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 Toyota warns time running out to challenge China’s, lead in hydrogen vehicles

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post May 27 2025, 03:54 PM, updated 7 months ago

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Toyota’s hydrogen chief has warned that vehicles powered by the green fuel could suffer the same fate as battery-powered electric cars, with Chinese groups rapidly dominating supply chains and exports unless other countries step up investment in the technology.

Mitsumasa Yamagata, president of the Japanese carmaker’s hydrogen arm, said China was taking a lead in infrastructure for hydrogen trucks, reducing fuel costs to a third of Japan’s and rapidly building refuelling stations. China already accounts for most of the world’s hydrogen commercial vehicle sales.

“All stakeholders moving at once is the most important thing for bringing the cost of hydrogen down,” Yamagata said. “China is the most advanced in the world for hydrogen trucks. Why they’re that advanced is because the Chinese government ordered turning major logistics routes into hydrogen highways.”

Hydrogen fuel cells — which create electricity through a chemical reaction with oxygen, emitting only water vapour — offer great promise for long-haul transport because batteries are considered too heavy and require too much recharging for commercial vehicles.

Asian carmakers including Toyota and South Korea’s Hyundai have bet on hydrogen as a fuel of the future, even as battery-powered vehicles take off and narrow the market opportunity for the colourless gas.

https://www.ft.com/content/41fe6407-ca14-4b...ee-0163c0b4888c
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post May 27 2025, 03:56 PM

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ccp: so u bet on hydrogen? I do better than u lol..
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post May 27 2025, 03:57 PM

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Come setup the supply chain in Sarawak. The hydrogen there is green and ample of supply
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post May 27 2025, 04:12 PM

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Why Toyota sendiri does not invest? Brazil ada, India ada, Indonesia ada, Vietnam ada.

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QUOTE(vhs @ May 27 2025, 05:12 PM)
Why Toyota sendiri does not invest? Brazil ada, India ada, Indonesia ada, Vietnam ada.
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China got government backup
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post May 27 2025, 04:13 PM

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The hydrogen comes mainly from fossil fuels also rite?
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post May 27 2025, 04:14 PM

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hydrogen trucks lorries yes yes, hydrogen passenger cars no no .
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Toyota has vested interest in keeping ICE structure because they own or JV most of the supply chains, especially on the engine and drive train parts.

If they go EV the whole engine and drive train companies can close shop dy.

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 27 2025, 04:13 PM)
The hydrogen comes mainly from fossil fuels also rite?
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no.

Hydrogen is MuCh mOre gReenEr than EV
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QUOTE(Mixxomon @ May 27 2025, 05:14 PM)
Toyota has vested interest in keeping ICE structure because they own or JV most of the supply chains, especially on the engine and drive train parts.

If they go EV the whole engine and drive train companies can close shop dy.
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This is the reason why China go the EV and other new tech way because they know they won't be able to compete in ICE cars
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 27 2025, 05:13 PM)
The hydrogen comes mainly from fossil fuels also rite?
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post May 27 2025, 04:18 PM

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if like that, Toyoda will said hydrogen is not the future
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 27 2025, 03:57 PM)
Come setup the supply chain in Sarawak. The hydrogen there is green and ample of supply
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From a state with major petroleum industry? Sure.
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you can just
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not sell camry at 230k
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post May 27 2025, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ May 27 2025, 04:18 PM)
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I really don't think so. I remember Google searching abt this before.
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liddat haidrogen not the future anymore since toyota cannot tapau all lol
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QUOTE(GHBZDK @ May 27 2025, 05:19 PM)
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Sell Camry at Vios price?
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QUOTE(30624770 @ May 27 2025, 04:21 PM)
Sell Camry at Vios price?
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price it like china car
which is technically not even really affordable for us bye.gif
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 27 2025, 05:20 PM)
I really don't think so. I remember Google searching abt this before.
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Unlike traditional electric vehicles (EVs) that store electricity in batteries, FCEVs generate electricity on the go through a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen. This process produces water vapor as a byproduct, resulting in zero tailpipe emissions.
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weird why sama sama government backed project. CCP can fuck up the whole world. But those government backed in Malaysia end up kena fuck ownself need bail out.

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