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nickisthemost
post Dec 4 2007, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Dec 4 2007, 02:55 PM)
i lol'ed

seriously, u NEED a heart end game, especially when against high hp heroes, and Battle Fury is useless if the other team is a pro, a.k.a they dont stick very close together, i have experimented with alot of builds, and heart is essential!, Void has shitty HP, heart + butter + backtract = GG

and yes, YOU need bashers IF ure against certain heroes (ones that can stun or blink), a.k.a perma basher, its also useful against a pro Troll, dont give him a chance to blind/bash you. MKB because it adds speed, and its chance to do extra damage stacks (read in the dota forums), so u get that extra 100 dmg almost every hit, instead of a critical every 4++ hits.

and again, hyperstone is for the starting of the game, MoM gives u a decent speed boost, yes, but it also increases the damage you take, and with little damage early game...MoM isn't much of a good choice.

lastly, its NOT timestop for god sakes, its Chronosphere!!! get that 5.84c notion out of your head.
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It's pretty rare for me to see FV buying heart, seriously i can time stop and have permanent bash futhermore i can run away with second skill, why need heart ? where u can pump better damage with high agility, cheers happy.gif
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post Dec 4 2007, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Dec 4 2007, 03:07 PM)
It's pretty rare for me to see FV buying heart, seriously i can time stop and have permanent bash futhermore i can run away with second skill, why need heart ? where u can pump better damage with high agility, cheers happy.gif
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its actually depends on the game, if the game have heroes with high damage and hp (and can disable u), u NEED more hp, more so if theyre pros, they will gangbang your ass, with more hp, u survive longer. If its with noobs...well thats a different thing altogether.

there were alot of times (in tournaments) where i survived being gangbanged by 3-5 people, thanks to heart, not to mention getting double kills in the process.
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post Dec 4 2007, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Dec 4 2007, 03:10 PM)
its actually depends on the game, if the game have heroes with high damage and hp (and can disable u), u NEED more hp, more so if theyre pros, they will gangbang your ass, with more hp, u survive longer. If its with noobs...well thats a different thing altogether.

there were alot of times (in tournaments) where i survived being gangbanged by 3-5 people, thanks to heart, not to mention getting double kills in the process.
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yeah, it depend on the game, cheers happy.gif
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post Dec 5 2007, 02:24 AM

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If we're talking about competition then it's a different case. If you're playing with friends ending up buying a heart, you'll probably have problems doing a double kill with the timestop at level 20+ smile.gif

Anyway, there's always a difference in opinion and for that reason, there's always pros and noobs smile.gif I mean, void can get heart and assault too, nothing wrong since more hp and defence is what that person wants, lol.
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post Dec 5 2007, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Dec 4 2007, 02:55 PM)
i lol'ed

seriously, u NEED a heart end game, especially when against high hp heroes, and Battle Fury is useless if the other team is a pro, a.k.a they dont stick very close together, i have experimented with alot of builds, and heart is essential!, Void has shitty HP, heart + butter + backtract = GG

and yes, YOU need bashers IF ure against certain heroes (ones that can stun or blink), a.k.a perma basher, its also useful against a pro Troll, dont give him a chance to blind/bash you. MKB because it adds speed, and its chance to do extra damage stacks (read in the dota forums), so u get that extra 100 dmg almost every hit, instead of a critical every 4++ hits.

and again, hyperstone is for the starting of the game, MoM gives u a decent speed boost, yes, but it also increases the damage you take, and with little damage early game...MoM isn't much of a good choice.

lastly, its NOT timestop for god sakes, its Chronosphere!!! get that 5.84c notion out of your head.
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Void should aim to do as much dmg as possible while Chrono is up,don't think heart particularly helps.Plus having butter + backtrack is pretty crazy itself. And having hp for survival is one method,but I think void should be the kinda hero who kills really fast for survival.
Bashing doesn't stack additively,I think increasing speed to get perma bash is more commonly done.
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post Dec 5 2007, 10:53 AM

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Its actually depends on enemy heroes lineup..
If facing alot of nukers range heroes.. FV will definitely need some hp to survive..

Coz most of the time FV can chronos about 2 heroes but the other 3 heroes outside (if range) can kill FV faster before FV can kill those 2 enemy heroes inside the bubble)

If FV vs enemy hero which got dmg return dmg like Spectre, Visage..NA.. FV oso need some HP oso... if not.. he bash himself to death.

I likes FV...he is a strong end game hero in end game.. HP high at end game also is a plus point.

Spectre oso my fav... her Dispersion is greater than FV Backtracks.. it can avoid dmg and disperse it back to the enemy..
With mantle style, ult... radiance , Burize, Butterfly, HOT, treads.. she is a scary hero at end game.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Dec 5 2007, 08:05 AM)
Void should aim to do as much dmg as possible while Chrono is up,don't think heart particularly helps.Plus having butter + backtrack is pretty crazy itself. And having hp for survival is one method,but I think void should be the kinda hero who kills really fast for survival.
Bashing doesn't stack additively,I think increasing speed to get perma bash is more commonly done.
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post Dec 5 2007, 04:17 PM

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Most damage output while chrono is up = Dagon 800! + normal hit you could actually hit up to 1.2-1.5k worth of damage.. WoW! if they still dont die.. Timewalk and dagon again... another extra 800 ftw! Faceless Void for the win!.. or we could actually go for refresher and timestop twice + dagon twice... wohooO!! dps ftw
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post Dec 5 2007, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Dec 5 2007, 08:05 AM)
Void should aim to do as much dmg as possible while Chrono is up,don't think heart particularly helps.Plus having butter + backtrack is pretty crazy itself. And having hp for survival is one method,but I think void should be the kinda hero who kills really fast for survival.
Bashing doesn't stack additively,I think increasing speed to get perma bash is more commonly done.
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I have the same understanding and agree on this.

Why bother about longer hit points because if we have full damage items, we can already kill 2-3 easily during the chrono. Can the remaining 2-3 enemy heroes kill FV after the chrono when we have time walk and another 4 team members around? smile.gif

Unless we're talking about 1 VS 3 then maybe it makes some sense to get a heart.
If FV doesn't have enough damage, it's a total waste to chrono because:

1. You can't kill the enemy and after that, you'll get killed despite having a heart.
2. You're not a killer and not even a tanker. So what is FV with such setup?

Again, competition tactics is different from our daily play with friends.
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post Dec 5 2007, 07:58 PM

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huskar with 1 assault cuirass,1 battlefly,3 heart of tarassque and 1 armlet of mogewrjytjvw
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post Dec 6 2007, 11:24 AM

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If ur FV only Max dmg item without HP/Life steal item and go against dmg return heroes like Centaur, NA, Spectre which have good decent HP items, you will be killing urself instead.

Even Luna Moonfang crazy ult on Spectre with good HP in close range oso luna will die.. coz all her damage is disperse back to herself. laugh.gif

Yeah.. at end game.. most range heroes item oso have crazy dmg ... POTm, razor .. will kill FV very fast when on the FRENZY or with IAS item butterfly Maelstom, radiance.. etcs.. When FV chronos n try to kill enemy inside.. Razor, potm from outside can kill FV even much faster.

At end game, strong hero will definitely need some lifesteal/hp items, disabler item + all the fuking gay dmg item he can get hold on to be a MONSTER killer.

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Dec 5 2007, 06:57 PM)
I have the same understanding and agree on this.

Why bother about longer hit points because if we have full damage items, we can already kill 2-3 easily during the chrono. Can the remaining 2-3 enemy heroes kill FV after the chrono when we have time walk and another 4 team members around? smile.gif

Unless we're talking about 1 VS 3 then maybe it makes some sense to get a heart.
If FV doesn't have enough damage, it's a total waste to chrono because:

1. You can't kill the enemy and after that, you'll get killed despite having a heart.
2. You're not a killer and not even a tanker. So what is FV with such setup?

Again, competition tactics is different from our daily play with friends.
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The best thing is to try it ourselves smile.gif I've tried it before and if I chrono Spectre or NA, I guarantee they'll be gone in 5 secs with the set of damage items. If both of them are in the chrono, better still - double kill.

Btw, FV is one of my favourite heroes.
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post Dec 7 2007, 03:52 AM

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hahahaha sure La FV!!!!!!!!!
1 Ulti Triple Kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post Dec 9 2007, 05:20 PM

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luna. u just got to agree with it.
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post Dec 11 2007, 04:46 PM

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Hmm.. how can i miss this Hero.. The Wolf Man.. laugh.gif

Nowdays.. seldom c ppl use him liao..

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post Dec 11 2007, 06:03 PM

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ei??? no 1 like magnataur?? he can use ulti suck all ppl in with empower n 2 bf, 1 burize, cuirass, any shoe, heart or refresher i dun care... can kill those not even capable of moving in just a few seconds.. not aiming hero aiming creep for cleaving bonus dmg
dun talk about how to counter this hero i just stat that he can be end hero game also nod.gif
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post Dec 11 2007, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(gaiachronicler @ Dec 11 2007, 06:03 PM)
ei??? no 1 like magnataur?? he can use ulti suck all ppl in with empower n 2 bf, 1 burize, cuirass, any shoe, heart or refresher i dun care... can kill those not even capable of moving in just a few seconds.. not aiming hero aiming creep for cleaving bonus dmg
dun talk about how to counter this hero i just stat that he can be end hero game also nod.gif
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that one is good for 1v5 but 1v1 weak
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I vote for Troll, one of the scariest end game hero. Items>Satanic, Basher X 2, Divine Rapier, Assault Curiass, Boots Of Travell thumbup.gif ..
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post Dec 11 2007, 08:16 PM

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i vote for lord avurnus with 1 assault 1 baterfly and 4 divine rapier he can very strong
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post Dec 11 2007, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Dec 11 2007, 07:40 PM)
that one is good for 1v5 but 1v1 weak
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1v5 already geng but why 1v1 weak??? ur calculation abit wrong ady laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gaiachronicler @ Dec 11 2007, 10:10 PM)
1v5 already geng but why 1v1 weak??? ur calculation abit wrong ady laugh.gif
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