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 Anyone seeing a psychiatrist/psychologist here?, I'm just curious since I'm the same.

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post Sep 6 2025, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 6 2025, 11:43 AM)
I agree
psychiatrist and certified psychotherapist they do a different job
there's also something like CBT or trauma healing that require deep diving. But I also heard if the patient is very stubborn there's no effective procedure being carried out no matter how professional the therapist is

Only medications are highly recommended for those who have delusion in sightseeing or hearing something out of nowhere
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If a person has a disorder will they give medicine to try or will they talk with you for a long time before deciding to prescribe anything? Must show extreme panic, discomfort or stress only they believe?
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post Sep 6 2025, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 6 2025, 11:43 AM)
I agree
psychiatrist and certified psychotherapist they do a different job
there's also something like CBT or trauma healing that require deep diving. But I also heard if the patient is very stubborn there's no effective procedure being carried out no matter how professional the therapist is

Only medications are highly recommended for those who have delusion in sightseeing or hearing something out of nowhere
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Er, bro better don't spread misinformation if you do not have a deep understanding in how medications work and to whom it should be given to. I don't mean to be rude but this kind of advice can actually prevent people from taking the medication route when they are actually in need of them to get them to a baseline level.

Medication are meant for people with anxiety, depression etc. There are various type of medications that work differently such as SSRIs, mood stabilisers, atypical, SNRIs. Some to tackle symptoms, some to tackle the root cause. Medications however like what another forumer pointed out is not like a flu medicine and not like you get healed within 5-6 sessions. Once a person starts on medication and even if they get better, the process to taper off will take at least 2-3 months per medicine depending on dosage. (Not directed to you but for general forum info).

People with ADHD, depression and anxiety may not have delusion or hearing things out of nowhere. Mainly those with psychotic symptoms have those bro. Psychologist or counselors are no doubt great help for people with trauma, grieft etc. and agree with you that if the patient is stubborn then it won't be an effective treatment for them.

However, people with severe depression and anxiety (without delusions) are highly recommended to go to the medication route. Counselling is a long process and generally requires more than 6 sessions at least to see some results. So supplementing it with medication, helps to either reduce or prevent their symptoms from spiraling down further.

I'm not saying everyone needs to take medication cos it depends on their issues but I'm saying, advising that medication is only highly recommended for a selected small group of people with delusion is rather incorrect advice and may cause more harm. Just my two cents.

This post has been edited by alwy11: Sep 6 2025, 10:10 PM
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post Sep 6 2025, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Aug 29 2025, 09:13 PM)
Trying to get perspective of people around here when it comes to this.
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Yeah. Temaning my closed one for schizophrenia. Hukm. Private side.
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post Sep 6 2025, 10:41 PM

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My loved one has been on medication of 25mg aripropazole. After 1.5 year taking it religious ly, we tot we could reduce the dosage. Went to the doc, roc ok to reduce it to 20mg. 2 months after walla, relapse. Start to hallucinate again. Now push back to 25mg, later go see doc if within 1 week no improvement.
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Sep 6 2025, 10:35 PM)
Yeah. Temaning my closed one for schizophrenia. Hukm. Private side.
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hukm one of the best place as they got plenty of psychiatrists 🤒
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Sep 6 2025, 08:43 PM)
If a person has a disorder will they give medicine to try or will they talk with you for a long time before deciding to prescribe anything? Must show extreme panic, discomfort or stress only they believe?
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Go talk to a therapist first before seeing psychiatrist
a lot of psychiatrist they lack interest to help you heal your case. They want you to keep addicted to medicine
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QUOTE(alwy11 @ Sep 6 2025, 10:02 PM)
Er, bro better don't spread misinformation if you do not have a deep understanding in how medications work and to whom it should be given to. I don't mean to be rude but this kind of advice can actually prevent people from taking the medication route when they are actually in need of them to get them to a baseline level.

Medication are meant for people with anxiety, depression etc. There are various type of medications that work differently such as SSRIs, mood stabilisers, atypical, SNRIs. Some to tackle symptoms, some to tackle the root cause. Medications however like what another forumer pointed out is not like a flu medicine and not like you get healed within 5-6 sessions. Once a person starts on medication and even if they get better, the process to taper off will take at least 2-3 months per medicine depending on dosage. (Not directed to you but for general forum info).

People with ADHD, depression and anxiety may not have delusion or hearing things out of nowhere. Mainly those with psychotic symptoms have those bro. Psychologist or counselors are no doubt great help for people with trauma, grieft etc. and agree with you that if the patient is stubborn then it won't be an effective treatment for them.

However, people with severe depression and anxiety (without delusions) are highly recommended to go to the medication route. Counselling is a long process and generally requires more than 6 sessions at least to see some results. So supplementing it with medication, helps to either reduce or prevent their symptoms from spiraling down further.

I'm not saying everyone needs to take medication cos it depends on their issues but I'm saying, advising that medication is only highly recommended for a selected small group of people with delusion is rather incorrect advice and may cause more harm. Just my two cents.
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Depression usually associate with lack of actions
it doesn't need medication for the most part
like I said, seek a professional talk through the problems rather than just relying on medication
visiting prostitutes or severe spending without control that lead to massive debts are also related to traumas and unresolved issues
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post Sep 7 2025, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 6 2025, 11:41 PM)
Depression usually associate with lack of actions
it doesn't need medication for the most part
like I said, seek a professional talk through the problems rather than just relying on medication
visiting prostitutes or severe spending without control that lead to massive debts are also related to traumas and unresolved issues
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Both psychiatrists and psychologists are medical professionals btw. And not all psychiatrists like to simply just prescribe meds and just earn a quick buck from you. However, like all doctors, accountants etc there are good and bad ones.

Look, you clearly don't have a complete picture of how depression is. You can go re-read your post and mine back again, if you have comprehension issues. And yes, although depression is usually associated with lack of actions, it doesn't mean a person don't need medications for most part.

This part here is again not accurate. Aside from personal experience, the reason why I don't agree is because someone I knew, committed suicide after deciding against medication and just did not pull through solely with counseling/ therapy cos of these false preachings about medications. You can say whatever you want, about what most part etc but don't simply give advice that can prevent other ppl from seeking correct help.

You don't have to play down medications for the wider group if you are pro-therapy. No one is saying therapy is useless. Instead, combined they are the gold standard. You don't have to create a barrier or make medications sound like they are only for a small group of people to take.

Anyway, I'm not trying to simply pick a fight. It's just that having lost someone cos of that mindset is a bit unsettling.


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post Sep 7 2025, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Sep 6 2025, 08:43 PM)
If a person has a disorder will they give medicine to try or will they talk with you for a long time before deciding to prescribe anything? Must show extreme panic, discomfort or stress only they believe?
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It depends on individual case. No one even the psychiatrist can simply made such a decision without seeing the patient first.

My advice is to be honest & tell the psychiatrist how you are feeling, when did you start having negative thoughts, any work family related issues that may be troubling you, etc.

There is no need to act up by showing extreme panic, stress, discomfort. Just be truthful & let the psychiatrist know the details no matter how insignificant it may sound.
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QUOTE(alwy11 @ Sep 7 2025, 01:17 AM)
Both psychiatrists and psychologists are medical professionals btw. And not all psychiatrists like to simply just prescribe meds and just earn a quick buck from you. However, like all doctors, accountants etc there are good and bad ones.

Look, you clearly don't have a complete picture of how depression is. You can go re-read your post and mine back again, if you have comprehension issues.  And yes, although depression is usually associated with lack of actions, it doesn't mean a person don't need medications for most part.

This part here is again not accurate. Aside from personal experience, the reason why I don't agree is because someone I knew, committed suicide after deciding against medication and just did not pull through solely with counseling/ therapy cos of these false preachings about medications. You can say whatever you want, about what most part etc but don't simply give advice that can prevent other ppl from seeking correct help.

You don't have to play down medications for the wider group if you are pro-therapy. No one is saying therapy is useless. Instead, combined they are the gold standard. You don't have to create a barrier or make medications sound like they are only for a small group of people to take.

Anyway, I'm not trying to simply pick a fight. It's just that having lost someone cos of that mindset is a bit unsettling.
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Sorry to.hear.about your.friend. I agree that both medications & therapy are equally important & it's not right to.dismiss medication as money grubbing.

As mentioned, I have ocd & I need to.take meds to.keep.my.ocd.level.managable. otherwise it can get out of control. I also make sure that I get enough rest & don't do any important paperwork when I am very tired so as not to agitate my ocd.

Meds are needed as sometimes the patient's condition can be caused by chemical imbalance in the brain & no amt of counselling will fix that hence it helps stabilise the brain chemistry in my.case made my ocd manageable while.i also.take.care not to agitate it unnecessary.

I can understand why some people.may dislike meds especially if it causes severe side effects hence the reason why they don't take it.if they can. Unfortunately, they are some patients who do need meds regardless so it is wrong to downplay it's importance in a patient's mental wellbeing.



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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Sep 6 2025, 10:41 PM)
My loved one has been on medication of 25mg aripropazole. After 1.5 year taking it religious ly, we tot we could reduce the dosage. Went to the doc, roc ok to reduce it to 20mg. 2 months after walla, relapse. Start to hallucinate again. Now push back to 25mg, later go see doc if within 1 week no improvement.
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Sorry to hear that your wife had a relapse. Unfortunately this type.of situation does happen & main thing is.how.you handle it.

You did nothing wrong & took the correct steps from consulting with doc & then putting her back to original.dosage once the relapse.started & you are monitoring your wife's condition which is good.

The worst are those.that ignore the signs & pretend all is.well like my.aunty/uncle. Instead of making sure the son take his meds In front of.them.

They just say take it at face value they he took his.meds when ask & instead of facing reality that he is not taking & is getting worse. They resort to prayers whenever he has an attack.

I.only see.them at most twice a year in the past & can clearly see.his getting worse, yet the parents gila.have the nerve to say his condition improving.




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QUOTE(arkasi @ Sep 7 2025, 02:44 AM)
I can understand why some people.may dislike meds especially if it causes severe side effects hence the reason why they don't take it.if they can. Unfortunately, they are some patients who do need meds regardless so it is wrong to downplay it's importance in a patient's mental wellbeing.
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I've seen from my relatives that someone had depression for decades and completely relying on medication, and their private life and money management is so fucked up. That's just based on pure observation

Medication can become a grudge for the most part

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 6 2025, 11:41 PM)
Depression usually associate with lack of actions
it doesn't need medication for the most part
like I said, seek a professional talk through the problems rather than just relying on medication
visiting prostitutes or severe spending without control that lead to massive debts are also related to traumas and unresolved issues
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You are so wrong bro.
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post Sep 8 2025, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 6 2025, 11:41 PM)
Depression usually associate with lack of actions
it doesn't need medication for the most part
like I said, seek a professional talk through the problems rather than just relying on medication
visiting prostitutes or severe spending without control that lead to massive debts are also related to traumas and unresolved issues
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my depression isn't the I feel like I got nothing worth living type, it's more of the my brain literally can't connect the joy and satisfaction of accomplishing something with the actions that need to be done before I reach that point. Everyone, my family, my friends keep saying that I'm lazy to no end. I have already talked to the psychiatrist about this the first time around, and I will most likely start my meds in a few months.

Just be honest with them and they will guide you accordingly. They won't impose meds on you unless really needed.
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 7 2025, 06:22 PM)
I've seen from my relatives that someone had depression for decades and completely relying on medication, and their private life and money management is so fucked up. That's just based on pure observation

Medication can become a grudge for the most part
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if your relatives expect meds to be a quick fix then I'm sorry that it doesn't work that way. It's not a magic pill.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Sep 6 2025, 08:43 PM)
If a person has a disorder will they give medicine to try or will they talk with you for a long time before deciding to prescribe anything? Must show extreme panic, discomfort or stress only they believe?
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If you came for an appointment, there will be an extensive discussion on your symptoms, and what you are looking for at the end of the day. Meds are never the start of treatment unless your symptoms warrant it.


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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Sep 8 2025, 01:25 PM)
if your relatives expect meds to be a quick fix then I'm sorry that it doesn't work that way. It's not a magic pill.
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makes me wonder if medication can work forover?

i only depends on adaptogen previously, first few usage can get high, but after that the effectiveness drop macam nothing at all.
yeah i did take those if i felt irritable sometime, it still help though.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 8 2025, 02:06 PM)
makes me wonder if medication can work forover?

i only depends on adaptogen previously, first few usage can get high, but after that the effectiveness drop macam nothing at all.
yeah i did take those if i felt irritable sometime, it still help though.
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honestly i don't expect it to work forever since there is always a chance to develop tolerance, meaning increased dosage over time. You'll definitely have to complement with exercise and healthy lifestyle as well to maximize the benefits.

better some help than nothing at all.
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Sep 8 2025, 01:25 PM)
if your relatives expect meds to be a quick fix then I'm sorry that it doesn't work that way. It's not a magic pill.
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my relative ate it for 20-30 years already
I think they refuse to change la
cannot rely on medication
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QUOTE(TsubakiKira @ Sep 8 2025, 01:22 PM)
. Everyone, my family, my friends keep saying that I'm lazy to no end.
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my parents can also be useless to a certain extent

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