Earlier I have issue at work. Everyday nightmare dealing with this fella difficult staff.

Want to change job, kept applying, but recently 2 employers at jobstreet rejected my application.

Then I bombarded linkedin with 30 applications, macam no progress.

Is life over at 51yo? Not sure why employers refuse to take me in. I am in good health, no high blood pressure. I know people as young as 37yo already kena high blood pressure. HR so particular with age meh?

I am an Accountant.

I know here serious k, are you serious need new acc posting here?

We're in the age of depopulationz...

Oredi say.. 5 years, whatever you save... irregardless how old you are... make you if you don't work for a long time... that pot of money can sustain you indefinitely..

if wanna get a job... this few years.. dont be soo picky... all the best...

2 years time AI will be full fledge agentic.. alot more white collar jobs would be wiped out..

feel sad man, is this end of my career life?

I have to suffer in this co for another 9 years?

I just need to replenish my EPF, to max it as much as I can.

Linkedin is so useless.

sorry to be blunt, but a 51-year-old accountant struggling to manage even one staff member may lack the necessary skills and emotional intelligence required for effective people management. these attributes are critical for the position you may aspiring to. it might be more suitable to focus on roles that primarily involve working with data and numbers.

I can hire 2 accountants for the price of 1 and at a younger age. So what do you offer?

Jib pkenty but salary lower than previously, if willing take lower then build up again in another company. Be an ic not pm cos you obviously can’t handle 1 person.

Odd you can't find employment elsewhere. Especially for an accountant.

Asking salary too high?

At this age, I think employers expect more than just an accountant. Maybe see what other management skills you can bring to the table instead.

lower your salary by 10%. Sure got people hire.

Look for jobs in Facebook group(s)!

This post has been edited by tekkaus: Dec 19 2024, 12:45 AM

51? I had issues at 31

trade a little, be it forex or btc

Same here. Not easy to get job when your age passes 40 level.

many scam jobs posted and you need to filter.

Keep trying.

actually the chances start to diminished by 40 yo.

your last chance to change job should be at 40.

by 50 people would be worry about your work rate and your non work commitment, such as your parents/kids and your own health. means you need to take more time off and therefore, less people would like to hire those above 50

All the best TS.

Well, that is true.

As business owner, let me be frank. Its almost impossible to hire someone above 50 because of the following:
1. Most old people can't cope with technology. Some so stubborn, die2 want to use old school system.
2. Health Issue.
3. Attitude. Old people are usually stubborn af. They dont want to listen to young people, no matter how good the advise is.
4. Salary too high mainly because years and years of experience. But let face it, 10 years experience is good enough already.
5. Commitment issue. Young couples, or newly married couple are better as they have commitment. Old people usually have this dgaf attitude.

I know it does not apply to all, but most are. I do have one manager at 56 years old. Dont know how to use phone other than forwarding message and tiktok. Cant even use online banking. Stubborn af. Had bypass surgery, slip disk, and yet still smoke like no tomorrow, everyday also drink cap kapak whisky.

Sorry to be blunt, but yes. Last time got 1 guy shared he got laid off during covid, until today having trouble finding a job. 48 y.o. I think.

Don't know what to tell you except either keep applying & expecting rejections / find some ways to improve your situation at work. Don't quit cold turkey if you're expecting you can find another job easily, it won't.

My opinion is ;

SME --> Always offer low salary package
MNC --> Always looking for candidate who had licensing/ proficient experience.

So what do you got and what is your min which can accept?

How about freelancing? Set up your own company and running short term projects? Probably any of your contacts can help out to give an assignment and build your profile there onwards.

Not gonna lie but I rarely use Linkedin, the last time I got a job was using j0bstreet to apply. Have you tried that yet?

Try Indeed. I have had much better success previously with it.

I agree with you. Most older folks I come across are like that.
If you introduce a new software, they will grumble and refuse to learn..."why must change?", "what's wrong with existing one?"...

But if you introduce a new software for overtime claims, they can master it in no time.

depending your experience, if MIA plenty of choice. MIA also depend who holding. If no then just go for SME with lower salary. meanwhile search for other income

I had one UMW HR told me qualifications, salary no issue, but age, so had to reject my application. eventho the hiring manager wanted to hire me. That time I was 45 y/o.

Damn sad when you realize, age has become a barrier eventho physically and mentally, feels like nothing have changed.

Since OP got job at least not so urgently in need, can take time to filter. I just took what ever that came my way, and landed working in a factory, Im from marketing background, current job totally does not utilize marketing knowledge.

Our team is pretty new, accountant (53 y/o) was hired three months before me, production manager (50 y/o) a month after me, storekeeper (55 y/o) hired five months ago and admin (47 y/o) two months ago. Reason being all the young hires, have so much drama and dreams. the boss was fed up with all the high turn over. So far seems to have stabilize and the factory is upping production. Only the technicians, engineers, QC are under 30's.


So OP, keep trying la. When not yet found cos, it is not time, when its time it will come. Just be ready when it comes.

Tbh even at 40 also not many employers keen.
I think the last chance to change job is 30-ish, unless you're so valuable others pay more to korek you over, but that's different story.

This post has been edited by sapusapu: Dec 19 2024, 10:06 AM

The employers are looking those young with energic one.

This post has been edited by jack2: Dec 19 2024, 10:20 AM

+ cheap

blessed to be in an industry where I can work till my 80s, and the older I get, the more valuable I become and the less work I need to do.

My kennel is constantly looking for helper with high paid salary but unfortunately, hardly to get someone who is suitable.

retired uncle who is still physically strong should be able to help.

im also looking for retiring auntie/ house wife who can take care of an elder - free accommodation also. if anyone knows someone, pls pm me. thanks.

I can help you.

What prompted you to quit your previous job? The job before the current one with your subordinate being able to do 60% of your work.

Mostly are scammers that reply

Did you put DOB or photo in your CV?
Take that out

the harsh reality of market right now, even 35+ over not spared of this condition

too many younger and cheap workforce readily available - only downside is current new gen more rebellious and prone to fight back, or worse combined with stupid pride with 0 working/practical knowledge, come and go as they please

at the moment, the best possible way to beat the other in the rest probably lowering your salary request

I read some posts here, and I’m not even 40, but I feel like I already have the mindset of a 50-year-old, lol.

True what? Why change a system that has been running well w/o any major issues for many years? Why go through another learning curve just to adapt to a new framework for the sake of "keeping up with the latest tech"?

Anyway TS, good luck finding new job.
Most people I know, by 40+, already want to settle down in their current company.
Some, with high ambition (tambah biini, lol), will go all out jilat upper management so they can spend their last few years at the company at the higher management level.

Really. Dm..

Location?

Cheras

Care to enlighten me what kind of skill and emo intelligence that you claim can handle and dazzle that one staff?

if you can't convince me here, then you are the same as me.

I used to handle data and numbers kind of job, but seems that every hr just look at my recent job experience, not my old job experience.

I know Power BI, who says I old school system.
Health? my blood pressure is 110/75. I cycle 75km a week.
Attitude. Well I am doing a different role within my co with same pay.
Commitment? I have commitment. My kids still young.

I hope you drop fallacy about old staff mentality, not all of us are useless.

may i know how much asking salary?

I did not quit.

I was transferred to new department

I been with this company for 10 years.

looking back at my reply, i realize it might have come across harsher than i intended—my bad. i don’t see myself as better than you or anyone else. i’ve just been fortunate to work under someone who recognized my strengths and weaknesses, which allowed me to settle into a comfy role where i can be relatively productive with minimal interaction with the rest of the team.

I agree.

Usually we got trapped in 30s by getting ourselves into bank loans/buy house/etc but not knowing our jobs may not last into our 40s.

Banks / property agents are out there to persuade you to spend money one.

This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Dec 19 2024, 01:35 PM

this reply is the reason why people don't hire 50+
baru tegur sikit2, already mau justify and say i am better because i know abit about modern tech.

I literally says at the end of my reply there, not all, but mostly are. And u tend to ignore that and continue to justify. No one says anyting about being useless. Its arrogance, and it shows here.

No one talked about old school. I am talking about adaptability to modern system. Knowing stuff and being able to adapt to it are totally different things.
Health is not just about blood pressure. And 75km per week is low, especially cycling. Cycling does not put much pressure on your knees. When u are old, a lot of disease lurked in without u knowing. When is the last time u did full medical checkup for 50 and above? Not just normal medical checkup, but special one for people above 50.
Attitude is not about doing different things or different role. Its about how u treat other, especially people who are younger than u. Its about how u swallow your pride, and being able to listen to younger people advise.

Your replies shows how u see younger people.

And since you have experience, why dont u do freelance? Since u are in accounting, I know a lot of companies looking for freelance to do their management account and audit account.

Can you elaborate your job scope and specialisation when you said you are an accountant

There is something I fail to understand coming from a 51 yo accredited person

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Dec 19 2024, 03:45 PM

51 is young in the UK. retirement age around 67/68

my colleague at 55 just got a new 20 year mortgage

If you open your option to work in sabah, plenty of vacancy for you as accountant.

Since you use LinkedIn alot, did you goreng (use a bit of fancy words) abit on your resume? What i meant is brush up your achievements. May let me know, I try to see how to help you with your resume.

This post has been edited by NinG: Dec 19 2024, 03:47 PM

hello there!
so, which type of "Accountant" are you


am guessing most likely the one with an ACCA or an equivalent
as to WHY potential employers did not take you on..

Is your current/expected remuneration/salary package within the current job market range?
Perhaps your current skillset doesn't match with the position you are applying for? OR you are unfamiliar with their accounting software, say from Autocount/SQL to SAP or vice-versa?
And do you specialize in a particular area of accounting, say Taxation? or some other thingamajiggy? Quite niche market if you do specialize in a particular field.

You seem quite adamant on seeking a job/getting hired (30apps, linkedin, jobstreet) - something entrepreneurial-ish is not on the cards for ya, eh?

Proven with 1 reply.

yes, try freelance...GL TS

No one would ever provide constructive opinion because TS has not quite straight go to the critical point of his difficulties.

two accountants cabut after few months and plenty of MC and no meeting dateline

my offer is stability and trouble free flow.

Most companies aren't really hiring these days. Many are downsizing and closing business.

If there's an opening, the only reason for the fill in is to clear the mess which no existing staff can handle or to replace a recent staff who just left.

So count your blessings that you still have a job and pray you won't be the next in layoffs.

It's going to be terrible in 2025 soon after CNY.

51yo and still under employment? You are among the luckiest. Most companies are not hiring anymore in your late 30s not just in Malaysia, S.Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and many countries.

I agree with you, these are what those old seafood attitude people dislike.
Can't afford to let ppl tegur a bit.

Should just be humble, learn on ur wording/speaking, accept people's compliment and then only explain. Not sikit sikit then defensive mode replies.

For a while, I prefered more experienced hires. (Aged 30+) But that didn't turn out well in the long run. Could be just my luck.

The younger generations are not as bad as one would think. Just have to put some effort to train them.

I guess your asking price is high ?

Honestly at your age, you would have a better chance in Singapore as their age requirement for hiring is much better than here.

If you are at managerial level or higher, finding a job at 50s should not be a problem.

You are an accountant? Do freelance!

At over 50 years of age, most employers already view such candidate as approaching retirement or should already be running their own successful businesses.

Even at above 40 the expectation that with close to 20 years of experience working you should already be in a managerial position to handle things from managing people, well knowledgeable in the industry you're in and running a company itself.

For get about employment, if you're already a professional accountant with so many years of experience it's time to brave yourself to become your own boss.

That's the only option for older candidates now above 35yo that have been working through good times. The economy now is not too good to absorb the many graduates coming out each year and at the same time take care of the elderly.

Malaysia there's little value for employing veterans and the skillful.

It is a problem because Malaysian companies and everywhere feels it's not worthwhile employing anyone above 40yo anymore because they can simply be replaced by younger blood with cheaper salaries and are more actively willing to work longer hours.

The role of a manager hire is not simple, and its expectation is very high. You're required to know most things on day 1 as a new recruit and the commitment expectation is that your life belongs to the company's 24/7 responsible for almost everything.

Unless the company directors/VP knows you well as a long time friend/relative, such important positions are only hired behind closed doors not on open vacancies on job recruitment sites.

Also like I said before, during bad times like now there is no expansion plans. They only hire if they company is in deep trouble needing some scapegoat to pick up a mess that is happening.

what you listed is true

Yes that's that's the reality of what most bosses and employers have already in their hiring mindset.

Old people should already be on their own employment by certain age. Contributing new ideas and keeping up with modern times does not justify higher income request despite being more experienced in the industry.

They only want fresh blood and there's plenty of them churning out from modern universities these days.

No more expansion drive means they will only adopt hire and fire attitude to make use of cheap labor to put out the fire either the mess that is present or one that is by recent staffs who left.

That is why official retirement age set by government is no more relevant.

Employment policies like these is cutting the people's retirement age much earlier than expected.

Unless u are a star employee and great character, u are not going anywhere, so just wait for luck come, that all we can do

Another way is to do own small business / side income

How about retire at 51?

Do you have kids?
if no commitments actually can retire very young

This post has been edited by yehlai: Dec 19 2024, 08:55 PM

Sorry man..51 years old either u take serious pay cut or just suck it up..

Reality is a lot of fresh 20 to 30 ish willing to work half ur pay.

And most managers now r latest 40 plus…I really hope u find and out.. else just bare it till 55..

I know its shit..but some people lose their job..and hard to recover..not worth

TS, it's time to reconsider your own employment and take full control.

With so many years of experience, this is your next step calling. Your employment should last you for as long as you can work if you can successfully pull through.

Maybe try to get job agent?

I changed job at age 49 through a job agent.
I was surprised they hired me.
I thought I was too old
Pay also good as it was negotiated by the agent.

Me not accountant but doing Finance IT.

If you can do things other cant

They will still hire you

Age passed 40, I’ve never apply new jobs and usually I’m being headhunted if you’ve some unique experience in a particular sector

i guess ts is bad in networking

after 40 yo perhaps should get job via your cable

To be fair, just because u are senior doesn't mean u can automatically handle all staff or that the youngsters will automatically respect u.

In any company, sure got some problematic staff who will not respect their seniors/bosses. Sometimes can be genuine greviences/misunderstandings. Other times can be the buggers are just plain assholes/full of.themselves thinking they are too good for the.company.

If u want to change job just cause of 1 problematic staff. Then I strongly discourage such a move. Even if u get another job doesn't automatically mean that u won't face the same problem.

The job market worldwide is bad & it's not easy especially for older people to get a new job & with the number of graduates being churn out each year.This is not the 80's 90's anymore when it was easier to get a job especially for graduates.

Right now, it's the employer market so they will will be very choosy.

Before u go freelance, just remember that it will take time to establish a reputation & to secure enough clients to support yourself & family.

Also there are plenty of freelancers nowadays & since your kids are still young. It may not be a wise move. Imo, freelancing is more suitable for those with less commitments & those that feel it's better to pour all the effort into your own business rather than working for.others.

Also, take.note that you have to chase customers into.paying up as lot will play dumb so u have to.make sure that u have a decent cash flow while waiting for the clients to pay up.

Unless your current workplace.is very toxic & u can't handle it.anymore. You should refrain from quitting more for the sake of your family unless u have a ironclad job offer.

Regardless, all the best.

To justify means arrogance? You just made a sweeping general statement about people in their 50s can't adapt. Where are your statistics? There are a lot of smart people who can adapt in their 50s. A lot of vice presidents and business owners are in their 50s. Elon Musk is 53yo - he has 3 successful business in rocket, EV and social media business plus he is now a Trump advisor, that speaks a lot about adaptability. That arrogance generalization should be pointed back to you and you made sweeping assumptions "mostly", how mostly? 50%? 60%? 80% ?

Again here lies in your discrimination and misjudgement of people character. You've got to synergize people with different skills and characteristics. To justify is not a sign of pride. Americans likes to speak their mind, so you telling me that you should shun working with Americans? In the workplace, there are people who justify - lawyers, a marketing consultant that does their pitch, a sales guy who wants to close their sales, an analyst that produces his results and stats to show why co is in this situation.

Just because you had bad experiences with older people does not mean, the rest is as bad as they are.

I am 51yo, not 70yo, for goodness sakes. Yes I may have higher chances of diseases. But I tell you, I am a lot more fitter than most dudes younger than me. When I climbed Tabur and Broga hills, I see young people left behind in a huff and puff breathless. There are young people who kena cancer in their 20s and 30s, for your information. Yes perhaps stats show higher risks, but that doesn't mean I am a zombie, for goodness sakes. In Japan, UK, Singapore, Australia, they hire people in their mid 60s to work, there's got to be some justification to that.

I cycle once per week, on Saturdays, so its one day = 75km. Again, you like to assume. Who tells you that cycling does not put much pressure on your knees. I cycle up to Genting sempah. I don't cycle on flat land, mostly hilly terrain and I maintain my cadence.

And another thing, I did not know you are a younger person. We just communicate here, I have never seen you in my life. Seriously, you have issues, just because someone don't agree with you, does not mean that someone is full of pride don't listen to advice and full of arrogance. The other way can be said of you.

My reply shows how I see younger people? You think I have bionic eyes can see you are younger in this forum?

I have worked as a freelancer before, does not make as money as my senior position plus cashflow due to clients don't prioritize accounting and audit work payments. Maybe audit and taxation can enforce, but not so much accounting work. E-invoice is very challenging as it involves IT and mediaware expertise.

Rant all you want, it show how arrogant u are. Most of the replies here agree with my statement, or at least questioned your network. I imagine you are not an easy person to work with. While u rant and try your hardest to justify your arrogance, I'm going to let u win in public forum. I'm not the one who open a thread in public online forum asking for a job anyway.

With your attitude, good luck working with gen z. They will cancel u right away. U may want to reflect on how u respond to criticism and harsh response. Sometime the problem is not with others, but within yourself.

your reply reeks of boomer mentality, don't know how to save you.
elon musk 50+ is an example? your logic circuit is not working.....please go read back what you wrote.

you need to accept when u get older, u definitely bring less to the table and you need to be flexible with expectations.
if you want big bucks, you need to open your own business.

well, TS is pretty delusional in a sad way. we all know who won here

aduh. compare young people heart attack and what broga hill.

youngsters today are smart and adaptable. that's why i always respect my nieces and nephews and talk to them on eye level, not seniority level.

true, if 50s, still cannot find job through connection, then what ts has done past decades? burn bridges?

no right or wrong, i think 5 pages is enough advice given.

all the best, ts, i do really hope you find a job, everyone just wants to put food on table at the end of the day.

This post has been edited by gashout: Dec 23 2024, 12:44 PM

You still working. Just work until your last breath.

Plenty of Job out there, It's matter of one attitude and willingness to accept or not.

Hi,
I'm sap background, not FI though. But as you mention, you don't want (or don't have the skill?) to do IT related work like sap system upgrades, data migration, data mapping, 3rd party data integration, bank integration, which is like the majority of sap project works. I don't know how valuable is an accountant that don't specialise in a system...but since you have difficulty, I assume it's hard out there, since it's easy to get sap works especially finance.
I don't know your exact situation, but if youre single, there will be a time, when you just want to do thing without answering to people.
Anyway, good luck bro.

How u know AI will replace us? And why 5 years?

Autonomous job maybe la but u can't expect chatgpt to manage a team

Reading TS posts makes me scared with my own future.

I have a colleague that almost 50 years old. But decided to stay until retirement since there will be age discrimination if my colleague find a new job.

Now I understand why some people refuse to jump to other companies if their current work environment, their coworkers are good. I mean good in terms of not toxic, less drama and other issues.

Other than that, company stability is also important if you plan to work in a long term

This post has been edited by xpole: Dec 23 2024, 07:01 PM

Hmmm why i kena tag in this post lol

Sorry lambat reply. Buat part time accountant saja. Got several of my fren doing it. Good life juga.

most people's productive years are only 25 years. make sure to make good use of the time and energy while you are still young and healthy.

never take granted for things... buy what 100k cars when you don't have enough money for retirement

51 either you're already top 20% or still middle 40%.

if you're at top 20% category then cincai jump also can become director.

if still middle 40% then not much chance already.

bottom 40% how?