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 Phenom x3 and x4 now in Malaysia, The new K10

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Laguna
post Jan 14 2008, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 14 2008, 10:52 AM)
Wah lan, serious price ler. Looks like a desperate rush to dump chips. Seriously speaking RM680 (if this price is accurate), this is cheap quad-core processing power ler. Never mind the performance issue unless it really cannot compete with an average Core 2 Duo like E4xxx or E6xxx.

This is really bad for AMD in terms of reputation. New year, new product already got problems. The worst thing is the problem was found late into the supply chain into the customer/retail distribution channel. Then decide to dump them at low cheap price. Good for consumers but never good for AMD.
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hmmm good for consumer better loh better buying power for us smile.gif

intel q6600 is at Rm 915 ........... performance is high but price also is high............

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post Jan 14 2008, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Laguna @ Jan 14 2008, 12:09 PM)
hmmm good for consumer better loh better buying power for us  smile.gif

intel q6600 is at Rm 915 ........... performance is high but price also is high............
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Yeah Q6600 is a little pricey but can use for a longer time. Probably when multi-core processing is a norm.
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post Jan 14 2008, 01:34 PM

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Power comsuption is high too for Q66 icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jan 14 2008, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(-pWs- @ Jan 14 2008, 01:34 PM)
Power comsuption is high too for Q66 icon_rolleyes.gif

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I think this is not a problem since lot of graphic card require high voltage PSU.
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post Jan 15 2008, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Faint @ Jan 14 2008, 02:12 PM)
I think this is not a problem since lot of graphic card require high voltage PSU.
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Yeah agree. A good quality 500-550W real power PSU with enough amperage on the 12V rails should be good. I saw a few forummers strapping 550W PSU on their Q6600s and 8800GTSes. Seems ok to me.
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post Jan 15 2008, 11:10 AM

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it's not about power supply... it's about electricity bill
definitely not good for industrial/business usage
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post Jan 15 2008, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jan 15 2008, 11:10 AM)
it's not about power supply... it's about electricity bill
definitely not good for industrial/business usage
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it not good for 24 hours user also..me alone pc havent included aircone 100-150...
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post Jan 15 2008, 02:32 PM

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then grab a E8400...
lower performance but saves much more $$$
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post Jan 15 2008, 08:45 PM

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Read through all the posts but none posted any benchmarks. Since I still have Phenom 9500 on my hand, I will post some benchmarks for you guys. It's better than keep arguing this and that.

I will post several famous benchmarks such as 3D Mark 06, Super PI, Chess n etc. There are several points that you may notice. I am comparing an OCed Phenom 9500 with OCed 5600 for starters. There will also be a TLB patch enable and disable benchmarks for those waiting for B3. I am using a NON AM2+ motherboard, meaning I cant fully utilize the technology.

Windsor F3 5600+
Clock :3150 MHz (225 X 14) low vcore near default but cant remember
XFX 8800GT 700mhz core/990mhz ram

3DMark Score 11190 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score 5345
HDR/SM3.0 Score 5476
CPU Score 2262
Game Score N/A N/A
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 44.160 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
GT2 - Firefly Forest 44.929 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.707 FPS CPU Tests
CPU2 - Red Valley 1.158 FPS CPU Tests
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 53.270 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 56.251 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests


Agena B2 9500 with TLB patch
Clock : 2508 MHz (228 X 11) default vcore 1.296V
XFX 8800GT 700mhz core/990mhz ram

3DMark Score 10267 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score 3891
HDR/SM3.0 Score 4751
CPU Score 3206
Game Score N/A N/A
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 33.546 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
GT2 - Firefly Forest 31.303 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
CPU1 - Red Valley 1.063 FPS CPU Tests
CPU2 - Red Valley 1.547 FPS CPU Tests
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 52.391 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 42.631 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests

Agena B2 9500 without TLB patch
Clock : 2508 MHz (228 X 11) default vcore 1.296V
XFX 8800GT 700mhz core/990mhz ram

3DMark Score 11414 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score 4584
HDR/SM3.0 Score 5 K
CPU Score 3400
Game Score N/A N/A
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 38.370 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
GT2 - Firefly Forest 38.026 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
CPU1 - Red Valley 1.116 FPS CPU Tests
CPU2 - Red Valley 1.658 FPS CPU Tests
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 53.071 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 49.645 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests

Post pictures later.
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post Jan 16 2008, 10:32 AM

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thanks for posting the benchmarks 9500 losing to 5600
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post Jan 16 2008, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(Laguna @ Jan 16 2008, 10:32 AM)
thanks for posting the benchmarks 9500 losing to 5600
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Not really. CPU Score increase greatly. 5600 running at much higher speed and I think the application not fully using the quad core.
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post Jan 17 2008, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(capriodimitri @ Jan 16 2008, 11:03 AM)
Not really. CPU Score increase greatly. 5600 running at much higher speed and I think the application not fully using the quad core.
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Can o/c'ed 9500 test-play Crysis with better FPS than 5600 o/c'ed?

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post Jan 17 2008, 01:25 PM

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like that.. i no need to hunt the phenom yet..
unless can oc more than 3ghz.. or the price drop to RM400-500..
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post Jan 17 2008, 01:56 PM

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Agena B2 9500 with TLB patch
Clock : 2508 MHz (228 X 11) default vcore 1.296V
XFX 8800GT 700mhz core/990mhz ram

3DMark Score 10267 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score 3891
HDR/SM3.0 Score 4751
CPU Score 3206
Game Score N/A N/A
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 33.546 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
GT2 - Firefly Forest 31.303 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
CPU1 - Red Valley 1.063 FPS CPU Tests
CPU2 - Red Valley 1.547 FPS CPU Tests
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 52.391 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 42.631 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests

phenom bottlenecking 8800gt..
look at the sm 2.0 score.. lesser than my score using x2.. tongue.gif
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post Jan 17 2008, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jan 15 2008, 11:10 AM)
it's not about power supply... it's about electricity bill
definitely not good for industrial/business usage
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True but to a certain extend. The PSU rated at 400W, 500W, 600, 700W, 800W and so on are the capacity it can spit out in DC in which it can convert from AC mains. It does not mean that a 500W PSU is drawing 500W all the time. Thats merely the capacity. If you study the power distribution, it is rated in different amperage at different voltage rails. Don't be fooled. You can't add these like math. Our PC system has different components drawing from different rails. So the load varies depending on usage and the combined ratings will be in effect.

When not playing games and using the system for regular work like surfing, it is only drawing much lesser. Probably to the tunes of 200W. Most of modern CPU, GPU and other components of the system implement idle switching for some form of power savings. When in idle mode, it will switch off or disable most of its silicon section to reduce power and go into a deeper sleep. Processor frequency, FSB, etc all reduce to a lower state to save power. Also with advancement of silicon manufacturing process, CPU and GPUs are drawing lesser power due to reduced processor voltage. It is when you push your system with OC or doing full work load where it will go near the maximum capacity. So our usage of our PC varies from time to time. If you use your PC merely to play games, then consumption will be higher than those who use their PC for general purposes. Also all those idle times will eat into consumption too because it is drawing power but doing nothing.

Again, 500W or 800W or 1kW might sound a lot of power. But that wattage are expressed with respect to 3.3V, 5V and 12V. Our electrical bills are calculated in kW/hr at 240V. So to access the consumption, you should use a power meter between the mains and PSU. Now most modern PSU has some form of power factor corrector so this is not likely a big issue because only up to 20% is lost due to switching losses. If you're drawing 300W of DC12/5/3.3V combined, it is actually taking 360W of DC12/5/3.3. Convert it to power drawn in terms of 240V AC, its likely a smaller number. In the end, safe to say, 1-2 hours of gaming on a high-end rig would end up around RM2 or slightly higher. Sorry only rough estimations because a lot of unknown variables.

Fortunately electricity comes at a fair price. Buying good modern PSU is in fact a good thing. We help save power due to switching losses, reduce feedback electrical noises to TNB, reduce emissions, etc. We're more concern on the efficiency of power generation and its effects to our environment rather than the consumption of it.
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post Jan 18 2008, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(PCchapX @ Jan 17 2008, 01:06 PM)
Can o/c'ed 9500 test-play Crysis with better FPS than 5600 o/c'ed?
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QUOTE(Amal @ Jan 17 2008, 01:56 PM)
Agena B2 9500 with TLB patch
Clock : 2508 MHz (228 X 11) default vcore 1.296V
XFX 8800GT 700mhz core/990mhz ram

3DMark Score 10267 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score 3891
HDR/SM3.0 Score 4751
CPU Score 3206
Game Score N/A N/A
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 33.546 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
GT2 - Firefly Forest 31.303 FPS SM2.0 Graphics Tests
CPU1 - Red Valley 1.063 FPS CPU Tests
CPU2 - Red Valley 1.547 FPS CPU Tests
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 52.391 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 42.631 FPS HDR/SM3.0 Graphics Tests

phenom bottlenecking 8800gt..
look at the sm 2.0 score.. lesser than my score using x2.. tongue.gif
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PCchapX, both benchmark using OCed processor. Both reaching 'near maximum of near default vcore'.

From other benchmarks using 790FX chipset, graphics seem to be on par with CPU speed. Mine most probably because of BIOS which is not fully utilizing the processor. Temperature also not detected properly.
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post Jan 18 2008, 10:06 AM

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let me test it hehe.. joking²
thanks for the sharing though..
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post Jan 18 2008, 11:57 AM

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Hey guys!I got some good news for you guys..But not so good.Have you guys Heard AMD Phenom 9900?Here's some review of it.Although the 9900 Wasnt able to beat Q6750,but it managed to do well on other intel processor.Read all the page to see on benchmarking test on some games.

Source : http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware...ws/phenom_9900/
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post Feb 5 2008, 03:42 PM

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More bad news for phenom - "AMD's High-Performance Phenom Microprocessors Slip into Third Quarter - Rumours"

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/2...er_Rumours.html
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 5 2008, 03:42 PM)
More bad news for phenom - "AMD's High-Performance Phenom Microprocessors Slip into Third Quarter - Rumours"

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/2...er_Rumours.html
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PAGE NOT FOUND...= = ..but seing that,is it another delay?Btw lets hope for a Tri Cores does better. rclxms.gif

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