QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 07:00 PM)
Utterly bollock. By product of hydrogen production is oxygen.This post has been edited by icemanfx: May 13 2025, 09:53 PM
News Sarawak launches hydrogen economy roadmap, all in hydrogen?
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May 13 2025, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE(70U63 @ May 13 2025, 08:21 PM) Build many hydro power dams... ouch that butthurtnessCement supplied by orang sendiri Forest area cleared by orang sendiri Timber orang sendiri ambil If lazy, major construction works (including engineering) can sub to CCP. Must push kaw kaw, push orang sendiri (tycoons) to use hydrogen power in their operations. Petros semua orang sendiri ambil. Instracture bagi semua orang sendiri... Recently ada orang dreaming these.... (too 'innocent' already these ppl). ![]() |
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 13 2025, 07:16 PM) QUOTE(9m2w @ May 13 2025, 07:19 PM) Costs implications I believe Sarawak don't owe semenanjung, could sell to whoever gives a higher price.Project revived that portion removed. After it was revived wanted to start up but economic conditions not favourable |
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QUOTE(70U63 @ May 13 2025, 08:21 PM) Build many hydro power dams... ouch that butthurtnessCement supplied by orang sendiri Forest area cleared by orang sendiri Timber orang sendiri ambil If lazy, major construction works (including engineering) can sub to CCP. Must push kaw kaw, push orang sendiri (tycoons) to use hydrogen power in their operations. Petros semua orang sendiri ambil. Instracture bagi semua orang sendiri... Recently ada orang dreaming these.... (too 'innocent' already these ppl). ![]() |
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 13 2025, 09:56 PM) Nobody says you owe semenanjungOriginal bakun federal project was supposed to supply back excess to Semenanjung for a fair price not unlike other ipp suppliers via submarine cables but the economic crisis shelved the submarine cable part. They later wanted to revive it as there was excess supply of electricity and only TNB and GLCs willing to undertake the project to lay the cables. But iinm it cost too much So if Sarawak can find ways to use it up all the best. I don't know if you can find other buyers who can give you the sweet spot of high price and also footing the infra bill for the cables |
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May 13 2025, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 13 2025, 09:52 PM) water splitting uses a lot of energy and also not efficient.this is just another wayang from sarawak to say they're green and shit you know whats the best? nuclear energy ntw liked this post
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QUOTE(smsid @ May 13 2025, 09:58 PM) Lol, that's only true if they use water to extract those hydrogen, but by doing that would be bad for long term, you will be depleting fresh water supply. Nao Jin Shui. Do you know how much H2 could be produced from 1m3 of water?QUOTE(9m2w @ May 13 2025, 10:06 PM) Nobody says you owe semenanjung Sg offer higher KW.h rate than tnb.Original bakun federal project was supposed to supply back excess to Semenanjung for a fair price not unlike other ipp suppliers via submarine cables but the economic crisis shelved the submarine cable part. They later wanted to revive it as there was excess supply of electricity and only TNB and GLCs willing to undertake the project to lay the cables. But iinm it cost too much So if Sarawak can find ways to use it up all the best. I don't know if you can find other buyers who can give you the sweet spot of high price and also footing the infra bill for the cables QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 10:39 PM) water splitting uses a lot of energy and also not efficient. You have no idea of demand for green hydrogen.this is just another wayang from sarawak to say they're green and shit you know whats the best? nuclear energy |
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May 13 2025, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 13 2025, 09:51 PM) Nobody has a natural gas tank at home.Natural gas is mostly methane (CH4), very costly to liquify. The cooking gas we have at home is LPG (liquified petroleum gas) are mostly propane (C3H8) and butane (C4H10), which are far bigger molecules than methane, which is why they could be economically liquified. |
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QUOTE(eds2 @ May 13 2025, 10:39 PM) water splitting uses a lot of energy and also not efficient. On top the wasteful energy needed to split water, storing and transporting hydrogen are also very energy wasteful.this is just another wayang from sarawak to say they're green and shit you know whats the best? nuclear energy |
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 13 2025, 11:54 PM) Nobody has a natural gas tank at home. LPG has more energy than hydrogen and everyone has at least a tank at home.Natural gas is mostly methane (CH4), very costly to liquify. The cooking gas we have at home is LPG (liquified petroleum gas) are mostly propane (C3H8) and butane (C4H10), which are far bigger molecules than methane, which is why they could be economically liquified. QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 12:00 AM) On top the wasteful energy needed to split water, storing and transporting hydrogen are also very energy wasteful. The objective of green hydrogen is to reduce carbon footprint. |
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2025, 12:06 AM) LPG has more energy than hydrogen and everyone has at least a tank at home. Look back at your initial response lah. It was about volatility, i.e. far easier to kaboom because hydrogen escapes confinement very easily, never about energy density.QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 14 2025, 12:06 AM) The objective of green hydrogen is to reduce carbon footprint. How to reduce carbon footprint if storing and transporting "green" hydrogen are going to use a lot of fossil fuels? |
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May 14 2025, 07:33 AM
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East msia is known for LNG. Suddenly hydrogen. Kek
Like sendiri got chicken farm, then suddenly says duck is better. |
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QUOTE(Paradigmata @ May 14 2025, 07:38 AM) East msia is known for LNG. Suddenly hydrogen. Kek Before East Malaysia was known for LNG, it was known for pineapples and pepper.Like sendiri got chicken farm, then suddenly says duck is better. Guess back then someone also said that sendiri got chicken farm, then suddenly says duck is better |
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Can't wait to trade in my hilux for a hilux H2.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 14 2025, 12:20 AM) Look back at your initial response lah. It was about volatility, i.e. far easier to kaboom because hydrogen escapes confinement very easily, never about energy density. Transport green H2 in ammonia is a solution.How to reduce carbon footprint if storing and transporting "green" hydrogen are going to use a lot of fossil fuels? |
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Sarawak aims to be Asean's leading green energy hub
By ANDY CHUA Nation Tuesday, 13 May 2025 10:40 PM MYT SIBU: Sarawak is positioning itself as the leading hub for renewable energy in the Asean region, with a comprehensive development strategy that focuses on economic prosperity, social inclusivity and environmental sustainability. Premier Tan Sri Abang Johari Openg said Sarawak's transition into a green economy is well underway, driven by technological innovation, renewable resources and a strong commitment to sustainability. "Our development strategy rests on three pillars – economic prosperity, social inclusivity and environmental sustainability. I am proud to say that Sarawakians have responded positively to this direction," he said at the Rimbunan Hijau Group of Companies' 50th anniversary celebration on Tuesday (May 13) night. He highlighted the state's progression from a digital economy to one centred on green energy, particularly renewable sources such as hydrogen, supported by artificial intelligence and digitalisation. "After introducing our digital economy, we migrated to what we call real green energy. Now we are focusing on renewable energy. Using AI and digitalisation enhances this new era of our economic strategy," he said. Abang Johari stressed that Sarawak's abundance of natural resources provides a competitive advantage in renewable energy production. "We are fortunate to be blessed with water and gas resources that enable the extraction of hydrogen – the cleanest form of energy – to replace fossil fuels. Hydrogen from water and methane offers us a viable alternative fuel to power our economy," he said. He added that Sarawak's ultimate goal is to become the hub of renewable energy in Asean through the "Asean Green" initiative. "We must align our economy with ESG principles. We have the resources, but what is crucial now is the development of our human capital," he said. Reflecting on a recent engagement with the London School of Economics, Abang Johari shared that international academics recognised Sarawak's potential. "The professors at LSE said we are very fortunate in our part of the world – Borneo and Sarawak – because we possess what is now termed 'natural capital': untouched forests acting as carbon sinks, abundant hydrogen potential and people who can be trained." He said the synergy between natural capital and human capital, driven by innovation and entrepreneurship, would allow Sarawak to thrive in the green economy. "With the success of initiatives like Rimbunan Hijau and our continued focus on green development, I am confident Sarawak will become 'hijau, hijau, hijau' (green) for the world economy," he said. Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...reen-energy-hub |
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