Doctors' fee are regulated and at a max of RM35, let's say an average clinic with average 30 patients a day that opens for 6 days week

RM35 x 30 x24 days = RM25,200 per month gross income if all his patients bought the meds elsewhere

Rental / month = RM6,000
Electricity/water = RM1,500
2 nurses/helper = RM8,000
Equipment etc = RM500 depreciation
others e.g. database management/stationery etc = RM500
Total est. fixed expenses = RM16,500

So, est income = RM8,700

If incl meds maybe avg RM35 per pax with profit of 100% @ 17.50, meds gross income will be RM12,600/m

Total income = 21,300

Still less then many /k here, if take away meds, yes, GP doctors is just M40 or top end of B40


Reposting what on /k member say.

To the idiots who say doctor profiteering I tell you what you punde's send your children to med school then ask them go work GP clinic and be transparent with pricing.

You punde fellas pay 1M education fee for your stupid kid do medic then see u talk big or not.

Most doctors are not JPA scholars who education paid for by gomen own FAMA pocket. Even stupid apek with business admin degree can earn 10k a month by 28 or stupid crony child work with glc with shit degree also can make more then doctor.

so problem is med school pricing

I thought GP now minimum RM60 for consultation at private clinic.

Sendiri choose medical school.....

No gomen make consultation fee RM35.00 max per patient per GP. Even abam Grab can earn more. Madanon busy with afterlife that he can't see right and wrong.

Rm35.00 suppose to increase but Madanon no mention this.

could we accept that the real problem were that we had so many GP clinics out there?

in my house area, within 1km radius, i think we had like 10 clinics.im not living in high density area. doctors should not thinking about having their own clinic, just makan gaji work under other people la.

This post has been edited by zerorating: May 7 2025, 04:27 PM

Medical school one but time.

Imagine you have to be straight A student brain material to do med . Then you need 1M and 7 years you invest time and money for RM 35.00 per consultation ke? If JPA scholars then keep quiet la but most FAMA and PTPTN better like that no doctors pay afterlife teachers to prepare for afterlife no need doc to save ppl because even sohai Char Kuey Teow seller or Mamak can make more money without much brain or sacrifice.

u no see how they exploit the inso claim only on insured mia patient

jadi la influencer sambil menari2 depan kamera

Bodo every business got untung rugi. U dont want that then go work with kkm la

If amoi with airport and white skin can or jilbob mebbe but most good people with morals will try and earn a decent living.

Dei punde kkm sendiri pun kasi contract saje these days why u think nowaday more private GP? Better people tell their kids don't be stupid become doctor. Gomen prefer spend money for afterlife and subsidy for b40 then healthcare.

Only specifically Amoi? Awek on X and insta a lot la…

None of what you have listed is even remotely proper.
This argument make sense if we don't have hospital private and government.
Have you ever walk to the nearest GP and request for a simple suture removal?
I will rather wait for 5 hour on klinik kesihatan over going to any GP with sloppy skillset.

learn to be B40 �

Pretty sure there are more cost incurred such as material costs, disposable materials and those. Most GP clinic got xray machine, so depreciation cost will be higher at around RM2000.

Doctor really B40 liao

dont you see our budget percentage allocated for medical is so high? either we need to reduce subsidy or extracting more taxes from the rakyat.

i suggest KKM start charging rm5 instead of rm1, that way, each KK could have 1 or 2 doctors more.

Protek loctor anda jangan tak protek.


Hope you guise get a ruling must hire pharmacist in klinik distribute ubat and must display pricing honestly or else tutupe sahaja lah.


Nurse less job now stand beside doktor. Pharmacist hired only person allowed to distribute drugs, doctors only consult max no touchy ubat.



Then quit your doctor job become lah influencer or flip burger quit bekambing a doctor forever.

this. plus gp nowadays happy to overprescribe without identifying root causes

Dude Klinik Kesihatan doctors are overworked . I rate our KKM doctors as the best compared to most GP but that said we need GP to alleviate the burden on gomen healthcare. Lot of b40 high blood pressure, diabetes ,cholesterol, mandul,hiv etc so for small things better have GP standby . Not everyone has luxury wait 5 hours at KK dude unless you willing to take day off.

Unfortunately most of the arsehole will complain about waiting time as if they received private healthcare before when working when retire they become absolute pundek.

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 04:37 PM

wasnt that procedure usually handled by nurse or pembantu perubatan?
this group are likely to stay in gomen because SME wont pay them much as compared to gomen salary.

Most of these docs only study until mbbs la, dont want to go further

Jangan la delete post bang

Yes because of consequence if gagal. Like if get accepted for masters program to specialise if pull out they are financially fucked big time. So there is time and money risk to specialise also not mention bond.

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 04:40 PM

whats wrong with being upfront and transparent about the price u gonna charge ?

Nothing wrong but Madanon suppose to increase the consultation fee chargeable first before asking about this transparency BS.

should have chosen to be traditional med fertility doctor

more money

Again why preach to here? in the consensus of majority here going to go with their personal experience.
My personal experience is telling you right now that GP can go fly kite and abide the ruling for showing price.
Want the consumer to pay more? show exactly to the consumer that you can provide.
it's business 101.

Don't tell me next you going to tell me that healthcare is not a business.

nothing wrong then why they protest about transparency / price control act?

Lol takde sapa paksa kau jadi doktor. Nak jadi doktor ikut la undang2 ka peraturan kerajaan.

Tak suka kaku boleh kerja sapu sampah

Are you backing doctor because even when make more profit on medication doctor still make less money then business apek with or without SPM?

This is not about who make more money. It is about being transparent. Well I'm sure many businesses out there not really honest in declaring income

the but but but all ketepikan dulu boleh?

since the matter now is about transparency
that chargeable fee naik turun we all biasa with it being within that approximate range

Yup correct.

Private healthcare is a business unless anyone who is stupid to say otherwise. That said you bang ayam vietmoi who just spread leg give u HIV pay 300 one shot but doctor who can help alleviate your suffering who invested a lot of their money and time to become doctor only worth RM 35? Sure then ask your future gen become doctor .

Madanon suppose to revise consultation fee first but they target the medication portion instead . If Madanon and B40 stupid how expect people to work for peanuts?

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 04:50 PM

If you be doctor for the money then you Salah liao. Should have been a finance person then.

If you focus in becoming highly specialized you no need to worry about money at all. In fact the doctors at my area too many patients till they don't want to work.

The arrangement Madanon had vs what he did is the root of the problem

nope. i blame KKM for rm1 fee. just up the fee to minimum rm5 or max rm10 could easily rectify some immediate problem. pay better, hire more doctor for rotation so they dont burn out, build more hospital / upgrade more.

Depends those doc who work in kkm some initially want to do good after awhile lot of entitled b40 mak datin and punde punde come feeling entitled so they feel like instead of dealing with stupid shitheads better make money and specialise and charge like fak.

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 04:53 PM

Root of the problem is the high medical costs when people go to see GPs. The reason GPs existed is because of people lazy to wait long hours / queues at government clinics / hospitals and therefore willing to spend some money to go private GP. Its more convenient also.

So to solve this problem, there are 2 options:-
1. Force private GPs to reduce their charges. So people wont have to pay so much. (Gov no need to spend money)
2. Increase more government clinics / hospitals so the waiting time can be reduced. (Gov have to spend more money)

In the end, Goverment went for option 1.

Agree but madanon rather spend money on moral policing.

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 8 2025, 08:42 AM

Private GP charges are not the issue but I think it's time for KKM to increase the fee to at least RM5 or RM10 and give some people exception if needed but every other punde charge higher.

Stupid Madanon everyday waste time with Falastin and Turkiye but our own pipul he fak nicely I mean as in what he doesn't consider his own people.

B40 mostly fat faks , diabetes, cholesterol high BP hiv potong kaki in droves. How you expect kkm to tahan patient load when these fellas bazaar and makan 24/7

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 04:59 PM

Why TS so invested in this? TS are you a doktor?

Then keep deleting post like Simon behtahan


Lol

No ayam engineer last time but I know doctor pain because stupid Indian parents waste money on kids ask them to do engineering and medicine .

Indian parents should teach how to be business savvy instead of wasting their money and children's life doing shit like this.

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 05:04 PM

> send kid go med school expecting them to make big numbers

You see ah motherfucker, this is the problem.

True but to enter private medical uni u must be smart.

So u need money, brain and time. Gomen only say give 1 scholarship per 99 doctors . Those 99 pay own pocket. If all say fak this shit I do some UTAR degree can earn more though to be fair UTAR is good but business degree is easy shit compared to engineering but I digress .point being do some cock business degree and spend 30-50k finish 3 or 4 year can bang chick's party drink mabuk dota while doctor must study like fak worry about money u think a sensible human want to choose that path of misery and sacrifice for nothing?

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 05:11 PM

Even 10rm is too cheap. I think it should be the real cost of whatever medicine dispensed.
Say if at cost to the gov, the medicine is 50rm. Then charge 50rm.
Consultation make it free is fine.

Doctors can gargle my balls lmao. Don't scam people

dont blame on madani saja. the past ten twenty years by who? now kena the aftermaths baru kpkb shift all to madani.
see lah later up price later same tune come out say kerajaan zalim rakyat merana cause cant afford rm5/rm10 to see doctor.

Bro u make your children become doctor send them minimum Manipal or IMU yea then I come.

1 papan antibiotic is 2-3rm , they charge min also 20-30rm .
Eye drop min also 5X .

HIV drugs damn expensive . How you think gomen tackling HIV problem? Diabetic medication insulin also not cheap. If kkm don't give free b40 tomorrow will throw Madanon in dustbin.

Simple see population highest hiv and diabetes fair bit of money spent on these meds alone. Think maybe for somethings which involve HIV med or Insulin KKM must charge higher. No one ask the patient to become fat fak or Gay.

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 05:16 PM

> We should be allowed to rip the poor patients off because we spent too much on education of our choosing

Why the protest is not on the low income of doctors but rather on the price display?

And the same doctors are the ones that will go restaurant ask why no price display for food.

Let me repost from other tered.

Consultation fees are regulated from another act, Private Healthcare Facilities and Services Act (PHFSA) 1998.
Latest legal implementation is for transparency of drug pricing under Price Control and Anti-Profiteering (Act 723), also AFAIK NOT COVERING PRICE CONTROL OF MEDS.

So enlighten us, the protest is on price transparency or consultation fees? You can make money still off your drugs because it is not price control enforcement, only DISPLAY.

https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2025/05/do...-price-display/



Somebody's leading doctors by the nose to the protest if you think we're attacking consultation fees.

Rip poor patients? Those fuckers can go kkm easily what big time rip off u talking about? Yea doctors ask because gomen don't give scholarship if you not right criteria second most doctors earn less than corporate business admin crap.

You tak puas ask business admin crap treat and prescribe you med when sick.

Your first paragraph shows you never seen their patient load before.

I suggest go have coffee next to a clinic that's well known in ur neighborhood for an hour. See the number of patients going in and out.

Also electricity 1.5k? Lol mine alone is 300 per month.
Nurses 4k? Laugh die me

Confirm taking all this out of ur butt

THIS, and dental clinic as well. in taipan usj alone I think got more than 15 dental clinics wei

how lah they gonna survive?

so u go private dentist or government?

Dont worry, very soon GP will be out of jobs because chatgpt can do exactly what normal GP's can do. We just present our symptoms and chatgpt will give diagnosis and a list of ubat that we can go get directly from pharmacies.

Don't blame individual doctors or dentist. Blame those franchise ones. Pharmacy, dental, doctor, physio, chiro all kena. Fucking unregulated already

Yes display but again because of the low consultation fee if they were to display kpdnkk will fak them for overcharging. How you expect to recoup ?

Simple you to Chinaman workshop to repair car. If you just give part repair the fella charge labour fee but if u ask him to buy part and repair Chinaman charge you 50pc to double. Say timing belt RM300 chinaman charge RM500. So that's a 66 pc increase because he don't want to show his labour expensive right? Like that got workshop put their spare part price on display ke? Pakai la otak sikit.

Later sure TS delete your post

Yes those franchise bastards damn sohai.

most clinic i observe only morning many ppl. average really 20-30 per day only.

How ur clinic rm300 per month?!?! lol . no aircon?

Nurses 8k cos one of them is wife ma. Salary 7k for her. the remaining 2k split between cleaner and receptionist.

Yes chatgpt can shove up your anus to fissures.

government for dentist visit,
private for scaling.

it is a well known myth that all charges go to KKM account. last time sekolah u sleep kah bro? all money goes to Federal Treasury, same thing also like u pay your roadtax all straight goes to Treasury, not JPJ

u increase rm100 per visit also no use if during Budget , our dear PM didnt channel proper budget to KKM

One cassette, two 1hp running Monday to Saturday. Oh BTW this is sesco pricing. Donno u guys punya tnb pricing.

My dad's gp patient load Gila one. Morning till night full. Husband and wife. Got so much income he opened up 1st floor. Got ecg machine. Not enough he go buy xray machine. Still not enough. He open up a physio center. All in two shop lots. Ground floor and 1st floor.

Car they both drive Mercedes.

There are successful GP but if some buttfak area where rent and wage high but load low how la dei?

sulk it . close shop . go do grab

https://www.moh.gov.my/index.php/pages/view/171

There's a clinic near me. That one prime example of low load & high rental. She didn't do well because IMHO malas & poor bed side manner.

At the end, she turn her gp clinic to one that offers esthetic services.

ppl want transparency, ts argue about how many years it would take for a doctor to afford his first ferrari pulak.

just disclose, untung banyak then untung banyak lah, takut apa?willing seller willing buyer. KKM seringgit ayam still pigi specialist hospital.

untung banyak why takut ppl know? lari lhdn? mogok lagi, now whole world know GP here overcharge.. kek

Aesthetic way more money making then actual doctors.


Aesthetic just put some botox,laser kasi tetek besar make more money then GP.

kalau tak how to afford mercili park in front of klinik line merah sewa bulanan parking majlis bandaraya?

Again you not understanding the context. They don't want because of the ridiculously low consultation fee by KKM. The agreement for this crap to take place is gomen first revise the consultation fee. Gomen didn't do that but screw them over this way. Yes they inflate to cover cost which consultation fee don't cover.

This post has been edited by lordgamer3: May 7 2025, 05:35 PM

Why i dont see any charges for 'medical procedures' in the list?

Read back what you posted and tell us straight you ada pakai your otak & don't see anything wrong with that.

"Kalau I declare income people will know I'm not paying enough taxes."
"Kalau I declare harta people will know I'm living beyond my means way outside of my main salary."
"Kalau I describe ingredients people will know I put banned chemicals / carcinogens / non-halal stuff in my food (that's declared safe for consumption)."
"Kalau I bagi claim details to employer he will know I falsified all of it."
"Kalau I ukur tanah later people will know I encroached on other people's land."
"Kalau I need to provide cert people will know I lied on my resume."

Sounds guilty as fuck and like an outright admission, and that's what the rest of us are hearing when you're protesting the price display.

Don't tumpang2 protest other things when you're protesting one particular item.
Tak happy consultation rate protest consultation rate control.
Tak happy what is considered profiteering go protest the definition of profiteering (lmao).

your dad GP konker which area first?

In city really too many clinic opening. Setia Alam alone dunno how many dozen clinic opened. Only some of them high patient load.

chatgpt cheaper

You tak puas go study business admin lo. No one forced anyone to study medicine. Or to be GP. Why not go specialise and earn specialist money then?

Doctors only get to be doctors because they got teachers that teach them right? So it is not fair teachers is earning less than doctors. So on so forth.

Dude again try and understand my chinaman mechanic scenario.

Problem here is consultation fee unable to cover costs so they spill the cost to medication. Gomen first tell them we revise consultation fee baru this transparency thing they agree then gomen just go and say display but not honour their part then u see how.

if become panel then ok lah

otherwise sure krik krik one

Ok tomorrow u dying don't see doctor go see your business admin friend or whoever sohai u want.

This is the root cause. U see IT people degree only cost 40 to 50k and most I met earn 10k by 30 and 20k by 40

So root cause is parents yg Sohai brainwash kid to study hard macam nerd and spend 4 to 5 hours a day after school to study so they can make medicine school rich and subsequently anak walking to prime minister to beg them

actually I am ok if doctor fee is increase. But don’t simply quote the price of medicine suka bapak

If consultantation quality is good and can solve fever etc by medical course finish then I ok, ini tidak macam
Panted after 5 day of anti still stick and when go hospital they laugh at the doctor giving me this medicine that does jack shit

So they increase price of med and give shit med this is worst !

Then doctors should not be limited based on their masters degree

U see in other jobs, just a basic degree is enough and u can work your way up sky is the limit

For doctor no such thing

Why got such difference for doctors?

Why? Doctors so happily take my money.

You so butthurt then quit being a doctor and go study business admin. Cry here like the world owes you shit.

Should doctors be paid more? Yes. But why you krik krik for nurses pay pulak?

Wanna mogok about fee capping, then mogok about fee capping lo. I fully support that.

But mogok about hidden pricing then ask for support? Whats the difference between this and restaurants charging whatever they want without menu pricing? You support that also?

I kind of get what you saying ts but end of the day this isn't a price control act protest only displaying of prices

Good gps you don't mind paying the consult and get first round of meds from him. And revisit him if you think over the counter pharmacy meds not helping. Regardless if price is on display

And our resident doc already bersuara.