https://siakapkeli.my/2025/08/18/projek-ker...google_vignette

Ticket pricing problem.
Make it cheaper or it becomes white elephant

Rakyat juta2 patut boleh break even kot

HSR cannot be cheaper
if u priced it cheaper, it's gonna be an even worse bailout

like i mentioned many times before, almost no HSR in this world break even...all will need bailout
but malaysians keep wanting it built here

it's a nice thing to have if you have extremely excess amount of money like china

Actually that's abit shocking. Jakarta to Bandung despite how much traffic there is I don't think is as busy as Malaysia Singapore

But the karawang station which serves Cikarang and it's a prime destination for most business visitors opened end last year. They should encourage more visitors to land at Bandung instead of Jakarta and take the HSR and public transport to Cikarang

Ps serve you right Konoha

make ticket cheaper, ROI will be on the 23rd century.

Already discounted!

Ini mcm B40 owning a BMW, beli boleh tetapi tak mampu maintain.
Imagine Java, has a population ~157 million pun unable to support HSR!
Lagi Malaysia/Singapore wants HSR?

Da ckp even in China pop 1.4b & Japan pop 124m, only few HSR lines make profits from ridership!

Revenue will not come from ridership alone. The operator makes money from marketing — advertising on the train as well as commercial operations in and around the stations

About 30-50% revenue come from commercial operations and the development of the areas surrounding the stations.
Example most Japan major HSR stations are also big malls with offices & residential above, mcm mini city.

We all know these endeavors lose money. But why do it in the first place ? To serve people's needs to travel and stimulate economic growth.
If the ticket is expensive, you serve no one and lose money
If ticket is affordable, you serve people and lose money.

So which is the objective?

This post has been edited by killdavid: Aug 21 2025, 07:52 AM

We just need speed of 200km , just right

Faster than Car and Rich Asbon

So people will buy the ticket

120 per way ticket should be reasonable

This post has been edited by GoodBoy2022: Aug 21 2025, 07:53 AM

Neither one - real objective are for kronies.

objective is how rich are you as a country

even in china where some routes doesn't make sense to take plane...dominated by HSR, still can lose money, still need bailout
even in taiwan..this is literally the most successful one i saw, north to south with insane frequency everyday...almost every trip is full, still lose money

so the real question to ask is are you rich enough to keep bailout or not, if the answer is yes...thn build it

Trunk road is free. How much expenses or losses incurred per year?

Billions RM handout to b40 is a losses too.

We are not rich to be able to build, sustain and bail-out HSR.

It's infra meant for public. Why it need to even make profit?


Its like complaining army or KKM is making loss every year.

kesian dumb gov

Sohai
It is a fking public transport

It will gain profits from elsewhere due to its existence. Eg. it could boost tourism of a region. So, this hsr indirectly helps make money in tourism sector

And Shinkansen ticket price in Japan is very expensive. More expensive than flying.

we gonna be next with ECRL

the taiwan shinkansen is making losses.

Now we know why we dont builded it

Owait…

orang lain ada, kita pun mau ada.
ETS kan ada..

our national budget deficit is large.

our tax rates are lowest, only 10% pay taxes

our SST can't do shit.

Petronas revenue down.

you want to add more to the national debt with a HSR ?

sure stimulate economy, but how much revenue in terms of taxes can that bring in? Its difficult to forecast.

Different , gov buy from own GLC in China, left and right pocket, cement and earth and land all owned by government, all the kena tax back

Indonesia different own money pay to foreign country and is not coming back

This post has been edited by GoodBoy2022: Aug 21 2025, 08:28 AM

ECRL dual purpose, as it will also be hauling cargo

Hello friend, we talking about Indonesia case. Already built. So what next ?

because Malaysian wants everything so that can feel like a canggih country mah

friend, ECRL is coming

you don't know that?

ECRL got its own revenue

cargo hauling got its own revenue

Next is become the classic example of pitfalls of HSR, amount of debts expected and what to avoid?

What cargo to and from K&t need train?

Amount spent on subsidy in a year is more than enough to build hsr from Thai border to JB.

It depends. If the loss is due to depreciation, then its not a big issue. Afterall, cost of building HSR is high.

If the loss is due to unable to cover operating cost, then its a bigger structural issue, eg issues with fare structure, inefficient management, organisation fats, etc.

Please give the solution to this conundrum.

If the ticket is expensive, you serve no one and lose money
If ticket is affordable, you serve people and lose money.


When people judge it is more viable to take the bus than ECRL, then what revenue are you making ? Are you serving people or creating more carbon footprint and wasting energy ?

By the time we complete our HSR, human can teleport already

China HSR bailout is even worse. 100 billion yuan losses in just 9 months.
https://asiatimes.com/2025/06/chinas-fast-g...-faces-reality/

The whole total debt is 1 trillion USD.

But as long as wumaos can watch yt videos and squirt they don't care

Public transport usually is loss .

And for the wrong reason too. Many just fantasize that they will be able to live in KL and work in Singapore using HSR as daily commute. That's totally infeasible due to ticket price and immigration queue delay alone. But people just keep dreaming.

What is the point of building it if still have to suffer loss every year later? Are there that many people willing to pay that kind of ticket price to travel while cheaper alternative like bus is available?

Should've just pulled out a calculator before starting the project. I've argued this same point about HSR long ago but I suppose if everyone's good at math, very few will make a living.

Cheaper to go through Singapore than to unload at Kuantan and reload at Port Klang. Whole point of shipping by sea is cheaper, if want faster might as well use plane.

External: China -> Kuantan -> ERCL to Klang Valley
Internal: Klang Valley -> Kelantan & Terengganu without using vans/trucks lalu banjaran titiwangsa

BDO airport sudah kolos. New KJT airport jauhhh

ktmb lose billions without much service.

indo hsr got 31 trip daily per direction.

Kelantan Terengganu market so big?

HSR mostly loss money but gov can earn alot from the economy boom.
last time Western keep use losing money reason to attack china HSR, but China keep building it and now most of the city economy boom.

now western stop attack HSR already, cause no more bullet.
now we start to copy western style to attack HSR which already outdated? lol

lrt also losing money la lmao.. this shud be worse

no money? just tax lah

A wave of protests throughout Indonesia has become one of the most visible tests of President Prabowo Subianto’s administration, with residents railing against steep property tax increases that analysts have linked to budget cuts in Jakarta and heavy-handed local officials.

The largest of these protests involved thousands of residents of Pati, a town in Central Java, who took to the streets on August 13 to protest against a decision by Sudewo, their regent, that increased the urban and rural land and building tax, known as PBB-P2, by a whopping 250 per cent.

The Pati government said the rise was necessary as “it has been 14 years since the last land and building tax increase”. But Pati residents begged to differ.
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/ar...austerity-drive



This post has been edited by Phoenix_KL: Aug 21 2025, 09:16 AM

but they got unlimited package for few days. if you travel intensively for fun then doable. and before price hike mmg one of the best deal or travel around in japan.

Indonesia economy is not booming. The HSR did not cause INdonesia economy to boom.

Why are you guys surprised that it did not make any money.

You guys couldn't predict based on HSR development cost, ticket price, interest payment of the loan?

u expect public transport to make money?

the tar road connecting to your house also making lost because your road tax is not enough to cover the expenses, so why make tar road until your house?

your car can still ride in mud road what right?

sometimes is about convenience and comfort and not everything is about money.

some are for your welfare like your rm 1 klinik kesihatan

This post has been edited by darkterror15: Aug 21 2025, 09:24 AM

in indo hsr case, it bus company complain people shift to hsr despite hsr ticket cost 4x

Infrastructure couldn't be profitable e.g truck road, bridge, etc.

as if inland port charges is free.

Be realistic, how much cargo is moved from train from Penang to kv and JB?

LEL
Western attack coz CCP want to tilt the world influence dominance thru BRI.
Nobody care how you built your infra within your own country.
Anyway....western no need waste their energy coz the karma of BRI already crumble in front of every one and CCP unleash its true nature of BRI.

Taiwan based media cannot read FS.

https://www.crecg.com/zgztywz/core_business...17235087534.pdf

China railways is profitable at least for Fy 23 & 24.



This post has been edited by takbodoh722: Aug 21 2025, 09:31 AM

Ironically KJT is nearer the highway so you beat the jam....but i think damn far from both wosh stations right?

Let Konoha figure it out kek

and look at where KKM is right now
exactly in that situation

same lah...own or different, all making lose...all require bailout

HSR itself is never making money no matter how frequent the trip is per day, how full the train is

2 things that made china different

1. they have excessive amount of money to bailout
2. they needed it for their peak season like CNY...else their transport system would meltdown

Rugi tak pe, janji Ada plojek HSR

look like you still don't understand the logic,
today make baby, tomorrow can born already, the best logic ever.


BRI is progressing, connecting the world, but do the debt also rocket high
but who else will build infra if without BRI?

or prefer forever in old outdated infra?

actually not only peak season,
their HSR station always people mountain people sea, crazy huge when i at there.

so convenient to travel between city now in china.

Didn't you read what I wrote "CCP unleash its true nature of BRI."?

yeah but that "crowd" is nothing compared to CNY or golden week

mahal untuk rakyat dio

we have so many subsidy, we can't afford another HSR burden

that is another level of craziness, i never experience it yet, and don't wish to experience it.

Whoosh halim jakarta station, eventhough about 1 hour from CGK airport - either by road (traffic) or by train (need transfer), still way better than KJT airport.

KJT only got 1 international route - SIN.
Even BDO last time can fly direct from/to KUL.

How to "encourage more visitors to land at Bandung instead of Jakarta" if like that.

To filled cronies & politicians pocket and stimulate their orgasm when they spent people money with their harem
This tge main true objective

Yang untung hanya kontraktor dan kroni

HSR KL-SGP will be different a bit. There's high market or demand for this route, I mean even the Flight rout from KL to SGP is the busiest route in the world.

Got demand with purchase power for HSR, can't say the same for Indonesia one

Whoosh, Southeast Asia’s first high-speed rail, cuts travel time between Jakarta and Bandung to 45 minutes.

Despite its efficiency and over 10 million passengers, Whoosh faces financial losses due to high costs and low ridership.

The government plans to extend Whoosh to Surabaya, but analysts warn about further debt and underutilised infrastructure.


based on cost vs time.... no money take cheaper and longer method

Bus ticket Rp: 80,000
Conventional Train: Rp 150,000

Premium Economy: Rp 300,000 (approximately £15 or €17)
Business Class: Fares are higher than Premium Economy
First Class: Rp 600,000 (approximately £30 or €34)

50 minute by HSR
3 hour by train
5 hour by car/bus

Actually I wouldn't mind trying to take the HSR to cikarang but the last time I went there karawang wasn't up yet.

More for the business visitors that after visiting Bandung head on to cikarang via karawang station

Bandung is popular with Malaysian tourists but scoot flights from Singapore are also full. But they are full of ppl travelling for business and work. Some visit customers in Bandung some head on later to Cikarang. Even with the jam in Bandung and the distance it's actually faster to touch down in BDO and head to cikarang vs Jakarta.

But if the stations in Bandung are in town (never checked yet) then yeah defeat the purpose also. Might as well get on the highway straight

if always pack, sooner or later will price increase to 350,000

It's not to earn money, but to stimulate rural growth and movement of people. If earning profit is the main idea then why do highways have toll exits for middle of nowhere places?

Improved transport connections from KL to Seremban for example made the later and surrounding areas grow tremendously over the years.

Subsidy also slowly being cut down.

If not use the money for HSR, what else are they gonna use it for?

Indonesia different problem... city overcrowding, want citizen to move further away from capital but still can come to work.

Why Malaysia want to build HSR? I dont know to be honest. Something that does not bring economical advantage is just a bottomless pithole. Even the everyday full LRT/MRT also not breakeven.

Its time for a LRT/MRT/whatever from KL to Seremban.

Not KTM because KTM too slow.

Just KL (Putrajaya MRT or Kajang MRT) to Seremban.

this, to think of things like "how much money can it bring" for public infra is stupid

these people are usually the hyperindividualistic type also who will go "the gov shouldnt help poor people, they dont deserve my tax money since they dont know how to work and are useless"

anything within an hour or two is not worth to build a train la.. somemore this is MY.. where everyone is basically too lazy to walk. Have to park in front of station, come out have to have public transport straight.

Strange things is the same people went to Japan and had no problem walking.

This post has been edited by andrekua2: Aug 21 2025, 10:22 AM

Everyone on the MRT/LRT is someone not driving.

Considering we subsiding petrol, someone taking MRT/LRT = someone not using petrol = government saving money.

Maybe still not enough to "break even" but its not nothing. Ten of thousands of people not driving every workday must at least RM40, 50 million saved on subsidy or something.

This post has been edited by gamehype: Aug 21 2025, 10:22 AM

Its just Malaysian attitude if anything... peak hour what also jam, even MRT/LRT/Komuter. Nanti cakap kena jalan pukul 6 jugak... last2 went back to driving.

It's a infrastructure for public good, not meant for profits.

This is bullshido calculation. Haven't count the time needed to get from central Jakarta to the HSR station and then the other side also another LRT ride to get to central Bandung.

Yet MRT and LRT is packed during peak rush hour.

Its a choice for you.

Government subsidize petrol and the roads are even more jam because no MRT/LRT.

Government subidizes petrol and MRT/LRT (but less subsidize less petrol because less people are driving) and the roads are less jam.

How much extra tax did the businesses near the HSR pays?

Its an easier choice now due to RM50 unlimited ride.

connecting MY/ SG (maybe TH later) will help boost tourism too.. you can charge tourist an extra 5-10%, not much, not even enough to help cover the cost but at least it covers some.
and yes, rail service provider if doing it right can earn some from f&B sold on train, advertisements etc.

Yes I’m inside right now the train, sardine pack . Now summer holiday, so pack they even sell standing ticket

This post has been edited by GoodBoy2022: Aug 21 2025, 10:43 AM

False. A majority of them drove to nearby lrt/mrt stations to park before taking lrt/mrt. So still someone is driving.

Malaysia need to shift its capital administration Putrajaya along side private regional business administration to Johor Baharu-Iskandar

No need billions to build useless HSR

Klang valley is already over develop and over population

Klang valley can be use as a education and tourist hub

But klang valley folks need to bite the bullet first

This post has been edited by mac_mac21: Aug 21 2025, 10:46 AM

Different

Papa give money to boy boy and sister and mummy , use garden carrot and onion and soil , the money stays in the family, worse come worse daddy take away boy boy car only. Vs Papa money given to Neighbour

Macam yes

uh oh, got somebody here is saying about building a HSR in Malaysia years ago
"told you so!"

many are built for long-term economic and social benefits, not immediate profits.