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killdavid
post Today, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Dec 22 2025, 09:29 AM)
no debt, house and car fully paid off, and around 1 year emergency saving (on par with my nett salary X 8)
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That is too low. In a developed nation, your savings will burn up in 3 months.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Dec 22 2025, 09:24 AM)
To be fair when we started out to work, rm700 savings is alot. It took us years to climb to that number.

First of all many people leave an important info out when they state how much is their target retirement saving.

Do you have a spouse and what is his/her savings ?
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to me fair... your salary also is not fixed through out right...

probably you can afford to save 100-200... when started working..

then throught he years your salary is going to go up and you will eventually be able to pay for 700 but this time you need to chase back maybe additional 100-200 more to bring you back on track... that means practicing delayed gratification.

But people with extra money rather go do something else with it first... buy house, get married before 30, holiday, get/change car... , get new mobile every 1-2 years, get a new gaming rig, gpu, get a nice ps3...












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QUOTE(killdavid @ Dec 22 2025, 09:41 AM)
That is too low. In a developed nation, your savings will burn up in 3 months.
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i see, in what context? as i said, i will only move when get a job there, be an expat first, get a PR, only change nationality later, all these will take several years.

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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Dec 22 2025, 09:44 AM)
i see, in what context? as i said, i will only move when get a job there.
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Developed nations jobs are getting less because their cost is high. If low end jobs, you will compete with migrants. Then your quality of life will be like theirs, and they get gov aid and housing, will you get it ?
Rent in developed nation is damn high, like you pay 1.5k their currency for a studio apt. Young local gen z already complaining they live pay cheque to pay cheque.

You better have high value expertise like a surgeon or nurse degree or something.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Dec 22 2025, 09:49 AM)
Developed nations jobs are getting less because their cost is high. If low end jobs, you will compete with migrants. Then your quality of life will be like theirs, and they get gov aid and housing, will you get it ?
Rent in developed nation is damn high, like you pay 1.5k their currency for a studio apt. Young local gen z already complaining they live pay cheque to pay cheque.

You better have high value expertise like a surgeon or nurse degree or something.
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i just applying the same level as what i am now, i.e.: VP level in financial service sector. smile.gif

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post Today, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Dec 22 2025, 08:02 AM)
Not trying to be rude, I'm not sure if some you guys are exaggerating or being serious but I can understand everyone has their own opinions.  biggrin.gif

The question of how much savings one needs to retire, it will very well depend on the person's requirements and way of living as everyone would have guessed. To me, RM1 million for retirement is already quite sufficient. Of course, if you want to live a more luxurious life, more is required and everyone would want more and the more the merrier. Most middle-oncome earners would not have any issue hitting RM1 million and higher without self-contributing to EPF, and it's the lower income earners who make up the majority in the country will have less.

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My main point is actually about how one should think about the spending power of your targeted savings.

Practically anyone can hit one million, it’s nothing in this day and age, a simple rm1000 monthly contribution for 33 years with an average 5.5% epf dividend and you’ll reach 1mil before 60.

However - thats a 10, 20, 30 years projection of spending power, that 1 million in the next 15 years equals to 500k~ today. So if someone said they’re OK to retire with 1mil, they need to understand if it’s TODAY, right NOW, or do they mean 15years down the road - which would be completely different.

Fresh grad/min wage is a completely different issue altogether. However it is the undisputed fact that the prices if almost everything, including your daily necessities will be again doubled in the coming 15-20years.
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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Dec 22 2025, 12:27 AM)
I hope you guys take into account inflation as well.

2-3 mil is definitely enough to retire today, if you're in the 50s TODAY, nothing luxurious, just very middle-class spendings.

But if you're 40 years old today, and thinking 2-3mil to retire by 55, you're severely underestimating the impact of inflation. 2million TODAY, will feel like 1.1mil 15years down the road, and that's with a very conservative inflation rate. So yes, to retire TODAY, 2-3mil is already a good enough sum.

To retire with 2-3mil in the next 15-20 years... uhh just make sure you've prepared yourself and understand the spending power of 2-3mil in the 15-20years to come.

I still remember, my CKT at foodcourt 15 years ago, in 2010, was just rm4-5. Today? rm10 bucks. That's a whopping double the price.
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Classic case of fear mongering about inflation. You think ppl will put the 2-3M under the pillow or saving account mei. At the very least also in FD which is equal to the inflation rate. Majority will put in investment which will give a better return than the inflation rate. Overtime, the 2-3M will grow even more regardless of inflation.
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post Today, 09:58 AM

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To understand inflation... look at my kepci inflation post... whistling.gif

2-3mil is gonna be nothing in next 20-40 years..

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5519597


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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Dec 22 2025, 09:53 AM)
Classic case of fear mongering about inflation. You think ppl will put the 2-3M under the pillow or saving account mei. At the very least also in FD which is equal to the inflation rate. Majority will put in investment which will give a better return than the inflation rate. Overtime,  the 2-3M will grow even more regardless of inflation.
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Now you’re talking a different thing. What growing money? What putting under pillow? This isn’t about investment or returns, this whole topic is about after you reached your goal of retirement savings and ready to retire.

You need to go to investment topic if you want to learn about growing money.

Point is - if you target to retire with 1million or however much or less, by the next 10, 20, 30 years in the future, you need to think very carefully whats its spending power by then.
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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Dec 22 2025, 09:51 AM)
My main point is actually about how one should think about the spending power of your targeted savings.

Practically anyone can hit one million, it’s nothing in this day and age, a simple rm1000 monthly contribution for 33 years with an average 5.5% epf dividend and you’ll reach 1mil before 60.

However - thats a 10, 20, 30 years projection of spending power, that 1 million in the next 15 years equals to 500k~ today. So if someone said they’re OK to retire with 1mil, they need to understand if it’s TODAY, right NOW, or do they mean 15years down the road - which would be completely different.

Fresh grad/min wage is a completely different issue altogether. However it is the undisputed fact that the prices if almost everything, including your daily necessities will be again doubled in the coming 15-20years.
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Dec 22 2025, 09:53 AM)
Classic case of fear mongering about inflation. You think ppl will put the 2-3M under the pillow or saving account mei. At the very least also in FD which is equal to the inflation rate. Majority will put in investment which will give a better return than the inflation rate. Overtime,  the 2-3M will grow even more regardless of inflation.
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Dec 22 2025, 09:58 AM)
To understand inflation... look at my kepci inflation post... whistling.gif

2-3mil is gonna be nothing in next 20-40 years..

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5519597
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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Dec 22 2025, 10:06 AM)
Now you’re talking a different thing. What growing money? What putting under pillow? This isn’t about investment or returns, this whole topic is about after you reached your goal of retirement savings and ready to retire.

You need to go to investment topic if you want to learn about growing money.

Point is - if you target to retire with 1million or however much or less, by the next 10, 20, 30 years in the future, you need to think very carefully whats its spending power by then.
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i personally think stuff will get out of control later.
M40 will become M20... B40 become B60... everything price go up only...

killdavid
post Today, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(soul78 @ Dec 22 2025, 09:58 AM)
To understand inflation... look at my kepci inflation post... whistling.gif

2-3mil is gonna be nothing in next 20-40 years..

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5519597
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If you retired, the next 20 years, you would count yourself the outlier if you are still out and about eating KFC. Most will be half bed ridden and your living cost goes to paying the nursing home entirely
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post Today, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(soul78 @ Dec 22 2025, 09:58 AM)
To understand inflation... look at my kepci inflation post... whistling.gif

2-3mil is gonna be nothing in next 20-40 years..

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5519597
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Yeap, that’s my point - inflation is something you cannot escape.

I don’t care how rich or how poor a person is, i don’t care how you reach your goal of retiring with 500k or 1mil or 3mil, and i dont care how you invest or whatever.

If someone said they’re gonna retire with their final pot of 1million savings by 55years old, and they’re 40 years old TODAY - it would mean you’re OK to live your whole retirement with how 500k feels TODAY.

Also by the time you retire and you stop contributing and start taking out your capital returns, it’s when inflation will hit EVEN harder as you’ve just lost your hedge against it, and need to live another 5, 10, 15 years before you die.
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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 22 2025, 09:25 AM)
By investment u meant stock investment?
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Anything that yield higher % than EPF.

If you have no time, then stock would be a good choice. But learn before you invest.

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