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ruffy_z
post May 17 2025, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 17 2025, 04:00 PM)
And how much population does Singapore have?

They should have just went back crawling to Malaysia after 1965 right?
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The whole population living in a city the size of kuching while sarawak population is dispersed in a state the size of west malaysia
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post May 17 2025, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 17 2025, 12:52 PM)
So East Malaysians are not worthy of climbing up the value chain and are locked out from the wealth of industrialization?

Guess in the past you would have told the Taiwanese to stick to growing mango's and and rice, instead of having TSMC or Asus, because China would invade them anyway. Stick to something that they're familiar with, amrite?
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how much rice and mango taiwan can grow on their puny land? it make sense for them to go to tech and industrialization..
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post May 17 2025, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(ruffy_z @ May 17 2025, 04:29 PM)
The whole population living in a city the size of kuching while sarawak population is dispersed in a state the size of west malaysia
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And that means we should just stick to our knitting agriculture and not move up the value chain?
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post May 17 2025, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 17 2025, 09:21 AM)
Japan, PRC, etc are promoting fuel cell vehicle.
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One particular city in China, Foshan promotes it a lot but up until now it is a failure. Last 18 months only sold 85 hydrogen cars compared to over 200,000 EVs. Foshan's hydrogen tram service already suspended.

Pending rep: Suspension of hydrogen tram line in China not boding well for ART project

Japan kept on promoting hydrogen is suicide. Toyota already bet on the wrong horse, now desperately playing catch up with China on EVs.


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post May 17 2025, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(brkli @ May 17 2025, 04:38 PM)
how much rice and mango taiwan can grow on their puny land? it make sense for them to go to tech and industrialization..
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So Sarawakians are not entitled to develop tech and new economy energies, but should just plant pepper and pineapples forever?
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post May 17 2025, 04:43 PM

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The green hydrogen stupidity: Can connect directly but purposely want to convert and convert and convert and convert.
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post May 17 2025, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 17 2025, 04:42 PM)
So Sarawakians are not entitled to develop tech and new economy energies, but should just plant pepper and pineapples forever?
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u think agriculture is just manual labour? now already 2025. there are tons of tech involve in agriculture. too many to list down. some biotech advancement are also focus on agriculture to produce better crops and harvest. there are also advancement in drone and automation and etc.

but is ok. from you reply i understand already hydrogen and ai is better.. coz buzzword = going up the value chain.
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post May 17 2025, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(brkli @ May 17 2025, 04:51 PM)
u think agriculture is just manual labour? now already 2025. there are tons of tech involve in agriculture. too many to list down. some biotech advancement are also focus on agriculture to produce better crops and harvest. there are also advancement in drone and automation and etc.

but is ok. from you reply i understand already hydrogen and ai is better.. coz buzzword = going up the value chain.
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And guess what Sarawak is also doing?

https://www.theborneopost.com/2025/03/02/le...ure-technology/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2018/10/05/io...n-boost-sector/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2023/01/12/sd...ity-at-centexs/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2024/08/14/in...rt-agriculture/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2023/11/26/fa...s-productivity/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2025/05/10/sa...porter-by-2030/

https://www.theborneopost.com/2023/12/01/te...per-production/

As the saying goes, can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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post May 17 2025, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 05:39 PM)
One particular city in China, Foshan promotes it a lot but up until now it is a failure. Last 18 months only sold 85 hydrogen cars compared to over 200,000 EVs. Foshan's hydrogen tram service already suspended.

Pending rep: Suspension of hydrogen tram line in China not boding well for ART project

Japan kept on promoting hydrogen is suicide. Toyota already bet on the wrong horse, now desperately playing catch up with China on EVs.
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Sarawakians ego very big. Wont learn from others that have failed and analyze them.

Prefer to try their own and fail and learn from them.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 04:39 PM)
One particular city in China, Foshan promotes it a lot but up until now it is a failure. Last 18 months only sold 85 hydrogen cars compared to over 200,000 EVs. Foshan's hydrogen tram service already suspended.

Pending rep: Suspension of hydrogen tram line in China not boding well for ART project

Japan kept on promoting hydrogen is suicide. Toyota already bet on the wrong horse, now desperately playing catch up with China on EVs.
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Compared with ev, fuel cell vehicle is harder to manufacture. At the moment, green H2 is expensive but with advancing technology, green H2 production cost will be cheaper.

QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 04:43 PM)
The green hydrogen stupidity: Can connect directly but purposely want to convert and convert and convert and convert.
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Ev is similarly going through a few stages of energy conversion. The source of ev energy may not be green.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 17 2025, 04:59 PM)
Sarawakians ego very big. Wont learn from others that have failed and analyze them.

Prefer to try their own and fail and learn from them.
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So many have already failed and yet Sarawak thinks it is different. Not sure why it has that attitude. Probably because of politics rather than economics or science.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 17 2025, 05:04 PM)
Compared with ev, fuel cell vehicle is harder to manufacture. At the moment, green H2 is expensive but with advancing technology, green H2 production cost will be cheaper.
Ev is similarly going through a few stages of energy conversion. The source of ev energy may not be green.
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You can already do it with solar panels on your roof top now lah. Not green enough for you? Must be super ultra green, like for example the solar panels and EV must use green electricity to make? That's the future, not now, when most electricity is from solar.
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QUOTE(haya @ May 17 2025, 04:56 PM)
the "saying" is "jack of all trades, master of none".. they are already good at agriculture, but rather govt double down on the effort to bring it to next level like more focus on biotech research facility... but rather choose to have some high buzz word project..
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 05:08 PM)
You can already do it with solar panels on your roof top now lah. Not green enough for you? Must be super ultra green, like for example the solar panels and EV must use green electricity to make? That's the future, not now, when most electricity is from solar.
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Do you know how much KW.h electricity could be produced from one M2 of solar panel?

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post May 17 2025, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(brkli @ May 17 2025, 05:14 PM)
the "saying" is "jack of all trades, master of none".. they are already good at agriculture, but rather govt double down on the effort to bring it to next level like more focus on biotech research facility... but rather choose to have some high buzz word project..
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Well better than being dependent on 1 industry. Places like Saudi Arabia or Brunei or Portugal with 1 industry making up the economy: is it any better?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 17 2025, 05:17 PM)
Do you know how much KW.h electricity could be produced from one M2 of solar panel?
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Doesn't matter how much it produces. Your roofs are not doing anything with the sunlight that shines on it.

To produce 20kwh per day needs 5kw of panels, around 80 sq meter of solar panels. Totally doable.

Solar tiles have been produced. It makes more sense to use them rather than traditional ones and then add solar panels.


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QUOTE(trusol @ May 19 2025, 04:36 PM)
Doesn't matter how much it produces. Your roofs are not doing anything with the sunlight that shines on it.

To produce 20kwh per day needs 5kw of panels, around 80 sq meter of solar panels. Totally doable.

Solar tiles have been produced. It makes more sense to use them rather than traditional ones and then add solar panels.
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How many home could install 80m2 solar panels without causing the roof to leak?



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