance, proper driving habits, and most importantly,... a vacuum gauge! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Dec 13 2007, 06:19 PM)
wrong tuning also can get 20cent per km? Wah.. My normal carb, already 19cent per km. If weber with perfect tuning, 15cent per km? Weber is cheap. But mod the weber tapak expensive.  sweat.gif
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perfect tuning i never try before whats the fuel consumption... if i got i also dun need to be in dilemma now... rclxub.gif
fabricate the adaptor can be cheap or expensive.... dcnf is cheap, around 100bucks can get.... mine, dgv, cost about rm180... ramly had to send my carb to machine shop to fabricate the adaptor for me on the spot... sweat.gif

QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Dec 13 2007, 07:38 PM)
just wondering about the fender bar
if the guy can drill through the metal with a battery powered hand drill, the metal cant be very thick or very hard
so, what kind of force transfer will that point have?
if the bar is a rigid system, then the surrounding metal will be flexing massively and this would be very bad for the car body
the two anchored to the door hinge points are probably abit more robust as they were designed to be anchor points...
but still, their load would be static load, not dynamic load
so the appropriateness of anchoring there is also questionable to a certain extent

im not saying the bar wont make a diff
i dont know and i wont comment on that
but its just that from the looks of it, the car body is going to be massively fatigued (unneccessarily) by the installation of this bar


Added on December 13, 2007, 7:58 pm

thats gona increase your fc
its a double butterfly
the iswara stock carbie uses a linear air flow carburator
the butterfly flap gives a non linear (exponential) air flow increase
the linear air flow carbie is practically a mechanical EFI
next to injection, this is the best
and FYI, with my 6month old 1.3 which hasnt even worn in yet properly, im getting 12.8km/L which works out to 15cents/km
not to mention next year petrol prolly gona be 2.50 or 2.60 per liter
the weber aint gonna help your wallet...
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yeap... i read in somewhere before (thanks for reminding me).... those bars actually does increase fatigue on certain parts of ur chassis... although in overall, it improves performance....
i guess the 3rd point doesnt do much in improving handling... someones said before (forgot its drex or khguan), he used 2point and 3point fender bar in his wira before... not much difference....

yeap... weber 32/36 dgv 5a is a progressive carb... its dual barrel, primary and secondary, which opens one at a time... different with dcnf or dcoe where both of their butterfly flap opens together....
well, its this characteristic that fascinates me much about the power delivery.... when the second barrel opens, u can feel an extra surge of power... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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neosaint99 is it manual car dont have clutch oil?
i dono for other car lah but waja i see have it ?

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