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 South Africa prez kena zelenskied by Trump, ambush ramaphosa about white farmers

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haya
post May 24 2025, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 01:36 PM)
first things first, are we still live in may 13th time period right now /facepalm

Of course south africa has serious crime problems, the problem is the south african politicians has diverted the crime into a single racial group aka the whites as the scapegoat for diverting the attention of the public on their massive corruption that leads to the failing state.
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That's still not the threshold for asylum

No different to Malaysian politicians blaming the non's for their problems
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post May 24 2025, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:33 PM)
And this is why serf's can't be (asylum court) judges

The public's understanding of what asylum law is vs what is actually is, is too far apart IMO
asylum tribunal is done in case by case basis

and judges have qualifications aka understand the law and have experiences on the judicial process.

saying serfs can't be judges is just plain facepalm captain obvious comment.
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post May 24 2025, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:38 PM)
That's still not the threshold for asylum

No different to Malaysian politicians blaming the non's for their problems
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malaysian politicians don't go around in political rallies inciting violence against the nons /facepalm

that would cause them to be investigated by the police and charged

something that doesn't happen in south africa

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 01:41 PM)
asylum tribunal is done in case by case basis

and judges have qualifications aka understand the law and have experiences on the judicial process.

saying serfs can't be judges is just plain facepalm captain obvious comment.
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But but but it is obvious that it qualifies for asylum wor!
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post May 24 2025, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:43 PM)
But but but it is obvious that it qualifies for asylum wor!
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tell that to biden which you said has very strict asylum process for alvin but let millions in every year just by walking in without any process

qualifies for asylum right?

trump just doing two birds with one stone, denying money for south africa but the biggest reason is exposing hypocrite democrats. If democrats has accepted the south africans, trump probably wouldn't attack the south african politicians on live tv

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post May 24 2025, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:33 PM)
And this is why serf's can't be (asylum court) judges

The public's understanding of what asylum law is vs what is actually is, is too far apart IMO

Asylum isn't just "Oh I'm being treated badly and therefore I want asylum"

Funny also how Alvin Tan mentioned that during the Biden administration it was harder to get asylum

As I said, contrary to popular belief. Perception and reality can be very far apart.
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I think most do understand what’s asylum. Otherwise they won’t all go tell the same story to immigration officer ( this is why those officers are skeptical cause they have heard it all before) when they seek asylum. The hard part is showing proof.

Alvin had a good case as he had plenty of evidence. He didn’t just say he was imprisoned. Multiple media covered it.
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post May 24 2025, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:38 PM)
That's still not the threshold for asylum

No different to Malaysian politicians blaming the non's for their problems
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Merely been a victim of high crime isn’t sufficient for asylum. But when you have a leader in the minority govt which is a large party and growing in popularity openly calling for Genocidal actions against a certain ethnic group it does add a point to said asylum seekers case.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 01:44 PM)
tell that to biden which you said has very strict asylum process for alvin but let millions in every year just by walking in without any process

qualifies for asylum right?
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As I said, perception vs reality.

There is a perception that the Democrats "let millions in every year just by walking in without any process"

And yet the data shows that there were more deportations under Obama and Biden's term than during Trump's first term
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 12:28 PM)
his credibility can go to zero but the white killins are still happening

the problem is that this kind of rhetoric is dishonest diversion for some particular ideology, look at the american msm articles before the congo photo issue.
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It is a false story to discredit South Africa because South Africa is actively pursuing Israel war crimes and helping Palestinian by recording all genocide proof admissible in the court.

The total of white farmers died on South Africa is 1% for the last 40 years on average of total death in South Africa, means blacks and others race death is above 98% on the average for the last 40 years.

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Among the claims contradicted by the evidence:

1. There is a genocide of white farmers in South Africa.

This conspiracy theory has been propagated by some fringe groups of white South Africans since the end of apartheid in 1994. It has been circulating in global far-right chat rooms for at least a decade, with the vocal support of Trump's ally, South African-born Elon Musk.

Supporters of the theory point to murders of white farmers in remote rural parts of the country as proof of a politically orchestrated campaign of ethnic cleansing, rather than ordinary violent crime.

They accuse the government of being complicit in the farm murders, either by encouraging them or at least turning a blind eye. The government strongly denies this.

South Africa has one of the world's highest murder rates, with an average of 72 a day, in a country of 60 million people. Most victims are Black.

South African police recorded 26,232 murders nationwide in 2024, of which 44 were linked to farming communities. Of those, eight of the victims were farmers.

Data collected by white farmers themselves also does not support the notion of a genocide. Afrikaner farmers' union TLU-SA has counted 1,363 white farmers murdered since 1990, or an average of 40 a year - far less than 1% of total murders.

The high court in Western Cape province ruled that claims of white genocide were "clearly imagined and not real" in a case earlier this year, forbidding a donation to a white supremacist group on those grounds.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-make...ing-2025-05-21/

QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 12:51 PM)
Go and read Australian Asylum tribunal cases

"The police are mostly Malay and wouldn't protect me"
"Our family business was attacked by Malay gangsters and the police who are mostly Malay wouldn't protect us"
"My family business was too successful so the government took it away and gave it to the Malays"
"The tried to force me to convert to Islam and if I didn't, they would burn down my house"

As I said, the Afrikans of South Africa have problems, but they are not at the level where they meet the threshold for asylum.

But if someone in Australia stands up and say that the Malaysian Chinese face racist attacks and "fear of being killed", people who don't know how things are, will lap it up.
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PutraHeights developer, encroach and dig too near to Petronas's gas pipelines on 2nd day of hari raya, should be federal holiday that day, trying hard to plotek-plotek the developer.

Pamela Ling, plotek-plotek the husband until willing to sacrifice two institutions reputation.

Raub, people encroach on hundreds hectares of land, until now, no punishment for them, can protest some more.

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QUOTE(smsid @ May 24 2025, 01:52 PM)
It is a false story to discredit South Africa because South Africa is actively pursuing Israel war crimes and helping Palestinian by recording all genocide proof admissible in the court.

The total of white farmers died on South Africa is 1% for the last 40 years on average of total death in South Africa, means blacks and others race death is above 98% on the average for the last 40 years.

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Last 40 years. Noticed that? The question is are things getting worse? They are many stories that SA is going down the toilet. It’s perfectly plausible that killing of whites are getting worse in recent times.
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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:51 PM)
As I said, perception vs reality.

There is a perception that the Democrats "let millions in every year just by walking in without any process"

And yet the data shows that there were more deportations under Obama and Biden's term than during Trump's first term
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obama? sure of course, he's called deporter in chief

Why are you bringing biden's numbers here when majority of it is title 42 expulsions at the border for covid policies. The numbers that matter is the border crossings which do have data AND it has serious recorded effects on various cities across usa.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 01:41 PM)
malaysian politicians don't go around in political rallies inciting violence against the nons /facepalm

that would cause them to be investigated by the police and charged

something that doesn't happen in south africa
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Seriously, you can say that with a straight face?

So when was PAS'es Zul Huzaimy charged when he wanted to “slaughter infidels” ?

PAS is a upcoming party, where it's leader Abdul Hadi Awang has called for violence against certain ethnic groups, invoking God’s power in punishing certain ethnic groups by eliminating them: police investigation and charge mana?

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...te-speech/40286


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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 24 2025, 02:05 PM)
Last 40 years. Noticed that? The question is are things getting worse? They are many stories that SA is going down the toilet. It’s perfectly plausible that killing of whites are getting worse in recent times.
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not just killings, but farmlands kena rampas without compensation. Ok lagi tu, then no proper handover and training for the farm to be run and remain useful. People getting poorer and desperate people do crimes.

I remember decades ago I saw south africa has the same gdp percapita with malaysia, then after a decade their gdp per capita became half of malaysia, now it's close to a third of malaysia
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 24 2025, 02:05 PM)
Last 40 years. Noticed that? The question is are things getting worse? They are many stories that SA is going down the toilet. It’s perfectly plausible that killing of whites are getting worse in recent times.
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If you read the quote or the link I provided, you can find it yourself instead of me spoonfeeding you.

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Among the claims contradicted by the evidence:

1. There is a genocide of white farmers in South Africa.

This conspiracy theory has been propagated by some fringe groups of white South Africans since the end of apartheid in 1994. It has been circulating in global far-right chat rooms for at least a decade, with the vocal support of Trump's ally, South African-born Elon Musk.

South African police recorded 26,232 murders nationwide in 2024, of which 44 were linked to farming communities. Of those, eight of the victims were farmers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-make...ing-2025-05-21/
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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 02:11 PM)
Seriously, you can say that with a straight face?

So when was PAS'es Zul Huzaimy charged when he wanted to “slaughter infidels” ?

PAS is a upcoming party, where it's leader Abdul Hadi Awang has called for violence against certain ethnic groups, invoking God’s power in punishing certain ethnic groups by eliminating them: police investigation and charge mana?

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...te-speech/40286
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i agree he should be arrested and charged, and also there's a reason nons like me absolutely hate pas, so your point is?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 02:13 PM)
not just killings, but farmlands kena rampas without compensation. Ok lagi tu, then no proper handover and training for the farm to be run and remain useful. People getting poorer and desperate people do crimes.

I remember decades ago I saw south africa has the same gdp percapita with malaysia, then after a decade their gdp per capita became half of malaysia, now it's close to a third of malaysia
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Only on rare cases, means it hardly happen, they only do it to farmers who has deep connections to previous apartheid government.

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That hasn't worked. Some three-quarters of privately-owned farmland is still in the hands of whites, who make up less than 8% of the population, while 4% is owned by Black South Africans who make up 80%.

In an effort to address this, Ramaphosa signed a law in January allowing the state to expropriate land "in the public interest," in rare cases without compensating the owner. The law requires authorities to first try to reach an agreement. It still hasn't been used.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-make...ing-2025-05-21/

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 02:16 PM)
i agree he should be arrested and charged, and also there's a reason nons like me absolutely hate pas, so your point is?
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You take one speech from one politician in South Africa, and extrapolate to to the problems Afrikans face

On your own metric can take two (double mah) speeches from PAS, and the non's now have a right to asylum in the US
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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 02:18 PM)
You take one speech from one politician in South Africa, and extrapolate to to the problems Afrikans face

On your own metric can take two (double mah) speeches from PAS, and the non's now have a right to asylum in the US
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it's not just one politician, many are kapsit with him

Why are you talking about malaysian nons asylum again and again? I don't see random serious attacks on rich nons here.

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 02:21 PM)
it's not just one politician, many are kapsit with him
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"Its not 2 politicians from PAS, Malay's feel the same against the non's"

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