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TSRT8081
post Jun 14 2025, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Jun 14 2025, 03:04 PM)
Noob also how to make such mistake
It's not /k flying the plane 😆

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Kenot simply press flap lol. Have u flown 787 or not ? Pilots gonna laff at you

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 02:24 PM)
There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well

So yeah Kevin talking out of his ass again
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Thats why, before debating with me, go get more information first. Dont come here talk cock “oh its impossible to retract the flaps until a certain altitude”

Anything that is created by humans can anytime have errors or flaws . A great example for that inexperienced mind of yours would be “mcas”

No system created by humans is perfect especially not with Air India who has such a poor track record in aircraft maintenance .

Even Tesla with so called autopilot system also can crash la stupid.

So yeah, i hope after u have a good time with your gay buddy Kevin, pls go and research harder and get back to me


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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:07 PM)
Kenot simply press flap lol. Have u flown 787 or not ? Pilots gonna laff at you
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In India, anything is possible. You know how much alcohol they drink a day?
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:15 PM)
In India, anything is possible. You know how much alcohol they drink a day?
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You cannot fly plane without medical certicate from doc for every flight (long haul).

If u dont belip, ask a pilot friend
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:18 PM)
You cannot fly plane without medical certicate from doc for every flight (long haul).

If u dont belip, ask a pilot friend
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What is stopping them from drinking after they have obtained approval from doc?

If u hv been to india, u would know how they operate

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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:21 PM)
What is stopping them from drinking after they have obtained approval from doc?

If u hv been to india, u would know how they operate
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Medical cert obtained on the same flight day. You kenot drink mabuk without passing security.

Dont be stupid, kevin.
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post Jun 14 2025, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 13 2025, 02:10 PM)
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News video of the plane crash shows the landing gear not retracted soon after lift off = the plane started to gradually descend from about 600ft  before crashing onto the ground with the landing gear extended.
....... Why was the landing gear not retracted soon after lift off.? airplane got problem.?

UPDATE: https://nypost.com/2025/06/12/world-news/sh...ore-it-crashed/ - Shocking video reportedly shows power failures inside Air India plane hours before it crashed: ‘Nothing is working’
By Anthony Blair
Published June 12, 2025, 2:55 p.m. ET


https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/ai...0262-2025-06-13 - Air India crash: Flight AI171 flew with extended gear, retracted flaps; Experts analyse what went wrong
According to early visual analysis, the Dreamliner failed to follow normal flight configuration shortly after liftoff
- Jun 13, 2025 10:08 AM IST


https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=45530 - SEPTEMBER 2013  Harvard Business School CASE COLLECTION
Boeing 787: More Electric Architecture

Abstract:

The "more electric architecture" of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner represented a significant shift in the design of secondary power systems for commercial aircraft, compared to traditional designs that employed a mix of hydraulic, pneumatic, and electrical power. While the design promised improved fuel efficiency and lower operating costs, competitor Airbus was critical of some of the changes Boeing made. The case offers students the opportunity to understand the motivations and key enablers for the shift, and consider whether the approach is more risky than one taken by Airbus[ with its A350XWB .

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 13 2025, 02:31 PM)
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Fyi, .......

Gemini AI Overview

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner utilizes a "more electric" architecture, meaning it relies heavily on electricity to power various systems instead of traditional pneumatic or hydraulic systems. This shift towards electricity enhances fuel efficiency and reduces maintenance needs, making it a more environmentally friendly and cost-effective aircraft.

Key features of the 787's all-electric system:
- Bleed-less Air System:
The 787 eliminates the need for bleed air from the engines, which is traditionally used to power various systems like engine start and wing de-icing.
- Electric Power Generation and Distribution:
The 787 generates electricity using the engines and distributes it to different systems via more efficient power distribution units.
- Hydraulic and Pneumatic System Replacement:
Many systems previously powered by hydraulics and pneumatics are now powered by electricity.
- Benefits of the More Electric System:
Reduced Weight: Less wiring and the use of more efficient systems lead to a lighter aircraft.
- Improved Fuel Efficiency: The all-electric architecture contributes to the 787's overall fuel efficiency.
- Lower Maintenance Costs: Electric systems are generally easier to maintain than traditional pneumatic or hydraulic systems.

How the 787's more-electric system works: ...


The Air India B787 crashed soon after take-off (from about 600ft) with the landing gear still extended.

AFAP, please avoid flying on the new-fangled B787 "EV".
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 03:01 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://www.aeroinside.com/aircraft-type/b7...87-8-dreamliner - Air safety incidents for Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

= nearly every month, got 1 or 2 safety incidents. Eg .......

American B788 at Miami on Mar 28th 2025, gear problem on departure
Last Update: March 30, 2025 / 19:20:16 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Miami on Nov 6th 2024, gear door problem (on departure)
Last Update: November 13, 2024 / 20:39:12 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Amsterdam on Jan 7th 2025, flap problem on departure
Last Update: January 9, 2025 / 17:17:56 GMT/Zulu time


Also, Ahmedabad afternoon temperature is around 40*C in June/summer = poorer flight performance. .......

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/ai...0262-2025-06-13 - Air India crash: Flight AI171 flew with extended gear, retracted flaps; Experts analyse what went wrong
According to early visual analysis, the Dreamliner failed to follow normal flight configuration shortly after liftoff
- Jun 13, 2025 10:08 AM IST

.... In this case, visuals showed the gear beginning to retract but quickly extending again, possibly in reaction to an unexpected loss of thrust or a power issue.

Experts point to two possible scenarios: either a mechanical or hydraulic failure that kept the landing gear stuck in the down position, or a crew decision to retract the flaps prematurely to offset drag caused by the extended gear. Both situations are highly risky, especially at low altitude and speed, where premature flap retraction could drastically reduce lift and raise the risk of a stall. ...


Why the landing gear not retracted when the airplane had reached 600 feet after takeoff, before it gradually lost altitude until crashing on the ground.???
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:03 PM)
Maintenance issue i supposed.
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Maybe it's due to the new all-electric B787 system, ie somehow there was not enough electrical power to drive the electric motors that drive the hydraulic pumps to retract the very heavy landing gears after takeoff. Normally, an airplane can still fly with the landing gear extended, but if this happens to a B787 operating at its maximum limit, eg full load and hot summer afternoon temperature, it can result in a crash after takeoff.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 03:29 PM)
Maybe it's due to the new all-electric B787 system, ie somehow there was not enough electrical power to drive the electric motors that drive the hydraulic pumps to retract the very heavy landing gears after takeoff. Normally, an airplane can still fly with the landing gear extended, but if this happens to a B787 operating at its maximum limit, eg full load and hot summer afternoon temperature, it can result in a crash after takeoff.
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Yup, my instinct point to plane service record. Did the maintenance crew did not do their job ? Contaminated fuels ?
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:27 PM)
Medical cert obtained on the same flight day. You kenot drink mabuk without passing security.

Dont be stupid, kevin.
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Hahahaha, as i said , its india. Anything is possible dumb dumb. Travel more, seems like u think the whole world is like Singapore
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:34 PM)
Hahahaha, as i said , its india. Anything is possible dumb dumb. Travel more, seems like u think the whole world is like Singapore
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Sigh, no wonder you have a 5 year old child mind. Ok carry one. Ayam no time to stoop to your lebel lol
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:14 PM)
Thats why, before debating with me, go get more information first. Dont come here talk cock “oh its impossible to retract the flaps until a certain altitude”

Anything that is created by humans can anytime have errors or flaws. A great example for that inexperienced mind of yours would be “mcas”

No system created by humans is perfect especially not with Air India who has such a poor track record in aircraft maintenance .

Even Tesla with so called autopilot system also can crash la stupid.

So yeah, i hope after u have a good time with your gay buddy Kevin, pls go and research harder and get back to me
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You want to read back what you posted anot my son?

Your previous post say HIGHLY LIKELY PILOT ERROR

Now you pusing and say is software issue after kena called out? biggrin.gif

But I'm not surprised considering you are someone well known with limited intellectual capacity

QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 13 2025, 09:43 PM)
Highly likely pilot error. The inexperienced co pilot was supposed to retract the gear but he instead retracted the flaps . If you see the cockpit layout of the 787, the flap lever is nearer to the copilot seat while the gear lever is on the captain side.
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Must be due to maintenance issues, they either cut corners or don't know how to maintain the plane properly. 😅
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:27 PM)
Medical cert obtained on the same flight day. You kenot drink mabuk without passing security.

Dont be stupid, kevin.
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AFAIK, pilots have to undergo physical medical check-ups every 6 months, ie to certify they are physically fit to fly, but there is no breathalyser tests for alcoholism or blood tests for drug addiction. Eg diabetes, heart disease, mental disorder, etc disqualify.
....... The above ailments plus hernia, color blindness, short-sightedness, criminal record, etc disqualify a person from becoming a cadet pilot.

Only government/ICAO regulations require pilots to not drink any alcohol 24 hours before flight. This is based on the Honor system, eg no breathalyser tests for "drunk flying" conducted by the airport police. Mabuk pilots are often reported to the authorities by others, eg bc they reeked with the alcohol smell or walked unsteadily. ......

https://www.faa.gov/faq/what-medical-condit...r-disqualifying - What medical conditions does FAA consider disqualifying
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 13 2025, 11:21 AM)
gonna wait for mentour's version
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mentour ball kecut one, wont make any comment until final report
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 03:49 PM)
You want to read back what you posted anot my son?

Your previous post say HIGHLY LIKELY PILOT ERROR

Now you pusing and say is software issue?

But I'm not surprised considering you are someone well known with limited intellectual capacity
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“There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well”

Well, thats what u replied to me. And my response was to your reply saying that there is a system that prevents the pilot from retracting the flaps.

I then said “any system created by humans can have flaws” which means that your so called “safety system which prevents pilots from retracting the flaps until certain altitude can be flawed” and somehow the pilot managed to retract the flaps by mistake bypassing the flawed safety system

Aiyoyo, little boy. U have such poor understanding of the english language that you dont even understand what u typed.

Very embarrassing for u lah. Shows that your intelligence level is far far below me
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:58 PM)
mentour ball kecut one, wont make any comment until final report
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deswai i prefer his version because it based on final report + his opinion instead of speculative noise right now.
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 14 2025, 03:59 PM)
“There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well”

Well, thats what u replied to me. And my response was to your reply saying that there is a system that prevents the pilot from retracting the flaps.

I then said “any system created by humans can have flaws” which means that your so called “safety system which prevents pilots from retracting the flaps until certain altitude can be flawed” and somehow the pilot managed to retract the flaps by mistake bypassing the flawed safety system

Aiyoyo, little boy. U have such poor understanding of the english language that you dont even understand what u typed.

Very embarrassing for u lah. Shows that your intelligence level is far far below me
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Don't try to spin around anymore lah

You are the one who started with "highly likely pilot error"

Now where's your justification and proof for pilot error?

Do you know what is pilot error anot?

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and somehow the pilot managed to retract the flaps by mistake bypassing the flawed safety system


You think bypassing a safety system is as easy as pushing a button ke? You think this is your car can simply turn off safety system?

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 03:54 PM)
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AFAIK, pilots have to undergo physical medical check-ups every 6 months, ie to certify they are physically fit to fly, but there is no breathalyser tests for alcoholism or blood tests for drug addiction. Eg diabetes, heart disease, mental disorder, etc disqualify.
....... The above ailments plus hernia, color blindness, short-sightedness, criminal record, etc disqualify a person from becoming a cadet pilot.

Only government/ICAO regulations require pilots to not drink any alcohol 24 hours before flight. This is based on the Honor system, eg no breathalyser tests for "drunk flying" conducted by the airport police. Mabuk pilots are often reported to the authorities by others, eg bc they reeked with the alcohol smell or walked unsteadily. ......

https://www.faa.gov/faq/what-medical-condit...r-disqualifying - What medical conditions does FAA consider disqualifying
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Thanks for the info. The above joker thinks there is a doctor following every pilot up till the cockpit of the plane to make sure he doesnt drink before flights
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 14 2025, 04:01 PM)
deswai i prefer his version because it based on final report + his opinion instead of speculative noise right now.
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it will take a year+ for real final report. by the time nobody care lol
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 04:01 PM)
Don't try to spin around anymore lah

You are the one who started with "highly likely pilot error"

Now where's your justification and proof for pilot error?
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Hahahahaa, who is the one spinning now? I said pilot error

U said there is a system that prevents pilots from retracting flaps till certain altitude.

I said any system created by humans can be flawed and have issues hence the pilot could have MISTAKENLY RETRACTED THE FLAPS BYPASSING YOUR SO CALLED FLAWED SAFETY SYSTEM

THAT IS THE ERROR. THE PILOT PULLED ON THE WRONG LEVER

NOW U wanna pusing say where is my proof for pilot error

Sohai, the debate got nothing to do with proof for pilot error. Its your stupidity to think that every safety system is 100% working all the time.

Dont pusing anymore ya. Now is ur best time to backoff and save urself from more embarrassment

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