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 Indonesia HSR making RM261 million loses in, first half 2025

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hoonanoo
post Aug 21 2025, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Aug 21 2025, 07:40 AM)
Actually that's abit shocking. Jakarta to Bandung despite how much traffic there is I don't think is as busy as Malaysia Singapore

But the karawang station which serves Cikarang and it's a prime destination for most business visitors opened end last year. They should encourage more visitors to land at Bandung instead of Jakarta and take the HSR and public transport to Cikarang

Ps serve you right Konoha
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we gonna be next with ECRL
hoonanoo
post Aug 21 2025, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 21 2025, 07:57 AM)
objective is how rich are you as a country

even in china where some routes doesn't make sense to take plane...dominated by HSR, still can lose money, still need bailout
even in taiwan..this is literally the most successful one i saw, north to south with insane frequency everyday...almost every trip is full, still lose money

so the real question to ask is are you rich enough to keep bailout or not, if the answer is yes...thn build it
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the taiwan shinkansen is making losses.


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post Aug 21 2025, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Aug 21 2025, 07:51 AM)
We all know these endeavors lose money. But why do it in the first place ? To serve people's  needs to travel and stimulate economic growth.
If the ticket is expensive, you serve no one and lose money
If ticket is affordable,  you serve people and lose money.

So which is the objective?
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our national budget deficit is large.

our tax rates are lowest, only 10% pay taxes

our SST can't do shit.

Petronas revenue down.

you want to add more to the national debt with a HSR ?

sure stimulate economy, but how much revenue in terms of taxes can that bring in? Its difficult to forecast.


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post Aug 21 2025, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Aug 21 2025, 08:29 AM)
Hello friend, we talking about Indonesia case. Already built. So what next ?
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friend, ECRL is coming

you don't know that?
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post Aug 21 2025, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Aug 21 2025, 08:28 AM)
ECRL dual purpose, as it will also be hauling cargo
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ECRL got its own revenue

cargo hauling got its own revenue
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post Aug 21 2025, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 21 2025, 08:44 AM)
Amount spent on subsidy in a year is more than enough to build hsr from Thai border to JB.
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we have so many subsidy, we can't afford another HSR burden
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post Aug 21 2025, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Aug 21 2025, 10:16 AM)
Subsidy also slowly being cut down.

If not use the money for HSR, what else are they gonna use it for?
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keep the budget balance clean

use for what?

to keep good credit rating...to get low interest if next time need to do borrowings
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post Aug 21 2025, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Aug 21 2025, 01:55 PM)
Taiwan HSR is always full one
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Taiwan Railway expects to post losses of NT$12bn
Staff writer, with CNA


Taiwan Railway Corp is likely to post losses of NT$12 billion (US$367.31 million) this year, its first year as a state-owned corporation after having been a government agency for many decades.

The projected losses would exceed the company’s estimation of losses of more than NT$7.4 billion and the losses of NT$11.4 billion the former Taiwan Railways Administration (TRA) posted last year.

The company’s core railway business is likely lose NT$13 billion, up NT$379 million year-on-year, Taiwan Railway data showed.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/arc...2/25/2003829087

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post Aug 21 2025, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Aug 21 2025, 02:31 PM)
Use to develop country.
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u look at argentina, lebanon, thailand, bolivia...etc all hv hallmarks of high budget deficit and subsidy issue.

politicians tend to want more voters so they lure them with subsidies.

develop amenities, develop education, develop infrastructure, tend not to bring in voters to select you.

So all monies wasted burn away to subsidy.

this is why nations with meriotacrocies like spore can jump past us, because money is reinvested into development rather than subsidy
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post Aug 22 2025, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Aug 21 2025, 08:19 PM)
This i agree
Subsidy? Every year need to topup
What to see?
If build infra..at least infra usable
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ECRL infra every year have to cover short fall lor

sure ticket not enought to offset costs
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post Aug 22 2025, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Aug 22 2025, 08:57 AM)
?

Since when I say spend money on subsidy?

I already said development. Most people would understand development as building more infrastructure, not subsidy.
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development also must make sure not white elephant development

look at Indo making losses, even Taiwan Shinkansen making losses.

development like HSR if make losses, will burden our budget deficit
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post Aug 24 2025, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Aug 22 2025, 07:48 PM)
Ecrl haven't start already bleeding money from cable theft, lol.
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i rest my case

this is why HSR is a white elephant

every nation wants a rolls royce but can't afford it.


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post Aug 24 2025, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Aug 22 2025, 08:09 PM)
Why CCP don't do any feasibility studies hmm.gif
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everything they do is short term

and the ministries all don't talk to each other

they also have a very top down culture...the down line don't dare to bring up issues, because to do that is like telling the boss to do the work for you.

So in the end, its all self destruction mode.


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post Oct 24 2025, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 24 2025, 04:07 PM)
In China with 1.3billion population, only 5 lines shows profit, the rest bleeding oso.

In Japan, ridership can't even sustain basic operations and maintenence. Their business model is rental of the stations and property along the lines, which is why stations are huge complex with lots of F&B, hotels, offices and supermarkets.

Outside Japan & China, the population is not enough & affluent enough.
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maybe follow south korea, germany and UK model ?

are thier one profitable?

 

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