high rental & operating cost ....
thats why malaysia so many roadside stall .... no rental no tax .... hnnnnnghhhh
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Aug 15 2025, 05:14 PM
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high rental & operating cost ....
thats why malaysia so many roadside stall .... no rental no tax .... hnnnnnghhhh |
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Aug 15 2025, 06:19 PM
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The rental is killing the F&B, just see Hai Di Lao also close down clark quay outlet As i know government punya hawker stall pun can bid until $3-10k depending on location, singapore housing inflation is so freaking high Travis_Bickle liked this post
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Aug 15 2025, 06:21 PM
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Just capitalist at work, F&B is tough to begin with, in SG with the high operational cost (rental & labour) gg ... Malaysia also can see many F&B cafe/ restaurant/ even fast food chain come and go
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Aug 15 2025, 06:23 PM
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no originality. collect all foods from over the world and price it premium. ByteKnight liked this post
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Aug 15 2025, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Aug 15 2025, 08:38 AM) Well, that also was said many times that this is the Chinese issue- but many bajingan MCA2.0 will vehemently deny this fact, even use fakeass statistics and vague, DEI-like AI bot answers to falsely refuse that we Chinese culturally doing that. Daffak, like this oso can simpang to sarahan bajingan cinadapigs? Dude, have you ever considered charging rental fees at them for staying in your head 24/7/365? 🤣🤣🤣In reality its just chicken or egg question swhere if either the Chinese landlords that raised the prices first or the Chinese end product seller raised prices 1st before either of them raised their prices - hence causing a domino chain effect of inflation. Its like every half year that end product prices rises, and by start of every year rental price will increase one. These idiots only know how to push the blame to the previous government (despite current ones are doing encouraging this even more) or global export countries in order to mask what we said as culture. |
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Aug 15 2025, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 15 2025, 06:19 PM) The rental is killing the F&B, just see Hai Di Lao also close down clark quay outlet so ironic when the owners became Singapore richest and bought property.As i know government punya hawker stall pun can bid until $3-10k depending on location, singapore housing inflation is so freaking high |
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Aug 15 2025, 06:33 PM
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AI. Owai wrong topic
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Aug 15 2025, 06:37 PM
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SG F&B prices reli cant make it
it might seem expensive, but actually their rent even more expensive. JB food easily can be similar price , around 80 % of SG price . steam fish in SG dai chow cost only around SGD 20, but in JB order one steam fish at normal non airconditioned dai chow is RM60 and above. but the difference? JB rent , salaries are way cheaper. so theyre paying rent and salary at 30-50% but charging at 80% of SG price. singaporean come to JB got mindset of whatever must be cheap , so they willingly spend in JB ... sometimes dun even know that the price is just slightly cheaper.... or actually even more expensive. but with that mindset, they splurge , because already set in their mind today i go in JB i go money changer exchange SGD 500 to MYR 1500+ , must spend it all. This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Aug 15 2025, 06:40 PM |
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Aug 15 2025, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 15 2025, 06:19 PM) The rental is killing the F&B, just see Hai Di Lao also close down clark quay outlet singapore hawker, one bowl sell 4 to 5 dollars, rent 3-10kAs i know government punya hawker stall pun can bid until $3-10k depending on location, singapore housing inflation is so freaking high JB hawker, one bowl sell rm7 to rm13, rent 3-10k (overestimation to make it "fair") which one win? This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Aug 15 2025, 06:45 PM |
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Aug 15 2025, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Aug 15 2025, 08:45 AM) lol , thats funny. a lot of sinkapo ppl are landlordswhen they landlord, they have no problem charging a lot for one bed space etc. then when a meal is $3 to $5, they make noise. guess how the prices rise....... This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Aug 15 2025, 06:49 PM |
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Aug 15 2025, 06:57 PM
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better become cleaner. guaranteed 1 mth bonus
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Aug 15 2025, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(Lazyguy1337 @ Aug 15 2025, 06:21 PM) Just capitalist at work, F&B is tough to begin with, in SG with the high operational cost (rental & labour) gg ... Malaysia also can see many F&B cafe/ restaurant/ even fast food chain come and go Even the existing hawker also cannot tahan at Singapore, just see how many F&B closed down compare to JB side. QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Aug 15 2025, 06:31 PM) Too much of money flowing into Singapore, until recently my auntie saw angmoh expatriate appear in/out at her HDB condo last year, private side condo rental increase is freaking highQUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Aug 15 2025, 06:44 PM) singapore hawker, one bowl sell 4 to 5 dollars, rent 3-10k Sorry if hawker rent from government at $3k, cannot hire foreigners, must hire singaporean or PR. Short of manpower also killing them and they can't produce much, most of it hire one staff or one leg kick type of hawker. That's why the normal kopitiam is charging $8-10k per stall and able to hire Malaysian to work, in order to speed up the process. JB hawker, one bowl sell rm7 to rm13, rent 3-10k (overestimation to make it "fair") which one win? Plus their gas has increase by 140%, Malaysia still can use the subsidize gas at RM28 for 14kg. Malaysia still can use foreign workers with about RM2k+ salary, Singapore one they limit the foreigners working permit. Now Singapore is hoping RTS to build asap to export their property inflation into JB, once this RTS out, those F&B and service sector in singapore confirm lagi jialat, they will cross to JB and spend money there more often. |
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Aug 15 2025, 07:00 PM
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let me guess, greedy landlords right? billylks liked this post
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Aug 15 2025, 07:06 PM
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delivery also dying
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Aug 15 2025, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 15 2025, 06:59 PM) Even the existing hawker also cannot tahan at Singapore, just see how many F&B closed down compare to JB side. actually my thinking is , once RTS up, initially the service and F&B sector will be hitToo much of money flowing into Singapore, until recently my auntie saw angmoh expatriate appear in/out at her HDB condo last year, private side condo rental increase is freaking high Sorry if hawker rent from government at $3k, cannot hire foreigners, must hire singaporean or PR. Short of manpower also killing them and they can't produce much, most of it hire one staff or one leg kick type of hawker. That's why the normal kopitiam is charging $8-10k per stall and able to hire Malaysian to work, in order to speed up the process. Plus their gas has increase by 140%, Malaysia still can use the subsidize gas at RM28 for 14kg. Malaysia still can use foreign workers with about RM2k+ salary, Singapore one they limit the foreigners working permit. Now Singapore is hoping RTS to build asap to export their property inflation into JB, once this RTS out, those F&B and service sector in singapore confirm lagi jialat, they will cross to JB and spend money there more often. then business start not renting properties landlord start to pee in their pants coz need to service loans but no rental income coming in then by default the rent will come down btw how come stals are able to hire malaysian to work alongside 1 local boss? i tot need to hire 2 locals for 1 malaysian? This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Aug 15 2025, 07:10 PM |
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Aug 15 2025, 07:29 PM
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Same money cannot fill tummy.
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Aug 15 2025, 07:09 PM) actually my thinking is , once RTS up, initially the service and F&B sector will be hit Yes u are right, 2 local staff = 1 working permit quota. But for one singapore boss can hire only 1 working permit workers. then business start not renting properties landlord start to pee in their pants coz need to service loans but no rental income coming in then by default the rent will come down btw how come stals are able to hire malaysian to work alongside 1 local boss? i tot need to hire 2 locals for 1 malaysian? Partially also because Singapore tighten their immigrant rules just to protect the singapore citizen, end up the salary inflation hit them too, chicken and egg problem. Back in year 2022 when Malaysia bukake, shortage of workers until salary spike up so high. Now everything stabilize with the influx of foreign workers. |
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QUOTE(jay @ Aug 15 2025, 08:57 AM) went to Clarke Quay singapore the tourist food street damn topkek u can order any kind of food western/chinese/japanese/mamak from same shop but then they will sub the order from other shop and u have to wait because they bring the food from other shop, but they make it like their shop cook the food, still u can tell the fakeness because how can a ramen shop sell mamak food, the kitchen must be havoc Kek. QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 15 2025, 06:59 PM) Even the existing hawker also cannot tahan at Singapore, just see how many F&B closed down compare to JB side. RTS = GG sg locals.Too much of money flowing into Singapore, until recently my auntie saw angmoh expatriate appear in/out at her HDB condo last year, private side condo rental increase is freaking high Sorry if hawker rent from government at $3k, cannot hire foreigners, must hire singaporean or PR. Short of manpower also killing them and they can't produce much, most of it hire one staff or one leg kick type of hawker. That's why the normal kopitiam is charging $8-10k per stall and able to hire Malaysian to work, in order to speed up the process. Plus their gas has increase by 140%, Malaysia still can use the subsidize gas at RM28 for 14kg. Malaysia still can use foreign workers with about RM2k+ salary, Singapore one they limit the foreigners working permit. Now Singapore is hoping RTS to build asap to export their property inflation into JB, once this RTS out, those F&B and service sector in singapore confirm lagi jialat, they will cross to JB and spend money there more often. |
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For every F&B business that closes in sinkieland, another opens.
F&B is fairly structured. 120 hawker centres (and new ones open with new HDB estates). Rest are restaurants either at certain popular locations or at malls. Imagine 1 hour waiting time for Chagee which is common at popular malls. Its really dependent on location and trends. Holland V used to be very popular in the past, now tastebuds shift elsewhere. |
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