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netmatrix
post May 8 2025, 09:46 PM

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Hallo???!!!!!!! What in the blue hell are you promoting battery swapping in 30 minutes for? NIO is pioneer in this!!! Your 30 minutes means nothing if you are selling this concept without swap stations. Like NIO has it in CN for 5 MINUTES!!!

Fast charging is already breaching 15 minutes today and you are selling 30 minute battery swaps?? What kind of stupid is this?
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post May 8 2025, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ May 8 2025, 09:50 PM)
...why u comparing battery charging with battery swapping?
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Because it is a race game on who has the final answer in replenishing energy. Until the time comes when there would be a power source good enough to last a few years without needing to charge. All these charging and swapping are only temporary technologies. You might as well go with fast charging today since it is still working in the same principal of filling up.

The only reason why they market battery swapping is because you have to buy the battery separately. And that is even on lease and not ownership! It is for their cause (to sell cars) not for you the consumer (ease of ownership), why do you support this? doh.gif
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post May 8 2025, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(xtrabite @ May 8 2025, 11:02 PM)
If Battery rosak, 30 minutes siap tukar..
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Does that sell you confidence? Be truthful. When i owned a Xiaomi phone 1S, it has swappable batteries. So happy i could change it my self for RM30 a pop. But the phone has only 3 years of life until software support ended.

So what would you think about this scenario applied to a company that has no experience making EV, marketing the swappable gimmick as a god send innovation? When we all know Podua cars are famous for being cheap & disposable with high value retention? This won't happen with this car.

The market for people wiling to use an EV already stabilized with the expectation. These guys again and again uses marketing to brainwash people with unrealistic promises.
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post May 8 2025, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ May 8 2025, 11:05 PM)
........but u can still charge the car normally without swapping??????
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Yes every EV can have their batteries swapped. But not without tearing the car apart. But they do not expect the battery to fail in any circumstance except physical damage. What good would a fast swappable battery be if its not to solve a problem? A problem that never existed? why would you want to swap a battery say 5-7 years down the road unless you want to do it for resale? Even then you are doing it at a loss. Makes no sense right?

If the swap feature is for mileage extension use. Here is it used only for maintenance. If your EV have to go in yearly to have its battery swapped out only to maintain charge quality, (even for free) you would not want that either right? You would question if the batteries are inferior.
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post May 8 2025, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ May 8 2025, 11:30 PM)
my perspective is

EV battery price are reducing so if buy outright you already lost. ie you fixed yourself to the same battery.

one may have the opportunity to switch to new gen battery when leasing for the same size with longer range in future.

and EV battery is degrading overtime, not owning it is good thing. the 2nd hand owner can lease new battery when one bought the car.
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Thats crazy that they would want to buy you a new gen battery lest say a 700km capable one for the current 500km one. And then you would have to top up. Perpetually financing the car that you would probably want to get rid off, lets say 5-7 years? Where is the balance of car age due to wear and tear? You could argue the motor could last 1 million km. But what about the interior and electronics?

And if you were offered to top up RM10K extra after 5 years of owner ship with a brand spanking new 700km battery, would you pay for it? How much could you offload the car for? And if the new owner can only afford to pay 50% of the original selling price as used car, would he be allowed to buy the new gen battery?

Companies are in the business of selling, not maintaining. Which is why a lot of cars face parts shortages. When they can delay you 1-6 months to get your car fixed, those are the months they do not need to worry about the warranty of your car. Because you can't use it and there is nothing you can do about it. They are happy they only need to wait x months to fix your car because they are killing your time, not theirs.

 

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