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post Apr 23 2025, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:27 PM)
A lion decided not to eat a mouse.

Passerby laugh at lion and say lion is coward, toothless and weak. Can't even eat a mouse.

No thank you. You guys go ahead.
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The lion is already old and weak suffering from years of battling the mouse

People still respect the lion but people also know the tiger and cheetah are formidable fighter too

So, if the lion fight the tiger and cheetah, it does not mean the lion will automatically win

Unfortunately, some people just won't accept that the lion is no longer the lion of the past whistling.gif


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post Apr 23 2025, 03:35 PM

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3 words can describe their military programs: underfunded, overpromised, underdelivered
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post Apr 23 2025, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(ihm11 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:35 PM)
3 words can describe their military programs: underfunded, overpromised, underdelivered
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There's probably tons of corruption too but DOGE won't dare to touch them

If DOGE is really serious about what they do, the first area they should targe is their military contractors
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post Apr 23 2025, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Apr 23 2025, 10:08 AM)
They don't really need it.

Existing stocks of missiles and bombs enough to bomb China three times over.
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in case you missed the news, go google HQ19 and metal storm.
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post Apr 23 2025, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 02:59 PM)
Here comes another US military is superb because they tested on Talibans and Insurgents theory.

Like I say before, this type of so-called experience means nothing when you fight an opponent who can punch back. Americans only get attacked when they go out from their bases but most of the time they get to go back into their bases and enjoy peaceful environment. Total war will be different. Their bases will be constantly being attacked too. Guerilla warfare doesn't always win. Our country is the best example when we fought the commie insurgency.

In fact, US military is equally as inexperienced as China's military on total war.

Also, AMDKs are so damn proud Americans have "experience in war" without realising they are so happy Americans are killing people!
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Idiot the world is larger than AMDK and Wumao. You keep sucking PLA dick without seeing it in action. Looks like you forgot CCP is behind Chin Peng. The only country Mao Chibai able to lay his hand on is North Korea. Meanwhile USSR able to take over few latin America countries. Vietnam defeat PLA? So what's up with a force to punch back? No matter how you want, PLA is not tested in modern warfare and the past strategy of CCP is just canon fodder. There's nothing genius about it. Right now all it has piled up arms and nuclear deterrence.

IIRC PLA ran away from peacekeeping mission in Africa.
http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/2016/1...eepers.html?m=1
Again a force to punch back.....eh?
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QUOTE(6so @ Apr 23 2025, 05:18 PM)
Idiot the world is larger than AMDK and Wumao. You keep sucking PLA dick without seeing it in action. Looks like you forgot CCP is behind Chin Peng. The only country Mao Chibai able to lay his hand on is North Korea. Meanwhile USSR able to take over few latin America countries. Vietnam defeat PLA? So what's up with a force to punch back? No matter how you want, PLA is not tested in modern warfare and the past strategy of CCP is just canon fodder. There's nothing genius about it. Right now all it has piled up arms and nuclear deterrence.

IIRC PLA ran away from peacekeeping mission in Africa.
http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/2016/1...eepers.html?m=1
Again a force to punch back.....eh?
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Nobody is touting PLA lah. My point is US military is not as good as what a lot of people believe. This failure in hypersonic is the best example. Their military equipment today is getting too expensive and not feasible anymore. People like you keep going on and on about US experience but like I repeatedly point out, they have only fought under equipped people only. People who can't really punch back like China or Russia. It just means that if there is a war between China and US, both are similarly inexperience and untested as both has not fought real conventional war since Vietnam and Korean war. Understand?



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post Apr 23 2025, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(anavrin @ Apr 23 2025, 03:43 PM)
in case you missed the news, go google HQ19 and metal storm.
Simple fact. Which PLA navy vessel is equipped with either?

if zero, isn't that arguing imaginary weapons against 100000 JDAM bombs in stock an exercise in futility?
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post Apr 23 2025, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:26 PM)
Nobody is touting PLA lah. My point is US military is not as good as what a lot of people believe. This failure in hypersonic is the best example. Their military equipment today is getting too expensive and not feasible anymore. People like you keep going on and on about US experience but like I repeatedly point out, they have only fought under equipped people only. People who can't really punch back like China or Russia. It just means that if there is a war between China and US, both are similarly inexperience and untested as both has not fought real conventional war since Vietnam and Korean war. Understand?
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but they not failure in all hypersonics? if you recall in early 2010s there were a lot of failure in their long range ABM tests as well. so much so as some saying US will never perfect ABM etc.

https://armyrecognition.com/focus-analysis-...hina-and-russia

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The Army confirmed that the first full battery of Dark Eagle missiles will be operational in 2025, following the successful completion of an end-to-end flight test in December 2024 at Cape Canaveral. This test demonstrated the system’s technical readiness and cleared the path for field deployment.


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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 23 2025, 05:40 PM)
but they not failure in all hypersonics? if you recall in early 2010s there were a lot of failure in their long range ABM tests as well. so much so as some saying US will never perfect ABM etc.

https://armyrecognition.com/focus-analysis-...hina-and-russia
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They abandon their hypersonic program without producing anything lah

If that is not failure, I don't know what failure is anymore.

You know what is hypersonic missiles or not?

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post Apr 23 2025, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:41 PM)
They abandon their hypersonic program without producing anything lah

If that is not failure, I don't know what failure is anymore.

You know what is hypersonic missiles or not?
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boost glide is not one of them?

https://armyrecognition.com/military-produc...ersonic-missile

as mentioned by takbodoh they got dozens of program. your first statement make it seem as if they only have ONE, or that they abandon ALL of them. misleading

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Kecian for Muricant, technology kena curi & need to restart again & can't compete now..... cry.gif
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 23 2025, 05:44 PM)
boost glide is not one of them?

https://armyrecognition.com/military-produc...ersonic-missile

as mentioned by takbodoh they got dozens of program. your first statement make it seem as if they only have ONE, or that they abandon ALL of them. misleading
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U.S. Scraps Purchase of Hypersonic Boost-Glide Vehicle
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2023-05/new...t-glide-vehicle
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post Apr 23 2025, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:48 PM)
U.S. Scraps Purchase of Hypersonic Boost-Glide Vehicle
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2023-05/new...t-glide-vehicle
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again misleading. this is just one such program. the army is operational and ready to be deployed.

if you noticed the ones cancelled are all the air launched variants (airforce and navy)

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 23 2025, 05:49 PM)
again misleading. this is just one such program. the army is on operational and ready to be deployed.
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They abandon and terminate so many programs and that is not failed?

US defenders really plotek kao kao when it comes to their military.

US military must be no. 1 and best because everyone is Maverick, right?


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post Apr 23 2025, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:52 PM)
They abandon and terminate so many programs and that is not failed?

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how many tests did spacex take before they manage to land their rocket? dont you think you are stretching the definition of "failure" a bit much? if they have one effective hypersonic weapon and 99 failed/abandoned, who cares if its "failure"? I would say its "wasteful" rather than operationally failed.

When wumao like you say failure, we all know what you mean, that the US cannot and are unable to make a hypersonic weapon. it is thus easy to prove such statement wrong if they can even produce just ONE weapon .

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 23 2025, 05:57 PM)
how many tests did spacex take before they manage to land their rocket?  dont you think you are stretching the definition of "failure" a bit much?  if they have one effective hypersonic weapon and 99 failed/abandoned, who cares if its "failure"?  I would say its "wasteful" rather than operationally failed.

When wumao like you say failure, we all know what you mean, that the US cannot and are unable to make a hypersonic weapon. it is thus easy to prove such statement wrong if they can even produce just ONE weapon .
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Plotek Plotek Plotek

Fail means fail lah
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post Apr 23 2025, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:58 PM)
Plotek Plotek Plotek

Fail means fail lah
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disappointing that someone like you who posts so many scientific articles can resort to such unscientific hyperbole.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 23 2025, 06:01 PM)
disappointing that someone like you who posts so many scientific articles can resort to such unscientific hyperbole.
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Because no matter what I say, people like you won't accept US failed.

In your eyes, US is Maverick. Old 4th gen plane also can shoot down 6th gen plane. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 05:04 PM)
Because no matter what I say, people like you won't accept US failed.

In your eyes, US is Maverick. Old 4th gen plane also can shoot down 6th gen plane.  whistling.gif
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funny, if US army use their hypersonic missile, first time in history a country used failed weapon. what is your definition of fail and success then?

even worse, make misleading statements then backtrack with childish remarks

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They abandon their hypersonic program without producing anything lah


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