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post Nov 29 2007, 05:27 PM

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I think it'll definitely be Faceless Void and if you have the items, you can make any hero "gg" in 5 seconds (timestop) smile.gif
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post Nov 29 2007, 05:48 PM

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Luna can have the items but once Mr. Void timestop, he can finish Luna within 5 secs.

The thing about timestop is you can hit your opponent but he can't hit you.
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post Nov 29 2007, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Nov 29 2007, 06:12 PM)
with superior skill it isnt that hard to dodge chrono
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It's all about team work and sometimes it's a bit hard to dodge during gang-bang time, stunners that assists, hex/guinsoo, etc.

For the same reason, any hero might easily escape even against the strong luna if they have a dagger.

This is one hero that normally gets banned during competitions.
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post Nov 30 2007, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Nov 30 2007, 12:00 AM)
for me...
faceless void...
MoM plus timestop can pwn hero already.....
but i read some guides, they said they dont suggest Mom....
anyway, does MoM an ideal item for DarkTerror ?
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Of course you need MOM and power treads plus a butterfly. The reason is because you want to hit as many times as you can when you timestop.
Also, having MOM alone isn't enough and you need some damage items like battle fury, buriza, etc
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post Nov 30 2007, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Nov 30 2007, 12:36 AM)
no, do NOT get MoM, get a hyperstone instead, from hyper get butter, 2x basher or 2x MKB (depends on the heroes ure up against), heart (a must if u intend to get double/triple kills).

starting of the game, if u have a hard time farming, get Midas ASAP, trust me, its worth it.
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Why do you need a heart? Not all hero requires regen items and some are pure full damage, like drow ranger.
Your job is to timestop and hit as many times as you can in 5 secs. If you want to double/triple kill, you need battle fury because it'll splash damage.

According to your setup, you probably won't get to kill anyone during end game because:

1. Hyperstone VS Butterfly - Void is an AG hero and butterfly increases it's attack speed dramatically and provides evasion. How can a hyperstone hit faster than a butterfly?
2. 2x basher - Why would you need basher when you timestop? The other party already stopped and can't move
3. 2x MKB - Why waste on the same item? Might as well get a buriza

You calculate the damage from your items and you probably can't even kill a hero with 2000 hit points in 5 secs (Level 3 timestop) smile.gif
Anyway, everyone has their own strategies so it's up to that person.
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post Nov 30 2007, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Nov 30 2007, 09:09 AM)
MoM is good on FV,but can backfire if not used properly. (u have low hp,turn it on and if you get focused fire by ranged dudes u fail to chrono,it becomes a problem,for eg)

Butterfly - I always thought u need this (I still do) but after watchin MYM Pride 7 finals,both teams (using FV once each) seemed to use the same build of Wraiths---> Midas--> BoT --->MKB -----> Buriza (can't remember if both reached here)

MKB over Butter as first major item as it's easier to farm I suppose,and if your job is to hit as much as possible during chrono,MKB is a good item.

But I still like butterfly for him laugh.gif
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Competition is different sometimes because they want to push and win the fastest they can. Plus, it's all about team work and gang bang. Their hero can always combo; like range heroes can hit from outside the timestop.

MOM is good as not only you can hit faster, you can run faster and there's lifesteal biggrin.gif This is one hero that needs full damage, not regen items.
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post Nov 30 2007, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Nov 30 2007, 08:16 PM)
Yeap,agree with you smile.gif

And I disagree with ppl who say end game is all str. Agi and very certain int heroes can be monsters late game as well. Eg : Necro'lic back when his damage return aura thingie was 28%. Ur whole team could be wipped out for focusing fire on him laugh.gif
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Thanks. If AGI hero has the items plus a satanic, they can easily clean sweep.
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post Dec 2 2007, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(d(@@)b @ Nov 30 2007, 11:03 PM)
no need MOM

buy cuirass, deso, butter, burize, battlefury, one thread. enough liao
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This setup is not bad but it would depend on the player. If you get MOM, it's a lot cheaper and you can start killing (MOM + Treads + Hammer).
Hyperstone is good too but it doesn't provide lifesteal but nevertheless, why assault?
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post Dec 3 2007, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(sogoatticus @ Dec 3 2007, 09:45 AM)
all hero can be strong in late game..of coz it depends on the game..if all max items then i think it should be magnus and troll
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Including Goblin Techie? laugh.gif
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post Dec 5 2007, 02:24 AM

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If we're talking about competition then it's a different case. If you're playing with friends ending up buying a heart, you'll probably have problems doing a double kill with the timestop at level 20+ smile.gif

Anyway, there's always a difference in opinion and for that reason, there's always pros and noobs smile.gif I mean, void can get heart and assault too, nothing wrong since more hp and defence is what that person wants, lol.
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post Dec 5 2007, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Dec 5 2007, 08:05 AM)
Void should aim to do as much dmg as possible while Chrono is up,don't think heart particularly helps.Plus having butter + backtrack is pretty crazy itself. And having hp for survival is one method,but I think void should be the kinda hero who kills really fast for survival.
Bashing doesn't stack additively,I think increasing speed to get perma bash is more commonly done.
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I have the same understanding and agree on this.

Why bother about longer hit points because if we have full damage items, we can already kill 2-3 easily during the chrono. Can the remaining 2-3 enemy heroes kill FV after the chrono when we have time walk and another 4 team members around? smile.gif

Unless we're talking about 1 VS 3 then maybe it makes some sense to get a heart.
If FV doesn't have enough damage, it's a total waste to chrono because:

1. You can't kill the enemy and after that, you'll get killed despite having a heart.
2. You're not a killer and not even a tanker. So what is FV with such setup?

Again, competition tactics is different from our daily play with friends.
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post Dec 6 2007, 11:58 AM

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The best thing is to try it ourselves smile.gif I've tried it before and if I chrono Spectre or NA, I guarantee they'll be gone in 5 secs with the set of damage items. If both of them are in the chrono, better still - double kill.

Btw, FV is one of my favourite heroes.

 

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