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post Jun 13 2025, 11:17 AM, updated 7d ago

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1. Footage showed the aircraft climbing away from the runway then sinking back down towards the ground, before disappearing behind trees and bursting into flames. The plane crashed into a hostel housing medical students, doctors and their families in the Meghani Nagar residential area and at least 24 people on the ground died.

On Thursday night, Air India confirmed that 241 of those on board had been killed in the crash, with a Briton, Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, the sole survivor. The combined death toll makes it the world’s worst aviation disaster for more than a decade.

2. India’s home minister, Amit Shah, said the intense heat caused by burning jet fuel meant that had been little chance for anyone who survived impact to escape. “There was 125,000 litres of fuel inside the plane and it caught heat so it was impossible to save anyone,” he said. The final death toll would only be known after the DNA testing had been completed on the victims’ remains, he said.

Videos of the aftermath showed smoke rising over the area and firefighters on charred streets as people were moved on stretchers. In other images, people were seen assessing the damage while part of the mangled plane could be seen sticking out of a building. Pieces of the aircraft’s landing gear, fuselage and tail protruded from the wreckage. Residents said the crash sounded like a bomb blast and felt like an earthquake.

3. Ramesh, from London, described seeing bodies all around him after the crash.

“Thirty seconds after takeoff, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh, who still had his boarding pass, told the Hindustan Times. He said he had “impact injuries”, including bruising on his chest, eyes and feet, but was otherwise lucid and conscious.

“When I got up, there were bodies all around me. I was scared. I stood up and ran. There were pieces of the plane all around me. Someone grabbed hold of me and put me in an ambulance and brought me to the hospital.”

4. Vidhi Chaudhary, a police officer, told Reuters: “Approximately 294 have died. This includes some students as the plane crashed on the building where they were staying.”

Three of the Britons who died in the crash have been named as Akeel Nanabawa, his wife, Hannaa, and their four-year-old daughter, Sara, according to a statement posted by Gloucester Muslim Community on Facebook.

Air India’s chair, Natarajan Chandrasekaran, described the crash as a “tragic accident”.


5. According to air traffic control at Ahmedabad airport, the aircraft departed at 1.39pm (9.09am BST) from runway 23. It issued a mayday call after which nothing more was heard from the flight deck.

The 242 people onboard included two pilots and 10 cabin crew. The passengers included 217 adults, 11 children and two infants, according to Reuters. Of them, 169 were Indian nationals, 53 were Britons, seven Portuguese, and one Canadian, Air India said.


6. Tata Group, the parent company of Air India, said it would provide 10m rupees (£86,000) to the families of those killed in the crash. The company said it would also cover the medical costs of those injured and provide support in the “building up” of the medical college hit by the plane.

7. Residents told Agence France-Presse about the aftermath of the crash. “When we reached the spot there were several bodies lying around and firefighters were dousing the flames. Many of the bodies were burned,” said Poonam Patni.

Another witness, who did not want to be named, said: “We saw people from the building jumping from the second and third floor to save themselves. The plane was in flames. We helped people get out of the building and sent the injured to the hospital.”


8. The UK Foreign Office said officials were working with Indian authorities to establish the facts around the crash and provide support to those involved. Gatwick airport officials said a reception centre was being set up for relatives of the passengers.

The flight tracking website Flightradar24 said the signal from the aircraft was lost less than a minute after takeoff. In a post on X, it said: “We are following reports of a crash of Air India flight AI171 from Ahmedabad to London.

9 Doctors were at lunch in Ahmedabad hostel, then a plane crashed into their building

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/...board-ahmedabad


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post Jun 13 2025, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:22 AM)
86k pound only
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RM 516, 000

Times 6 [average]

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post Jun 13 2025, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 13 2025, 11:21 AM)
gonna wait for mentour's version
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Same!
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post Jun 13 2025, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Jun 13 2025, 11:25 AM)
lol wait till get sued, india indians love to sue for everything. so those money is not the last amount
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Belum kena sue in UK, canada, portugal lagi
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post Jun 13 2025, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:26 AM)
but die wor

worth meh
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True. Probably next of kin might benefit like orphan kids or wife of deceased la
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post Jun 13 2025, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:27 AM)
1-2 year income for britons, portugese and canadian

air india will kena sue until upcar by these victims' family
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Yup, wait till lawsuite comes up. Air india probably kena bancrupt
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post Jun 13 2025, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(YahooGmail @ Jun 13 2025, 11:30 AM)
Per family regardless how many dead or per dead person?
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This is just compensation kot. I am sure lawsuit inkambing
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post Jun 13 2025, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Jun 13 2025, 11:35 AM)
exactly, they think just pay a bit sudah settle  laugh.gif theres more shit to come soon............
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Yeap. Air india was struggling financially before tata takes over. This one seals its fate.
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post Jun 13 2025, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Jun 13 2025, 11:32 AM)
Ppl say airplanes is safe
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Airplanes are safe. Its jus depend which airline and how they maintain it

QUOTE(daisuke @ Jun 13 2025, 11:34 AM)
that 1 guy that survive, must have protection of gods......either he did something good in his current life, or previous life
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His bro died, he gonna have survival guilt. Hope he stays strong.
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QUOTE(skybleu05 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:39 AM)
how much were compensated by MAS for MH370 and MH17 incident?
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This is what i found in wiki

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Compensation for passengers' next of kin
Lack of evidence in determining the cause of Flight 370's disappearance, as well as the absence of any physical confirmation that the airplane crashed, raises many issues regarding responsibility for the accident and the payments made by insurance agencies.[324] Under the Montreal Convention, it is the carrier's responsibility to prove lack of fault in an accident and each passenger's next of kin are automatically entitled, regardless of fault, to a payment of approximately US$175,000[p] from the airline's insurance company—amounting to a total of almost US$40 million for the 227 passengers on board.[324]

Malaysia Airlines was also vulnerable to civil action from passengers' families.[324] Compensation awarded during civil cases (or settlements reached out of court) was likely to vary widely among passengers, based on the country where the proceedings were to take place. An American court could be expected to award upwards of US$8–10 million, while Chinese courts would be likely to award a small fraction of that amount.[325][326] Despite the announcement that the flight ended in the southern Indian Ocean, it was not until 29 January 2015 that the Malaysian government officially declared Flight 370 an accident with no survivors, a move that would allow compensation claims to be made.[327] The first civil case relating to the disappearance was filed in October 2014—even before Flight 370 had been declared an accident—on behalf of two Malaysian boys whose father was a passenger;[q] they were claiming for negligence in failing to contact the aircraft soon after it was lost and for breach of contract for failing to bring the passenger to his destination.[330] Additional civil proceedings against Malaysia Airlines were filed in China and Malaysia.[331]

Soon after the disappearance of Flight 370, Malaysia Airlines offered ex gratia condolence payments to families of the passengers. In China, the families were offered ¥31,000 (approx. US$5,000) "comfort money",[332] but some rejected the offer.[333] It was also reported that Malaysian relatives received only $2,000.[333] In June 2014, Malaysia's deputy Foreign Minister Hamzah Zainuddin said that families of seven passengers received $50,000 advance compensation from Malaysia Airlines, but that full payout would come after the aircraft was found, or officially declared lost[334] (which later occurred in January 2015).[327]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

But cannot compare because it is deemed missing, probably have not declare yet using legal term

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post Jun 13 2025, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(kitzai @ Jun 13 2025, 11:51 AM)
they might put a clause if u get the compensation, you can’t sue them.
Else Airindia just giving everyone “bullets” to sue them back.
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Oh fuck them if they do that! Babi betul
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post Jun 13 2025, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(skybleu05 @ Jun 13 2025, 11:54 AM)
yes i agree. hard to make comparison.

Tata incident - fully under airlines' responsibility
Mas incidents- 1 kena tembak, 1 hilang
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True.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jun 13 2025, 11:56 AM)
Thanks for the updates.
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Wc!
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 13 2025, 11:21 AM)
gonna wait for mentour's version
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Check out this also


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post Jun 13 2025, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(loutze @ Jun 13 2025, 11:56 AM)
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BBC got that survivor weedo walking to ambulance, anyone can translate what Briton Indian says?
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I alao dono bro, dont understand hindi
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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ Jun 13 2025, 12:25 PM)
Insurance will cover all la...
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Jun 13 2025, 12:35 PM)
Insurance kan ada
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 13 2025, 12:38 PM)
Insurance will cover, why need bankrupt?
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Hopefullly next of kin gets it
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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ Jun 13 2025, 07:30 PM)
How much were the payout for MH17 and MH370?
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Already in the thread above, someone replied
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post Jun 14 2025, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 14 2025, 02:24 PM)
There's a system in the 787 that prevents you from retracting the flaps until a certain altitude as well

So yeah Kevin talking out of his ass again
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Yup, that's right

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The Boeing 787 utilizes several mechanisms to prevent accidental flap lever movement, primarily through interlocks and electronic controls to ensure proper flap deployment and prevent inadvertent retraction, particularly during takeoff and landing. These mechanisms include physical detents on the flap lever and electronic monitoring systems that trigger alerts and potentially disengage the flap drive system if an issue is detected.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
Flap Lever Detents:
The flap lever is designed with specific detents or notches that correspond to different flap settings (e.g., takeoff, landing, cruise). These detents provide a physical resistance, making it harder to move the lever accidentally into an undesired position.

Electronic Monitoring:
The flight control electronics system monitors the flap lever position and compares it to the aircraft's speed, altitude, and other relevant parameters.

Asymmetry Detection:
If a flap asymmetry (where one flap is in a different position than the other) is detected, the system can shut down the flap drive system and trigger an alert in the cockpit.

Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS):
The GPWS may be set to "flap override" to prevent nuisance warnings during the approach if the flaps are not in the exact position expected by the system. This helps avoid unnecessary alerts when the flaps are being deployed or retracted.

Interlocks:
In certain configurations, the landing gear and flap levers may be interlocked, preventing the flap lever from being moved until the landing gear is down and locked, or vice versa. This prevents the flaps from being retracted prematurely or the landing gear from being raised with flaps extended.

Hydraulic Control:
The flap position is controlled by a hydraulic motor that is activated by signals from the flight control computer, which also monitors the flap position.

Warning Systems:
Various warning systems are in place to alert the crew to any malfunctions or incorrect flap settings, including visual and aural warnings.

Flight Control Computer:
The flight control computer is programmed to operate the flaps based on various inputs, including the flap lever position, airspeed, and altitude.

Flap Asymmetry Detection:
The flight control electronics cabinets are designed to detect flap asymmetry and send an EICAS (Engine-Indicating and Crew-Alerting System) message to the crew if asymmetry is detected.


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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jun 13 2025, 09:43 PM)
Highly likely pilot error. The inexperienced co pilot was supposed to retract the gear but he instead retracted the flaps . If you see the cockpit layout of the 787, the flap lever is nearer to the copilot seat while the gear lever is on the captain side.
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Unlikely, read above.
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post Jun 14 2025, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 14 2025, 03:01 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://www.aeroinside.com/aircraft-type/b7...87-8-dreamliner - Air safety incidents for Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

= nearly every month, got 1 or 2 safety incidents. Eg .......

American B788 at Miami on Mar 28th 2025, gear problem on departure
Last Update: March 30, 2025 / 19:20:16 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Miami on Nov 6th 2024, gear door problem [i](on departure)

Last Update: November 13, 2024 / 20:39:12 GMT/Zulu time

American B788 at Amsterdam on Jan 7th 2025, flap problem on departure
Last Update: January 9, 2025 / 17:17:56 GMT/Zulu time
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Also, Ahmedabad afternoon temperature is around 40*C in June/summer = poorer flight performance. .......

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/ai...0262-2025-06-13 - Air India crash: Flight AI171 flew with extended gear, retracted flaps; Experts analyse what went wrong
According to early visual analysis, the Dreamliner failed to follow normal flight configuration shortly after liftoff
- Jun 13, 2025 10:08 AM IST

.... In this case, visuals showed the gear beginning to retract but quickly extending again, possibly in reaction to an unexpected loss of thrust or a power issue.

Experts point to two possible scenarios: either a mechanical or hydraulic failure that kept the landing gear stuck in the down position, or a crew decision to retract the flaps prematurely to offset drag caused by the extended gear. Both situations are highly risky, especially at low altitude and speed, where premature flap retraction could drastically reduce lift and raise the risk of a stall. ...


Why the landing gear not retracted when the airplane had reached 600 feet after takeoff, before it gradually lost altitude until crashing on the ground.???
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Maintenance issue i supposed.

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