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fongsk
post Jun 7 2025, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 7 2025, 07:59 PM)
What weed are you smoking. Before implementation, PH went to town, then that killed the GST plan? Then you Said implementation came later?

So are you saying if pH didnt went against GST, the implementation will be smooth?
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Even before it was implemented, the public already against GST. The fake news by PH was too effective. Factual.

If PH did not go do fake claims about GST, then you can blame poor implementation. But for this GST case, it was a failed project before implementation due to fake news. And because of the fake claims by PH, none of the PH1.0 and now dare to implement cos they will be found out for kincing :..:
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post Jun 7 2025, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 7 2025, 08:04 PM)
Even before it was implemented, the public already against GST.  The fake news by PH was too effective.  Factual.

If PH did not go do fake claims about GST, then you can blame poor implementation.  But for this GST case, it was a failed project before implementation due to fake news.  And because of the fake claims by PH, none of the PH1.0 and now dare to implement cos they will be found out for kincing :..:
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No you're wrong about why GST was a failed project. Despite objections from anyone GST was implemented. Kinda successfully depending on whose point of view. Some of issues were late refunds and unnatural price hiked due to some people took advantage i.e. tak mau temporarily lost money while waiting for refund

What you got right was that pH now didn't dare bring back GST. Thus they went for e-invoice in order to cover the weakness of sst.

Bare in mind, e-invoice was not a feasible method years ago but now, not that difficult
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post Jun 8 2025, 06:31 AM

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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 7 2025, 10:22 PM)
No you're wrong about why GST was a failed project. Despite objections from anyone GST was implemented. Kinda successfully depending on whose point of view. Some of issues were late refunds and unnatural price hiked due to some people took advantage i.e. tak mau temporarily lost money while waiting for refund

What you got right was that pH now didn't dare bring back GST. Thus they went for e-invoice in order to cover the weakness of sst.

Bare in mind, e-invoice was not a feasible method years ago but now, not that difficult
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Well, I disagree with you on that, though. When a program is not supported, it is bound to fail. Even the latest PADU failed cos not many believed in that and everyone was worried about the security of the database. That PADU db became a rojak cos less than 50 % registered and even lesser updated the systems inputs.

As for e-invoice, it has been on plan long time already and not by PH. E-invoice was supposed to complement GST to go after those who do not fall into the GST scope (ie those SME) and also those who evade taxes. Hence it was set low at 150k turnover for businesses and also for general public(ie LHDN).


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post Jun 8 2025, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(milolauda @ Jun 7 2025, 06:04 AM)
gst is the easiest

why they dun use it ?
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Because its akin to ludah kat langit at the end kena sendiri. It just shows no matter who is the opposition they will justvoppose oppose oppose no matter if the idea is good or not.


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post Jun 8 2025, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(coconutxyz @ Jun 7 2025, 03:08 PM)
Self billed only required for few categories, cannot simply issue also
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If I call a bangla plumber.. or even local plumber (freelance), or local wireman, there is no need self bill e-inv? Sometimes they issue regular resit, or if not, I just get them sign payment received, stated their details and contact. So no need self billed e-invoice?

If I'm correct, this e-invoice is actually pointless because it's them who under report their income.

QUOTE(sansaboy @ Jun 7 2025, 02:43 PM)
Here we go again ,our famous u turn culture kick in

The whole point of e invoice is the enforcement target those company sme , revenue below 1 million or 500k

Those are the typical company who always under report their income and enjoy the subsidized to the max,few examples:

Aircon contractor, wire man, cctv installer, small renovation contractor, small tyre shop, workshop, small hand phone accessories shop.

And yes they are using cheap ron 95 to travel around doing business.

And under report their income every year

Most company with more than 1 million revenue, normally are sdn bhd setup ,with proper book audit yearly.
You enforce e invoice on them,
There is nothing to see inside their book,no differences

But when you enforce e invoice inside these contractor ?
Yes suddenly you see their business are so good alr compare to previously few years

At first I ready popcorn to see how this freelancer or contractor facing e invoice
But our lovely government delay the show again

How disappointed
Delay delay then elections come, sure delay again?
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Right, so I can be doing air-cond business and under report my income, buyer also don't issue self-billed invoice, since for these kind of things, does not fall under self-billed e-invoice part, and I also can always say I'm below rm1m.

Like my friend always say, to which I also agree, people who pay tax is the one they want to be strict towards and want to monitor/control more. Meanwhile, the real ones who under report, still enjoy under reporting.

This post has been edited by Natsukashii: Jun 8 2025, 06:41 PM
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post Jun 8 2025, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(coconutxyz @ Jun 7 2025, 03:08 PM)
Self billed only required for few categories, cannot simply issue also
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It is said that self-billed will be needed for: Acquisitions of goods or services from individual taxpayers who are not engaged in business (applies only if other self-billed circumstances are not relevant)

That itself sort of says every expenses must be e-invoice for tax paying company.

If no e-invoice, then need to issue self-billed e-invoice.



This post has been edited by Natsukashii: Jun 8 2025, 06:46 PM
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post Jun 8 2025, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jun 8 2025, 06:45 PM)
It is said that self-billed will be needed for: Acquisitions of goods or services from individual taxpayers who are not engaged in business (applies only if other self-billed circumstances are not relevant)

That itself sort of says every expenses must be e-invoice for tax paying company.

If no e-invoice, then need to issue self-billed e-invoice.
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Yes pretty much

So the only issue is dunno whether they conduct business or not
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post Jun 8 2025, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ May 24 2025, 07:22 PM)
Revenue above RM500k, implentation is July 2025..

Now only wanna talk review??
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So anwar gov = old bn gov = bad students (those who avoid taxes, compliances, steal electricity) earn more 😂

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post Jun 8 2025, 09:01 PM

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I still kena July 2025

None of my companies sales below 5mil zzzzz despite Covid time


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post Jun 8 2025, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jun 8 2025, 06:40 PM)
If I call a bangla plumber.. or even local plumber (freelance), or local wireman, there is no need self bill e-inv? Sometimes they issue regular resit, or if not, I just get them sign payment received, stated their details and contact. So no need self billed e-invoice?

If I'm correct, this e-invoice is actually pointless because it's them who under report their income.
Right, so I can be doing air-cond business and under report my income, buyer also don't issue self-billed invoice, since for these kind of things, does not fall under self-billed e-invoice part, and I also can always say I'm below rm1m.

Like my friend always say, to which I also agree, people who pay tax is the one they want to be strict towards and want to monitor/control more. Meanwhile, the real ones who under report, still enjoy under reporting.
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If, the counterparty is not einvoice (example: retail) then it's fine.
but things u buy from companies with einvoice, they will file under self bill. Or request for your tin number and stuff.

So if they buy bulk under individual name then do biz under enterprise, then below threshold and sell service to individual, then many is below radar

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