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gnc88
post Sep 2 2025, 08:12 AM

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One closes, another opens. What I am seeing now are F&B is pivoting towards low-priced buffets, be it bbq, ala-carte, steamboat etc. All sub $30/pax. Always big crowds. Those like Hai Di Lao that charges per dish, very hard to fight. Also a lot of PRC F&B businesses. Otherwise for my wife, who’s a LL herself, she rents to education-related businesses, e.g. child care, tuition. Such businesses always do well and not affected by change of tastebud.
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post Sep 2 2025, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 2 2025, 08:01 AM)
“Rich country” can only afford car meh
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Maybe the rich don't eat in normal fnb but only in high end restaurant.
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post Sep 2 2025, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(samftrmd @ Sep 2 2025, 08:21 AM)
Maybe the rich don't eat in normal fnb but only in high end restaurant.
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Everyday high end meh

Unker also wont everyday eat abalone

Sometimes will find siham 😂
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post Sep 2 2025, 08:39 AM

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Why didnt they bought the unit in the first place?
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post Sep 2 2025, 08:40 AM

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A cup kopi susu $1.20, with roti sekaya $3.50...

How many cup need to sell to coup rental cost of $8000/m..
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post Sep 2 2025, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Aug 15 2025, 08:38 AM)
Well, that also was said many times that this is the Chinese issue- but many bajingan MCA2.0 will vehemently deny this fact, even use fakeass statistics and vague, DEI-like AI bot answers to falsely refuse that we Chinese culturally doing that.

In reality its just chicken or egg question swhere if either the Chinese landlords that raised the prices first or the Chinese end product seller raised prices 1st before either of them raised their prices - hence causing a domino chain effect of inflation.

Its like every half year that end product prices rises, and by start of every year rental price will increase one. These idiots only know how to push the blame to the previous government (despite current ones are doing encouraging this even more) or global export countries in order to mask what we said as culture.
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As if you do not ask nor expect a timely pay raise for yourself.
For one, all cukai pintu, utilities, duty etc were raised exponentially in recent years. You cannot run from the pass down. Get real mate

I did not know only Chinese raised price and not other Indian and melayu businessmen as you claimed here

Now business operators need to buffer-in eventual 29 days closure cost 🫣

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post Sep 2 2025, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 2 2025, 08:37 AM)
Everyday high end meh

Unker also wont everyday eat abalone

Sometimes will find siham 😂
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Do you think bijan eat in normal reataurant majority of his meals or chef Wan type of elite private kitchen.

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post Sep 2 2025, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(samftrmd @ Sep 2 2025, 08:21 AM)
Maybe the rich don't eat in normal fnb but only in high end restaurant.
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There are Michelin star restaurant that close down. Latest casualty is Prive - food so-so, yet expensive. As it is now, the profit is in mass-market affordable food.


QUOTE(Rorschach85 @ Sep 2 2025, 08:39 AM)
Why didnt they bought the unit in the first place?
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It's easier to fork out $10K-20K/mth in rent compare to buying a unit for $2m-$3m. If your business doesn't work, you can exit and cut losses. Plus, some of the shop owners are either government, real estate firms or even family-owned, which was bought many years ago. Rental returns are easily 40-50% of purchase price.

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post Sep 2 2025, 10:12 AM

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Sub par food at sky high prices, justify with high rent and staff salary, not based on demand of course la like this. And if Malaysians so stupid to follow the singkies then if their f&b fail what's so surprising?


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post Sep 2 2025, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(gnc88 @ Sep 2 2025, 09:44 AM)
There are Michelin star restaurant that close down. Latest casualty is Prive - food so-so, yet expensive. As it is now, the profit is in mass-market affordable food.
It's easier to fork out $10K-20K/mth in rent compare to buying a unit for $2m-$3m. If your business doesn't work, you can exit and cut losses. Plus, some of the shop owners are either government, real estate firms or even family-owned, which was bought many years ago. Rental returns are easily 40-50% of purchase price.
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Actually in Singapore is really competitive and cut throat. If your food suck then people will not go and can expect to tutup. I can see a few shops just open then suddenly close.
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post Sep 2 2025, 10:20 AM

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RIP hawker culture.

Msia will be next if we dun safeguard them.
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post Sep 2 2025, 10:27 AM

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When rental increase, they can't just simply increase their price to cover the cost. So really not surprise most of them can't survive.
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QUOTE(bengang15 @ Sep 2 2025, 10:17 AM)
Actually in Singapore is really competitive and cut throat. If your food suck then people will not go and can expect to tutup. I can see a few shops just open then suddenly close.
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Singkie food suda suck. How to even suck below Singkie food standard.






Singkie pipur really have bad taste from the start.







Close up sendiri masak di rumah but buruk bland tasteless cooks, lebey baek makan roti or biskut forever not like Singkiepork ada mamak every street and corner macam di Mahrehsia.
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Aug 15 2025, 08:27 AM)
it's already happening here also... sunway and subang few places i went makan, owner also said rental increased so had to increased the food price, but too high not many would want to frequent the eateries already.

Well landlords wanna make moar, stall owners wanna make moarr... we wanna eat moarr...

end up all lose when the system collapse and reset... then all go back mamak while waiting for everything to cool down back.

There are always T1 mekdi dribers going around who will always be able to afford food at any price even up to 100 per bowl.
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It's high time gov implement rent control. Else this will go overboard and soon everyone will be homeless.
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post Sep 2 2025, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(fu'house @ Sep 2 2025, 10:41 AM)
Singkie food suda suck. How to even suck below Singkie food standard.
Singkie pipur really have bad taste from the start.
Close up sendiri masak di rumah but buruk bland tasteless cooks, lebey baek makan roti or biskut forever not like Singkiepork ada mamak every street and corner macam di Mahrehsia.
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Singapore mamak very little. Hard to find.

But in general food in Singapore a little bland.

Ramly burger is ban. And I got to know why they don't have good fok kin mee (black one) becuase the sauce we use in malaysia is also ban.

However Singapore got pretty good food also. I like their nasi padang.

For sure if you go for high class food like Michelin then cannot fight la.

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post Sep 2 2025, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(samftrmd @ Sep 2 2025, 09:24 AM)
Do you think bijan eat in normal reataurant majority of his meals or chef Wan type of elite private kitchen.
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How many bijan level ppl we have ah?
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post Sep 2 2025, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(fu'house @ Sep 2 2025, 10:41 AM)
Singkie food suda suck. How to even suck below Singkie food standard.
Singkie pipur really have bad taste from the start.
Close up sendiri masak di rumah but buruk bland tasteless cooks, lebey baek makan roti or biskut forever not like Singkiepork ada mamak every street and corner macam di Mahrehsia.
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Nowadays cannot say that anymore, cause most of the chef/cook is from Malaysia laugh.gif
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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 2 2025, 10:55 AM)
How many bijan level ppl we have ah?
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I don't know, but I guess Singapore has a lot.
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post Sep 20 2025, 02:12 AM

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Singapore food suppliers hit by months-long payment delays as F&B crisis deepens
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/compa...ns-4940702.html
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post Sep 21 2025, 08:34 PM

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American tourists say Singapore food is too expensive and 'not for the poor'

On Sept. 11, Pernell posted a video from Newton Food Center captioned: "Singapore got me paying US$35 for food... meanwhile Malaysia got the same vibes for half the price. Which one y'all picking?"

The couple ordered 10 sticks of satay, stir-fried beef, and a large plate of egg fried rice, with the bill coming to about S$45, Asia One reported.
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/travel/food-re...or-4941197.html

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