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diffyhelman2
post Apr 23 2025, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Apr 23 2025, 02:15 PM)
Its more akin to humans vs rats / cockroaches

Humans got all the anti  rats pest technology spray bait poison but still cant get rid of the cockroaches / rat infestation
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Got. Chemical weapons but environmentalists complain
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post Apr 23 2025, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Apr 23 2025, 02:43 PM)
60+ fighter squadrons and a whole load of bomber squadrons.
11 aircraft carriers.

That's not a capability tasked for anti-terrorism.

Some people can pretend US is a paper tiger. I don't agree that's the reality.
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Expensive white elephants if they can’t get them into the fight because of aa/ad. Somehow usa hasn’t publicly come up with a solution to aa/ad.
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post Apr 23 2025, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Apr 23 2025, 03:08 PM)
Houthi missle crisis at Red Sea already show US warship wolfpack are aging. So many Destroyer and Aegis Crusier protection group also can't protect the Carrier. Missle near missed the Eisenhower Carrier also making US retired Eisenhower in 2026
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Can’t protect? Any carrier sunk? Owai you believed that video taken from video game was real
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post Apr 23 2025, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:26 PM)
Nobody is touting PLA lah. My point is US military is not as good as what a lot of people believe. This failure in hypersonic is the best example. Their military equipment today is getting too expensive and not feasible anymore. People like you keep going on and on about US experience but like I repeatedly point out, they have only fought under equipped people only. People who can't really punch back like China or Russia. It just means that if there is a war between China and US, both are similarly inexperience and untested as both has not fought real conventional war since Vietnam and Korean war. Understand?
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but they not failure in all hypersonics? if you recall in early 2010s there were a lot of failure in their long range ABM tests as well. so much so as some saying US will never perfect ABM etc.

https://armyrecognition.com/focus-analysis-...hina-and-russia

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The Army confirmed that the first full battery of Dark Eagle missiles will be operational in 2025, following the successful completion of an end-to-end flight test in December 2024 at Cape Canaveral. This test demonstrated the system’s technical readiness and cleared the path for field deployment.


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post Apr 23 2025, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:41 PM)
They abandon their hypersonic program without producing anything lah

If that is not failure, I don't know what failure is anymore.

You know what is hypersonic missiles or not?
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boost glide is not one of them?

https://armyrecognition.com/military-produc...ersonic-missile

as mentioned by takbodoh they got dozens of program. your first statement make it seem as if they only have ONE, or that they abandon ALL of them. misleading

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post Apr 23 2025, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:48 PM)
U.S. Scraps Purchase of Hypersonic Boost-Glide Vehicle
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2023-05/new...t-glide-vehicle
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again misleading. this is just one such program. the army is operational and ready to be deployed.

if you noticed the ones cancelled are all the air launched variants (airforce and navy)

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post Apr 23 2025, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:52 PM)
They abandon and terminate so many programs and that is not failed?

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how many tests did spacex take before they manage to land their rocket? dont you think you are stretching the definition of "failure" a bit much? if they have one effective hypersonic weapon and 99 failed/abandoned, who cares if its "failure"? I would say its "wasteful" rather than operationally failed.

When wumao like you say failure, we all know what you mean, that the US cannot and are unable to make a hypersonic weapon. it is thus easy to prove such statement wrong if they can even produce just ONE weapon .

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post Apr 23 2025, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 04:58 PM)
Plotek Plotek Plotek

Fail means fail lah
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disappointing that someone like you who posts so many scientific articles can resort to such unscientific hyperbole.
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post Apr 23 2025, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Apr 23 2025, 05:04 PM)
Because no matter what I say, people like you won't accept US failed.

In your eyes, US is Maverick. Old 4th gen plane also can shoot down 6th gen plane.  whistling.gif
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funny, if US army use their hypersonic missile, first time in history a country used failed weapon. what is your definition of fail and success then?

even worse, make misleading statements then backtrack with childish remarks

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They abandon their hypersonic program without producing anything lah


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post Apr 23 2025, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 23 2025, 05:45 PM)
so what are their actual operational hypersonic then, AFAIK US has none actually deployed

ICBMs do not count, since theyre non maneuverable ballistic missiles unlike the modern hypersonics
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already posted repeatedly in post #111 and #109 but TS blind or pretend didn't see.

no one objects if he says US is behind russia and china in hypersonics weapons. saying they fail, didnt produce anything or cancel entirely their program is patently false.

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post Apr 23 2025, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 23 2025, 07:10 PM)
LRHW was said to be fielded by 2023 but its not even operational or fielded due to delays. so US still have nothing essentially in hypersonic side

mind you this LRHW is even on the "slow" spectrum of hypersonics just barely passing the mach5 requirement
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whats operational ? successfully passed all up testing in december.
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post Apr 23 2025, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 23 2025, 10:43 PM)
when its actually produced and delivered like the Russians/Chinese hypersonics

cause right now US DOD themselves said while it passed the tests years ago, there are no actual systems ready or deployed at all. you call this operational? kek

theyve been delaying it since 2023 when they said testing phase passed, but now they estimate late 2025 only can deploy kek
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incorrect on this part. it was supposed to be fielded then but tests were aborted in 2023. in may 2024 and dec 2024 they successfully tested the entire system including the hypersonic round in the all up test.

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2025/02/26...of-fiscal-year/

 

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