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 Toyota warns time running out to challenge China’s, lead in hydrogen vehicles

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cursetheroad01
post May 27 2025, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 27 2025, 05:41 PM)
No.

Hydrolysis.

Using electricity to turn water that is H2O and separate H2 from O.

So in sarawak with hydropower we can convert h2o to hydrogen
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Pfft

Sure.
There are reasons why sarawak die-die want petros take over to succeed.
Because of the methane la.

As mentioned they already got established petroleum industries (refineries and rigs). No fucking way they are gonna ditch that for costly hydropower. Besides, hydro dam aren't even that clean.
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no other way, just ask your brothers to ban them only. but you cant enter china market anymore
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post May 27 2025, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ May 27 2025, 04:21 PM)
Sell Camry at Vios price?
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it was 180 at one point

250 is ridiculous
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post May 27 2025, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 27 2025, 04:13 PM)
The hydrogen comes mainly from fossil fuels also rite?
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Green hydrogen

Green hydrogen is made by using clean electricity from surplus renewable energy sources, such as solar or wind power, to electrolyse water. Electrolysers use an electrochemical reaction to split water into its components of hydrogen and oxygen, emitting zero-carbon dioxide in the process.

Green hydrogen currently makes up a small percentage of the overall hydrogen, because production is expensive. Just as energy from wind power has reduced in price, green hydrogen will come down in price as it becomes more common.


Blue hydrogen
Blue hydrogen is produced mainly from natural gas, using a process called steam reforming, which brings together natural gas and heated water in the form of steam. The output is hydrogen, but carbon dioxide is also produced as a by-product. So, the definition of blue hydrogen includes the use of carbon capture and storage (CCS) to trap and store this carbon.

Blue hydrogen is sometimes described as ‘low-carbon hydrogen’, as the steam reforming process doesn’t actually avoid the creation of greenhouse gases.


Grey hydrogen
Currently, this is the most common form of hydrogen production. Grey hydrogen is created from natural gas, or methane, using steam methane reformation but without capturing the greenhouse gases made in the process. Grey hydrogen is essentially the same as blue hydrogen, but without the use of carbon capture and storage.


Black and brown hydrogen
Using black coal or lignite (brown coal) in the hydrogen-making process, these black and brown hydrogen are the absolute opposite of green hydrogen in the hydrogen spectrum and the most environmentally damaging.

Just to confuse things, any hydrogen made from fossil fuels through the process of ‘gasification’ is sometimes called black or brown hydrogen interchangeably.

Japan and Australia announced a new brown coal-to-hydrogen project recently. This project will use brown coal in Australia to produce liquefied hydrogen, which will then be shipped to Japan for low-emission use.


Pink hydrogen
Pink hydrogen is generated through electrolysis powered by nuclear energy. Nuclear-produced hydrogen can also be referred to as purple hydrogen or red hydrogen.

In addition, the very high temperatures from nuclear reactors could be used in other hydrogen productions by producing steam for more efficient electrolysis or fossil gas-based steam methane reforming.


Turquoise hydrogen
This is a new entry in the hydrogen colour charts and production has yet to be proven at scale. Turquoise hydrogen is made using a process called methane pyrolysis to produce hydrogen and solid carbon. In the future, turquoise hydrogen may be valued as a low-emission hydrogen, dependent on the thermal process being powered with renewable energy and the carbon being permanently stored or used.


Yellow hydrogen
Yellow hydrogen is a relatively new phrase for hydrogen made through electrolysis using solar power.


White hydrogen
White hydrogen is a naturally occurring, geological hydrogen found in underground deposits and created through fracking. There are no strategies to exploit this hydrogen at present.

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 27 2025, 06:43 PM)
Green hydrogen

Green hydrogen is made by using clean electricity from surplus renewable energy sources, such as solar or wind power, to electrolyse water. Electrolysers use an electrochemical reaction to split water into its components of hydrogen and oxygen, emitting zero-carbon dioxide in the process.

Green hydrogen currently makes up a small percentage of the overall hydrogen, because production is expensive. Just as energy from wind power has reduced in price, green hydrogen will come down in price as it becomes more common.


Blue hydrogen
Blue hydrogen is produced mainly from natural gas, using a process called steam reforming, which brings together natural gas and heated water in the form of steam. The output is hydrogen, but carbon dioxide is also produced as a by-product. So, the definition of blue hydrogen includes the use of carbon capture and storage (CCS) to trap and store this carbon.

Blue hydrogen is sometimes described as ‘low-carbon hydrogen’, as the steam reforming process doesn’t actually avoid the creation of greenhouse gases.


Grey hydrogen
Currently, this is the most common form of hydrogen production. Grey hydrogen is created from natural gas, or methane, using steam methane reformation but without capturing the greenhouse gases made in the process. Grey hydrogen is essentially the same as blue hydrogen, but without the use of carbon capture and storage.


Black and brown hydrogen
Using black coal or lignite (brown coal) in the hydrogen-making process, these black and brown hydrogen are the absolute opposite of green hydrogen in the hydrogen spectrum and the most environmentally damaging.

Just to confuse things, any hydrogen made from fossil fuels through the process of ‘gasification’ is sometimes called black or brown hydrogen interchangeably.

Japan and Australia announced a new brown coal-to-hydrogen project recently. This project will use brown coal in Australia to produce liquefied hydrogen, which will then be shipped to Japan for low-emission use.


Pink hydrogen
Pink hydrogen is generated through electrolysis powered by nuclear energy. Nuclear-produced hydrogen can also be referred to as purple hydrogen or red hydrogen.

In addition, the very high temperatures from nuclear reactors could be used in other hydrogen productions by producing steam for more efficient electrolysis or fossil gas-based steam methane reforming.


Turquoise hydrogen
This is a new entry in the hydrogen colour charts and production has yet to be proven at scale. Turquoise hydrogen is made using a process called methane pyrolysis to produce hydrogen and solid carbon. In the future, turquoise hydrogen may be valued as a low-emission hydrogen, dependent on the thermal process being powered with renewable energy and the carbon being permanently stored or used.


Yellow hydrogen
Yellow hydrogen is a relatively new phrase for hydrogen made through electrolysis using solar power.


White hydrogen
White hydrogen is a naturally occurring, geological hydrogen found in underground deposits and created through fracking. There are no strategies to exploit this hydrogen at present.
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This is one woke atom family. Hahaha. More color than rainbow. Lol.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 27 2025, 06:50 PM)
This is one woke atom family. Hahaha.  More color than rainbow. Lol.
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obsessive nature of tree hugger

oh well
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 27 2025, 05:59 PM)
That is what I thought in the beginning. But the vast majority of hydrogen supplies are being produced relying on fossil fuel.

This just what Google said.

Green hydrogen? Super small supply.
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That is why it failed in developed countries, Sarawak goal is green hydrogen
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ May 27 2025, 06:24 PM)
Pfft

Sure.
There are reasons why sarawak die-die want petros take over to succeed.
Because of the methane la.

As mentioned they already got established petroleum industries (refineries and rigs). No fucking way they are gonna ditch that for costly hydropower. Besides, hydro dam aren't even that clean.
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dude, you are not malaysian???

ever heard of bakun dam? now sarawak is in huge surplus of electric power, majority from hydro dam

hydro dam is not clean is yet another west narrative
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Toyota still die die endorse their own hydrogen system, the core problem for hydrogen is the cost of storage, the one at Putrajaya setting up temporarily pun cost RM10mil.

Compare that with EV charger, just merely few hundred thousand can set up one DC charger.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ May 27 2025, 04:17 PM)
This is the reason why China go the EV and other new tech way because they know they won't be able to compete in ICE cars
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They go to EV because of pollution. Now you go to China almost no pollution already.
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 27 2025, 03:57 PM)
Come setup the supply chain in Sarawak. The hydrogen there is green and ample of supply
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i tot there water for students oso xde or internet until climb tree
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QUOTE(zenix @ May 27 2025, 07:42 PM)
i tot there water for students oso xde or internet until climb tree
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Sabah. Your geography is poor
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How to get Green Hydrogen?

39.4 KWh of electricity needed to electrolysis 1 kilogram of hydrogen

Additional 2.21 KWh /kg of electricity needed to compress hydrogen into liquified form for storage purposes.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 27 2025, 04:13 PM)
The hydrogen comes mainly from fossil fuels also rite?
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Hydrogen is pretty much everywhere as water
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Hydrogen fuel cells — which create electricity through a chemical reaction with oxygen, emitting only water vapour — offer great promise for long-haul transport because batteries are considered too heavy and require too much recharging for commercial vehicles.

first wave not pass, second wave already here LOL
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QUOTE(stupiak07 @ May 27 2025, 08:12 PM)
Hydrogen is pretty much everywhere as water
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QUOTE(stupiak07 @ May 27 2025, 08:12 PM)
Hydrogen is pretty much everywhere as water
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Carbon is also everywhere. Co2. Combine both water vapor in the air with co2 and we have infinite amount of hydrocarbons energy owai.
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Not like 'we' care about environment. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 27 2025, 08:28 PM)
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 27 2025, 08:39 PM)
Carbon is also everywhere. Co2. Combine both water vapor in the air with co2 and we have infinite amount of hydrocarbons energy owai.
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Nothing with what I says, Sarawak hydrogen plant is electrolysis water to get hydrogen.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ May 27 2025, 04:17 PM)
This is the reason why China go the EV and other new tech way because they know they won't be able to compete in ICE cars
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Most important reason is energy. Petrol and diesel derive from crude oil all must paid in USD. Electricity for EV can use hydroelectric, solar panel, wind, coal which is abundance in China. So expect China to subsidise the hell out of EVs and green hydrogen to break their reliance on crude and gas imports.

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