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post May 8 2025, 09:25 PM, updated 8 months ago

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Expected Price of P2 EMO
leasing battery: <RM80k
with battery: <RM90k

One of the information that was shared was the fact that the EV is reaching 90-percent into development which means, the automaker will be able to launch the EV by the end of this year as stated.

Moreover, to make sure that the EMO is priced below RM100,000, Perodua will be introducing a Battery-as-a-Service (BaaS) model—the first in Malaysia. Instead of owning the battery, buyers can lease it for a minimal monthly fee. The ‘rental’ fee is the minimum, and based on surveys by Perodua, many are in favour of this method, according to Zainal.

This strategy is also the national automaker’s way of addressing the issue of electric vehicle (EV) resale value. At present, EVs tend to depreciate more rapidly than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, primarily due to the high cost of battery replacement.

To counter this, customers have the option to purchase the EMO’s battery outright, which includes a standard eight-year warranty. Additionally, Zainal noted that if necessary, the EMO’s battery can be swapped in just 30 minutes.

Pre-production of the EMO will begin in September at Perodua’s new BEV facility in Sg Choh, where the company will produce around 500 units per month initially. The EV will also be the first Perodua model to use hot press-formed steel, with Zainal also confirming the platform is Perodua’s own IP, with no involvement from Daihatsu.

https://www.lowyat.net/2025/351067/perodua-...pt-at-mas-2025/



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post May 8 2025, 09:28 PM

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now you disconnect positive, negative, then reconnect both from the new battery.... I think also take less than 30 minutes biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(smallbug @ May 8 2025, 09:28 PM)
now you disconnect positive, negative, then reconnect both from the new battery....   I think also take less than 30 minutes  biggrin.gif
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can existing BYD or Proton Geely replace theirs in 30 mins? or they are built-in and cannot be replaced and must scrape the whole car together? hence, resale value down the drain?

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how about byd replacement...if byd cant do it i doubt p2 can whistling.gif
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 09:25 PM)
One of the information that was shared was the fact that the EV is reaching 90-percent into development which means, the automaker will be able to launch the EV by the end of this year as stated.

Moreover, to make sure that the EMO is priced below RM100,000, Perodua will be introducing a Battery-as-a-Service (BaaS) model—the first in Malaysia. Instead of owning the battery, buyers can lease it for a minimal monthly fee. The ‘rental’ fee is the minimum, and based on surveys by Perodua, many are in favour of this method, according to Zainal.

This strategy is also the national automaker’s way of addressing the issue of electric vehicle (EV) resale value. At present, EVs tend to depreciate more rapidly than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, primarily due to the high cost of battery replacement.

To counter this, customers have the option to purchase the EMO’s battery outright, which includes a standard eight-year warranty. Additionally, Zainal noted that if necessary, the EMO’s battery can be swapped in just 30 minutes.

Pre-production of the EMO will begin in September at Perodua’s new BEV facility in Sg Choh, where the company will produce around 500 units per month initially. The EV will also be the first Perodua model to use hot press-formed steel, with Zainal also confirming the platform is Perodua’s own IP, with no involvement from Daihatsu.

https://www.lowyat.net/2025/351067/perodua-...pt-at-mas-2025/
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Can swap in 30mins also no use if no on hand spare part.
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>battery rental

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If it's designed from the start to be swappable, 30 minutes is more than enough. Nio has already demonstrated automated battery swapping at less than 5 minutes.
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Hallo???!!!!!!! What in the blue hell are you promoting battery swapping in 30 minutes for? NIO is pioneer in this!!! Your 30 minutes means nothing if you are selling this concept without swap stations. Like NIO has it in CN for 5 MINUTES!!!

Fast charging is already breaching 15 minutes today and you are selling 30 minute battery swaps?? What kind of stupid is this?
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 8 2025, 09:46 PM)
Hallo???!!!!!!! What in the blue hell are you promoting battery swapping in 30 minutes for? NIO is pioneer in this!!! Your 30 minutes means nothing if you are selling this concept without swap stations. Like NIO has it in CN for 5 MINUTES!!!

Fast charging is already breaching 15 minutes today and you are selling 30 minute battery swaps?? What kind of stupid is this?
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you won't get 15min full charge in Malaysia charging stations. that's for sure. in China maybe since they have 1MW charging stations and cold weather.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 8 2025, 09:46 PM)
Hallo???!!!!!!! What in the blue hell are you promoting battery swapping in 30 minutes for? NIO is pioneer in this!!! Your 30 minutes means nothing if you are selling this concept without swap stations. Like NIO has it in CN for 5 MINUTES!!!

Fast charging is already breaching 15 minutes today and you are selling 30 minute battery swaps?? What kind of stupid is this?
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...why u comparing battery charging with battery swapping?
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One of the information that was shared was the fact that the EV is reaching 90-percent into development which means, the automaker will be able to launch the EV by the end of this year as stated.

Moreover, to make sure that the EMO is priced below RM100,000, Perodua will be introducing a Battery-as-a-Service (BaaS) model—the first in Malaysia. Instead of owning the battery, buyers can lease it for a minimal monthly fee. The ‘rental’ fee is the minimum, and based on surveys by Perodua, many are in favour of this method, according to Zainal.

This strategy is also the national automaker’s way of addressing the issue of electric vehicle (EV) resale value. At present, EVs tend to depreciate more rapidly than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, primarily due to the high cost of battery replacement.

To counter this, customers have the option to purchase the EMO’s battery outright, which includes a standard eight-year warranty. Additionally, Zainal noted that if necessary, the EMO’s battery can be swapped in just 30 minutes.

Pre-production of the EMO will begin in September at Perodua’s new BEV facility in Sg Choh, where the company will produce around 500 units per month initially. The EV will also be the first Perodua model to use hot press-formed steel, with Zainal also confirming the platform is Perodua’s own IP, with no involvement from Daihatsu.

https://www.lowyat.net/2025/351067/perodua-...pt-at-mas-2025/
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I'd have to say Syabas Perodua rclxms.gif

Finally come out from the Daihatsu/Toyota closet.

If successful maybe we'd even see a rebadged Daihatsu/Toyota based on this Perodua laugh.gif
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30mins swapping battery?

ktard say petrol 5mins je

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 09:53 PM)
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wa tarak excited at all, Perodua is newbie in EV era, if u dare u go and buy and become lab rat.

Battery is certainly quite ok with CATL battery, the other thing u need to watch out is P2 capability on building on the motor, as i know this motor is develop on their own even without Toyota help, Daihatsu has zero knowledge in EV car, even Toyota has to partner with China to build the whole supply chain.

Mind u the issue of battery leasing is yet to be disclose, many things need to sort out on this leasing scheme, does it require the owner pay for life for its battery?

Safety wise they better make sure it is comparable with the China one, the battery need to have good protective cover to prevent scratches and major accident.

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Gonna kena black market.. people swap all the good battery out from P2 then change with cheap2 one.. then sell off.. new opportunity
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 8 2025, 10:00 PM)
wa tarak excited at all, Perodua is newbie in EV era, if u dare u go and buy and become lab rat.

Battery is certainly quite ok with CATL battery, the other thing u need to watch out is P2 capability on building on the motor, as i know this motor is develop on their own even without Toyota help, Daihatsu has zero knowledge in EV car, even Toyota has to partner with China to build the whole supply chain.

Mind u the issue of battery leasing is yet to be disclose, many things need to sort out on this leasing scheme, does it require the owner pay for life for its battery?

Safety wise they better make sure it is comparable with the China one, the battery need to have good protective cover to prevent scratches and major accident.
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exactly, i have no confidence in perodua without toyota. they should just continue to rebadge toyota models. yaris cross hybrid or myvi hybrid

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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 8 2025, 10:00 PM)
wa tarak excited at all, Perodua is newbie in EV era, if u dare u go and buy and become lab rat.

Battery is certainly quite ok with CATL battery, the other thing u need to watch out is P2 capability on building on the motor, as i know this motor is develop on their own even without Toyota help, Daihatsu has zero knowledge in EV car, even Toyota has to partner with China to build the whole supply chain.

Mind u the issue of battery leasing is yet to be disclose, many things need to sort out on this leasing scheme, does it require the owner pay for life for its battery?

Safety wise they better make sure it is comparable with the China one, the battery need to have good protective cover to prevent scratches and major accident.
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I think today the media was told there is options for the battery.

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To counter this, customers have the option to purchase the EMO’s battery outright, which includes a standard eight-year warranty. Additionally, Zainal noted that if necessary, the EMO’s battery can be swapped in just 30 minutes.


Obviously the marketing are not yet confirmed.

Looks like EV can easily build
That's why Perodua and CCP so many EV brands
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I want them to succeed, for sure
But would I buy the first one? No

Idk man they seem so weirdly fixated on the battery leasing and resale value aspect.

Like they’re trying to corner a specific market of ppl but those ppl don’t care at all, but the ppl that actually may be interested in a sub 100k EV they got no points to make them excited.

Who are they actually trying to sell this to is my question
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QUOTE(DogeGamingPRO @ May 8 2025, 10:07 PM)
I want them to succeed, for sure
But would I buy the first one? No

Idk man they seem so weirdly fixated on the battery leasing and resale value aspect.

Like they’re trying to corner a specific market of ppl but those ppl don’t care at all, but the ppl that actually may be interested in a sub 100k EV they got no points to make them excited.

Who are they actually trying to sell this to is my question
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QUOTE(submergedx @ May 8 2025, 10:04 PM)
I think today the media was told there is options for the battery.
Obviously the marketing are not yet confirmed.

Looks like EV can easily build
That's why Perodua and CCP so many EV brands
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Let's see what is the options available for battery leasing

QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 10:11 PM)

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With LFP long life cycle, what the heck they need to lease the battery? just attached together and sell it off lah.

The main problem is the price point might cost around RM90k if they include the battery in it.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 8 2025, 10:18 PM)
Let's see what is the options available for battery leasing
With LFP long life cycle, what the heck they need to lease the battery? just attached together and sell it off lah.

The main problem is the price point might cost around RM90k if they include the battery in it.
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according to the YouTube i posted.

leasing battery: <RM80k
with battery: <RM90k
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Battery leasing is something that sounds good when u first hear it because u don’t need to worry about degradation etc.

But once u get into the nuances and try to work out the economics it’s still hard.

Even for Nio where they have battery leasing + battery swapping also hard to take off.

If pure battery leasing idk how it’s gonna be.
Either way the cost of the battery is going to be paid at the end of the day. And there must be some threshold where u can change a new battery, maybe like below 70% or 80% battery health similar to the warranty given by other manufacturers now. But how long u are going to drive it until u reach that point, and how much of the battery lease cost have you paid up till that point, maybe already more than the cost of 1 battery. So you’re kinda paying more for sort of an insurance policy that if my battery health goes below a certain percentage then I can change it to a more healthy one. And maybe the terms won’t be that u can swap to a brand new battery but just a “relatively healthy” one as long as above the threshold.

Either way I think it’s popular when mentioned as an idea (i.e. in a survey) but when it comes to execution time there would be so much nuance to consider and it may cost more in the end and when ppl see the final terms its gonna be a little off putting.

That’s just what I think about the whole battery leasing thing. At the end of the day I don’t think there’s much real benefits to it.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 10:22 PM)
according to the YouTube i posted.

leasing battery: <RM80k
with battery: <RM90k
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Then at that point I think the battery leasing is just a decoy and marketing thing and in the end more ppl gonna buy it outright with battery lol
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Then at that point I think the battery leasing is just a decoy and marketing thing and in the end more ppl gonna buy it outright with battery lol
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don't forget EV battery price is decreasing.

maybe in TnC can allow user to switch to new gen battery with higher capacity after a year?

if got such TnC drool.gif

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 8 2025, 10:46 PM)
Hallo???!!!!!!! What in the blue hell are you promoting battery swapping in 30 minutes for? NIO is pioneer in this!!! Your 30 minutes means nothing if you are selling this concept without swap stations. Like NIO has it in CN for 5 MINUTES!!!

Fast charging is already breaching 15 minutes today and you are selling 30 minute battery swaps?? What kind of stupid is this?
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but you won't get such charging in Malaysia.
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30 mins swap?

As in you use few year, battery dropped to 90%, u go perodua change a new battery?

or

No charging open, battery kong, swap a new battery every week? if like this, masuk highway how ah.

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They say Car Price 80K + Battery 80K = 160K very cheap.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 09:48 PM)
you won't get 15min full charge in Malaysia charging stations. that's for sure. in China maybe since they have 1MW charging stations and cold weather.
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exactly, i have no confidence in perodua without toyota. they should just continue to rebadge toyota models. yaris cross hybrid or myvi hybrid
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I don't think quality will be a major issue.

the competitors will slash until nothing left.

unless of course Madani stop kowtow to XJP brands and put a high price barrier to other brands when EMO launches to "kickstart" their own market.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 8 2025, 09:46 PM)
Hallo???!!!!!!! What in the blue hell are you promoting battery swapping in 30 minutes for? NIO is pioneer in this!!! Your 30 minutes means nothing if you are selling this concept without swap stations. Like NIO has it in CN for 5 MINUTES!!!

Fast charging is already breaching 15 minutes today and you are selling 30 minute battery swaps?? What kind of stupid is this?
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if necessary, the EMO’s battery can be swapped in just 30 minutes


If Battery rosak, 30 minutes siap tukar..
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QUOTE(Sichiri @ May 8 2025, 09:50 PM)
...why u comparing battery charging with battery swapping?
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Because it is a race game on who has the final answer in replenishing energy. Until the time comes when there would be a power source good enough to last a few years without needing to charge. All these charging and swapping are only temporary technologies. You might as well go with fast charging today since it is still working in the same principal of filling up.

The only reason why they market battery swapping is because you have to buy the battery separately. And that is even on lease and not ownership! It is for their cause (to sell cars) not for you the consumer (ease of ownership), why do you support this? doh.gif
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i assumed that on top of battery swap ..u still can charge right? lol
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 8 2025, 11:03 PM)
Because it is a race game on who has the final answer in replenishing energy. Until the time comes when there would be a power source good enough to last a few years without needing to charge. All these charging and swapping are only temporary technologies. You might as well go with fast charging today since it is still working in the same principal of filling up.

The only reason why they market battery swapping is because you have to buy the battery separately. And that is even on lease and not ownership! It is for their cause (to sell cars) not for you the consumer (ease of ownership), why do you support this?  doh.gif
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i tot news mentioned u can outright or lease?

but yes ..car price doesnt come with battery
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 8 2025, 11:03 PM)
Because it is a race game on who has the final answer in replenishing energy. Until the time comes when there would be a power source good enough to last a few years without needing to charge. All these charging and swapping are only temporary technologies. You might as well go with fast charging today since it is still working in the same principal of filling up.

The only reason why they market battery swapping is because you have to buy the battery separately. And that is even on lease and not ownership! It is for their cause (to sell cars) not for you the consumer (ease of ownership), why do you support this?  doh.gif
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........but u can still charge the car normally without swapping??????
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QUOTE(xtrabite @ May 8 2025, 11:02 PM)
If Battery rosak, 30 minutes siap tukar..
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Does that sell you confidence? Be truthful. When i owned a Xiaomi phone 1S, it has swappable batteries. So happy i could change it my self for RM30 a pop. But the phone has only 3 years of life until software support ended.

So what would you think about this scenario applied to a company that has no experience making EV, marketing the swappable gimmick as a god send innovation? When we all know Podua cars are famous for being cheap & disposable with high value retention? This won't happen with this car.

The market for people wiling to use an EV already stabilized with the expectation. These guys again and again uses marketing to brainwash people with unrealistic promises.
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QUOTE(Sichiri @ May 8 2025, 11:05 PM)
........but u can still charge the car normally without swapping??????
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Yes every EV can have their batteries swapped. But not without tearing the car apart. But they do not expect the battery to fail in any circumstance except physical damage. What good would a fast swappable battery be if its not to solve a problem? A problem that never existed? why would you want to swap a battery say 5-7 years down the road unless you want to do it for resale? Even then you are doing it at a loss. Makes no sense right?

If the swap feature is for mileage extension use. Here is it used only for maintenance. If your EV have to go in yearly to have its battery swapped out only to maintain charge quality, (even for free) you would not want that either right? You would question if the batteries are inferior.
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They say Car Price 80K + Battery 80K = 160K very cheap.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 8 2025, 11:03 PM)
The only reason why they market battery swapping is because you have to buy the battery separately. And that is even on lease and not ownership! It is for their cause (to sell cars) not for you the consumer (ease of ownership), why do you support this?  doh.gif
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my perspective is

EV battery price are reducing so if buy outright you already lost. ie you fixed yourself to the same battery.

one may have the opportunity to switch to new gen battery when leasing for the same size with longer range in future.

and EV battery is degrading overtime, not owning it is good thing. the 2nd hand owner can lease new battery when one bought the car.

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my perspective is

EV battery price are reducing so if buy outright you already lost. ie you fixed yourself to the same battery.

one may have the opportunity to switch to new gen battery when leasing for the same size with longer range in future.

and EV battery is degrading overtime, not owning it is good thing. the 2nd hand owner can lease new battery when one bought the car.
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Thats crazy that they would want to buy you a new gen battery lest say a 700km capable one for the current 500km one. And then you would have to top up. Perpetually financing the car that you would probably want to get rid off, lets say 5-7 years? Where is the balance of car age due to wear and tear? You could argue the motor could last 1 million km. But what about the interior and electronics?

And if you were offered to top up RM10K extra after 5 years of owner ship with a brand spanking new 700km battery, would you pay for it? How much could you offload the car for? And if the new owner can only afford to pay 50% of the original selling price as used car, would he be allowed to buy the new gen battery?

Companies are in the business of selling, not maintaining. Which is why a lot of cars face parts shortages. When they can delay you 1-6 months to get your car fixed, those are the months they do not need to worry about the warranty of your car. Because you can't use it and there is nothing you can do about it. They are happy they only need to wait x months to fix your car because they are killing your time, not theirs.
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Thats crazy that they would want to buy you a new gen battery lest say a 700km capable one for the current 500km one. And then you would have to top up. Perpetually financing the car that you would probably want to get rid off, lets say 5-7 years? Where is the balance of car age due to wear and tear? You could argue the motor could last 1 million km. But what about the interior and electronics?
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up to you unker. but i am optimistic about this Perodua model. Nio is also doing it with their Firefly.

another thing is i wonder how the ev car insurance is affected since currently ev car insurance is expensive mainly because of the battery. when subscribing to ev battery, the battery is not owned by the car user. so not sure will the insurance be cheaper since it does not need to cover the battery.

now Perodua need to give more details on the battery leasing plan.

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 11:47 PM)
up to you unker. but i am optimistic about this Perodua model. Nio is also doing it with their Firefly.

another thing is i wonder how the ev car insurance is affected since currently ev car insurance is expensive mainly because of the battery. when subscribing to ev battery, the battery is not owned by the car user. so not sure will the insurance be cheaper since it does not need to cover the battery.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 10:22 PM)
according to the YouTube i posted.

leasing battery: <RM80k
with battery: <RM90k
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Impossible that battery cost only RM10k based on the current battery price, if 50kwh it should be additional RM20k

QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 11:30 PM)
my perspective is

EV battery price are reducing so if buy outright you already lost. ie you fixed yourself to the same battery.

one may have the opportunity to switch to new gen battery when leasing for the same size with longer range in future.

and EV battery is degrading overtime, not owning it is good thing. the 2nd hand owner can lease new battery when one bought the car.
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So u telling me when the battery price reduce, perodua also will reduce battery leasing price per month/year? Then what happen to the initial cost of battery which Perodua fork out? Do business rugi kah? laugh.gif

LFP battery has proven it has high life cycle, so battery leasing is more like a money making machine out from future perodua emo owner like u.
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Impossible that battery cost only RM10k based on the current battery price, if 50kwh it should be additional RM20k
So u telling me when the battery price reduce, perodua also will reduce battery leasing price per month/year? Then what happen to the initial cost of battery which Perodua fork out? Do business rugi kah? laugh.gif

LFP battery has proven it has high life cycle, so battery leasing is more like a money making machine out from future perodua emo owner like u.
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i doubt they will make you pay full price of the battery over say 9 years. then what's the difference between the 2 plan?

well that's what the Perodua CEO told the media about the price difference.

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i doubt they will make you pay full price of the battery over say 9 years. then what's the difference between the 2 plan?

well that's what the Perodua CEO told the media about the price difference.
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mana i tau, go ask Perodua CEO.

Mind u the charging rate for this emo is damn slow, 30-80% DC charging take 30 mins, the charging rate for DC is merely 50kw max based on 50kwh battery.

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mana i tau, go ask Perodua CEO.

Mind u the charging rate for this emo is damn slow, 30-80% DC charging take 30 mins, the charging rate for DC is merely 50kw max based on 50kwh battery.
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Yes every EV can have their batteries swapped. But not without tearing the car apart. But they do not expect the battery to fail in any circumstance except physical damage. What good would a fast swappable battery be if its not to solve a problem? A problem that never existed? why would you want to swap a battery say 5-7 years down the road unless you want to do it for resale? Even then you are doing it at a loss. Makes no sense right?

If the swap feature is for mileage extension use. Here is it used only for maintenance. If your EV have to go in yearly to have its battery swapped out only to maintain charge quality, (even for free) you would not want that either right? You would question if the batteries are inferior.
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Pretty sure you don't need to "tear apart" this car since they claim they can change the batteries in less than an hour

batteries have a life cycle. They can degrade over time and every time you charge the battery. Same as phones. Now, the RV for most electric cars are affected mainly because everyone is worried about the battery degradation as a second hand car.

Leasing works to solve that problem, and completely eliminates that particular problem as a second hand car.

I think going in once annually (for 30 minutes) for a maintenance check / change batteries is not a very big ask for a car owner. I've known car owners whose cars are in workshops much more often than once a year.

also, since i am also looking to shift to EV in a couple of years, i have been told by EV owners to not use the fast charge option at home to conserve the battery life expectancy. Guess you dont need to do that with the lease option.

Personally i think its a great idea. Dont really see your points against leasing batteries.

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 09:32 PM)
can existing BYD or Proton Geely replace theirs in 30 mins? or they are built-in and cannot be replaced and must scrape the whole car together? hence, resale value down the drain?
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doesn't make sense, you keep changing battery for what? to get a full one? typical EV 10-80 also 30 min charging.

it is only feasible if the slot in and out averaging less than 5 minute for hotswap.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 9 2025, 01:13 AM)
Impossible that battery cost only RM10k based on the current battery price, if 50kwh it should be additional RM20k
u r only renting the battery

so definitely wont be just 10k over the car's lifetime.
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So if one day those car owners stop paying battery subscription fee, the car will be disabled remotely?

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So the lessor will be liable for the damages of the lessee vehicle in an event the EV battery suffers thermal runaway and all other fire related damages correct ?

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Will have cases battery suddenly tercabut from connectors or connectors malfunction and the car e-brake on the fast lane....

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I don't think quality will be a major issue.

the competitors will slash until nothing left.

unless of course Madani stop kowtow to XJP brands and put a high price barrier to other brands when EMO launches to "kickstart" their own market.
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I am skeptical perodua can do this. Perodua can't even make a good gas car on their own so what makes people think that they can make an EV when their parent can't.

Maybe it's a good time to leapfrog past ICE cars and go straight into EV but it's really a tall order for perodua to produce a world class EV, given the lack of expertise, ecosystem and a small domestic market. Let's face it, Malaysians people are not good scientists or engineers. They sure make good nasi lemak and some bedroom furniture though. Malaysia can sure produce 1~2 world class scientist but to make a world class EV? you need industrious population

If their EV is not world class, there is no point in making them because people would just go to their competition like BYD. cheaper, better, faster.

I admire the courage for them to take risks but I think they will the next Proton where their cars get abandoned by even Malaysians and ultimately has to be 'acquired' by another Chinese company or go bust. We've seen it before.

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I am skeptical perodua can do this. Perodua can't even make a good gas car on their own so what makes people think that they can make an EV when their parent can't.

Maybe it's a good time to leapfrog past ICE cars and go straight into EV but it's really a tall order for perodua to produce a world class EV, given the lack of expertise, ecosystem and a small domestic market. Let's face it, Malaysians people are not good scientists or engineers. They sure make good nasi lemak and some bedroom furniture though. Malaysia can sure produce 1~2 world class scientist but to make a world class EV? you need industrious population

If their EV is not world class, there is no point in making them because people would just go to their competition like BYD. cheaper, better, faster.

I admire the courage for them to take risks but I think they will the next Proton where their cars get abandoned by even Malaysians and ultimately has to be 'acquired' by another Chinese company or go bust. We've seen it before.
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Perodua dont do rebadged anymore. all their new car model were joint development with toyota and daihatsu. Even the new toyota vios was co develop with perodua n daihatsu in Perodua R&D facilities in rawang. Its been some time, p2 staff start working to co- design daihatsu/toyota models in japan, some even sold as toyota in japan (raize/ativa).

Perodua core principal is affordability, so i doubt their ev car will be more expensive than competitor in term of retail price/ spare part n battery.

Battery leasing is acctually a good idea. Example if u use the car for short drive/ go to work everyday u can lease the standard range. Cheaper battery monthly bills. If u plan to balik kampung or long distance driving u can lease the longer range battery variant instead of buying the long range variant from the start. (More expensive) After all it only takes 30 minutes to replace the battery.

China produce cars just like they produce their smartphone. They will flood the market with lots of models/variant, copy/"inspired by" more expensive car design, put latest/high tech gadget in their car n sell with low price/minimal profit. Suddenly this beautiful n high tech cars seem to become affordable for the masses. But wait when these car gadget breaks down, the masses probably will probably struggle to maintain it.

China cars not bad at all, it probably a good aternative for someone who plan to purchase a higher segment car /continental cars to save a lot of money n enjoy the same luxury experience with the same maintainance cost. But not for those who in reality only can afford to drive a segment A-B car. U can afford the monthly loan payment buy not the maintainance in the long run. Better stick with japanese or perodua cars

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So if one day those car owners stop paying battery subscription fee, the car will be disabled remotely?
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P2 cepat mengaku. You pakai CATL skateboard chassis, battery dan Battery Management System dia sekali kan???
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If only there's a solution to all these bullsh1t..... owai it's called an ICE

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I am skeptical perodua can do this. Perodua can't even make a good gas car on their own so what makes people think that they can make an EV when their parent can't.

Maybe it's a good time to leapfrog past ICE cars and go straight into EV but it's really a tall order for perodua to produce a world class EV, given the lack of expertise, ecosystem and a small domestic market. Let's face it, Malaysians people are not good scientists or engineers. They sure make good nasi lemak and some bedroom furniture though. Malaysia can sure produce 1~2 world class scientist but to make a world class EV? you need industrious population

If their EV is not world class, there is no point in making them because people would just go to their competition like BYD. cheaper, better, faster.

I admire the courage for them to take risks but I think they will the next Proton where their cars get abandoned by even Malaysians and ultimately has to be 'acquired' by another Chinese company or go bust. We've seen it before.
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Perodua dont do rebadged anymore. all their new car model were joint development  with toyota and daihatsu. Even the new toyota vios was co develop with perodua n daihatsu in Perodua R&D facilities in rawang. Its been some time, p2 staff start working to co- design daihatsu/toyota models in japan, some even sold as toyota in japan (raize/ativa).

Perodua core principal is affordability, so i doubt their ev car will be more expensive than competitor in term of retail price/ spare part n battery.

Battery leasing is acctually a good idea. Example if u use the car for short drive/ go to work everyday u can lease the standard range. Cheaper battery monthly bills. If u plan to balik kampung or long distance driving u can lease the longer range battery variant instead of buying the long range variant from the start. (More expensive) After all it only takes 30 minutes to replace the battery. 

China produce cars just like they produce their smartphone. They will flood the market with lots of models/variant, copy/"inspired by" more expensive car design, put latest/high tech gadget in their car n sell with low price/minimal profit. Suddenly this  beautiful n high tech cars seem to become affordable for the masses. But wait when these car gadget breaks down,  the masses probably will probably struggle to maintain it.

China cars not bad at all, it probably a good aternative for someone who plan to purchase a higher segment car /continental cars to save a lot of money n enjoy the same luxury experience with the same maintainance cost. But not for those who in reality only can afford to drive a segment A-B car. U can afford the monthly loan payment buy not the maintainance in the long run. Better stick with japanese or perodua cars
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Actually what is considered a good EV car? My perception of a good EV car is more towards the softwares and upgradability. Softwares cos most EV has sophisticated systems to manoeuvre ie self driven and the effectiveness of its software. Then the next is how long or how many updates can you get ie software support. Batteries performance is important but as we know, it is an evolving technology.

Most of the EV that I see has two of the above and batteries. I had a look at Perodua EV. Their air con is still button and their centre console is an 8” LCD. It is actually an ‘electrification’ of a car. There is not much info about the software system of the new EV from Perodua. What is stressed more is the batteries and everyone seems to be talking about the batteries, so far. If that is the case, I am ok for Perodua EV. It looks nice, SUV-like, a lot of manual type operations (I think) and does not have much software to allow autonomous driving. It is a basic electric car minus the sophisticated systems and therefore very very low maintenance, I suppose. And that is ok. I do think most cars nowadays has too much software feature. Heck, I read that to operate an aircon on some EV, you need to press a few electronic buttons on the LCD, not to mention the intricacies of knowing what to press etc etc. I am all for a basic electrification of a car power system and with very basic software feature. The simple the better cos I do not want to press many buttons just to listen to radio. The old car system just press the button to get the channels that we want. And I want air con? A button to switch it on, a know to set temperature and voila! No meddling with touch screens etc.

I think I am stupid to say this but I feel all these advance feature is unnecessary. Good to have but not a requirement. Peace!


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Actually what is considered a good EV car?  My perception of a good EV car is more towards the softwares and upgradability.  Softwares cos most EV has sophisticated systems to manoeuvre ie self driven and the effectiveness of its software.  Then the next is how long or how many updates can you get ie software support.  Batteries performance is important but as we know, it is an evolving technology. 

Most of the EV that I see has two of the above and batteries. I had a look at Perodua EV.  Their air con is still button and their centre console is an 8” LCD.  It is actually an ‘electrification’ of a car.  There is not much info about the software system of the new EV from Perodua.  What is stressed more is the batteries and everyone seems to be talking about the batteries, so far.  If that is the case, I am ok for Perodua EV.  It looks nice, SUV-like, a lot of manual type operations (I think) and does not have much software to allow autonomous driving.  It is a basic electric car minus the sophisticated systems and therefore very very low maintenance, I suppose.  And that is ok.  I do think most cars nowadays has too much software feature. Heck, I read that to operate an aircon on some EV, you need to press a few electronic buttons on the LCD, not to mention the intricacies of knowing what to press etc etc.  I am all for a basic electrification of a car power system and with very basic software feature.  The simple the better cos I do not want to press many buttons just to listen to radio.  The old car system just press the button to get the channels that we want.  And I want air con?  A button to switch it on, a know to set temperature and voila!  No meddling with touch screens etc.

I think I am stupid to say this but I feel all these advance feature is unnecessary.  Good to have but not a requirement.  Peace!
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I am stupider to say this, when are eyes should be focused on the road, the last thing a driver needs is to be fiddling the screen wondering where are the items that is required. MOT and safety all memang ke laut.

Just put in voice activated command la kan senang.

I think the best would be autonomous driving. Kejap let me take a screenshot of what the Chinese are doing, kind of stylish don't you think so ? I will be back with the correct screenshot and imagine Malaysians started doing this. The future is amazing ..

I wanted to post the screenshot of this driver relaxing which his hands behind his head and his legs up on the dashboard while the EV zooms down the highway. We already have mat rempit, so now we call these drivers what ?

The future is amazingly stupid, I say.

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I am stupider to say this, when are eyes should be focused on the road, the last thing a driver needs is to be fiddling the screen wondering where are the items that is required. MOT and safety all memang ke laut.

Just put in voice activated command la kan senang.

I think the best would be autonomous driving. Kejap let me take a screenshot of what the Chinese are doing, kind of stylish don't you think so ? I will be back with the correct screenshot and imagine Malaysians started doing this. The future is amazing ..

I wanted to post the screenshot of this driver relaxing which his hands behind his head and his legs up on the dashboard while the EV zooms down the highway. We already have mat rempit, so now we call these drivers what ?

The future is amazingly stupid, I say.
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I tend to disagree with you that the future is amazingly stupid. Life has become too convenient nowadays. Maybe I am the old fashion type who like life to be simple, like get into a car, key into the keyhole, start engine, press air on button and adjust T, press radio on and channel button, release hand brake and voila, let’s go! Nowadays, we must even wait for a few minutes in our car for our cold engine to ‘warm up’ before we drive off. You see a lot of cars waiting for get out of their parking lots cos the engine button is ‘cold’ . Those day, manada…. On engine and zoom we go. lol
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I tend to disagree with you that the future is amazingly stupid.  Life has become too convenient nowadays.  Maybe I am the old fashion type who like life to be simple, like get into a car, key into the keyhole, start engine, press air on button and adjust T, press radio on and channel button, release hand brake and voila, let’s go!  Nowadays, we must even wait for a few minutes in our car for our cold engine to ‘warm up’ before we drive off.  You see a lot of cars waiting for get out of their parking lots cos the engine button is ‘cold’ .  Those day, manada…. On engine and zoom we go.  lol
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It's good roaring sales to the manufacturer benefit and it will be at our expense no ? That why I say it's stupid. Unless we arm ourselves with knowledge we will be screwed big time. A major service was recently completed and I took home an entire assembly of the filter together with the housing to be inspected because I want to be sure everything is in perfect condition and not face injector problems down the road that are fucking expensive and it can never be resolved !!! The technician suddenly became interested in me and wanted to know my intentions of doing such things. Yup you are right it's too convenient until we literally don't know anything. Boss, your vehilce already passed it's warranty period already, that why got problems la. Best advice is order a new vehicle with us. The safety of your family is the most important thing right ? Me poor church mouse cannot afford to change vehicles after it's warranty has expired. Can only save enough money in 30 years time just in time to buy a newer vehicles. 🙂
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you won't get 15min full charge in Malaysia charging stations. that's for sure. in China maybe since they have 1MW charging stations and cold weather.
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Jgn cakap kuat sgt bro. Later people say u EV hater lol.

I don't think they realize how much power needed to power up 1MW charging station and all the infrastructure needed.

There might be some in future, but definitely the charging cost will not be cheap.


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 10 2025, 07:04 AM)
It's good roaring sales to the manufacturer benefit and it will be at our expense no ? That why I say it's stupid. Unless we arm ourselves with knowledge we will be screwed big time. A major service was recently completed and I took home an entire assembly of the filter together with the housing to be inspected because I want to be sure everything is in perfect condition and not face injector problems down the road that are fucking expensive and it can never be resolved !!! The technician suddenly became interested in me and wanted to know my intentions of doing such things. Yup you are right it's too convenient until we literally don't know anything. Boss, your vehilce already passed it's warranty period already, that why got problems la. Best advice is order a new vehicle with us. The safety of your family is the most important thing right ? Me poor church mouse cannot afford to change vehicles after it's warranty has expired. Can only save enough money in 30 years time just in time to buy a newer vehicles. 🙂
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Hahaha. The price we pay for convenience. That’s part of ‘advancement’.
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QUOTE(dudester @ May 9 2025, 07:47 PM)
can swap means can be stolen.
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Battery thief: Challenge accepted, we can do it in 15 mins.

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QUOTE(fongsk @ May 10 2025, 07:58 AM)
Hahaha.  The price we pay for convenience.  That’s part of ‘advancement’.
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Yup I understand the concerns you have raised about screens etc etc however no worries la, there are car manufacturer like Toyota who is slow to change will still keep buttons etc for their customers because it is about safety. Yes many are complaining about Toyota unwillingness to modernize their line up etc etc but why fix what's ain't broken, just to appease these people. Not like they are Toyota customers pun. Toyota is the biggest car maker in the world for 1 reason and they will definately continue doing it, if they want to remain in pole position.

Getting old is one thing and with eye sight not as sharp as before, I begin to accept that the simpler things are the better. I will never buy a vehicle with a huge ass screen and ask me to scroll here scroll there and still struggle to find something I want, when in another vehicle I can simply and easily reach out my hand due to memory effect and do what I want, while keeping my eyes on the road. Life is best when it's simple. Why nothing to do and want to make life as complicated like the contis ? We all know how that will end.

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ May 9 2025, 10:39 PM)
Usually dalam /k all kutuk2 perodua, but real world perodua figure says otherwise.
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As usual. One bodo everyone must follow. Lol.
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Let me say this up front: I want Perodua to succeed with their first EV. If they get it right — price it right — a Perodua EV could be the EV for all Malaysians. Affordable, cheap to run, and cheap to maintain.

That’s what the Perodua brand means to Malaysians, and naturally, we’re expecting a cheap and good EV. Perodua has said it will have its first EV ready by the end of this year, but based on what they’ve shown — and more worryingly, what they haven’t — I’m not convinced they’ve got the recipe sorted. Not yet.

It’s May. Where’s the Car?

At the Malaysia Autoshow 2025, Perodua unveiled the “final episode” of their EV journey. That sounds dramatic… until you see what they rolled out: a half-cut prototype and a virtual driving simulator. Which is a bit like showing off half a nasi lemak and calling it a buffet.

Perodua says they’re in the final stages of homologation, with pre-production starting in September or October, and mass production targeted at 500 units per month initially, scaling up to over 2,000. On paper, that sounds promising.

But then you look closer — and the doubts start creeping in.

Platform? What Platform?

One of the most revealing answers in the media session came when Perodua CEO Dato’ Sri Zainal Abidin Ahmad confirmed this EV is being developed entirely by Perodua, with no involvement from Daihatsu. They claim the IP for the platform is under Perodua, and that this is a “learning process” for their R&D team.

That’s… brave.

Because if true, it means Perodua is building a bespoke EV platform from scratch — something even legacy giants struggle with. Daihatsu doesn’t even have an EV platform, and EV from brands like Mazda and Nissan are fighting to stay competitive against the Chinese. And yet, there’s no clarity on whether Perodua’s bespoke platform will be skateboard-based, hybrid-adapted, or built off an ICE chassis.

A platform is the foundation of any EV. If you don’t know where your foundation is coming from, you’re not building — you’re guessing.

Battery Leasing: Practical or Painful?

Now, about this Battery-as-a-Service scheme. Perodua says buyers will pay a monthly rental fee — around RM200, give or take — and in return, they’ll never have to worry about battery degradation, failures, or the cost of a replacement. The battery will be covered for up to 8 years, and supplied by CATL.

Sounds great on paper. But let’s be honest: Malaysians don’t exactly love monthly commitments. Just look at telco plans. Most of Perodua’s core customers still prefer prepaid — not because they love topping up, but because they want flexibility and zero long-term contracts. If RM60 postpaid is hard to justify, RM200 for a leased battery is going to be a tough sell.

That’s the real challenge. We don’t want another bill. Paying for something you don’t even own just feels off. I want to own my car. I want to own the battery that comes with the car. And I’m sure I’m not alone in this — we want to sell the whole thing later without needing to explain some convoluted battery contract.

And here’s what few people are talking about: battery tech is evolving fast, and prices are dropping even faster. In 2010, battery packs cost over US$1,000 per kWh. By 2023, that figure dropped to around US$139. By 2026, it’s expected to fall below US$100. That means the price of replacing a battery in five years could be dramatically lower than it is today.


So why lock yourself into a leasing plan for 8 to 10 years — tied to battery tech that may be obsolete by year three? It’s like buying a smartphone and signing a ten-year contract. The numbers don’t favour the customer — they favour the company that owns the battery.

And while leasing may appeal to some as “peace of mind,” it risks becoming an unnecessary complexity — especially when EV adoption in Malaysia is already rising without it. Proton’s e.MAS 7 and other value EVs are being snapped up under conventional ownership. So who exactly is this battery leasing for?

Contrary to popular perception, EV batteries are repairable. Many battery packs consist of modular sections, and often only one or two modules fail — not the whole pack. Yet most people assume a minor fault means total replacement. If Perodua retains battery ownership through leasing, they control the diagnosis, cost, and decision-making. That’s not peace of mind — that’s lack of choice.


Perodua insists it’s about ecosystem control, resale value protection, and long-term sustainability. Maybe. But to the average buyer, it might just feel like paying more for less control.

And here’s something important to understand: resale value is mostly driven by the market, not the manufacturer. It’s shaped by reliability, depreciation trends, and demand. Some manufacturers may track resale performance, but it’s rarely a core KPI in vehicle design.

Most carmakers focus on making the sale — not protecting resale value five years later. Resale value is something that happens, not something that’s engineered. When a manufacturer says battery leasing supports resale, what they’re really doing is controlling the resale — not improving it.

Swapping the Battery in 30 Minutes? Really?

According to Perodua CEO Dato’ Sri Zainal Abidin Ahmad, the battery can be changed at a service centre in “30 minutes.” That’s his claim, made during the Malaysia Autoshow 2025 media briefing.

But we’ve seen the prototype. It features a cell-to-body (CTB) battery design — the kind integrated into the chassis for structural strength. That’s not a plug-and-play pack. That’s a core component. Swapping it out isn’t a pit stop — it’s major surgery.

So which is it? Is this “final prototype” actually what’s going into production? Or is it a dressed-up concept?

Because if the production model doesn’t use CTB, then this prototype is just a show car — not a development milestone.

EV Ecosystem or PR Soundbite?

Perodua keeps emphasising their commitment to localising EV components. They claim 42 local vendors are already involved, with another 20 coming online in the next six months to build motors, inverters, and ADAS systems. That’s encouraging.

But when pressed for specifics, things get fuzzy — “traditional parts” now, EV-specific bits later, and localisation ramping up “in stages.” They haven’t locked down clear delivery KPIs under the New Industrial Master Plan 2030 (NIMP 2030), which sets out Malaysia’s ambition to become a regional EV hub through local manufacturing, automation, green growth, and resilient supply chains.

If Perodua is serious about proving itself as an EV leader, its localisation plan should clearly align with national policy — not just vague promises. Trust isn’t built with slideshows. It’s built with execution.

Is This Strategy… Strategic?

Here’s what baffles me the most: if this EV is launching in six months, the story should already be tight. You should be building anticipation. Educating dealers. Giving Malaysians the confidence that this is the real thing.

Instead, we’ve had thorium energy side projects, speculative “guaranteed buyback” plans, and a whole lot of “we’re still studying this.”

And then there’s the comparison no one wants to make — but we have to. Proton plans to launch the e.MAS 5 around the same time as Perodua’s EV. But the difference in readiness is stark. Proton’s donor car, the Geely Geome Xingyuan, is already a production EV in China. It was China’s best-selling BEV in January 2025, even outselling the BYD Dolphin. By the end of February, Geely had already rolled out the 100,000th unit. It has real specs, a real platform, and real-world mileage.

Perodua, on the other hand, has shown us half a car, a leasing scheme with more questions than answers, and a whole lot of vague timelines.

From a product strategy perspective, this isn’t a launch campaign — it’s a hope-for-the-best campaign.


To be fair, Perodua is taking a different route. They claim to be building a bespoke EV platform, developed entirely in-house, with the IP under Perodua — and no technical support from Daihatsu or Toyota. That’s bold. In an industry where most brands are standing on the shoulders of proven EV architecture, Perodua is trying to build its own Myvi… but electric.

And that’s a big shift. Let’s not forget — the original Myvi wasn’t homegrown. It was based on the Toyota Passo. A rebadge. A smart one. It worked because it was grounded in proven tech and localised for Malaysian needs.

This EV is the opposite. No Daihatsu. No Toyota. No safety net. It’s all Perodua. And while that’s gutsy, it also means the risk is entirely theirs.

Perodua didn’t take any chances with the Myvi — and it became Malaysia’s favourite car. But now they’re taking every chance with their first EV?

The Way I See It… Hope Isn’t a Roadmap

Perodua says they’ll launch their first EV by the end of 2025. And they might.

But just because a car is launched doesn’t mean it’s ready. From what we’ve seen, major details are still in flux — pricing, battery contracts, servicing plans, even production volume.

That’s not to say they won’t pull it off. But right now, this doesn’t look like a company confidently entering the EV space. It looks like a company still figuring out the rules of the game.

And I hope I’m wrong.

Because if Perodua nails this — if they build a sub-RM80k EV that’s practical, serviceable, and doesn’t age like milk — they might just kick off the next great chapter of Malaysian motoring.

But they’ll need more than half a car and half a plan to do it.

https://soyacincau.com/2025/05/11/perodua-e...-hope-im-wrong/


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Battery Leasing: Practical or Painful?

Now, about this Battery-as-a-Service scheme. Perodua says buyers will pay a monthly rental fee — around RM200, give or take — and in return, they’ll never have to worry about battery degradation, failures, or the cost of a replacement. The battery will be covered for up to 8 years, and supplied by CATL.

Sounds great on paper. But let’s be honest: Malaysians don’t exactly love monthly commitments. Just look at telco plans. Most of Perodua’s core customers still prefer prepaid — not because they love topping up, but because they want flexibility and zero long-term contracts. If RM60 postpaid is hard to justify, RM200 for a leased battery is going to be a tough sell.

That’s the real challenge. We don’t want another bill. Paying for something you don’t even own just feels off. I want to own my car. I want to own the battery that comes with the car. And I’m sure I’m not alone in this — we want to sell the whole thing later without needing to explain some convoluted battery contract.

And here’s what few people are talking about: battery tech is evolving fast, and prices are dropping even faster. In 2010, battery packs cost over US$1,000 per kWh. By 2023, that figure dropped to around US$139. By 2026, it’s expected to fall below US$100. That means the price of replacing a battery in five years could be dramatically lower than it is today.

So why lock yourself into a leasing plan for 8 to 10 years — tied to battery tech that may be obsolete by year three? It’s like buying a smartphone and signing a ten-year contract. The numbers don’t favour the customer — they favour the company that owns the battery.


If lease also only cover up to 8 years then what's the point compared to other EVs with similar period of warranty?


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QUOTE(DogeGamingPRO @ May 13 2025, 10:47 AM)
EvCincau:
https://soyacincau.com/2025/05/11/perodua-e...-hope-im-wrong/
If lease also only cover up to 8 years then what's the point compared to other EVs with similar period of warranty?
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The point is sbb boleh

I welcome battery swap even take 1 hour it’s very good idea

What is not clear is how much is the rental and cost of battery ? If 10k every 8 year then worth it coz engine maintenance or oil change also will cost this much or more if you include gearbox oil etc for conti

But if 40k then got to think about the pro and cons more
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ May 13 2025, 10:52 AM)
The point is sbb boleh

I welcome battery swap even take 1 hour it’s very good idea

What is not clear is how much is the rental and cost of battery ? If 10k every 8 year then worth it coz engine maintenance or oil change also will cost this much or more if you include gearbox oil etc for conti

But if 40k then got to think about the pro and cons more
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but the battery swap also not u can sesuka hati swap like Nio
probably only if got issue and fulfill the conditions to require a swap then they will only swap

that's not a major factor that would affect much at the end of the day

 

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