It performs just a tad slightly lower than 3060Ti. A big improvement yes, but it wont knock your socks off riding that 2060.

As for getting LE. Dont hope on it, Msia market tends to be ignored by all these FE, MBA, LE direct sold by the brands themselves.

I may be wrong but realistically dont expect to get from local distros at RM 1300 your hoping it to be. Expect closer to 1500 or around whichever pricepoint 4060/7600 to be.

Have you checked the prices of hardware and how much our currency drop these days? RM 1500 is par for the course for 1080 medium.

And if Intel BOD doesnt give up yet on the money losing side of the business... they ady sacked both the Arc main benefactors and if BM doesnt gain marketshare its baibai for C gen.

Will it? I dont think so even if 8600 isnt ground breaking whatsoever. Look at the chart here;



B580 is ave 8 FPS more than 7600
7600 is gen-on-gen 19 FPS more than 6600

If 8600 were to keep the same gen-on-gen 20 FPS uplift over 7600 as it did with 6600 that would put it WELL OVER the B580 ady, I would say landing it somewhere in 4060TI range.

In such scenario, budget gamers would like choose 8600 over B580 for simply AMD much more mature software drivers support over Intel. Having Day 1 stability issues on AAA game like BMW is a big red flag to casual gamers who just want to plonk the new GPU in and start gaming.

Really its not the next hot thing and I dont see BMG gen a best seller that would easily convince Intel BOD. Pathetic and retarded as they are, their after short term profits for angry investors and if BMG aint it, Celestial might just die on the drawing board.

However if C gen does come out, a 'C580' would need to score at least 20 FPS over 8600 to keep pace with the next gen 9600 later. That would be the gen-on-gen uplift that Arc needs to target to be competitive.

Not just that, BMG gen is also a big chip in comparison to 4060/7600 die size. So not only is TSMC scalping chip market, Intel oso dont have silicon price parity with Nvidia/AMD basically i see Intel is gonna lose money as well for BMG gen. Intel might recoup a portion of that loss if they could switch mid-gen to 18A but its rare for such huge manufacturing shift within the same generation. I see it Intel would realistically start use 18A for C gen... if Arc will survive Intel BOD.

Depends on what you define by decent.

I see it a basic 2 slot, 2 fan card for 190W GPU. Very similar to 3060Ti which can hit 80+ C at full gaming load. Nothing to worry about here but your likely to hear the fan noise if the PC is table height close to you.
A 3 fan version like Sparkle Titan wont significantly improve cooling or increase OCing, but the fans will spin slower so will not sound as loud.

As long as you game with earsets and dont mind the noise, its a 'decent' card.

Its just a midrange GPU not a 4090 killer with 4070 pricetag. Relax when people have different opinion, as its not a clear cut king

It will give you about 47% better uplift


Or to put in another way, at the time of launch the 3060TI had a bigger perf margin over your 2060

Its coming for sure, even Myway is putting into his SI build reco but your most likely to get AIB versions and not LE.

Also due to Xmas, current stocks global shortage and whats available are overpriced. In Msia expect the usual markups as the retailers here are gonna take a look at relative performance to nvidia/AMD offerings and price the B580 accordingly, fighting with 7600XT / 4060TI 8GB which will make Battlemage a nonsensical option for most people as its USA MSRP price advantage goes down the drain and if so I would still reco nvidia/AMD just for the less buggy drivers and Day 1 game support ready for you to play without fuss.

All I can say is after my warnings, if buyers still insist to get Battlemage whichever tier later, please do share your experience and if any workarounds on bugs and fixes.

Make yourself more knowledgeable before you show your foolishness


https://www.techspot.com/review/2935-intel-arc-b580/

Massively popular AAA games that was release months ago shouldnt have been facing playing issues on Day 1, never heard of nvidia or AMD could fail this bad. Casual gamers would rather not deal with bugs and just play. Whats the point of having a Mustang vs a Kancil when that Mustang keeps breaking down? It has to work without fuss firstly. If it cannot take you from point A to B whats the point of being technically faster?

See the caveat why its highly praised, they all want Intel to succeed and give competition but have you ever ask yourself if it was so gooddamn good why isnt it their new daily driver card hmm? Bcoz at the end of the day they still stick with Nvidia. LOL!

RDR also has a driver issue

Timeskip to 17.10

Intel Arc having Day1 driver issues with even mainstream games is a big killer, whatmore for obscure or even indie games. Like has anyone tried Arc on Genshin? Or Honkai Star Rail?

And whether some fool wants to accept the truth or not its their problem. Budget gamers who dont have much money only has 1 option from either Nvidia, AMD or Intel, so making the most wise & safest choice coz to get another GPU will be a costly mistake.

Reviewers everywhere also rated 9800x3d very highly too, but in reality its only that high in gaming. Otherwise its dogshit for workflow usage and general purpose (high idle power use vs Intel).

Some people are taken by influencers, I geddit, their waterfishes.

But people should make their own decisions after having all the facts and not just easily listen to others. I not say BMG is bad but it needs a lot more work to make it good for users, and nobody can predict the future how it will turn out.

And if Intel fanbois wanna show their fanboyism here well the internet is free no?

xx60 family kinda fail since 4060 but since nvidia focus more on higher end its not like they care. Less lower tier GPU sales meant more silicon allo for their AI processor which has skyhigh margin over lower GPU segments.

People tend to forget that GPU are more than the sum of their parts now. AMD historically had better hardware/per dollar than nvidia in each segment (except 4090) but market still go towards nvidia due to their better software stacks for RT, DLSS, streaming, shadowplay, and now FG, all which AMD are playing catchup and yet still buggy as hell.

Yes playing games is as much software as it is hardware and nvidia knew to make that switch years ago. Having top notch software & drivers that, in Jensen words: "it just works" is arguably the more impactful to user experience than having inferior hardware.

No FPS or frametime graph chart kinda useless to tell how well it performs or frame lags.

I only take comments with hard figures seriously. And youtube will skewer gameplay vids, esp high FPS.

If its not popular to be posted does it mean its not going to be popular for obscure games? Point to ponder for those players then.

These are distros. They wont sell you direct unless your buying in boxes of say hundreds.