Car value Loan balance
Year 0: RM149,800 RM149,800
Year 1: RM100,000 RM134,700
Year 2: RM78,000 Rm119,300
Year 3: RM54,000 RM103,500
Year 4: RM38,000 RM87,000
Year 5: RM30,000 RM71,000
After sell EV still owe bank lots of money
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Using BYD Atto 3 take 9 Year Full Loan (0 deposit) & 2.8% interest
Car value Loan balance Year 0: RM149,800 RM149,800 Year 1: RM100,000 RM134,700 Year 2: RM78,000 Rm119,300 Year 3: RM54,000 RM103,500 Year 4: RM38,000 RM87,000 Year 5: RM30,000 RM71,000 |
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Whoever need more than 5 year HP to buy a car = cannot afford the car. Plain & simple. HolyCooler, SiakapRM1000, and 56 others liked this post
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 02:55 PM) only fools will take 9 year loan to buy EV carshows the person does not understand the concept of EV car. if can't afford EV car, should not buy. SiakapRM1000, fatman_xing, and 8 others liked this post
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is this new? or he must be a stupid SiakapRM1000 and kllonely1 liked this post
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ev u also ready save up on the petrol, so u must lose something in the long run.
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 02:55 PM) More than 80% car buyers do tht |
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expecting profit?
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 15 2025, 02:50 PM) Using BYD Atto 3 take 9 Year Full Loan (0 deposit) & 2.8% interest Any car regardless ICE or EV, if take full loan 9 year sure will have balance loan till year 7 atleast. this is not an EV thing. its the way the loan is struturedCar value Loan balance Year 0: RM149,800 RM149,800 Year 1: RM100,000 RM134,700 Year 2: RM78,000 Rm119,300 Year 3: RM54,000 RM103,500 Year 4: RM38,000 RM87,000 Year 5: RM30,000 RM71,000 This post has been edited by Anubis77: Jun 15 2025, 03:07 PM lolzcalvin, Jasper__theghost, and 2 others liked this post
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9 years is actually okay for a finance savvy person when the cash you saved is invested and you make sure the returns per annum are more than the interest of the loan, at the end of the tenure you use whatever you generated to pay off the car or used in an emergency.
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First time seeing people buying new car just to profit by reselling
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Buy car but thought it is an investment... Topkek
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If you start as fresh, its forgivable to have 9 years loan. If you work like horse and still buying new car with 9 years loan, then you should jump 14th floor when need to sell car for emergency funds. stanck, SYAMiLLiON, and 1 other liked this post
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 15 2025, 03:06 PM) 9 years is actually okay for a finance savvy person when the cash you saved is invested and you make sure the returns per annum are more than the interest of the loan, at the end of the tenure you use whatever you generated to pay off the car or used in an emergency. This is provided that you have the full car price in cash savings in the first place. otherwise you will always be in deficit. no?Then again how many Malaysians here are financial savvy cempedaklife liked this post
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If they can afford >100k car Sure they can tahan all these depreciation anakkk liked this post
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Insurance kan ada ?
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Those who like to take full loan should realize they either pay up when they buy the car or later when they sell the car.
I always have idiots come to us and say they want full loan but want the installment at certain "affordable" amount. How much loan you take divided by how many months of installment will determine your monthly installment. I don't understand why they cannot understand that. That is called financial illiteracy I guess. |
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QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jun 15 2025, 03:04 PM) Nobody is expecting profit. But everyone is expecting to at least cover the balance of the loan. lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 02:55 PM) You are totally missing the pointIt doesnt matter if u take 5 year loan or 9 year loan. If you dont care about resale value, this is what happens, u lose alot of money. Buying a China EV means you dont care about RV. Whether you take 5 year or 9 year loan, u still lose a shit ton of money with china evs Thats why when ppl say buy cars with high RV, got reason one. This post has been edited by sexysarah1992: Jun 15 2025, 03:21 PM SYAMiLLiON, masaka90, and 2 others liked this post
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 15 2025, 03:06 PM) 9 years is actually okay for a finance savvy person when the cash you saved is invested and you make sure the returns per annum are more than the interest of the loan, at the end of the tenure you use whatever you generated to pay off the car or used in an emergency. We use 2.8%pa as HP interest rate for reference. Then again how many Malaysians here are financial savvy After 9 years of repayment, the effective interest rate is actually 5.15%pa. So if one can constantly get 6% return pa from the cash he saved, that's only 0.85% of gain. When EPF also cannot guarantee min 6% over a 9 year span. |
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 02:55 PM) rule of thumb danabu liked this post
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Beli kereta sebab kami nak enjoy. Mantap.
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Who ask you no buy cash?
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QUOTE(anakkk @ Jun 15 2025, 03:29 PM) but that brake issue owner still need to settle his loan kan, byd wont settle his loan, but pay him a lump sum, whatever interest on the loan he has to clear by himself The details I don't know but the way the owner framed it or BYD framed it, it sure sounds like BYD is settling the amount with the financier directly for the buy back. |
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i dont understand the argument that after u sell the car u still have to topup to pay loan it's simple maths, depreciation over time vs amount paid over time plus interest over time i mean, duh, u r stretching it up to 9 years, if it's the same as 5 years loan then why dun everyone max out loan duration plus since when anyone ever promise that if u sell something u will have extra cash in hand after paying off loan? This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Jun 15 2025, 04:12 PM danabu liked this post
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 15 2025, 03:26 PM) In /k also got many of such talks like 'buy car why see rv', 'if i wan rv i wont buy car', 'only sohai see rv when buy car', 'buy car must see driver feel, not rv' and etc. All full of cocks until they themselves kena lowball when want sell their car, then come /k cry father mother Optizorb, H3artBreakKid, and 1 other liked this post
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The resale value is real? As in I can buy a 3 year old atto 3 for 54k? The new atto is 120k+. 6 yrs warranty. 8 yrs free service. I will definitely wan to buy a 3year atto at 54k . OneBuck liked this post
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Jun 15 2025, 04:11 PM) i dont understand the argument that after u sell the car u still have to topup to pay loan There are stories from the internet that claim you can keep changing car by trading in car after x year with 9 years loan.it's simple maths, depreciation over time vs amount paid over time plus interest over time i mean, duh, u r stretching it up to 9 years, if it's the same as 5 years loan then why dun everyone max out loan duration plus since when anyone ever promise that if u sell something u will have extra cash in hand after paying off loan? |
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so they say EV are like smartphones, use and dump.
first time I learn that emergency fund comes from selling a car. |
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Unless you have the mindset of buying a car and can accept full depreciation value like one of our forummer Boy96, then EV is definitely not for you. If you noticed our friend here buys all the "cold" cars like Ford and VW and yes the mentioned BYD Atto. Basically he doesn't mind the depreciation that comes with it.
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Full loan + 9year ... congrats, ur life achivement is unlock.
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effective interest rate is ~5.15%pa; depreciation ~10%pa; how to level up ? smallcrab liked this post
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Jalan kaki dan naik bas sajalah.....jimat giler!!!!!
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 02:55 PM) my first car citytake 9 years loan until year 7 i kenot afford ad sell it and buy civic, loan balance 18k, sold it at 35k continue 9 years loan again kens88` liked this post
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Were they expecting that they would be selling the car at a higher price than the price they bought it for? This is the delusion that EV owners are facing. They think that buying an EV = higher status, higher caste, gives them the edge over non-EVs. They continuously paint themselves as higher status where, if a property has an EV charger = higher status property, and thus would reel in more expensive clients, and/or upgrade the prop as higher standards. Fact is, it's just like every other salesman out there, pakai air liur cakap. No scientific data to back up such claim, nor is there anything proven by data. Most EV owners are delusional, syiok sendiri, and feels and thinks highly of themselves, padahal they are only driving an enlarged battery-powered toy car with degrading battery life over time. dickybird and lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(Najibaik @ Jun 15 2025, 05:10 PM) my first car city Best. take 9 years loan until year 7 i kenot afford ad sell it and buy civic, loan balance 18k, sold it at 35k continue 9 years loan again Banks & their shareholders love ppl like u. H3artBreakKid liked this post
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Kan dah kata, "EV is a CCP China money scam." Seems some CCP lovers in /k are T20 and do not mind being scammed by CCP China = their motherland(.?), eg even if CCP China EV cars have no RV, CCP China phones have no quality, etc . |
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Head no big, no wear big hat, buy 2nd hand BYD atto 3 lah. Buy 1 year old atto 3 already saves RM50k. 2 year old at half price.
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Jun 15 2025, 05:12 PM) Were they expecting that they would be selling the car at a higher price than the price they bought it for? Why ev is higher status? So cheap and better specs than ICE carThis is the delusion that EV owners are facing. They think that buying an EV = higher status, higher caste, gives them the edge over non-EVs. They continuously paint themselves as higher status where, if a property has an EV charger = higher status property, and thus would reel in more expensive clients, and/or upgrade the prop as higher standards. Fact is, it's just like every other salesman out there, pakai air liur cakap. No scientific data to back up such claim, nor is there anything proven by data. Most EV owners are delusional, syiok sendiri, and feels and thinks highly of themselves, padahal they are only driving an enlarged battery-powered toy car with degrading battery life over time. |
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If need more than 5 years loan, better buy cheaper more affordable car. Live within your means lah.
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Jun 15 2025, 05:12 PM) Were they expecting that they would be selling the car at a higher price than the price they bought it for? Delulu soya lanjiao and some in /k maintain you no buy ev you still stupid.This is the delusion that EV owners are facing. They think that buying an EV = higher status, higher caste, gives them the edge over non-EVs. They continuously paint themselves as higher status where, if a property has an EV charger = higher status property, and thus would reel in more expensive clients, and/or upgrade the prop as higher standards. Fact is, it's just like every other salesman out there, pakai air liur cakap. No scientific data to back up such claim, nor is there anything proven by data. Most EV owners are delusional, syiok sendiri, and feels and thinks highly of themselves, padahal they are only driving an enlarged battery-powered toy car with degrading battery life over time. This post has been edited by dickybird: Jun 15 2025, 05:48 PM lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jun 15 2025, 04:39 PM) Unless you have the mindset of buying a car and can accept full depreciation value like one of our forummer Boy96, then EV is definitely not for you. If you noticed our friend here buys all the "cold" cars like Ford and VW and yes the mentioned BYD Atto. Basically he doesn't mind the depreciation that comes with it. Boy96 betul ke you are financially irresponsible when buying carsThis post has been edited by knwong: Jun 15 2025, 05:53 PM |
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Wisdom /k ayam once say
Gross salary x 12 months = car u can buy base on the total amount gross salary annually. |
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Why they don't buy cash?
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jun 15 2025, 04:39 PM) Unless you have the mindset of buying a car and can accept full depreciation value like one of our forummer Boy96, then EV is definitely not for you. If you noticed our friend here buys all the "cold" cars like Ford and VW and yes the mentioned BYD Atto. Basically he doesn't mind the depreciation that comes with it. Pijot also, and he complained his "cold" cars often broke down and their repair costs very high. Hence he changed to EV car.. QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jun 15 2025, 05:58 PM) Will you be able to keep your BYD Atto 3 for >10 years.? - because got CCP China news reports that some BYD EV cars have battery degradtion of about 5% or more per year (indicated by shortening maximum range) but BYD China refused to honor their battery warranty........ IOW, "pakai buang" like CCP China smartphones. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jun 15 2025, 06:16 PM |
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QUOTE(kons @ Jun 15 2025, 02:59 PM) My petrol usage in kuching per week. Myr 60 half tank fill. That's how little I drive in this city.60 x 4 weeks = 240 myr 240 myr x 12 months. 2880 myr per annum. Battery life of byd? This is the following from other thread BYD Atto 3: RM22,835 total cost, or RM3,262 per year on average Chery Omoda E5: RM23,031 total cost, or RM3,290 per year on average GWM Ora Good Cat 500 Ultra: RM18,047 total cost, or RM2,578 per year on average BYD Seal Performance: RM31,148 total cost, or RM4,450 per year on average In short.... Ice still wins with petrol subsidy. Only change when goverment remove subsidy lurkingaround liked this post
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EV cannot take 9 year loan la. Max also 3 years only. Why? Super lousy RV that's why. Heck, even Peugeot with 5 year loan even worth it.
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 15 2025, 05:51 PM) Not financially irresponsible la... Meaning he can afford to lose money on depreciation. Most conti owners already expected that already when they opt to buy such cars.It's only the Toyodah and Hundah, Protua, Potong owners make such fuss when trying to upgrade their car and themselves. Lol. |
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QUOTE(djlake @ Jun 15 2025, 05:52 PM) Financial products like trust fund needs to come with y-o-y projected value in their brochure. Can get gomen same pass law for car brochure![]() djlake liked this post
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Ada gaya ada amoi.
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Jun 15 2025, 06:43 PM
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Wait, why you take 9 years loan if you planning to sell it before 9 years?
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Jun 15 2025, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jun 15 2025, 06:38 PM) Not financially irresponsible la... Meaning he can afford to lose money on depreciation. Most conti owners already expected that already when they opt to buy such cars. I bought my Plotong years ago expecting it to be used way after it's been paid fully because that's how my late dad and mom would do it. When I moved to KL I was shocked about people buying car only looking for resale valueIt's only the Toyodah and Hundah, Protua, Potong owners make such fuss when trying to upgrade their car and themselves. Lol. |
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Jun 15 2025, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 15 2025, 03:06 PM) 9 years is actually okay for a finance savvy person when the cash you saved is invested and you make sure the returns per annum are more than the interest of the loan, at the end of the tenure you use whatever you generated to pay off the car or used in an emergency. take public transport la, all in buttcoinThen again how many Malaysians here are financial savvy |
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Jun 15 2025, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jun 15 2025, 06:43 PM) I bought my Plotong years ago expecting it to be used way after it's been paid fully because that's how my late dad and mom would do it. When I moved to KL I was shocked about people buying car only looking for resale value Financially failed people always deceived by the marketing seller. |
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Jun 15 2025, 06:45 PM
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Thought need to settle the loan before able to sell the car with proper transfer of owner? Why still owe the bank after selling?
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Jun 15 2025, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jun 15 2025, 06:43 PM) I bought my Plotong years ago expecting it to be used way after it's been paid fully because that's how my late dad and mom would do it. When I moved to KL I was shocked about people buying car only looking for resale value Because 90% of car owners look at how much their current car can be traded in so that the money can be used for the downpayment of their new car.Some who owed the banks more than the trade in values of their cars would even ask us to do overloan on their new cars so that they can cover their current car loans. |
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Jun 15 2025, 06:50 PM
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with the lorry and bus on killing spree, /k please suggest a reliable and can take on the crash or even jump into parit - 90% survival.
any model below 30k please. or else cant really blame all of us for suffering in car loans. |
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Jun 15 2025, 06:52 PM
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rule numbar 1
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Jun 15 2025, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 15 2025, 05:51 PM) That fella i think many years back in /k, he got show a full stack of cash worth 1 million on the table inside a petrol station. he owns a a few petrol station iinm. Also his tv and his stereo set up that room itself 500k above. Kan? Damn young summore. That photo went viral in /k wei |
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Jun 15 2025, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(Pain 9000 @ Jun 15 2025, 06:50 PM) with the lorry and bus on killing spree, /k please suggest a reliable and can take on the crash or even jump into parit - 90% survival. Preve or Suprima, i think they are even safer than newer geely model, else, Volvo V40 or S60any model below 30k please. or else cant really blame all of us for suffering in car loans. Last time got people drive 180km/h the car rolled and jatuh from jambatan, driver came out scratchless This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 15 2025, 06:57 PM |
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Jun 15 2025, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE(Pain 9000 @ Jun 15 2025, 06:55 PM) That fella i think many years back in /k, he got show a full stack of cash worth 1 million on the table inside a petrol station. he owns a a few petrol station iinm. Also his tv and his stereo set up that room itself 500k above. Kan? Damn young summore. That photo went viral in /k wei Oi that one flizzardo petrol station ownerThis post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 15 2025, 07:00 PM |
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Jun 15 2025, 07:00 PM
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He must be a ptptn defaulter
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Jun 15 2025, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(Pain 9000 @ Jun 15 2025, 06:55 PM) That fella i think many years back in /k, he got show a full stack of cash worth 1 million on the table inside a petrol station. he owns a a few petrol station iinm. Also his tv and his stereo set up that room itself 500k above. Kan? Damn young summore. That photo went viral in /k wei Ya ke? Usually people who like showing off won’t buy those boring cars and complaint maintenance leh… |
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Jun 15 2025, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jun 15 2025, 06:43 PM) I bought my Plotong years ago expecting it to be used way after it's been paid fully because that's how my late dad and mom would do it. When I moved to KL I was shocked about people buying car only looking for resale value .Just like some trendy people buy the latest iPhone every 1-2 years, they also buy the latest car model every 2-3 years = they need to buy such cars or phones with good RV or trade-in value. ....... Such trendy people can no longer do that with the latest EV car models that have no RV, esp with CCP China EV cars. Personally, I use my Android smartphones for >4 years or until they or the OS become obsolete. Similarly for my Proton car. . |
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Jun 15 2025, 07:13 PM
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Jun 15 2025, 07:23 PM
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I dunno la but it seems like a trend to buy and sell car to earn profit nowadays.
Not sure how they do it but when I want to sell any of my car, I don’t get back the money I paid it seems. |
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Jun 15 2025, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE(Najibaik @ Jun 15 2025, 05:10 PM) my first car city Yup. Thats why ppl who never kena before will never understand how important RV is. take 9 years loan until year 7 i kenot afford ad sell it and buy civic, loan balance 18k, sold it at 35k continue 9 years loan again :thumbsup: After kena one shit RV car where they need to topup, they will forever stick to Japanese cars |
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Jun 15 2025, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jun 15 2025, 06:38 PM) Not financially irresponsible la... Meaning he can afford to lose money on depreciation. Most conti owners already expected that already when they opt to buy such cars. Conti/ Japanese cars u lose money ok lah. They are so good to drive. Besides Japanese cars u lose little moneyIt's only the Toyodah and Hundah, Protua, Potong owners make such fuss when trying to upgrade their car and themselves. Lol. China cars u lose money is damn sohai. Shit to drive summore lose more money than conti cars |
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Jun 15 2025, 07:33 PM
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When buy car, need to look for good resale value, cannot simply buy, then regret later.
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Jun 15 2025, 07:38 PM
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Actually EV car is not like other cars. No resale value. Might as well take 9 year loan and use until the car dies.
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Jun 15 2025, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Jun 15 2025, 03:10 PM) If you start as fresh, its forgivable to have 9 years loan. the cheat code is the very very dangerous motorbike. after saving up, the Malaysian dream is the Kar....!we need the Kar!!!! If you work like horse and still buying new car with 9 years loan, then you should jump 14th floor when need to sell car for emergency funds. Vs... the public transport is super nice... we do not need to be in debt with Kar loan!!!! |
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Jun 15 2025, 08:18 PM
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Treat it like ccp android hp would be right.
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Jun 15 2025, 08:22 PM
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Jun 15 2025, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 03:20 PM) We use 2.8%pa as HP interest rate for reference. Depends on rate whether worth or not. I took 9 year loan for my Tesla at 2% rate or effectively 3.7%. I have the cash to pay direct but figured that there are much better uses elsewhere for it.After 9 years of repayment, the effective interest rate is actually 5.15%pa. So if one can constantly get 6% return pa from the cash he saved, that's only 0.85% of gain. When EPF also cannot guarantee min 6% over a 9 year span. |
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Jun 15 2025, 08:47 PM
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Jun 15 2025, 09:00 PM
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No need to explain in such lengthly video.
You know that person is fucked up when he can't differentiated investment or depreciation assets. |
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Jun 15 2025, 09:03 PM
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It's best time to buy EV in 2025
RM200k Model Y in December 2025, price hike to RM300k at January 2026 Instant profit yo |
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Jun 15 2025, 09:04 PM
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wrong, the car is not the worse thing to have. the worst thing to have is debt, i.e your car loan. get your fact correct.
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Jun 15 2025, 09:07 PM
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So nowadays conti>ev or ev>conti ? My pijot need to top up 10k to trade in..fark la..
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I dunno why those poeple so bodoh one. If they can commit to buying a car for RM XXX,XXX for whatever years they commit to, they should be able to finance the car all through.
Should not give excuse low resale value (Every car value will depreciate none the less) that makes an EV purchase problematic. The problem is them!!! Just don't buy any car that are beyond their means!! Just buy the cheapest that allows them to have rainy days fund then. But these asshole brained people just don't care. When people like me chide them for making stupid decisions like that and i am not compassionate? I am not pro human feelings? I am anti rich people? Bro!!! I am more positive human than any fucking people that you should not allow stupid outside influence that makes your lives so fucking miserable because you just wanna keep up with other people. FOR WHAT? If you made choices that satisfy others and for a very tiny short while ... YOURSELF... and then bitch about it every other fucking hour, week and months until you gave up... you are just making you and other people miserable!!! |
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Jun 15 2025, 09:25 PM
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0% deposit? Is that allowed?
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Jun 15 2025, 09:31 PM
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If HP loan, the max long periods is 5 years cos most of the cars value depreciate the most.
5 years repayment will almost always above resell value. If buying those cars with high resell value, you might breakeven if using 7 years repayment if want to sell the car after 5th year. Anything more than 7 years repayment especially those low resell value cars, then be prepared to bring cash to banks when want to sell the car during the first 5 years repayment period |
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Jun 15 2025, 09:39 PM
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Jun 15 2025, 09:59 PM
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Buy Hyundai getz 2nd hand. RM 9k can get liao. Very good car. Parts plenty. Mekanik bawah pokok can fix.
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Already said will predict many house soon have one EV parked inside not worth to repair and butthurt dont want to sell as besi buruk.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jun 15 2025, 09:21 PM) I dunno why those poeple so bodoh one. If they can commit to buying a car for RM XXX,XXX for whatever years they commit to, they should be able to finance the car all through. The one that is complaining about the resale value, is not even the owner themselves, not even a potential owner lol. See how the post mentions "ambil contoh" Should not give excuse low resale value (Every car value will depreciate none the less) that makes an EV purchase problematic. The problem is them!!! Just don't buy any car that are beyond their means!! Just buy the cheapest that allows them to have rainy days fund then. But these asshole brained people just don't care. When people like me chide them for making stupid decisions like that and i am not compassionate? I am not pro human feelings? I am anti rich people? Bro!!! I am more positive human than any fucking people that you should not allow stupid outside influence that makes your lives so fucking miserable because you just wanna keep up with other people. FOR WHAT? If you made choices that satisfy others and for a very tiny short while ... YOURSELF... and then bitch about it every other fucking hour, week and months until you gave up... you are just making you and other people miserable!!! Its always the others busybody one Sums it up This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 15 2025, 10:20 PM |
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Jun 15 2025, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:14 PM) The one that is complaining about the resale value, is not even the owner themselves, not even a potential owner lol. See how the post mentions "ambil contoh" .Its always the others busybody one Sums it up Because many entities are trying to push the busybodies to buy new EV cars without informing them of the cons, eg low RV, higher and more dangerous fire risk like self-combustion, high insurance costs, more costly than comparable ICE-V cars, etc, ... , .... eg - pushy government subsidies, tax exemptions, tax credits, exemptions on license plate fees or registration fees; - carmakers' promo price rebates, price cuts for latest model versions, 8-years warranties, exaggerated or lying ads, self-driving features; - EV news media hype of less polluting, kuat pecut, low maintenance costs, save on petrol costs, etc. Some of the busybodies learned from Covid-19's herd mentality and government mandates, eg MCO, Covid vaccination, etc, ie by pushing back. Eg many businesses closed shop, workers lost their jobs, a few even committed suicide, the people suffered hyper-inflation, etc. . |
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as long as can save on tax, die2 must buy before 2025 ends
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1. who is buying the EV? mostly is T20.
2. will T20 buy 2nd hand car? no way, why want to buy 2nd hand? 3. if T20 will not buy 2nd hand EV, who will buy? only M40. 4. so when M40, they will not able to pay high price, so where is the demand for 2nd hand EV? why non able to understand this logic now? |
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Jun 15 2025, 10:54 PM
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whats the fuss about, if the car is good, keep it la, why want to sell it?
and thats why some car have good resale value, they keep using it, hence got aftermarket/oem to support it, got workshop to repair it. car manufacturer only going to support the car up to 10 years only, so good luck if need to keep depend on official service center. |
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Jun 15 2025, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:14 PM) The one that is complaining about the resale value, is not even the owner themselves, not even a potential owner lol. See how the post mentions "ambil contoh" My takeaway from that video is:Its always the others busybody one Sums it up EV is subsidy from gomen for T20 & upper M40 Petrol is subsidy from gomen for M40 & B40 Hence EV pushback for NOW is class problem So to push for EV adoption gomen must abolish petrol subsidy. Gomen cannot abolish EV free tax & duties, may extend the deadline So moral of story is to WAIT instead of buy EV now This post has been edited by knwong: Jun 15 2025, 10:59 PM |
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 15 2025, 10:57 PM) My takeaway from that video is: Actually for me the current policy is the best. No need to push2 or force buyers. Later got protest like mat saleh country bcoz limiting muh freedomz. EV is subsidy from gomen for T20 & upper M40 Petrol is subsidy from gomen for M40 & B40 Hence EV pushback for NOW is class problem So to push for EV adoption gomen must abolish petrol subsidy. Gomen cannot abolish EV free tax & duties, may extend the deadline So moral of story is to WAIT instead of buy EV now EV got no tax, home charging is cheap, but public charging cost twice of petrol. So for those wanting for cheap <rm60k EV, later they will be in a rude shock when they realise public charging so damn expensive. For regular car, if u buy CKD car, the price is similar to other country now. Its only if u want a CBU car that it is taxed heavily. Petrol also cheap for long distance travel. If petrol subsidy is abolished, even EV user will feel it as almost all still have another 2-3 petrol car in the household So balance balance no need to force to choose one over another This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 15 2025, 11:18 PM MegaCanonF and yhtan liked this post
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Not all ICE car will have positive equity also la.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 15 2025, 03:06 PM) 9 years is actually okay for a finance savvy person when the cash you saved is invested and you make sure the returns per annum are more than the interest of the loan, at the end of the tenure you use whatever you generated to pay off the car or used in an emergency. I forgot got one doctor claim insurance saving plan is a good idea . Not u another guy . My friend put in 48k now left only around 36k , lose 4 year interest and still paper lost 12kThen again how many Malaysians here are financial savvy This post has been edited by MrBaba: Jun 15 2025, 11:22 PM |
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Yihs is all screwed up why are we subsidising the rich with ev car prices? Without tax exemption, ev will be even more expensive than they are now. Nobody will except really rich people. So market will be even smaller than now.
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QUOTE(MrBaba @ Jun 15 2025, 11:21 PM) I forgot got one doctor claim insurance saving plan is a good idea . Not u another guy . My friend put in 48k now left only around 36k , lose 4 year interest and still paper lost 12k That's the stupidest way of investing money. My as well give the agent a chunk of money and call it a day |
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 15 2025, 10:57 PM) My takeaway from that video is: They forgot about electricity rate readjustment coming soon too.EV is subsidy from gomen for T20 & upper M40 Petrol is subsidy from gomen for M40 & B40 Hence EV pushback for NOW is class problem So to push for EV adoption gomen must abolish petrol subsidy. Gomen cannot abolish EV free tax & duties, may extend the deadline So moral of story is to WAIT instead of buy EV now If the gov really want EV to grow, they should abolished the 100k limit pricing. Let there be price war among EV beside ICE. The problem is Gov still protecting P1 and P2. In order EV to find a footprint how much their 2nd value, they need to sell a lot EV like those standard P2 models and certain Toyota models to build up a health 2nd hand spare parts market. Those current EV models surely got bad reselling value cos of 2 major problem 1. Lack of available of knowledgeable mechanics cos there is no incentive, nor market for this service as at now. Almost all goes back to their respective service centre as the owner scare of losing their long term battery warranty if repairs outside 2. Spare parts too expensive or not easily available. Everyone know EV major replacement $ is the battery and inverter which have a lifespan. If this items are easily available at much affordable level, me surely will buy at higher price in 2nd hand market. Examples, if a normal ICE selling 150k, 5 years later can sell 70k Similar 150k EV surely will see lower resell price, due to the risk of replacement plus other risk, maybe can only command selling price 50k or lower due to smaller pools of 2nd hand buyers This post has been edited by Iceman74: Jun 15 2025, 11:35 PM |
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Which EV 5th year value went down to Rm30k? I want buy.
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If too calculative, buy a landed house. If possible, PJ landed area
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 15 2025, 03:06 PM) 9 years is actually okay for a finance savvy person when the cash you saved is invested and you make sure the returns per annum are more than the interest of the loan, at the end of the tenure you use whatever you generated to pay off the car or used in an emergency. Then again how many Malaysians here are financial savvy QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Jun 15 2025, 03:10 PM) If you start as fresh, its forgivable to have 9 years loan. Keeping up with the JonesesIf you work like horse and still buying new car with 9 years loan, then you should jump 14th floor when need to sell car for emergency funds. you will be surprised many of us die die need to buy new car occasionally just for water face even asking for 100% loan, regardless of race |
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Jun 16 2025, 09:06 AM
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Why people wants to get 100% for hire purchase loan? No money then don't buy la?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:14 PM) The one that is complaining about the resale value, is not even the owner themselves, not even a potential owner lol. See how the post mentions "ambil contoh" U see comment here pun tau lah Its always the others busybody one Sums it up The current EV owner in /k is not complaining while the non EV owner always buka thread and hantam godhpf and max_cavalera liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 09:32 AM
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EV = kereta pakai buang.
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Jun 16 2025, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(giftfre @ Jun 16 2025, 09:06 AM) Why people wants to get 100% for hire purchase loan? No money then don't buy la? Somw people just like to suppork bank business. !00% loan for a tree, serius la? If everyone so calculative the economy will slump. If not how bank gib high fd interest This post has been edited by Ayambetul: Jun 16 2025, 09:54 AM |
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jun 16 2025, 09:38 AM) No sir... When there is a demand, there is a market.FYI, I own an EV too. Already set in my mind, I'll use it till the battery halfway kaput, then I'll buy a new one. Believe it or not, Malaysia will be full of 3rd party EV battery replacement service in coming years. As EV owner shall not worry and just enjoy the ride. Let the ICE owners keep mumbling sh*t like boiling water. |
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Jun 16 2025, 09:55 AM
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Smart play is to buy 2nd hand EV then….
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Example BYD Atto 3 price Malaysia start from RM 130k China start from CNY 119,800 (~RM 73k) You see loh, how much you pay extra for malaysia bill11 liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(Dothan @ Jun 16 2025, 09:54 AM) When there is a demand, there is a market. Yup... enjoying my car every day. My old 2012 Jazz hybrid gathering dust. Thinking of giving it a new coat of paint and give it to my dotter. Believe it or not, Malaysia will be full of 3rd party EV battery replacement service in coming years. As EV owner shall not worry and just enjoy the ride. Let the ICE owners keep mumbling sh*t like boiling water. QUOTE(Zer0 c00L @ Jun 16 2025, 09:55 AM) I'm thinking of getting another one for my wife (running errand to pasar malam and such). 2nd one will do. |
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Jun 16 2025, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jun 16 2025, 10:03 AM) Yup... enjoying my car every day. My old 2012 Jazz hybrid gathering dust. Thinking of giving it a new coat of paint and give it to my dotter. ada apa good deals found boss?I'm thinking of getting another one for my wife (running errand to pasar malam and such). 2nd one will do. can replace my wife myvi since pure city drive |
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Jun 16 2025, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(whphon @ Jun 16 2025, 10:03 AM) Example BYD Atto 3 price Atto 3 UK price brand new is GBP 39705 (rm230k), and UK no tariff like other EU countries Malaysia start from RM 130k China start from CNY 119,800 (~RM 73k) You see loh, how much you pay extra for malaysia Secondhand 2023 one is GBP 18500 (rm106k) This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 16 2025, 10:15 AM |
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have to settle the HP loan before you can properly sell the car.... else sambung bayar or take another loan to cover the HP loan
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Jun 16 2025, 10:19 AM
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“Imagine when we are in emergency state and we need money…”…
--> car is a liability.. since when a liability generates money??? Unless u use it for business purposes (grab,lala), then a car will always be a liability. i.e you lose money when out of the showroom |
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Civic ketam still the best residual value. Full loan 135k for 9 years, now is the 6th year loan balance 66k, market value 85k, even sell to used car dealer 75k still can pocket 10k. bigduck, lurkingaround, and 1 other liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 10:24 AM
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"Full 9y loan 0 DP"
Mastarace detected. Kurang tahun bayar mean kurang malais gene |
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Jun 16 2025, 10:32 AM
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buy EV and expect to sell without loosing money is bodo
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Buy ICE or EV your mindset should be just to use like a tool. Dun expect u can sell for profit. Just drive and maintain the car as best you can.
U treat the car well and it will do the same. When time to change then when u sell, use what u get to cover some cost for the new car. |
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I don't buy car to resell it,but a good RV is the good escape plan in case things go wrong lerijiso, lurkingaround, and 1 other liked this post
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Buy 2nd hand to get the best value
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QUOTE(Dothan @ Jun 16 2025, 09:54 AM) When there is a demand, there is a market. Last time ada manyak complain hybrid battery mahal, cakap replacement will cost RM15-20k, now below RM10k can replace liao, if not mistaken with RM6-8k can replace liao.Believe it or not, Malaysia will be full of 3rd party EV battery replacement service in coming years. As EV owner shall not worry and just enjoy the ride. Let the ICE owners keep mumbling sh*t like boiling water. Then u can see more and more workshop who able to fix hybrid car sudah beli EV diagnose machine and start venture into this business. max_cavalera liked this post
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jun 15 2025, 04:39 PM) Unless you have the mindset of buying a car and can accept full depreciation value like one of our forummer Boy96, then EV is definitely not for you. If you noticed our friend here buys all the "cold" cars like Ford and VW and yes the mentioned BYD Atto. Basically he doesn't mind the depreciation that comes with it. He's rich. apa apa mindset blahblah. If you're rich you don't care about RV. Thats all. |
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 16 2025, 10:50 AM) Last time ada manyak complain hybrid battery mahal, cakap replacement will cost RM15-20k, now below RM10k can replace liao, if not mistaken with RM6-8k can replace liao. i dont think people complaining those less than rm10k replacement, but rather rm100k replacement from beloved conti brand.Then u can see more and more workshop who able to fix hybrid car sudah beli EV diagnose machine and start venture into this business. |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 15 2025, 06:16 PM) My petrol usage in kuching per week. Myr 60 half tank fill. That's how little I drive in this city. Those saying solar don't realized they actually are paying the electricity/fuel in advance60 x 4 weeks = 240 myr 240 myr x 12 months. 2880 myr per annum. Battery life of byd? This is the following from other thread BYD Atto 3: RM22,835 total cost, or RM3,262 per year on average Chery Omoda E5: RM23,031 total cost, or RM3,290 per year on average GWM Ora Good Cat 500 Ultra: RM18,047 total cost, or RM2,578 per year on average BYD Seal Performance: RM31,148 total cost, or RM4,450 per year on average In short.... Ice still wins with petrol subsidy. Only change when goverment remove subsidy dickybird liked this post
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 15 2025, 08:40 PM) Depends on rate whether worth or not. I took 9 year loan for my Tesla at 2% rate or effectively 3.7%. I have the cash to pay direct but figured that there are much better uses elsewhere for it. Similar. I'm taking 9 years loan instead of paying more and taking shorter tenure because of high monthly repayment, which if lower can be use as investment, and the extra cash that I put even by waiting for some passive investment also enough to pay the car maintenance. In financial, I think we need to be more flexible on how to play around so that we can optimized the money and get the highest ROI out of it. |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 16 2025, 12:23 PM) Similar. I'm taking 9 years loan instead of paying more and taking shorter tenure because of high monthly repayment, which if lower can be use as investment, and the extra cash that I put even by waiting for some passive investment also enough to pay the car maintenance. In financial, I think we need to be more flexible on how to play around so that we can optimized the money and get the highest ROI out of it. Car loan can pay more installment meh?Can only pay 1 lump sum early settlement (with rebate somemore) ...never heard hire purchase works like home loan - pay more, can shorten tenure |
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 16 2025, 12:58 PM) Car loan can pay more installment meh? There are 2 type, one is the HP and another is like the housing loan. But my higher installment here meaning 9 years the repayment will be lower than 5 years. Eg 200K 2.8% for 9 years meaning repayment is 2785.19 vs 5 years 3.8K. The 1K difference can be use to generate money.Can only pay 1 lump sum early settlement (with rebate somemore) ...never heard hire purchase works like home loan - pay more, can shorten tenure The one like housing loan works like housing loan. Even HP if you are able to finish it in 5 years, but you get 9 years loan, they will deduct all the interest before you do the final settlement. This post has been edited by jasontoh: Jun 16 2025, 01:48 PM |
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 16 2025, 12:58 PM) Car loan can pay more installment meh? Go Google rhb flexi car loanCan only pay 1 lump sum early settlement (with rebate somemore) ...never heard hire purchase works like home loan - pay more, can shorten tenure Btw interest rates so low why wanna early settle? If they want to loan me at 99 years tenure at that rate I will gladly accept |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 16 2025, 02:10 PM) I think this is the correct mindset of getting an EV. Just assume the value almost none by the time battery kaputing Yup. That way one will be at peace with the purchase and enjoy to the fullest. Like buying a fancy handphone, use it to the fullest and junk it when the time comes. |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 15 2025, 03:06 PM) 9 years is actually okay for a finance savvy person when the cash you saved is invested and you make sure the returns per annum are more than the interest of the loan, at the end of the tenure you use whatever you generated to pay off the car or used in an emergency. I'd say 9 year car loan is actually like renting car at lower rate than car rental service. Then again how many Malaysians here are financial savvy |
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Jun 15 2025, 05:12 PM) Were they expecting that they would be selling the car at a higher price than the price they bought it for? Myvi 50k + mod 50kThis is the delusion that EV owners are facing. They think that buying an EV = higher status, higher caste, gives them the edge over non-EVs. They continuously paint themselves as higher status where, if a property has an EV charger = higher status property, and thus would reel in more expensive clients, and/or upgrade the prop as higher standards. Fact is, it's just like every other salesman out there, pakai air liur cakap. No scientific data to back up such claim, nor is there anything proven by data. Most EV owners are delusional, syiok sendiri, and feels and thinks highly of themselves, padahal they are only driving an enlarged battery-powered toy car with degrading battery life over time. After 7 years sell 100k because got mods... you getting more value bro. Untung beli modified myvi. |
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tell ur bank u want to settle ur HP la. they will give discount one, normally you still earn back a little if within a year or 2. after that you practically making loses to bank even you plan to settle ur HP.
buying EV car still drag 9 years loan, you better save more for your DP and reduce the year of repayment la..... |
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i read some comment, mention if a person cannot afford 5 years loan = cannot buy the car....
none of my car shorter than 9 years loan... if can i prefer to longer loan... car loan interest are just 2.x% .. imagine you save in FD or EPF.. or flexi current account.. you earn more than paying back car... that why , if loan lower than 6%, i will never go shorter... my flexi current account give me average 5~6% ... why should i go pay my loan faster??? the moment you buy car, it is depreciating... it not like house... so your key is to lower the losses.... instead paying faster loan, keep the extra money in better return compare to your car loan... unless you spend all without saving la This post has been edited by stevenlee: Jun 16 2025, 03:29 PM |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 16 2025, 03:26 PM) i read some comment, mention if a person cannot afford 5 years loan = cannot buy the car.... If your interest rate is 2.8% on 100k amount with 9 years repayment, your EFFECTIVE interest rate is 5.15%. You need to find investment that earn more than 5.15%, guaranteed....like EPF savingsnone of my car shorter than 9 years loan... if can i prefer to longer loan... car loan interest are just 2.x% .. imagine you save in FD or EPF.. or flexi current account.. you earn more than paying back car... that why , if loan lower than 6%, i will never go shorter... my flexi current account give me average 5~6% ... why should i go pay my loan faster??? the moment you buy car, it is depreciating... it not like house... so your key is to lower the losses.... instead paying faster loan, keep the extra money in better return compare to your car loan... unless you spend all without saving la Always use EFFECTIVE interest rate to compare |
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 16 2025, 03:38 PM) If your interest rate is 2.8% on 100k amount with 9 years repayment, your EFFECTIVE interest rate is 5.15%. You need to find investment that earn more than 5.15%, guaranteed....like EPF savings hmm... i not sure why need effective rate...Always use EFFECTIVE interest rate to compare i alway compare annual.. since our loan is per annum x total loan x years my current account interest rate is base on housing interest % ... i not able to find my bank rate.. but looking at maybank is 4.35% per annum .. still higher than 2.8%.... i remember this debate before and some bank still offer this type of account.... that why i rarely put in FD beside EPF and SSPN.. majority my money are in this flexi current account.... |
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Buy Ferrari baru la investment
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jun 16 2025, 03:40 PM) And owe your entire life to the banks. Seems silly tbh. I paid my car loan off and it's the best feeling ever and whatever money saved from that I can comfortably repair anything that spoils in my 12 years old car |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 16 2025, 03:45 PM) hmm... i not sure why need effective rate... Exactly this!!i alway compare annual.. since our loan is per annum x total loan x years my current account interest rate is base on housing interest % ... i not able to find my bank rate.. but looking at maybank is 4.35% per annum .. still higher than 2.8%.... i remember this debate before and some bank still offer this type of account.... that why i rarely put in FD beside EPF and SSPN.. majority my money are in this flexi current account.... Even with normal FD promo of 3.75%, one still actually earned ~18K by the end of 9 years. |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 16 2025, 03:55 PM) And owe your entire life to the banks. Seems silly tbh. I paid my car loan off and it's the best feeling ever and whatever money saved from that I can comfortably repair anything that spoils in my 12 years old car I'm liking this 'k debate talking about renting or buying house, which is better Me, I don;t like to borrow. If have to loan, I'd clear it the soonest possible. |
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jun 16 2025, 04:00 PM) I'm liking this 'k debate talking about renting or buying house, which is better House like cars, need maintenanceMe, I don;t like to borrow. If have to loan, I'd clear it the soonest possible. Either way if both can buy cash, go with cash |
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I bought a 2023 year made 2024 registered demo unit EV at 99K only when the RSP was around 200K, mileage at 50 KM only and interest rate at 2.3% with 7 years loan. When purchasing insurance, it won't allow us to go that low, must cover at 200K market value. A very good deal for me but very kesian the 1st batch buyers buying at full price.
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QUOTE(whitegoh @ Jun 16 2025, 06:24 PM) I bought a 2023 year made 2024 registered demo unit EV at 99K only when the RSP was around 200K, mileage at 50 KM only and interest rate at 2.3% with 7 years loan. When purchasing insurance, it won't allow us to go that low, must cover at 200K market value. A very good deal for me but very kesian the 1st batch buyers buying at full price. Good deal you got there |
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QUOTE(whitegoh @ Jun 16 2025, 06:24 PM) I bought a 2023 year made 2024 registered demo unit EV at 99K only when the RSP was around 200K, mileage at 50 KM only and interest rate at 2.3% with 7 years loan. When purchasing insurance, it won't allow us to go that low, must cover at 200K market value. A very good deal for me but very kesian the 1st batch buyers buying at full price. Share la what EV model? |
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QUOTE(caviars @ Jun 15 2025, 04:23 PM) There are stories from the internet that claim you can keep changing car by trading in car after x year with 9 years loan. depends on how much initial deposit they put alsoall this easy only, ask chatgpt calculate they wanna be loan free after selling their car, upfront pay a lot la no wonder many ppl sy marehsian finance illiterate, simple concept like this also they duno This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Jun 16 2025, 07:59 PM |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 16 2025, 03:45 PM) hmm... i not sure why need effective rate... .i alway compare annual.. since our loan is per annum x total loan x years my current account interest rate is base on housing interest % ... i not able to find my bank rate.. but looking at maybank is 4.35% per annum .. still higher than 2.8%.... i remember this debate before and some bank still offer this type of account.... that why i rarely put in FD beside EPF and SSPN.. majority my money are in this flexi current account.... Fyi, ....... . https://kclau.com/debts/car-loans-in-perspe...-real-interest/ - Car Loans in Perspective: Understanding the Real Interest AUGUST 10, 2023 https://www.comparehero.my/articles/heres-h...-than-you-think - Why Car Loan Interest Charges Are Actually Pricier Than What It Seems? - 30 Oct 2019 . Car loans by banks employ flat interest rate, which charge more interests than a fixed rate house loan which often has daily/monthly rest on the remaining loan principal as debtors are paying their monthly instalments. Eg a 30-years house loan of 100k at 5% fixed interest rate. On Day 1, the bank charges RM5k in annual interest. ....... After 10 years of repayment to the bank, the loan principal may now be reduced to RM80k = the bank charges RM4k in annual interest for the 11th year. ....... After 20 years of repayment to the bank, the loan principal may now be reduced to RM40k = the bank charges RM2k in annual interest for the 21st year. In comparison, a 9-year car loan of RM100k at "3%" flat interest rate. On Day 1, the bank charges 3% on the RM100k principal for the whole 9 years of repayment, ie 3% of RM100k X 9 years = RM27k. ....... If we had taken a 9-year house loan of RM100k at 3% fixed interest rate, we would have paid about RM20k in interest to the bank after 9 years of repayment due to the monthly/daily rest. Effective interest rate is, as if the flat-rate car loan was a fixed-rate house loan. Gemini AI Overview: In Malaysian house loans, "monthly rest" refers to how the interest on your loan is calculated. It means the interest is calculated on the outstanding balance of your loan at the end of each month, and this is then added to your loan principal. As you make payments, the outstanding balance decreases, and subsequently, the interest charged decreases as well. This method is commonly used for home loans in Malaysia. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jun 17 2025, 02:49 PM |
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always the rainy day arguement. mcm insurans la kan...how else pipu cari makan. cara dia macam beli kete mcm beli baju
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QUOTE(whitegoh @ Jun 16 2025, 06:24 PM) I bought a 2023 year made 2024 registered demo unit EV at 99K only when the RSP was around 200K, mileage at 50 KM only and interest rate at 2.3% with 7 years loan. When purchasing insurance, it won't allow us to go that low, must cover at 200K market value. A very good deal for me but very kesian the 1st batch buyers buying at full price. I think I saw a similar post from FB, it's a Chery car right? |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 16 2025, 03:45 PM) hmm... i not sure why need effective rate... Effective rate is due to how the loan is structured, even though you reduce the outstanding, interest paid remain the same as opposed to mortgage where reduce outstanding = less interest charge on subsequent periodi alway compare annual.. since our loan is per annum x total loan x years my current account interest rate is base on housing interest % ... i not able to find my bank rate.. but looking at maybank is 4.35% per annum .. still higher than 2.8%.... i remember this debate before and some bank still offer this type of account.... that why i rarely put in FD beside EPF and SSPN.. majority my money are in this flexi current account.... Banks do this as they can advertise with a smaller % number It's like Telco, advertise xxxx Mbps padahal the b means bits If convert to Bytes, the xxxx Mbps will need to divide by 8 This post has been edited by viktorherald: Jun 17 2025, 01:53 PM |
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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Jun 17 2025, 01:50 PM) Effective rate is due to how the loan is structured, even though you reduce the outstanding, interest paid remain the same as opposed to mortgage where reduce outstanding = less interest charge on subsequent period i try to read and understand just now... Banks do this as they can advertise with a smaller % number It's like Telco, advertise xxxx Mbps paschal the b means bits If convert to Bytes, the xxxx Mbps will to divide by 8 but the end, i still not understanding.. haha.... net net, i alway let my "Finance Controller" do the job... what i do, all my money going to "FC" and my "FC" settle for me last time, most of time, 50% down payment and balance 9 years |
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who bodo said to this guy buying car can make money? really sei sohai...wakakkakak
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 16 2025, 11:59 PM) . Fyi, ....... . https://kclau.com/debts/car-loans-in-perspe...-real-interest/ - Car Loans in Perspective: Understanding the Real Interest AUGUST 10, 2023 https://www.comparehero.my/articles/heres-h...-than-you-think - Why Car Loan Interest Charges Are Actually Pricier Than What It Seems? - 30 Oct 2019 . Car loans by banks employ flat interest rate, which charge more interests than a fixed rate house loan which often has daily/monthly rest on the remaining loan principal as debtors are paying their monthly instalments. Eg a 30-years house loan of 100k at 5% fixed interest rate. On Day 1, the bank charges RM5k in annual interest. ....... After 10 years of repayment to the bank, the loan principal may now be reduced to RM80k = the bank charges RM4k in annual interest for the 11th year. ....... After 20 years of repayment to the bank, the loan principal may now be reduced to RM40k = the bank charges RM2k in annual interest for the 21st year. In comparison, a 9-year car loan of RM100k at "3%" flat interest rate. On Day 1, the bank charges 3% on the RM100k principal for the whole 9 years of repayment, ie 3% of RM100k X 9 years = RM27k. ....... If we had taken a 9-year house loan of RM100k at 3% fixed interest rate, we would have paid about RM20k in interest to the bank after 9 years of repayment due to the monthly/daily rest. Effective interest rate is, as if the flat-rate car loan was a fixed-rate house loan. Gemini AI Overview: In Malaysian house loans, "monthly rest" refers to how the interest on your loan is calculated. It means the interest is calculated on the outstanding balance of your loan at the end of each month, and this is then added to your loan principal. As you make payments, the outstanding balance decreases, and subsequently, the interest charged decreases as well. This method is commonly used for home loans in Malaysia. . QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 17 2025, 01:55 PM) i try to read and understand just now... .but the end, i still not understanding.. haha.... net net, i alway let my "Finance Controller" do the job... what i do, all my money going to "FC" and my "FC" settle for me last time, most of time, 50% down payment and balance 9 years Please try again, ie after my edits. . |
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compare with potong, EV more valuable even after depreciation
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 17 2025, 01:55 PM) i try to read and understand just now... meaning mortgage loan interest is always tied to your outstanding. if you opt to advance payment, your interest charge will be lesser -> earlier settlement of loanbut the end, i still not understanding.. haha.... net net, i alway let my "Finance Controller" do the job... what i do, all my money going to "FC" and my "FC" settle for me last time, most of time, 50% down payment and balance 9 years try do that on car loan, banker ask you go fly kite, or even charge you early settlement penalty on it and the fix interest, meaning every year charge you same amount of interest even on your last year, the interest amount does not get reduced, hence higher effective interest rate This post has been edited by viktorherald: Jun 18 2025, 12:45 AM lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 16 2025, 03:45 PM) hmm... i not sure why need effective rate... Rip finances x understand car loan fullyi alway compare annual.. since our loan is per annum x total loan x years my current account interest rate is base on housing interest % ... i not able to find my bank rate.. but looking at maybank is 4.35% per annum .. still higher than 2.8%.... i remember this debate before and some bank still offer this type of account.... that why i rarely put in FD beside EPF and SSPN.. majority my money are in this flexi current account.... |
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ofcause rugi la if sell car,dont matter its ev or watever....1st time ka?
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buying EV much better than underwater Airbnb property buy 900k lelong at 300k
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 16 2025, 03:26 PM) car loan interest are just 2.x% .. imagine you save in FD or EPF.. or flexi current account.. you earn more than paying back car... Your so-called 2.x% HP rate is called flat interest rate. If you calculate its effective interest rate, it is much higher than a FD rate of 2.x%. No wonder Bank Negara wants to ban flat interest rate calculation because there are just too many ignorant people like you out there. Ending flat-rate loan calculations can curb household debt, bankruptcy risks yhtan and lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 15 2025, 02:50 PM) Using BYD Atto 3 take 9 Year Full Loan (0 deposit) & 2.8% interest Nothing wrong with taking years of loan for car even though you have cash, provided you put your cash to work and able to generate return that are higher than 2.8% interest (or whichever amount it is). Else, either Car value Loan balance Year 0: RM149,800 RM149,800 Year 1: RM100,000 RM134,700 Year 2: RM78,000 Rm119,300 Year 3: RM54,000 RM103,500 Year 4: RM38,000 RM87,000 Year 5: RM30,000 RM71,000 1) pay cash. 2) don't buy EV car as is depreciate much faster than ICE car. 3) don't buy car at all. BTW, these days condo don't appreciate in prices anymore as there are too many around and more to come. The only property that can appreciate value over time is landed property (preferable freehold property, also depends on location). This post has been edited by lyekit: Jun 18 2025, 03:49 AM |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 16 2025, 03:26 PM) car loan interest are just 2.x% .. imagine you save in FD or EPF.. or flexi current account.. you earn more than paying back car... QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 16 2025, 03:56 PM) Exactly this!! LMFAO at these 2 retards thinking they can outsmart banks..Even with normal FD promo of 3.75%, one still actually earned ~18K by the end of 9 years. Diuniaseng if so simple like this banks will pokgai long ago dy la You think you some genius is it. When in reality you just announced to the world you dont know shit about finances.. Before anything else. Just think for a moment with your two brain cells. Answer this truthfully: you really think you smarter than banks?? yhtan liked this post
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If i am bank wont give loan to ev lah
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 16 2025, 03:55 PM) And owe your entire life to the banks. Seems silly tbh. I paid my car loan off and it's the best feeling ever and whatever money saved from that I can comfortably repair anything that spoils in my 12 years old car This is so true. Ayam also like this. The moment you don't have any car and house debt, you will be suprised with the amount of money you can save from just monthly salary.Worst case for mine is overhaul engine or gearbox (if needed). Max will be around 10-15K for both. Still cheaper than getting new 100K car loan. This post has been edited by saiga: Jun 18 2025, 06:14 AM |
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 04:20 PM) We use 2.8%pa as HP interest rate for reference. How get 5.15% tolong ajarkanAfter 9 years of repayment, the effective interest rate is actually 5.15%pa. So if one can constantly get 6% return pa from the cash he saved, that's only 0.85% of gain. When EPF also cannot guarantee min 6% over a 9 year span. |
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jun 18 2025, 05:46 AM) Any shortfalls you still need to pay back the bank. Only ppl with poor financial records bank tak mahu pinjamOn and off banks called to beg me to take personal loan credit card cash advance and whatnot without any collateral |
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Use this calculator https://loanstreet.com.my/calculator/flat-t...rest-calculator AI Overview +9 To convert a hire purchase (HP) flat interest rate to an effective interest rate (also known as the true interest rate), you need to account for the compounding effect, as HP interest is typically calculated on the original loan amount rather than the reducing balance. The effective rate reflects the actual cost of borrowing, which is usually higher than the flat rate. Here's how you can do it, and some key concepts: Key Concepts: Flat Interest Rate: Calculated on the original principal amount throughout the loan term. Effective Interest Rate (EIR): The actual interest rate you pay, considering the compounding effect. It reflects the true cost of borrowing. Compounding: The process where interest is calculated on the principal amount plus accumulated interest from previous periods. Calculation: 1. Understand the Hire Purchase Agreement: Identify the flat interest rate (e.g., 3.4% per annum). Determine the loan amount and the loan tenure (e.g., 7 years). Note the frequency of interest calculation (usually monthly, but can be annually). 2. Calculate the Total Interest: Multiply the flat rate by the loan amount and the loan tenure to find the total interest paid over the loan term. 3. Calculate the Effective Interest Rate (EIR): Using a calculator or spreadsheet: Many online tools and financial calculators (like those from Findoctor.my) can perform this calculation directly. Some provide a "Flat to Effective Interest Rate Calculator". Using the formula (for monthly compounding): EIR = (1 + (Nominal Rate / Number of Compounding Periods)) ^ Number of Compounding Periods - 1 Where: Nominal Rate is the flat interest rate (expressed as a decimal). Number of Compounding Periods is the number of times interest is calculated per year (e.g., 12 for monthly). Example: Let's say you have a car loan of RM84,000 at a flat interest rate of 3.4% per annum for 7 years, with monthly compounding. Total interest paid = RM84,000 * 0.034 * 7 = RM19,992 Total amount repaid = RM84,000 + RM19,992 = RM103,992 Monthly repayment = RM103,992 / (7 * 12) = RM1,238 Using the formula for EIR with monthly compounding: EIR = (1 + (0.034 / 12)) ^ 12 - 1 = 0.0345 or 3.45% Therefore, the effective interest rate for this hire purchase is around 6.27%, which is significantly higher than the 3.4% flat rate. Key Takeaway: Always compare the effective interest rate (EIR) when evaluating loan offers, as it provides a more accurate picture of the true cost of borrowing than the flat interest rate. mr_geforce liked this post
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 17 2025, 01:55 PM) i try to read and understand just now... "FC" is your wife? Never explain to u?but the end, i still not understanding.. haha.... net net, i alway let my "Finance Controller" do the job... what i do, all my money going to "FC" and my "FC" settle for me last time, most of time, 50% down payment and balance 9 years |
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 18 2025, 07:58 AM) yeah...maybe she did calculation before.... i calculated back my last 3 year purchase car loan 2.1% (EIR 3.97%), my flexi premier account still hv slight 0.4% higher than EIR base on Maybank rate 4.35% my banker told me before, as long as you maintain my money matching the total loan in my flexi premium, you basically enjoy 0% interest loan or saving or slightly higher.... just check my RHB premier give me 4.4% (but TnC)... I cant find UOB rate This post has been edited by stevenlee: Jun 18 2025, 08:38 AM MGM liked this post
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 18 2025, 07:56 AM) Use this calculator https://loanstreet.com.my/calculator/flat-t...rest-calculator AI Overview +9 To convert a hire purchase (HP) flat interest rate to an effective interest rate (also known as the true interest rate), you need to account for the compounding effect, as HP interest is typically calculated on the original loan amount rather than the reducing balance. The effective rate reflects the actual cost of borrowing, which is usually higher than the flat rate. Here's how you can do it, and some key concepts: Key Concepts: Flat Interest Rate: Calculated on the original principal amount throughout the loan term. Effective Interest Rate (EIR): The actual interest rate you pay, considering the compounding effect. It reflects the true cost of borrowing. Compounding: The process where interest is calculated on the principal amount plus accumulated interest from previous periods. Calculation: 1. Understand the Hire Purchase Agreement: Identify the flat interest rate (e.g., 3.4% per annum). Determine the loan amount and the loan tenure (e.g., 7 years). Note the frequency of interest calculation (usually monthly, but can be annually). 2. Calculate the Total Interest: Multiply the flat rate by the loan amount and the loan tenure to find the total interest paid over the loan term. 3. Calculate the Effective Interest Rate (EIR): Using a calculator or spreadsheet: Many online tools and financial calculators (like those from Findoctor.my) can perform this calculation directly. Some provide a "Flat to Effective Interest Rate Calculator". Using the formula (for monthly compounding): EIR = (1 + (Nominal Rate / Number of Compounding Periods)) ^ Number of Compounding Periods - 1 Where: Nominal Rate is the flat interest rate (expressed as a decimal). Number of Compounding Periods is the number of times interest is calculated per year (e.g., 12 for monthly). Example: Let's say you have a car loan of RM84,000 at a flat interest rate of 3.4% per annum for 7 years, with monthly compounding. Total interest paid = RM84,000 * 0.034 * 7 = RM19,992 Total amount repaid = RM84,000 + RM19,992 = RM103,992 Monthly repayment = RM103,992 / (7 * 12) = RM1,238 Using the formula for EIR with monthly compounding: EIR = (1 + (0.034 / 12)) ^ 12 - 1 = 0.0345 or 3.45% Therefore, the effective interest rate for this hire purchase is around 6.27%, which is significantly higher than the 3.4% flat rate. Key Takeaway: Always compare the effective interest rate (EIR) when evaluating loan offers, as it provides a more accurate picture of the true cost of borrowing than the flat interest rate. This is correct. Effective interest rate is the TRUE INTEREST that one pay to the bank. The argument that everyone say better put the money in FD with higher 4% rate is always flawed when compared with low HP flat rate of 2.8% as someone argued before in this thread |
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 18 2025, 08:31 AM) This is correct. Effective interest rate is the TRUE INTEREST that one pay to the bank. The argument that everyone say better put the money in FD with higher 4% rate is always flawed when compared with low HP flat rate of 2.8% as someone argued before in this thread At same time 4% FD is also not TRUE INTEREST also, it will be more. Yr money will be more & more if u not take any interest yearly.If U take loan RM84,000@3.4% per annum= U have to pay RM103,992 after 7 years If u invest RM84,000@4% FD= U will have RM111091 after 7 years This post has been edited by khusyairi: Jun 18 2025, 09:09 AM |
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 18 2025, 09:00 AM) At same time 4% FD is also not TRUE INTEREST also, it will be more. Yr money will be more & more if u not take any interest yearly. i think we miss out one thing.i think people keep say need to convert car loan to EIR... but why we did not convert the FD rate to EIR rate? both FD and car loan are calculate per annum... if want to compare shoudnt both need convert to EIR.. basically FD is like we borrow to bank and with interest rate per annum... we need to convert to EIR as well if want to compare.. in that case, shouldnt FD rate still better??? Yamcake liked this post
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 09:07 AM) i think we miss out one thing. Yes true, I already calculate it for easier to understand..i think people keep say need to convert car loan to EIR... but why we did not convert the FD rate to EIR rate? both FD and car loan are calculate per annum... if want to compare shoudnt both need convert to EIR.. basically FD is like we borrow to bank and with interest rate per annum... we need to convert to EIR as well if want to compare.. in that case, shouldnt FD rate still better??? Even if it is the same rate of 3.4% for 7 years, U will get about RM106,535 for initial RM84,000 investment. Which mean better put in FD. This post has been edited by khusyairi: Jun 18 2025, 09:14 AM |
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Full loan! Fvcking B40 stick to B40 cars
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 18 2025, 09:00 AM) At same time 4% FD is also not TRUE INTEREST also, it will be more. Yr money will be more & more if u not take any interest yearly. 4% is the true interest. Just that it compounds upon maturity but based on the new rate. If U take loan RM84,000@3.4% per annum= U have to pay RM103,992 after 7 years If u invest RM84,000@4% FD= U will have RM111091 after 7 years FD return is already the EIR, no need for conversion, so can use it to compare with other investment returns. QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 09:07 AM) i think we miss out one thing. Let's say your car loan (HP) EIR is 6% n FD 4%, it is actually better to use your FD to buy the car. This is assuming you have no other matters to worry.i think people keep say need to convert car loan to EIR... but why we did not convert the FD rate to EIR rate? both FD and car loan are calculate per annum... if want to compare shoudnt both need convert to EIR.. basically FD is like we borrow to bank and with interest rate per annum... we need to convert to EIR as well if want to compare.. in that case, shouldnt FD rate still better??? This post has been edited by MGM: Jun 18 2025, 09:22 AM |
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 18 2025, 09:19 AM) 4% is the true interest. Just that it compounds upon maturity but based on the new rate. Whatever it is. TRUE POINT is better put yr money in FD rather than pay low interest loan.FD return is already the EIR, no need for conversion, so can use it to compare with other investment returns. PS: U must know that FD can be calculate monthly, quarterly or annually depend on bank or investment. Which mean FD return is not really the EIR. This post has been edited by khusyairi: Jun 18 2025, 09:24 AM |
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 18 2025, 09:24 AM) agree... but few option are long term.. like EPF...or Premier Current account...Probably that the reason i did not learn about EIR as i being on Premier account since young... hell... now i might start to look at EIR and compare |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 09:30 AM) agree... but few option are long term.. like EPF...or Premier Current account... Aiyoh EPF n Amanah mostly > FD by at least 2%, different lah.Probably that the reason i did not learn about EIR as i being on Premier account since young... hell... now i might start to look at EIR and compare That is why since 20 years ago I stop using FD. |
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 18 2025, 09:27 AM) For Malaysia, if U buy T&H cars, normally u will get 2.2-2.5% interest rate which basically low than typical FD 2.5-3% interest rate. say u have 100kinstead of paying the 100k cash to buy a car, u decided to put in FD at 3% per annum (at 1 month tenure renewable for easy withdrawal if required) and take a car loan of 100k at 5 years tenure at 2% per annum total interest for 5 years for car loan is 10% or 10k monthly installment = 1833, first year installment total = 22k u need to takeout money from FD to pay for installment monthly, after 1 year FD left = 100k + 3k interest - 22k installment = 81k, in fact the figure will be even lesser because u pay installment monthly and u wont get the full 3k interest after 2 year, FD left = 81k +2430 -22k = 61430 after 3 year, FD left = 61430 +1843 -22k = 41273 after 4 year, FD left = 41273 +1238 -22k = 20511 after 5 year, FD left = 20511 +615 -22k = -974 if u dont understand the above calculation, good luck for your financial planning |
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 18 2025, 09:34 AM) IYKYK, arguing with financial illiterates is pointless Optizorb liked this post
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 18 2025, 09:44 AM) say u have 100k i think some miss understanding here... instead of paying the 100k cash to buy a car, u decided to put in FD at 3% per annum (at 1 month tenure renewable for easy withdrawal if required) and take a car loan of 100k at 5 years tenure at 2% per annum total interest for 5 years for car loan is 10% or 10k monthly installment = 1833, first year installment total = 22k u need to takeout money from FD to pay for installment monthly, after 1 year FD left = 100k + 3k interest - 22k installment = 81k, in fact the figure will be even lesser because u pay installment monthly and u wont get the full 3k interest after 2 year, FD left = 81k +2430 -22k = 61430 after 3 year, FD left = 61430 +1843 -22k = 41273 after 4 year, FD left = 41273 +1238 -22k = 20511 after 5 year, FD left = 20511 +615 -22k = -974 if u dont understand the above calculation, good luck for your financial planning why do you want to take out from FD to pay loan??? |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 09:46 AM) what if now, i borrow 100k to bank with interest rate 3% per annum for 5 years? What is borrow 100k TO bank? U mean take a 100k personal loan FROM bank with monthly repayment?using the same calculator.. what is the EIR :confused: should we compare like that ka since both also per annum term This post has been edited by MGM: Jun 18 2025, 09:54 AM |
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i think everyone is miss understood each other...
today i hv salary RM4k i can pay loan without any down payment and without using any of my saving. and yet i hv 100k in bank with interest rate 4.5% per annum enough to buy cash for the car.... so question is paid fully better or pay installment better with installment rate 2.8% per annum? This post has been edited by stevenlee: Jun 18 2025, 10:21 AM |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 10:20 AM) i think everyone is miss understood each other... Pay cash better because your HP EIR will be double thattoday i hv salary RM4k i can pay loan without any down payment and without using any of my saving. and yet i hv 100k in bank with interest rate 4.5% per annum enough to buy cash for the car.... so question is paid fully better or pay installment better with installment rate 2.8% per annum? |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 18 2025, 09:44 AM) say u have 100k I understand, but my point is if I can still pay off the monthly installment using my salary, why sacrifice the money which can be use to generate income? Based on your example if you are paying the 100K instead of putting it in FD, then you will see the different.instead of paying the 100k cash to buy a car, u decided to put in FD at 3% per annum (at 1 month tenure renewable for easy withdrawal if required) and take a car loan of 100k at 5 years tenure at 2% per annum total interest for 5 years for car loan is 10% or 10k monthly installment = 1833, first year installment total = 22k u need to takeout money from FD to pay for installment monthly, after 1 year FD left = 100k + 3k interest - 22k installment = 81k, in fact the figure will be even lesser because u pay installment monthly and u wont get the full 3k interest after 2 year, FD left = 81k +2430 -22k = 61430 after 3 year, FD left = 61430 +1843 -22k = 41273 after 4 year, FD left = 41273 +1238 -22k = 20511 after 5 year, FD left = 20511 +615 -22k = -974 if u dont understand the above calculation, good luck for your financial planning Keep Cash:- End of year interest 1 100,000.00 3 3,000.00 103,000.00 2 103,000.00 3 3,090.00 106,090.00 3 106,090.00 3 3,182.70 109,272.70 4 109,272.70 3 3,278.18 112,550.88 5 112,550.88 3 3,376.53 115,927.41 Total 15,927.41 Pay Cash:- End of year interest 1 0.00 3 0.00 0.00 2 22,000.00 3 660.00 22,660.00 3 44,660.00 3 1,339.80 45,999.80 4 67,999.80 3 2,039.99 70,039.79 5 92,039.79 3 2,761.19 94,800.99 6 116,800.99 3 3,504.03 120,305.02 Total 10,305.02 This post has been edited by jasontoh: Jun 18 2025, 10:57 AM |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 18 2025, 10:50 AM) I understand, but my point is if I can still pay off the monthly installment using my salary, why sacrifice the money which can be use to generate income? Based on your example if you are paying the 100K instead of putting it in FD, then you will see the different. u still dont understand. if u pay the 100k in full, u will not need to pay installment monthlythe 1833 u pay per month as installment can now be put into FD every month 5 years later, u will get total FD of 120k inclusive of interest 3% per annum |
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 02:55 PM) Savvy owners do not agree.lol fongsk liked this post
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 18 2025, 10:57 AM) u still dont understand. if u pay the 100k in full, u will not need to pay installment monthly I understand, thus I do the calculation in excel and copy over based on your scenario. In fact, if you already spend that cash, your 1st year most probably generate you 0 income or less (assuming 1 month FD requires min 5K).the 1833 u pay per month as installment can now be put into FD every month 5 years later, u will get total FD of 120k inclusive of interest 3% per annum |
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Brb, asking my company accountant and auditor. Why ask me take loan and not paid full
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 18 2025, 11:29 AM) Hehe, one should just buy that EV and enjoy while it last. Can recycle is at the end of its useable life. If one keep calculating (buy cash / loan / FD, etc), then one might not even have enough money to begin with. |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 10:20 AM) i think everyone is miss understood each other... Car price = RM 100,000.00today i hv salary RM4k i can pay loan without any down payment and without using any of my saving. and yet i hv 100k in bank with interest rate 4.5% per annum enough to buy cash for the car.... so question is paid fully better or pay installment better with installment rate 2.8% per annum? Loan = RM 100,000.00 Tenure = 9 years (108 months) Bank Interest rate (p.a) = 2.8% EIR = 5.16% which makes total loan = RM 125,200.00 Monthly repayment = RM 1159.56 Fixed Deposit = 4.5% (generous) per annum / 3% (conservative) per annum Lock in Period = 9 years (Placement initial placement of 100k) - Principal & Interest Earn (to roll throughout lock in period) Maturity after 9 years = RM149,816.72 (4.5%) RM130,952.31 (3%) After 9 years you make a small profit of RM 24,616.72 (4.5%) TLDR I think placing money in FD and taking loan to pay slowly would be better as cash is king and you never know when you need money |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 10:20 AM) i think everyone is miss understood each other... If only ppl are literate enough to know that 2.8% pa for hire purchase is more than 5% effective ratetoday i hv salary RM4k i can pay loan without any down payment and without using any of my saving. and yet i hv 100k in bank with interest rate 4.5% per annum enough to buy cash for the car.... so question is paid fully better or pay installment better with installment rate 2.8% per annum? Optizorb, max_cavalera, and 1 other liked this post
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 15 2025, 03:20 PM) We use 2.8%pa as HP interest rate for reference. SPY, QQQ, VOO all close 1 eye, no need to check also get free money.After 9 years of repayment, the effective interest rate is actually 5.15%pa. So if one can constantly get 6% return pa from the cash he saved, that's only 0.85% of gain. When EPF also cannot guarantee min 6% over a 9 year span. |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 10:20 AM) i think everyone is miss understood each other... Nobody's misunderstanding anyone. Those who think taking a car loan with 2.8% interest rate is better compared to dumping existing FD savings with 4-5% interest rate to buy the car in cash because "car lian has lower interest rate" simple don't know anything about the actual cost of the car loan aka effective interest rate. today i hv salary RM4k i can pay loan without any down payment and without using any of my saving. and yet i hv 100k in bank with interest rate 4.5% per annum enough to buy cash for the car.... so question is paid fully better or pay installment better with installment rate 2.8% per annum? The only good about taking car loan vs buying with cash is you are not so immediately affected if there's an emergency that requires a lump sump of money if you don't have enough cash after buying the car in cash. Optizorb liked this post
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 18 2025, 09:00 AM) At same time 4% FD is also not TRUE INTEREST also, it will be more. Yr money will be more & more if u not take any interest yearly. .If U take loan RM84,000@3.4% per annum= U have to pay RM103,992 after 7 years If u invest RM84,000@4% FD= U will have RM111091 after 7 years Loan =/= Deposit Loan is a liability. Deposit is an asset. Many people have huge bank loans, eg car and house loans taken by young workers. Not many people have huge FD or money savings of RM100k or more in banks.. So, knowing the Effective Interest Rate for bank car loans is more important than for bank deposits, eg the deposits can dwindle when buying stuffs. For bank deposits, it's more important for the depositors to not be scammed by dubious investment schemes that offer EFI that is too good to be true. Eg, ....... https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...investment-scam - Company manager loses over RM1.7mil to investment scam - 17 June 2025 JOHOR BARU: A 67-year-old company manager has lost more than RM1.7mil to a bogus online investment promising daily returns of up to 10%. Johor police chief Comm Datuk M. Kumar said the victim came across the scheme in April. "His mobile phone number was added to a WhatsApp group named 'C-10 Freeman Saham 17'. “The group promoted a stock investment scheme that claimed to offer daily returns of 5% to 10%, based on market performance. "Enticed by the promise of high profits, the man began making fund transgers,” he said here on Tuesday (June 17). Comm Kumar added that from April 16 to May 30, the victim made 12 bank transfers totalling over RM1.7mil to five bank accounts believed to be controlled by a syndicate. ... . |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 18 2025, 10:57 AM) u still dont understand. if u pay the 100k in full, u will not need to pay installment monthly .the 1833 u pay per month as installment can now be put into FD every month 5 years later, u will get total FD of 120k inclusive of interest 3% per annum Today, few young workers have RM100k to buy a new car in cash = they need to get a car loan from bank to buy a new car. For them to save up RM100k may take them >20 years. ....... Similarly for them buying their 1st home. That's why the major banks in Malaysia earn profits of >RM4 billion yearly. In pre-1980, most young workers could save money for 2-3 years to buy a new car in cash for about RM8k. Then they could save for another 5-6 years to buy a small home in cash for RM20k. Post-1992 and today, it's impossible. ....... https://www.facebook.com/aurizn/posts/blast...56354707711080/ - Aurizn 14 August 2019 · Blast from the Past! Car prices in Malaysia, 1975 😊 . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jun 18 2025, 03:48 PM |
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Jun 18 2025, 04:09 AM) LMFAO at these 2 retards thinking they can outsmart banks.. Very hard to outsmart bank, even the FD promo rate also cannot exceed 4% nowadays, most only about 3.7-3.9%. Diuniaseng if so simple like this banks will pokgai long ago dy la You think you some genius is it. When in reality you just announced to the world you dont know shit about finances.. Before anything else. Just think for a moment with your two brain cells. Answer this truthfully: you really think you smarter than banks?? My emas loan is 2.32% flat rate, EIR is about 4.39%, FD promo rate is about 3.75% only. The only thing i can justify is taking loan will have higher cash savings for emergency/investment QUOTE(katijar @ Jun 18 2025, 05:46 AM) ada business tak nak buat mehif lelong and price difference, the person has to tanggung all also. This post has been edited by yhtan: Jun 18 2025, 05:00 PM Optizorb liked this post
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 11:38 AM) QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 12:29 PM) .Post below fyi, ie if you have the cash, it's often better to pay cash than to get a bank loan when buying a car or house = instead invest the cash in riskier instruments for >6% annual returns, eg can get "burned", eg FTX crypto exchange, Neta Auto, etc goes bankrupt, World Recession/Stock Market Crash, etc. Similarly for those who took out their FD to make high risk investments for better ROI of >6% annually. Personally, I go for safe "investments", eg FD, EPF and properties = no need an accountant or financial consultant who is not responsible even if he/she loses all your money. ....... Anyway, a prudent wife can usually be trusted as a "financial consultant". . QUOTE((yhtan @ Jun 18 2025, 03:31 PM) Very hard to outsmart bank, even the FD promo rate also cannot exceed 4% nowadays, most only about 3.7-3.9%. .My emas loan is 2.32% flat rate, EIR is about 4.39%, FD promo rate is about 3.75% only. The only thing i can justify is taking loan will ease your cash flow and higher cash savings. ada business tak nak buat meh if lelong and price difference, the person has to tanggung all also. |
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 18 2025, 09:00 AM) At same time 4% FD is also not TRUE INTEREST also, it will be more. Yr money will be more & more if u not take any interest yearly. dei bodoh, then you take loan no need repay back the loan is it?? the money to repay the loan drop from the sky??If U take loan RM84,000@3.4% per annum= U have to pay RM103,992 after 7 years If u invest RM84,000@4% FD= U will have RM111091 after 7 years if you take it out from FD then amount will go lower and lower la dungu and your FD interest is impossible to be higher than your car loan's interest, OMG man, so many people here got finances like a 5 year old. EDIT: Imma just put this here early. Because I know what retards like you punya line of thinking is.. You will say you dont touch the FD as you pay the car loan back using your salary. So it's "free" money.. Similarly, if one DOES NOT take loan and pay the car in cash. They have no monthly payment, so whatever excess can then be used to put in FD. It is the same situation of using monthly salary. Just that one goes to pay off the car loan, the other goes to saving in FD. and as we have clearly established earlier, it is quite impossible to get FD that is higher than a car loan's EIR. The only scenario i can think of is if you are a bank staff where you can get car loan at staff rate of around 1~1.5% (EIR around 2~3%).. ONLY THEN will it be possible to have FD that will be higher than car loan's EIR.. This post has been edited by Optizorb: Jun 18 2025, 04:49 PM yhtan liked this post
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topkek ktards arguing until 13pages 9 years loan or not
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 18 2025, 03:31 PM) Very hard to outsmart bank, even the FD promo rate also cannot exceed 4% nowadays, most only about 3.7-3.9%. that's why.. so many sei sohais here grossly overestimated their smartass-ness, thinking they are somehow smarter than banks wor...My emas loan is 2.32% flat rate, EIR is about 4.39%, FD promo rate is about 3.75% only. The only thing i can justify is taking loan will ease your cash flow and higher cash savings. Can you imagine how cringe it is they had a "light bulb" moment and then they think wahh im damn smart i can earn more than the bank loans me !!!!! ** then proceeds to pat their own backs ** Damn fucking cringe. It's thanks to these sei sohais banks and bank shareholders able to make YOY profit growth This post has been edited by Optizorb: Jun 18 2025, 04:46 PM |
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 15 2025, 02:50 PM) Using BYD Atto 3 take 9 Year Full Loan (0 deposit) & 2.8% interest Why the reduction in loan every month increase? Means first year he pay less then final year he pay more? What kind of idiot is this taking this type of sohai loan?Car value Loan balance Year 0: RM149,800 RM149,800 Year 1: RM100,000 RM134,700 Year 2: RM78,000 Rm119,300 Year 3: RM54,000 RM103,500 Year 4: RM38,000 RM87,000 Year 5: RM30,000 RM71,000 Padan muka poorfeg |
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 18 2025, 09:00 AM) At same time 4% FD is also not TRUE INTEREST also, it will be more. Yr money will be more & more if u not take any interest yearly. the problem is this, if already have 100k and if car loan is 100k:If U take loan RM84,000@3.4% per annum= U have to pay RM103,992 after 7 years If u invest RM84,000@4% FD= U will have RM111091 after 7 years let's take for example 2.85% p.a. car hire purchase and 7 years period. Total paid in the end around 120k so got 2 option, keep 100k in bank or paid it off all First scenario: Pay the car off, then you pay 1428 per month (just like when paying the car monthly loans) and the savings account keep compound it with interest. Need to remember the 1428 already includes 20% in it, so the money actually compound twice: 20% hire purchase interest compounds to another interest rate Second scenario: the 100k starts to compound for total 7 years in the account. But need to remember the second scenario the 100k needs to compound for few years before it reaches the base of 120k that it chases on the first scenario. That's why people here keep pointing to the "effective rate". But no use if you have no discipline to constantly put in the money yourself lor This post has been edited by terradrive: Jun 18 2025, 05:15 PM |
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Jun 18 2025, 04:45 PM) that's why.. so many sei sohais here grossly overestimated their smartass-ness, thinking they are somehow smarter than banks wor... From month to month when u repay HP Loan, the amount is slowly reducing and no way the return can be higher. Can you imagine how cringe it is they had a "light bulb" moment and then they think wahh im damn smart i can earn more than the bank loans me !!!!! ** then proceeds to pat their own backs ** Damn fucking cringe. It's thanks to these sei sohais banks and bank shareholders able to make YOY profit growth Let say u take HP for the car for 100k, after repay RM5k monthly instalment Month 1 owe bank - 95k Month 2 owe bank - 90k Slowly your cash is lower month by month |
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Oct 10 2023, 03:20 PM) . https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=108293530 - Housing loan is scarySeems, the Rule Of 78 is still being applied by Malaysian banks for long term housing loans. ....... https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/ruleof78.asp - Rule of 78: Definition, How Lenders Use It, and Calculation By CAROLINE BANTON Updated March 06, 2021 Reviewed by THOMAS J. CATALANO What Is the Rule of 78? The Rule of 78 is a method used by some lenders to calculate interest charges on a loan. The Rule of 78 requires the borrower to pay a greater portion of interest in the earlier part of a loan cycle, which decreases the potential savings for the borrower in paying off their loan. ... In 1992, the legislation made this type of financing illegal for loans in the United States with a duration of greater than 61 months. .... . QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 5 2024, 05:04 PM) . https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109676623 - Why so many K/ here said Buy House is bank Scam? Fyi, ....... https://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/h...-the-rule-of-78 - This Is How Banks Fooled (or Scammed) You With the Rule of 78 - 24 May 2021 = eg when you pay down your bank home loan early, eg by using your EPF Acct 2. . QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 11:38 AM) QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 18 2025, 12:29 PM) .My reposts above fyi, ie best to avoid refinancing or do partial settlement with cash for a car or house loan during the first few years of monthly repayment because most of the monthly repayment during the 1st few years are for interest payments, not for payment on the principal loan. . |
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 18 2025, 04:59 PM) From month to month when u repay HP Loan, the amount is slowly reducing and no way the return can be higher. Coz they are confused about two different things.Let say u take HP for the car for 100k, after repay RM5k monthly instalment Month 1 owe bank - 95k Month 2 owe bank - 90k Slowly your cash is lower month by month 1. Car loan works on EIR basis. So the 2.x% eventually ends up to 4-5% depending. 2. 100k in FD at 4% returns more - possibly but you must first have 100k in bank and keep it for 7 years. 3. If you keep 100k in bank, that means you don't have a car. 4. If you get a car and pay using that 100k, you won't have the entirety of the 100k to compound for 7 years, so the math at No. 3 no longer applies. I'm not sure why they think somehow if you put 100k in bank account then they don't need to service the loan. And if you are not using the 100k to service the loan, why need to be concerned over the 100k in FD or not? The only argument to make is that you have better cashflow which carries an opportunity cost if you use it to service the loan, maybe you can't pay your CC debt, you can't so starbucks or pump Ron97 etc. yhtan liked this post
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 18 2025, 05:06 PM) Coz they are confused about two different things. they argue that while keeping the 100k as FD and bought a car and taking 100k loan, they use their own monthly salary to pay for the loan installment, clever isn't it, got car, got FD, win win1. Car loan works on EIR basis. So the 2.x% eventually ends up to 4-5% depending. 2. 100k in FD at 4% returns more - possibly but you must first have 100k in bank and keep it for 7 years. 3. If you keep 100k in bank, that means you don't have a car. 4. If you get a car and pay using that 100k, you won't have the entirety of the 100k to compound for 7 years, so the math at No. 3 no longer applies. I'm not sure why they think somehow if you put 100k in bank account then they don't need to service the loan. And if you are not using the 100k to service the loan, why need to be concerned over the 100k in FD or not? The only argument to make is that you have better cashflow which carries an opportunity cost if you use it to service the loan, maybe you can't pay your CC debt, you can't so starbucks or pump Ron97 etc. |
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jun 15 2025, 02:58 PM) only fools will take 9 year loan to buy EV car So ur saying that taking 9 year loan on an ICE car is fine then?shows the person does not understand the concept of EV car. if can't afford EV car, should not buy. etan26 liked this post
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 18 2025, 04:52 PM) So who is this guy who thinks its wortth 30k after 5 year?He can predict future ah? Why dont he preditc its 10k only? So after 5 years the car still 50k he mah piak piak his own face? Really amazed at how got so many “predicters” in malaysia. So good in predicting dont see him buy btc and be rich pun instead do so many sohai content for attention. True storeyz |
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QUOTE(beetch @ Jun 18 2025, 08:18 PM) So who is this guy who thinks its wortth 30k after 5 year? Many EV owners here already reported no market value for their car so gotta use pakai buang mentalityHe can predict future ah? Why dont he preditc its 10k only? So after 5 years the car still 50k he mah piak piak his own face? Really amazed at how got so many “predicters” in malaysia. So good in predicting dont see him buy btc and be rich pun instead do so many sohai content for attention. True storeyz Hence for that guy to report some market value is already giving face! |
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 19 2025, 09:42 AM) Many EV owners here already reported no market value for their car so gotta use pakai buang mentality A few said .... sudah become many ...adui and after 9 years ICE or EV also almost zero liawHence for that guy to report some market value is already giving face! This post has been edited by etan26: Jun 19 2025, 09:46 AM |
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aiya masa on tahun 0 no kecoh also bunga ma wah new car woh geng ah
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There are cheap cars in MY.. why must you stretch yourself to get a car with loan
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people buy EV think to save petrol... but they spend more on tayar any modification to car rim, potential affect the total millage use... worry more where to find charger... low resell value... high insurance coverage .... why wanna save petrol to hv so many negative??? This post has been edited by stevenlee: Jun 19 2025, 10:06 AM lurkingaround liked this post
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Buy EV still see resale value?
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 19 2025, 09:42 AM) Many EV owners here already reported no market value for their car so gotta use pakai buang mentality siapa cakap no market value, even Proton Emas 7 one year car selling at RM60-70k, i'm sure there will be buyer for it. Even left 10-20% of ori price pun ada market value.Hence for that guy to report some market value is already giving face! |
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 19 2025, 10:06 AM) people buy EV think to save petrol... Some got Home Solar system, so it's almost Free fuel. Each month can save like RM300-400 petrol bill, satisfied you?but they spend more on tayar any modification to car rim, potential affect the total millage use... worry more where to find charger... low resell value... high insurance coverage .... why wanna save petrol to hv so many negative??? |
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Jun 19 2025, 10:47 AM) I doubt so, the EV depreciation will be higher than conti car and ICE car for sure. Maybe it reach until a bottom price of 20-40%, i'm sure there will be demand for it.Let say u buy emas 7 and atto 3 at RM120k, used about 2-3 years, then sell RM50-60k, i'm sure there will be buyer for it. gahpadu liked this post
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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jun 19 2025, 10:53 AM) Some got Home Solar system, so it's almost Free fuel. Each month can save like RM300-400 petrol bill, satisfied you? you need to calculate the solar investment as well...i own solar at home..... it take 5-6 years to return the investment... subject to no part dmg or roof leaking... if occurs, further add more cost to installation... still no free fuel..... lurkingaround liked this post
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 19 2025, 11:33 AM) you need to calculate the solar investment as well... Yours old system jor ... i own solar at home..... it take 5-6 years to return the investment... subject to no part dmg or roof leaking... if occurs, further add more cost to installation... still no free fuel..... Mine was 38k ... already ROI 4years 3 months ...so it's Free now..... minimum maintenance for NEM 3.0 |
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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jun 19 2025, 10:53 AM) Some got Home Solar system, so it's almost Free fuel. Each month can save like RM300-400 petrol bill, satisfied you? Home solar also need ROI. You don't add-in home solar today. Buy an EV today and tada enjoy RM300~RM400 petrol bill monthly. Most of the home charger using slow charging mode aka single phase. If house wiring reconfigure with 3phase, the rate is different. In general Home solar generate electricity and auto distribute to grid. But when homeowner use electricity, the electricity is pull in from powerplant. The only clear saving is when the technology of electricity generated can be store for own consumption. lurkingaround liked this post
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water is wet... why need a so called real estate dude to tell you.
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Jun 19 2025, 11:47 AM) Home solar also need ROI. It still does because your ROI will covers your bills. Solar will power your house as long as it can after that it will use the TNB electric.You don't add-in home solar today. Buy an EV today and tada enjoy RM300~RM400 petrol bill monthly. Most of the home charger using slow charging mode aka single phase. If house wiring reconfigure with 3phase, the rate is different. In general Home solar generate electricity and auto distribute to grid. But when homeowner use electricity, the electricity is pull in from powerplant. The only clear saving is when the technology of electricity generated can be store for own consumption. You have a misconception there. Only the excess are pass to the grid. Most newer house are 3 phases, can upgrade ma. This post has been edited by etan26: Jun 19 2025, 11:58 AM |
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how they know how much can sell 5 years later? this car not even 5 years, rubbish post by these crappy influencer
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 15 2025, 03:20 PM) You are totally missing the point you guys totally missed the point. It doesnt matter if u take 5 year loan or 9 year loan. If you dont care about resale value, this is what happens, u lose alot of money. Buying a China EV means you dont care about RV. Whether you take 5 year or 9 year loan, u still lose a shit ton of money with china evs Thats why when ppl say buy cars with high RV, got reason one. buying cars especially Contis, and now EVs, mana ada resale value? doesn't matter loan 5 yrs or 9 yrs. your RV value drop like parachuting free fall for the first few years. if u want to experience contis and EVs, buy second hand. party liked this post
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 15 2025, 03:06 PM) 9 years is actually okay for a finance savvy person when the cash you saved is invested and you make sure the returns per annum are more than the interest of the loan, at the end of the tenure you use whatever you generated to pay off the car or used in an emergency. exactly, so much disposable cash from 9y loan + ROIThen again how many Malaysians here are financial savvy only people with poor mindset thinks they're almighty with their 5y loan, so stingy cannot let banks earn that peanut interest. proud EV owner with 9 years loan here, can even get 2 more biji tesla from my current DSR, but meh, waiting for second hand EV so my wife not so sad if she scratched it |
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QUOTE(cooldog_777 @ Jun 19 2025, 12:09 PM) you guys totally missed the point. its 2025 and only Malaysians care so much about RV, as if they can afford to change car every 3-5 years. (if you can, tepuk tanggan!)buying cars especially Contis, and now EVs, mana ada resale value? doesn't matter loan 5 yrs or 9 yrs. your RV value drop like parachuting free fall for the first few years. if u want to experience contis and EVs, buy second hand. Only Malaysians rather sit in a car that they dont like cause of RV, jamming away lifelessly in traffic everyday when going to work. If I wanna jam or go to work, I'd rather jam in a car I love. (Disclaimer: buying cars without RV only applies to people who doesnt car about RV, if you care, dont butthurt my comment) |
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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Jun 19 2025, 12:18 PM) exactly, so much disposable cash from 9y loan + ROI Also. Those with alot of income who can very well afford to buy a car right off the bat, better to just take a long loan for a car and don't get the eye of lhdn audit. So this is actually a smarter move. Unless you are the type who keep changing cars then you aren't that financial savvy liauonly people with poor mindset thinks they're almighty with their 5y loan, so stingy cannot let banks earn that peanut interest. proud EV owner with 9 years loan here, can even get 2 more biji tesla from my current DSR, but meh, waiting for second hand EV so my wife not so sad if she scratched it |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 19 2025, 01:32 PM) Also. Those with alot of income who can very well afford to buy a car right off the bat, better to just take a long loan for a car and don't get the eye of lhdn audit. So this is actually a smarter move. Unless you are the type who keep changing cars then you aren't that financial savvy liau Only if you purchase car for business use |
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 15 2025, 03:20 PM) You are totally missing the point Rv =/= cars should never be in the same sentence IMHO.It doesnt matter if u take 5 year loan or 9 year loan. If you dont care about resale value, this is what happens, u lose alot of money. Buying a China EV means you dont care about RV. Whether you take 5 year or 9 year loan, u still lose a shit ton of money with china evs Thats why when ppl say buy cars with high RV, got reason one. Cars are a liability and a depreciating asset. You just make sure you buy a car from a reputable company. This is where my problem is.... Almost all the reputable companies are hit with scandal after scandal. Honda with their steering rack issue |
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QUOTE(cooldog_777 @ Jun 19 2025, 12:09 PM) you guys totally missed the point. U have totally missed the whole point. buying cars especially Contis, and now EVs, mana ada resale value? doesn't matter loan 5 yrs or 9 yrs. your RV value drop like parachuting free fall for the first few years. if u want to experience contis and EVs, buy second hand. If u are gonna buy a car with poor RV, make sure u buy one which puts a smile on ur face and its well respected by others. What for u buy a junk China car which doesnt even drive well and nobody respects on the road? Whenever i see a China car on the road, i am giggling quietly at how dumb the owner can be on spending a few hundred K for a junk car U wanna buy a poor RV car, at least la buy Merc or BMW or Porsche. All these brands drive so well and its well respected by everyone. Even when u lose so much money when u sell it, at least u can say to urself that this car has served me so well and everytime i drive it, i am smiling. U understand my point? lurkingaround and knwong liked this post
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 19 2025, 01:47 PM) U have totally missed the whole point. don't ever look down on China cars. If u are gonna buy a car with poor RV, make sure u buy one which puts a smile on ur face and its well respected by others. What for u buy a junk China car which doesnt even drive well and nobody respects on the road? Whenever i see a China car on the road, i am giggling quietly at how dumb the owner can be on spending a few hundred K for a junk car U wanna buy a poor RV car, at least la buy Merc or BMW or Porsche. All these brands drive so well and its well respected by everyone. Even when u lose so much money when u sell it, at least u can say to urself that this car has served me so well and everytime i drive it, i am smiling. U understand my point? even Lee Kuan Yew, 20 years ago said, dont ever look down on China cars. They will eventually dominate the world. China cars surprisingly not bad. look at their MPVs. even western reviewers said its a moving bungalow. Anyway junk or not junk it depends on individual. you might say China car is junk. many conti owners also say contis are junk. Buying cars is depends on luck. At the end of the day, buy a car you love and can afford. etan26 liked this post
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QUOTE(cooldog_777 @ Jun 19 2025, 02:01 PM) don't ever look down on China cars. Which ccp cars or MPVs make you excited?even Lee Kuan Yew, 20 years ago said, dont ever look down on China cars. They will eventually dominate the world. China cars surprisingly not bad. look at their MPVs. even western reviewers said its a moving bungalow. Anyway junk or not junk it depends on individual. you might say China car is junk. many conti owners also say contis are junk. Buying cars is depends on luck. At the end of the day, buy a car you love and can afford. This post has been edited by knwong: Jun 19 2025, 05:52 PM |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 19 2025, 05:29 PM) buying car with low interest rates for 9 years effectively equivalent to negative interest rates with inflation rates so high .the 2k installment u pay per month probably equivalent t0 1k in term of purchasing power 9 years later But why buy a new EV car when comparable ICE-V car is so much cheaper, esp after 1 Jan 2026 and 1 Jan 2028 when no more EV tax exemption in Malaysia for new CBU and CKD EV cars respectively.? Compared to new EV cars, new ICE-V cars are value for money and have good resale value when needed. On top of that, most new CCP China EV cars are junk = poor quality, and may go bankrupt at any time within those 9 years. . |
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People say buy car dont look at resale value. Buy that damn car, use it until it's old enough for you to just abandon it at the roadside.
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 19 2025, 05:29 PM) buying car with low interest rates for 9 years effectively equivalent to negative interest rates with inflation rates so high Ya another way of seeing it but no la won't be so low , probably around equal worth 2.5k+ 9yrs laterthe 2k installment u pay per month probably equivalent t0 1k in term of purchasing power 9 years later |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 19 2025, 05:29 PM) buying car with low interest rates for 9 years effectively equivalent to negative interest rates with inflation rates so high i think the recent tesla interest rate 0/0/48/0.88% promo is too good. take for 9 years and inflation itself will mean ur monthly payment value goes down, hence cheaper car.the 2k installment u pay per month probably equivalent t0 1k in term of purchasing power 9 years later max_cavalera, yhtan, and 1 other liked this post
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2025, 05:45 PM) . Resale value blablabla But why buy a new EV car when comparable ICE-V car is so much cheaper, esp after 1 Jan 2026 and 1 Jan 2028 when no more EV tax exemption in Malaysia for new CBU and CKD EV cars respectively.? Compared to new EV cars, new ICE-V cars are value for money and have good resale value when needed. On top of that, most new CCP China EV cars are junk = poor quality, and may go bankrupt at any time within those 9 years. . Ppl go vacation overseas to enjoy yearly spending 20k each time u got ask them why go lah see photos videos enough lah save the money I spend 20k for installment yearly and i can enjoy the car everyday. Mine is a Tesla, btw Poorfaq worry about rv better buy 20 years old junk Kancil sure won't rugi |
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Jun 19 2025, 06:09 PM) i think the recent tesla interest rate 0/0/48/0.88% promo is too good. take for 9 years and inflation itself will mean ur monthly payment value goes down, hence cheaper car. .Promo for CKD Wuling Bingo EV is even better - it will be coming to Malaysia in Q4 2025. Price in CCP China is 60,000 Yuan = RM36k only. Price in Malaysia should be about RM50k, but only until 1 Jan 2028. RM50k car loan at 3% > RM181k car loan at 0%, ....... https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/754005 - Tan Chong introduces China’s Wuling EVs, gets nod for local semi-assembly - 5 May 2025 But still can't beat the "promo" for Perodua Axia 1.0l = RM24k. . |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 19 2025, 08:11 PM) Resale value blablabla I'm deciding btw tesla, beemer or just go for the sealion.Ppl go vacation overseas to enjoy yearly spending 20k each time u got ask them why go lah see photos videos enough lah save the money I spend 20k for installment yearly and i can enjoy the car everyday. Mine is a Tesla, btw Poorfaq worry about rv better buy 20 years old junk Kancil sure won't rugi |
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QUOTE(DM3 @ Jun 15 2025, 03:02 PM) That is why our road is full of cars, landed prop cars parking roadside, apartments never have enough parking lots, park on public road side. Old junk >10 yrs on the road, Mekanik bawah pokok all over.From late 90s dy said 9yrs HP is dumb, ad instalment big big cuma rm499 per month in billboard was a joke then 25+ years today, the treand is not instalment its how much you willing to pay (rent) a car use per month. Net negative This post has been edited by jojolicia: Jun 19 2025, 10:05 PM |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 19 2025, 08:11 PM) Resale value blablabla .Ppl go vacation overseas to enjoy yearly spending 20k each time u got ask them why go lah see photos videos enough lah save the money I spend 20k for installment yearly and i can enjoy the car everyday. Mine is a Tesla, btw Poorfaq worry about rv better buy 20 years old junk Kancil sure won't rugi Kecian, you couldn't go on annual RM20k vacation overseas for 9 years after buying your Tesla M3 (= RM181k). If you had bought the comparable Proton S70 ICE-V car (= RM74k) instead, you could have gone on RM20k vacation overseas on alternate years. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jun 19 2025, 10:04 PM |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 19 2025, 09:59 PM) All good. My neighbour bought 2 biji ix2 after install solar for him and his waifu. They are BMW fansie as the previous 2 cars are 320 and X something. .So, you and 'ifourtos' are solar panel installers = EV lovers.? . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Jun 19 2025, 10:14 PM |
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2025, 10:00 PM) . Poorfaq mentality thinking other just like u can only have money to do 1 thing. Owai u can do neither Kecian, you couldn't go on annual RM20k vacation overseas for 9 years after buying your Tesla M3 (= RM181k). If you had bought the comparable Proton S70 ICE-V car (= RM74k) instead, you could have gone on RM20k vacation overseas on alternate years. . |
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jun 19 2025, 09:57 PM) That is why our road is full of cars, landed prop cars parking roadside, apartments never have enough parking lots, park on public road side. Old junk >10 yrs on the road, Mekanik bawah pokok all over. Actually leasing EV is a better approach since the car depreciate so much. From late 90s dy said 9yrs HP is dumb, ad instalment big big cuma rm499 per month in billboard was a joke then 25+ years today, the treand is not instalment its how much you willing to pay (rent) a car use per month. Net negative At the end of lease just return or sign a new lease for newer model (CCP release new models every few months) |
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Jun 20 2025, 08:00 AM
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beli dulu, pay later with months of late payment, repo guy come kasi bakar
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After I sell my non-EV.... I also still owe bank alot.... apa mahu logik sangat.... |
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 19 2025, 10:00 PM) . Orang kaya raya . . . no problemo every 6 months vacation pun boleh.Kecian, you couldn't go on annual RM20k vacation overseas for 9 years after buying your Tesla M3 (= RM181k). If you had bought the comparable Proton S70 ICE-V car (= RM74k) instead, you could have gone on RM20k vacation overseas on alternate years. . |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 20 2025, 11:29 AM) The trend janji bergaya and most importantly no string attached (in HP, same wheels set boring)Probably, I may only need to bergaya over 8/12 pa and I can change my wheels set anytime of the year |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 19 2025, 08:11 PM) Resale value blablabla Kesian go holoday 3 days then balik drive kancil everydayPpl go vacation overseas to enjoy yearly spending 20k each time u got ask them why go lah see photos videos enough lah save the money I spend 20k for installment yearly and i can enjoy the car everyday. Mine is a Tesla, btw Poorfaq worry about rv better buy 20 years old junk Kancil sure won't rugi At least some stuck in a proper car daily. |
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The car trap: how owners are forced into debt
4 hours ago Rosli Khan Federal and state budgets have consistently favoured roads over rail, with public transport often underfunded. https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...orced-into-debt |
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