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 South Africa prez kena zelenskied by Trump, ambush ramaphosa about white farmers

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post May 22 2025, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ May 22 2025, 03:02 AM)
using heavily biased wikipedia as source, western liberals are fking cancer to society
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QUOTE(Hobbez @ May 22 2025, 01:48 PM)
This same people join the Pro Palestine protests wink.gif
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I don't mind if you support palestinian people, but they are mentally insane, taking universities into hostage, breaking properties, blocking students from going to class etc. Freaking adult babies throwing tantrums.
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post May 22 2025, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ May 22 2025, 01:50 PM)
He probably lives in the states now.

If not an american surely on some form of long term visa

SA is a waste. Even the most politically correct channel calls it a failed state and extremely corrupt. From f-ed up power supply to looming water shortage not to mention the crime and the urban decay. They wont mention the GDP growth under apartheid and will always give context that things are better than apartheid but they also cannot hold back on the shit it has become.

Mandela didnt bust out of prison and unite the ppl for this shit
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SA is really corrupted to the core. Not just racist to the whites, they kill their own people too.

Read the Marikana Massacre of 2012. The authorities openly massacre abused mining workers that's protesting for better living conditions and wage. There's multiple times they murdered unarmed mining workers prior to the big massacre.
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post May 23 2025, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 23 2025, 01:51 PM)
Trump's image of dead 'white farmers' came from Reuters footage in Congo, not South Africa
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FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump shows a copy of an article that he said its about white South Africans who had been killed, in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, D.C., U.S., May 21, 2025. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque/File Photo

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump showed a screenshot of Reuters video taken in the Democratic Republic of Congo as part of what he falsely presented on Wednesday as evidence of mass killings of white South Africans.

"These are all white farmers that are being buried," said Trump, holding up a print-out of an article accompanied by the picture during a contentious Oval Office meeting with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa.

In fact, the video, published by Reuters on February 3 and subsequently verified by the news agency's fact check team, showed humanitarian workers lifting body bags in the Congolese city of Goma. The image was pulled from Reuters footage shot following deadly battles with Rwanda-backed M23 rebels.

The blog post showed to Ramaphosa by Trump during the White House meeting was published by American Thinker, a conservative online magazine, about conflict and racial tensions in South Africa and Congo.

The post did not caption the image but identified it as a "YouTube screen grab" with a link to a video news report about Congo on YouTube, which credited Reuters.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment. Andrea Widburg, managing editor at American Thinker and the author of the post in question, wrote in reply to a Reuters query that Trump had "misidentified the image."

She added, however, that the post, which referred to what it called Ramaphosa's "dysfunctional, race-obsessed Marxist government", had "pointed out the increasing pressure placed on white South Africans."

The footage from which the picture was taken shows a mass burial following an M23 assault on Goma, filmed by Reuters video journalist Djaffar Al Katanty.

"That day, it was extremely difficult for journalists to get in ... I had to negotiate directly with M23 and coordinate with the ICRC to be allowed to film," Al Katanty said. "Only Reuters has video."

Al Katanty said seeing Trump holding the article with the screengrab of his video came as a shock.

"In view of all the world, President Trump used my image, used what I filmed in DRC to try to convince President Ramaphosa that in his country, white people are being killed by Black people," Al Katanty said.

Ramaphosa visited Washington this week to try to mend ties with the United States after persistent criticism from Trump in recent months over South Africa's land laws, foreign policy, and alleged bad treatment of its white minority, which South Africa denies.

Trump interrupted the televised meeting with Ramaphosa to play a video, which he said showed evidence of genocide of white farmers in South Africa. This conspiracy theory, which has circulated in far-right chat rooms for years, is based on false claims.

Trump then proceeded to flip through printed copies of articles that he said detailed murders of white South Africans, saying "death, death, death, horrible death".

Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2025/...ot-south-africa
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lol even though trump made a mistake on this, still doesn't change the fact that there's racist killings in south africa

or are you saying that congo photo means there no white killings? What a taichi to deflect from the true horrible homocides, instead of talking about serious human right's violation, wrong photo is more important
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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 11:42 AM)
No one is saying that using the wrong photo means there is no white killings in South Africa.

Just that it weakens your credibility using the wrong images.

Malaysia has a problem with haze, but using pictures of a bushfire in Greece to describe it would make as much sense as using pictures of Congo to describe what is happening in South Africa.
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his credibility can go to zero but the white killins are still happening

the problem is that this kind of rhetoric is dishonest diversion for some particular ideology, look at the american msm articles before the congo photo issue.
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post May 24 2025, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 12:34 PM)
The question is, is it to the level where you take them in as refugees

The ethnic Chinese in Malaysia face many problems, but not to the level that qualify for refugee status

Well, you wouldn't know if you read Australian Asylum Tribunal Cases. What they claim you'd believe that Malaysian Chinese are being actively persecuted.
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Are you seriously comparing afrikans racist attacks with malaysian race discrimination? Fear of being killed vs university quotas?

By the way, you don't even understand why trump did this, the main target isn't really south african politicians, it's to expose the hypocrite democrats who advocates for illegal immigrants by claiming they are refugees while at the same time wants to stop south african legal refugees because they are white.

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 12:51 PM)
Go and read Australian Asylum tribunal cases

"The police are mostly Malay and wouldn't protect me"
"Our family business was attacked by Malay gangsters and the police who are mostly Malay wouldn't protect us"
"My family business was too successful so the government took it away and gave it to the Malays"
"The tried to force me to convert to Islam and if I didn't, they would burn down my house"

As I said, the Afrikans of South Africa have problems, but they are not at the level where they meet the threshold for asylum.

But if someone in Australia stands up and say that the Malaysian Chinese face racist attacks and "fear of being killed", people who don't know how things are, will lap it up.
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that that's a unique case that qualifies for refugee

"not at the level where they meet the threshold for asylum", I guess being dead still doesn't qualify for asylum to you. One youtuber has his female friend went back to south africa for a short while and literally murdered. Nah she's just have problems and being dead isn't an issue for you. You are such an asshole denier.

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:01 PM)
Believe it or not, those cases don't qualify for refugee status

"The police are mostly Malay and wouldn't protect me" is not grounds for asylum

"Our family business was attacked by Malay gangsters and the police who are mostly Malay wouldn't protect us" is not grounds for asylum

Even "The tried to force me to convert to Islam and if I didn't, they would burn down my house"  is is not grounds for asylum

As I said, go and read some real Asylum cases
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and that's australia and I didn't know trump was australian prime minister

but not recognizating south african as refugees is more important than allowing illegal inmigrants to come in freely in usa which you know, trump is the president there.
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post May 24 2025, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:07 PM)
How to "recognise (white) south african as refugees" when they don't meet the threshold?

The fact that 1, 2, 10, 100, 1000, of them are killed, as tragic as it is, is not grounds for asylum.

Else the non's can pull out plenty of news reports of non's being killed in Malaysia and claim asylum (in the US)
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alvin tan had to gone through so much to be the citizen of usa, they do have to go through the process

but you are treating the conditions of nons in malaysian as comparable to south africa which is totally so far of the truth. People can claim stuffs when they try to apply for refugee, but what we had been seeing in south africa for decades is what happening there in some parts of south africa which has REAL targeted racial killings, not some people applying for refugees and their cases.

I don't see Malaysian chinese has heavy walled houses with armed private security around here? Or any recent racist based bullying on the news? Or literal politicians in malaysia singing the songs about killing certain group of people?

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:29 PM)
South Africa has a crime problem

Its not just the Afrikans with "heavy walled houses with armed private security"

The rich black South African's (yes they exist) also live in neighbourhoods with "heavy walled houses with armed private security" and armed escort

As I said, South Africa has a crime problem, the Afrikans have their problems in South Africa, but they are not to the level where they need to be rescued as refugees.

As I said, Afrikan's have always been able to apply for asylum in the US. Some do. But mostly they don't. Because they know they don't meet the threshold.

But they're quite happy to let people who don't know the situation take up their cudgels.

As I said, if someone who knows nothing about Malaysia except on what they read of asylum claims, they would also believe that Malaysia is a hell-hole for ethnic Chinese.

Same thing here: people who don't know about South Africa except what a very rich man tells them, they would also believe that South Africa is a hell-hole for Afrikans.

I'm not denying that the Afrikans in South Africa face problems, in the same way I'm not denying that the non's in Malaysia face problems.

But those who know, will know that the truth is a lot more nuanced than qualifying for asylum
Really? The reminders of May 13, when people literally died, everytime someone wants to make a point, in Malaysia, don't count?

https://www.thevibes.com/articles/news/7821...osted-on-tiktok
https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/hadi%E2...%E2%80%94-anwar
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/film-1969-malaysi...-040642010.html
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first things first, are we still live in may 13th time period right now /facepalm

Of course south africa has serious crime problems, the problem is the south african politicians has diverted the crime into a single racial group aka the whites as the scapegoat for diverting the attention of the public on their massive corruption that leads to the failing state.
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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:33 PM)
And this is why serf's can't be (asylum court) judges

The public's understanding of what asylum law is vs what is actually is, is too far apart IMO
asylum tribunal is done in case by case basis

and judges have qualifications aka understand the law and have experiences on the judicial process.

saying serfs can't be judges is just plain facepalm captain obvious comment.
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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:38 PM)
That's still not the threshold for asylum

No different to Malaysian politicians blaming the non's for their problems
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malaysian politicians don't go around in political rallies inciting violence against the nons /facepalm

that would cause them to be investigated by the police and charged

something that doesn't happen in south africa

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:43 PM)
But but but it is obvious that it qualifies for asylum wor!
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tell that to biden which you said has very strict asylum process for alvin but let millions in every year just by walking in without any process

qualifies for asylum right?

trump just doing two birds with one stone, denying money for south africa but the biggest reason is exposing hypocrite democrats. If democrats has accepted the south africans, trump probably wouldn't attack the south african politicians on live tv

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 01:51 PM)
As I said, perception vs reality.

There is a perception that the Democrats "let millions in every year just by walking in without any process"

And yet the data shows that there were more deportations under Obama and Biden's term than during Trump's first term
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obama? sure of course, he's called deporter in chief

Why are you bringing biden's numbers here when majority of it is title 42 expulsions at the border for covid policies. The numbers that matter is the border crossings which do have data AND it has serious recorded effects on various cities across usa.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 24 2025, 02:05 PM)
Last 40 years. Noticed that? The question is are things getting worse? They are many stories that SA is going down the toilet. It’s perfectly plausible that killing of whites are getting worse in recent times.
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not just killings, but farmlands kena rampas without compensation. Ok lagi tu, then no proper handover and training for the farm to be run and remain useful. People getting poorer and desperate people do crimes.

I remember decades ago I saw south africa has the same gdp percapita with malaysia, then after a decade their gdp per capita became half of malaysia, now it's close to a third of malaysia
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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 02:11 PM)
Seriously, you can say that with a straight face?

So when was PAS'es Zul Huzaimy charged when he wanted to “slaughter infidels” ?

PAS is a upcoming party, where it's leader Abdul Hadi Awang has called for violence against certain ethnic groups, invoking God’s power in punishing certain ethnic groups by eliminating them: police investigation and charge mana?

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...te-speech/40286
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i agree he should be arrested and charged, and also there's a reason nons like me absolutely hate pas, so your point is?
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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 02:18 PM)
You take one speech from one politician in South Africa, and extrapolate to to the problems Afrikans face

On your own metric can take two (double mah) speeches from PAS, and the non's now have a right to asylum in the US
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it's not just one politician, many are kapsit with him

Why are you talking about malaysian nons asylum again and again? I don't see random serious attacks on rich nons here.

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QUOTE(haya @ May 24 2025, 02:22 PM)
"Its not 2 politicians from PAS, Malay's feel the same against the non's"

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so magically you know how every malay is feeling, ok

i'm sorry bud but your statement is pretty dangerous there, good luck on you.

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