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Intel Arc B580 12GB
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babylon52281
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Jan 19 2025, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jan 18 2025, 09:19 PM) Market will fix it in 2 months time, $199 would be great. There will be no competition until RX 9040 / 9050 exists. NVIDIA has gotten too greedy to abandon this space. The more concern is on the availability. TSMC has extremely high yield and I afraid there will not be many of the defect chips can be made into B570, unless Intel decided to commit highly into this market via forced handicap.  Same can be found in AMD not really providing 4 cores chiplet in the low end segment, instead rely on making smaller SKUs like Phoenix 2. Unfortunately such market corrections are usually late or never comes to Msian market (or even outside USA). As HUB has reviewed, even in Aus the B580 pricing is same as RTX4060 which makes it a now poor value card when factor in certain game crashes & driver overhead issue. In Msia its always been pricing relative to performance so I wont be surprised if B580 will be higher priced than 4060 and B570 will be priced similar to 4060 which then makes both GPU a hard sell here. Look at local Radeon prices for example.
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TSTsuki91
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Jan 22 2025, 04:44 PM
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found one example of the B580 that made it to the market. Downside is the price; RM1799. Card in question is a GUNNIR ARC B580 INDEX 12GB. This brand I think is notorious for marking up more than the supposed MSRP of ARC GPUs. Hopefully more brands come in such as Sparkle and ASRock that potentially have better pricing than the RTX4060...
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babylon52281
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Jan 22 2025, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(Tsuki91 @ Jan 22 2025, 04:44 PM) found one example of the B580 that made it to the market. Downside is the price; RM1799. Card in question is a GUNNIR ARC B580 INDEX 12GB. This brand I think is notorious for marking up more than the supposed MSRP of ARC GPUs. Hopefully more brands come in such as Sparkle and ASRock that potentially have better pricing than the RTX4060... LOL knew that resellers will scalp kawkaw! Shopee Just IT is selling Asus branded 4060 at RM 1291. For B580 to be at those prices will insta DOA. To be considered, B580 cannot price higher than RM 1200 otherwise its value goes down the drain. But I can bet you, mostly will retail at RM 1300
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TSTsuki91
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Jan 23 2025, 01:52 AM
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if it's RM1300 or so, that's a much realistic price range. Still cheaper than a 4060Ti and potentially the 5060 imo. I do hope the upcoming driver update fixes more issues when more B580s come here.
This post has been edited by Tsuki91: Jan 23 2025, 01:52 AM
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babylon52281
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Jan 23 2025, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(Tsuki91 @ Jan 23 2025, 01:52 AM) if it's RM1300 or so, that's a much realistic price range. Still cheaper than a 4060Ti and potentially the 5060 imo. I do hope the upcoming driver update fixes more issues when more B580s come here. Its real scalpy when B580 global MSRP is below 4060 but come here becomes higher than that card. Right now 4060 is the incumbent, you dont beat the incumbent by giving poorer value than it. That is why Radeons are such failure to sell here. This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 23 2025, 12:37 PM
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TSTsuki91
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Jan 24 2025, 12:51 AM
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even if by some extent the B580s are sold for RM1400, it's still have much better value in the long run since Nvidia has abandoned the sub-RM1.6k GPU market. Intel has all the advantage here but I doubt it's that easy over here. Maybe buying from SG is better after all since the price over there is a little better... as a last resort, of course if the prices here are more than RM1400.
This post has been edited by Tsuki91: Jan 24 2025, 12:52 AM
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babylon52281
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Jan 24 2025, 08:21 AM
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Its down to the bottomline.
If intel cannot make money from Arc its bad for Intel. If intel cannot push enuff stocks to retail causing scalper price its bad for Intel. If intel cannot make enuff to fill retail shelfs & have presence its bad for Intel.
AMD was smarter to hold & buffer 9070/XT stocks until launch in March so they will have plenty to flood the retail.
If you still cannot get B580 at MSRP by end Feb might as well wait for Nvidia & AMD to launch their budget GPUS.
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TSTsuki91
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Jan 24 2025, 01:13 PM
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That will be my last resort if it comes to that. My skepticism for the RTX50 Series is still pretty high considering they're essentially RTX40xxTi Supers in a nutshell, not even a proper generational leap over Ada Lovelace.
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kingkingyyk
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Feb 2 2025, 04:09 PM
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https://shopee.com.my/Sparkle-Intel-Arc-B57...4a-8513d0917614The price is a bit too high for B570, but a nice deal for B580.
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TSTsuki91
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Feb 2 2025, 06:02 PM
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if only.
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kingkingyyk
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Feb 25 2025, 07:21 PM
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Looks like there is 3 units of B580 in DotaTech.  1429 for Challenger and 1539 for Steel Legend.
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babylon52281
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Feb 26 2025, 08:16 AM
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Feb 25 2025, 07:21 PM) Looks like there is 3 units of B580 in DotaTech.  1429 for Challenger and 1539 for Steel Legend. Same price as 4060 and slightly more than 7600. This GPU is DOA. Needs to be at most RM 1400 with MSRP base model at 1300.
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chocobo7779
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Mar 2 2025, 04:11 AM
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 26 2025, 08:16 AM) Same price as 4060 and slightly more than 7600. This GPU is DOA. Needs to be at most RM 1400 with MSRP base model at 1300. Even worse still for not much more you can get a 7600XT, without the high CPU overhead on the drivers https://shopee.com.my/Sapphire-PULSE-AMD-Ra...d9-6fc972c5d193
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babylon52281
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Mar 2 2025, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Mar 2 2025, 04:11 AM) Even worse still for not much more you can get a 7600XT, without the high CPU overhead on the drivers https://shopee.com.my/Sapphire-PULSE-AMD-Ra...d9-6fc972c5d193Funny why when Intel & AMD graphics comes here they dont like want to even try and compete by giving better offers. nvidia despite its overprices is quite close margin to its global street prices. Arc & Radeons globally has bigger gap but comes here RM 100-200 less which is meaningless when nvidia mindshare can easily close that gap even at budget level. Its like they gave up b4 even launching here. EDIT: The distros here also share a big portion of blame. B580 suppose to be cheaper than 7600 but due to its slightly higher perf, distros & resellers here priced them between 7600 & 7600xt which is automatic DOA. Why Intel? WHY?! This post has been edited by babylon52281: Mar 2 2025, 11:00 AM
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Zaszo
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Mar 8 2025, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 24 2025, 08:21 AM) Its down to the bottomline. If intel cannot make money from Arc its bad for Intel. If intel cannot push enuff stocks to retail causing scalper price its bad for Intel. If intel cannot make enuff to fill retail shelfs & have presence its bad for Intel. AMD was smarter to hold & buffer 9070/XT stocks until launch in March so they will have plenty to flood the retail. If you still cannot get B580 at MSRP by end Feb might as well wait for Nvidia & AMD to launch their budget GPUS. Considering how much GPU sells at current market now, budget GPU means a used GPU.
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vkashin
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Mar 13 2025, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(Tsuki91 @ Jan 24 2025, 12:51 AM) even if by some extent the B580s are sold for RM1400, it's still have much better value in the long run since Nvidia has abandoned the sub-RM1.6k GPU market. Intel has all the advantage here but I doubt it's that easy over here. Maybe buying from SG is better after all since the price over there is a little better... as a last resort, of course if the prices here are more than RM1400. Hi TS did you end up getting a b580? wondering if you're happy with its performance? my old R9 380x is showing its age already, and saw on shopee that All IT is selling the asrock challenger at RM 1214, which is pretty attractive however seems like due to the overhead issue, my i5-11400 may encounter some problem This post has been edited by vkashin: Mar 13 2025, 05:11 PM
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TSTsuki91
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Mar 15 2025, 07:00 PM
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have you enabled ReBAR and update the driver to the latest build? Also, I manage to snag one from All IT for RM1220, which is still very good deal. It's not here yet but I'll do some testings once it arrives to my doorstep. Either way, the current price is far more better than the 4060 and the upcoming 5060.
This post has been edited by Tsuki91: Mar 15 2025, 07:02 PM
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PJng
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Mar 15 2025, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(Tsuki91 @ Mar 15 2025, 07:00 PM) have you enabled ReBAR and update the driver to the latest build? Also, I manage to snag one from All IT for RM1220, which is still very good deal. It's not here yet but I'll do some testings once it arrives to my doorstep. Either way, the current price is far more better than the 4060 and the upcoming 5060. i not sure what platform you use, if me i wait a bit more for lazada bday sale, maybe got more voucher discount
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