1. If the lecturer no quality, less student will go. For eg, SEGi ACCA less student (except for Kwai Fatt)

2. Sunway got prize winner b'cos of student hardworking, not study environment. Some more, part of them will go to KSA/MCO for add tuition or revision class.

3. Up to you, money is from your pocket. None of my biz.

4. I think you never know how difficult to earn money in commercial.

5. Who tell you KSA/MCO less prize winner? Please check with Andrew Pang or Chan Chee Kang.

6. I never said ACCA student can't enjoy study life, just paid too much, 值得吗?

Thanatos, why are you getting so cracked up when carlos is explaining everything in his point of view?

not everyone looks at one thing the same. Carlos is just telling his point of view. actually from what i read from the start of the argument, thanatos, grow up. IRRELEVANT POINT, MERE PERSONAL INSULT
carlos is right, if a student is good he can study anywhere. YES, MIGHT AS WELL DO IT IN A PROPER ENVIRONMENT, NO?

Im a sunway acca student myself aswell, from the way i see things your just immature and doesnt know how hard is it to make money in the real commercial world, u have no knowledge about the real world. so what if your a prize winner? the way you argue keeps me laughing off my pants more than  a spm student trying to sell me his product. you have no practical skill at all. PERSONAL INSULT, WHAT DOES MY SO CALLED LACK OF PERSONAL SKILL HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COLLEGE?

suwnay is not so special, the lectureres are just normal. compared to other college, there is not much different. not everyone is rich, the most important is yourself. your capability to study. BUT BETTER THAN A ROW OF SHOPS AT LEAST. YES, THAT ARGUMENT WORKS EVERYWHERE, SO WHY BOTHER GO TO FIND GOOD LECTURERS IF WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS URSELF?

like that say, you wanna experience everyones life? go beg in the street, its a 'beggar' life. go become prostitute, its a 'prostitute' life.. doesnt make sense to me. your just trying to be normal because in you, your not really confidence about yourself, you are feared that being viewed as a geek or a nerd.  isnt that right?
prize winner right? never lost before? know nothing about losing?.. wait till you get to the real world . i have seen many people like you, all educated but having no practical understanding and cant even understand simple things. I DON'T SEE HOW ME BEING A NERD HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE QUALITY OF THE COLLEGE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ENTIRE EDUCATION PACKAGE, SO THIS IS JUST A PERSONAL INSULT



does world prize winner proves which college have better lecturers? now is this a joke? ACCA students, can compare numbers, cannot compare practical stuff with a more logical view?
so does 8 or 4 world prize winner hold the whole population of acca/cat students?

YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE. YES, WE'RE COMPARING IT FROM PRICE, QUALITY OF LECTURERS, BUT ALSO WE MUST LOOK INTO THE QUALITY OF THE ENVIRONMENT. PRIZEWINNERS, YES, IT ISN'T THAT RELEVANT, BUT IF IT SUCKED SO BAD, WHY GOT PRIZEWINNER?


Shouldnt we thank carlos for giving an alternative to the poorer students? afterall this is a discussion, it doesnt seem to me like your in the marketing department for sunway, thanatos.
i wish everyone the best here. believe in yourself. wherever you go ,you will suceed. if you are capable. doesnt matter what  they say.
afterall thers always the internet to search for.

TELL THAT TO YOURSELF. JUST BECAUSE I AM DEFENDING SUNWAY, I AM WRONG? WHAT? SUDDENLY THERE'S ONLINE CENSORSHIP? SUNWAY IS NOT THAT BAD, AND NEITHER IS KSA/MCO THAT GOOD. DON'T BE SO BIASED

For coolkid: you believe that everything expensive have its value?  starbucks have its value too, from a 0.01 commodity that can sell for rm10.  rightt, its true value, but thats because of its branding, similar to sunway. thats why people profit so much from the stock market .its by ripping off people with expensive stock so that they think the stock is having its real value.

its all about finding its true intrinsic value, not the face value. thats how people earn and how people lose .
this is business.

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Added on April 10, 2008, 12:08 am
i will reply my grandchildren by saying

well i was poor, i didnt have that much money to go college. but looked what grandpa has achieved. i did not go to college like other people, i worked hard, studied part time, doing acca, it was tough, but grandpa never cried, grandpa never whined, grandpa kept fighting. because grandpa was a warrior! rawr!  grandpa didnt had the chance to go to college like other people, but grandpa is happy because he is now hugging his grandchild.

child, never be the sheep. always be the leader. be the leader of the pack. be strong my son. love life with your fullest hearthe and treasure everyone around you (:.
anything to regret? coolkid23 seems like after college, u go work for others, then after that u die. just like everyone else
anything special in ur life to tell ur grandchild?

=/

or u wanna tell ur grandchild.. oh well i had college life!, i joined this club, that club! i knew this particular girl , uhm..college food sux.. oh not to forgettt. i went to the library every night!!! H

why??
because the same reason people would choose sunway...when think of ACCA...
Sunway has been advertising so widely that it injects confidence to d market( we people loo)....especially to outstation students like me....
hostel facility really does help me a lot...as compared to taking ACCA course at other colleges...as im a total stranger to the environment in kl....how would i know wher to stay, wher to get my food, n it might be more safety to stay in campus???  Yes, so blame other colleges for not advertising lor, but just because they advertise, doesn't mean they that bad rite? I think it's very unfair to blanketly accuse sunway of being bad just because it advertises intensively.

and that time, i don;t even know there are other colleges like Kasturi, Mcrorange n FTMS providing quality ACCA tuition....can you imagine the feeling of sitting in the lecture hall, listening to the lectures..but at the end of the clas, it seems to add more confusion to you afta listening to not-so-up-to-standard lectures...soli,i hv to admit this...n to be frank,im not that stupid as well la...lolz...when ask for further explanation for certain confusing topics,normally will b replied," learn later....or explanation that cannot be understood??"what is this ???

Yes, I dunno how many time I repeat this already, Sunway lecturer isn't that up to standard, if lecturer is what is important, go outside. But that doesn't mean Sunway sucks that badly either. And remember, after sittign in Sunway lecturer the first sem, inevitebly, the 2nd lecturer that teaches you will have an advantage because you are exposed to the subject already

n i thought ther will be nice lecture halls...like those advertised on the brochures...
mana tau...u noe i noe la....broken bench oso got...rubbish everywher....

WAHAHA, YEP. Agreed, the lecture halls etc suck. But otherwise, the environment, library (despite slow com), is quite alright, and at least got field, swimming pool etc. You go KL, see you can find or not?

but, as an oustation student, what choice do i hv, except to bear with this imperfection..i really need the hostel...

to be honest as well, i was impressed by the numerous prizewinners produced by sunway...
i thought the quality of the lectures is the main substance and ingredient that yield such brilliant results....
however,again, u know i know la....what is the actual weapon that those oustanding students were born in sunway..
--their past academic records gave more evidence--
and more interesting, some of them were born by 2 fathers( studying at 2 colleges or more).....

I beg to differ. Just as many if not more Straight-A students have failed ACCA, than win prizes. I don't think it holds quite a direct link. They have more talent (and even this is subjective, SPM is a lousy measure of potential), but doesn't mean they will. but frankly, I think the prizewinner issue is just a waste of time, as alot said previously, it's more dependent on the individual than the college, although I feel environment, not just lecturers, has a positive influence.

moreover, sunway is the only institution that provide me with full scholarship for CAT course based on my SPM results...
other institutions do not have such offer.....they only give rebates....or refunds rm100 per A obtained....
den comparing benefit vs cost....i think its more worthy to study in sunway lo...

With scholarship, the gap between the prices isn't that large anymore. So say you spread the entire acca course over the number of papers, cost per paper jsut went down

and now....those are the reasons i chus sunway over other colleges....

in terms of quality... i advise others to go to other colleges..

in terms of convenience....come to sunway....

in terms of money...of cause...outside la....

different ppl have different needs....then as hostel accomodation is my  need, sunway seems to be d best choice....
though nida spend more la....

yes yes yes, everyone's been saying this. quality of lecturers AND cheap, go outside. whole package (with slightly lousier lecturers), come sunway.