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News Sarawak launches hydrogen economy roadmap, all in hydrogen?

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smsid
post May 14 2025, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 10:39 PM)
water splitting uses a lot of energy and also not efficient.

this is just another wayang from sarawak to say they're green and shit

you know whats the best? nuclear energy
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They are scaling back on nuclear power station.

Look at Spain, almost no news lately after major blackout for days.

Now they are doubling down on useless green energy initiatives after the blackout, to further crippled their own existing power supply and wasting billions of money to dismantle their already existing nuclear power stations.

So they are dismantling all 7 nuclear power stations by 2035, crazy right?

People are getting stupider by the year, especially the politicians.

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Spain is phasing out its nuclear power plants by 2035, with the first shutdown planned for 2027. The country has confirmed plans to close all seven remaining reactors between 2027 and 2035. This phase-out is part of a broader shift towards renewable energy sources.

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MADRID, Dec 27 (Reuters) - Spain on Wednesday confirmed plans to close the country's nuclear plants by 2035 as it presented energy measures including extended deadlines for renewable projects and adjusted renewable auctions.

The management of radioactive waste and dismantling of the plants, whose shut down will begin in 2027, will cost about 20.2 billion euros ($22.4 billion) and will be paid for by a fund supported by the plants' operators, the government said.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/spa...nes-2023-12-27/

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pinamorita
post May 14 2025, 09:57 AM

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Kejap AI kejap hydrogen
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post May 14 2025, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 14 2025, 07:38 AM)
So transporting EV's with fossil fuels how?
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Your EV everyday shipped from China and then at night shipped back to China? EV is charged via the electricity grid, electricity is delivered by electrons.

Hydrogen fuel stations must be re-supplied by very expensive storage trucks after only 30 to 60 cars have refueled because hydrogen is too low-density.


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post May 14 2025, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(smsid @ May 14 2025, 08:41 AM)
They are scaling back on nuclear power station.

Look at Spain, almost no news lately after major blackout for days.

Now they are doubling down on useless green energy initiatives after the blackout, to further crippled their own existing power supply and wasting billions of money to dismantle their already existing nuclear power stations.

So they are dismantling all 7 nuclear power stations by 2035, crazy right?

People are getting stupider by the year, especially the politicians.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/spa...nes-2023-12-27/
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China truly understands how to use renewable energy properly. People often ask why China is building so many new coal and nuclear power stations but at the same time add so much solar power.
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post May 14 2025, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2025, 08:08 AM)
Transport green H2 in ammonia is a solution.
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Transporting lots of ammonia around is really asking for trouble. Imagine an overturned ammonia-carrying truck in a densely populated area. On top of that, must have ammonia cracking and hydrogen liquefaction facility at every refueling stations? Madness.
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post May 14 2025, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 06:44 PM)
Transporting lots of ammonia around is really asking for trouble. Imagine an overturned ammonia-carrying truck in a densely populated area. On top of that, must have ammonia cracking and hydrogen liquefaction facility at every refueling stations? Madness.
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There are hydrogen refuelling station in PRC and Japanese cities. A H2 refuelling station is near Tokyo tower.

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post May 15 2025, 06:31 AM

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QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 06:44 PM)
Transporting lots of ammonia around is really asking for trouble. Imagine an overturned ammonia-carrying truck in a densely populated area. On top of that, must have ammonia cracking and hydrogen liquefaction facility at every refueling stations? Madness.
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And somehow we manage to do that with petrol and diesel and gas tanks.

But say hydrogen (plus minus ammonia) and people lose their minds
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QUOTE(haya @ May 15 2025, 06:31 AM)
And somehow we manage to do that with petrol and diesel and gas tanks.

But say hydrogen (plus minus ammonia) and people lose their minds
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Ammonia truck crash same level of danger with petrol truck crash?

On May 11, 1976, an ammonia truck disaster killed 7 Houstonians and injured nearly 200

That above incident fortunately happened on a highway. If happen in a densely populated area, how many will die? Anyone near the ammonia cloud very likely to suffocate to death. Any part of your body with water such as your eyes, throat and lungs will be burned. Petrol fumes not easy to kill anyone.



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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 02:11 AM)
Ammonia truck crash same level of danger with petrol truck crash?

That above incident fortunately happened on a highway. If happen in a densely populated area, how many will die? Anyone near the ammonia cloud very likely to suffocate to death. Any part of your body with water such as your eyes, throat and lungs will be burned. Petrol fumes not easy to kill anyone.

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petrol tanker truck is more dangerous as easier to ignite.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2025, 07:35 PM)
There are hydrogen refuelling station in PRC and Japanese cities. A H2 refuelling station is near Tokyo tower.
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Hydrogen supply reliability is a huge problem. No such problem with electricity.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 17 2025, 02:14 AM)
petrol tanker truck is more dangerous as easier to ignite.
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Only those stupid enough go very near it greedy for the fuel can potentially be burnt if there was a spark.

Ammonia clouds can cover a very large area.


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post May 17 2025, 04:24 AM

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Kejap AI kejap hydrogen
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Professional kind of songlap is like that one.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 02:26 AM)
Hydrogen supply reliability is a huge problem. No such problem with electricity.
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Japan, PRC, etc are promoting fuel cell vehicle.

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post May 17 2025, 09:29 AM

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Roadmap is good

But the implementation of that roadmap is a whole another thing to do

Getting ready to be one of the exporters of hydrogen fuel of the future is indeed a good idea.
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post May 17 2025, 09:33 AM

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Why cant they just focus on less tech intense industries? They got huge land so focus on agriculture la at least most of those rural people there will have more job opportunities in something theyre familiar with. Look at australia, new zealand
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post May 17 2025, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(trusol @ May 17 2025, 02:11 AM)
Ammonia truck crash same level of danger with petrol truck crash?

On May 11, 1976, an ammonia truck disaster killed 7 Houstonians and injured nearly 200

That above incident fortunately happened on a highway. If happen in a densely populated area, how many will die? Anyone near the ammonia cloud very likely to suffocate to death. Any part of your body with water such as your eyes, throat and lungs will be burned. Petrol fumes not easy to kill anyone.


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Meanwhile fuel tankers:









But once hydrogen and ammonia are involved people lose their minds
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post May 17 2025, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(ruffy_z @ May 17 2025, 09:33 AM)
Why cant they just focus on less tech intense industries? They got huge land so focus on agriculture la at least most of those rural people there will have more job opportunities in something theyre familiar with. Look at australia, new zealand
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So East Malaysians are not worthy of climbing up the value chain and are locked out from the wealth of industrialization?

Guess in the past you would have told the Taiwanese to stick to growing mango's and and rice, instead of having TSMC or Asus, because China would invade them anyway. Stick to something that they're familiar with, amrite?
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post May 17 2025, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 17 2025, 12:52 PM)
So East Malaysians are not worthy of climbing up the value chain and are locked out from the wealth of industrialization?

Guess in the past you would have told the Taiwanese to stick to growing mango's and and rice, instead of having TSMC or Asus, because China would invade them anyway. Stick to something that they're familiar with, amrite?
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Dude, taiwan is how many million people compared to the 2.4 million sarawakians. They have much more talents over there. You do swot analysis and pick the best strategy
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post May 17 2025, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(ruffy_z @ May 17 2025, 03:55 PM)
Dude, taiwan is how many million people compared to the 2.4 million sarawakians. They have much more talents over there. You do swot analysis and pick the best strategy
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And how much population does Singapore have?

They should have just went back crawling to Malaysia after 1965 right?
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post May 17 2025, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(ruffy_z @ May 17 2025, 09:33 AM)
Why cant they just focus on less tech intense industries? They got huge land so focus on agriculture la at least most of those rural people there will have more job opportunities in something theyre familiar with. Look at australia, new zealand
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We are, but it is not high income industry to attract back Sarawakians to work here.

The plan is to diversify into higher tier industries to attract talents, and to retain the work force. Agriculture is the back bone, but focusing on it is dead end also.

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