4060 still costing over RM1500 is crazy when the supposed successor is rolling out in 2 months. Now every Tom, Dick and Harry PC shop is gonna struggle getting rid of their rotting inventories coz they're too stubborn to do price cuts, thinking people are willing to pay pre-pandemic prices or at "scalped" prices.

Arc B580 is RM1809 on Synapse Malaysia, I think its dead on arrival when you can buy 4060TI 8GB for same price.

Not official distro likely parallel imported so jack up the pricing to fish for early bird waterfishes who want to try out. Also I see Sparkle Orc? 3Fan version in Shopee for RM 2088. Go figure.

Better wait for official pricing from resellers.

It's been a week since the news came out regarding about making more B580s to keep up with demand... if all the stores here still don't have it by next week, I'll have to call in some favors and help me get it from Singapore since over the Causeway there are shops have it in their inventory. Don't wanna say this but the local PC market sucks.

Rather top up for Powercolor RX 7800 XT 16GB at RM2069 from Lazada sale today. Much more powerful GPU.

Shortage from demand is expected. Everyone is using TSMC fab. It will take time. Unless Intel and Samsung fab catches up. Shortage is common.

My budget is RM1500, no more, no less. 4060s is not on the list coz the price-to-performance is not as good as the B580s. My list of games is mostly VRAM-intensive and the 4060 is not up to task since I also don't rely on software crutches like DLSS, let alone with FG as the increase in overall latency (even with Reflex) is a turn-off for me. I just hope next week there will be some kind of news regarding about B580s popping up in the local market at reasonable prices.

This post has been edited by Tsuki91: Jan 10 2025, 07:15 PM

China factories (where these GPUS are made) will begin shutting down from 20th onwards until 1 week after CNY. If you havent seen it here, you should expect it by after CNY.

I didn't read thru all the comments since my last post but looks like haters & supporters all enter dramatic or panic mode but Nvidia Geforce GPUs also have the very same issue which Hardware Unboxed make a video about it about 3 yrs ago but people still buying it so what's the big deal, unless you are still using some very old gen CPU otherwise you should be fine.

By the way this issue is still a thing in Nvidia Geforce GPUs.




This post has been edited by bluecat68: Jan 14 2025, 01:10 PM

Its funny how fanbois continue to catch anything on surface to fight their lost cause. Want to talk about nvidia driver overhead too? Well take a look.


https://www.techspot.com/review/2940-intel-...-b580-rereview/

Is nvidia drop real? Well yes... vs Radeons. But see
AMD lost 5 FPS
Nvidia lost 10 FPS
ARC BMG lost 20 FPS

Mind you that video was making a point of Nvidia vs Radeons. Nvidia GPUS scales relative similarly when going down the CPU ladder. Meanwhile the main issue that is hot and that fanbois trying to deflect is BMG is killing itself with slower & older CPUS.

It is B580 (with 9800x3d) vs B580 (with 5600) !

And here a damning verdict from Techspot/HUB "Anything slower than the Ryzen 5 5600, and the recommendation shifts firmly to a Radeon or GeForce GPU instead. For the Arc B580 to maintain the excitement we initially had for it, it really needs to be paired with a Ryzen 5 7600, Core i5-13600K, or a better CPU."

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 14 2025, 03:32 PM

anyone know if they are bringing this into malaysia?

Someone is more like taking every possible opportunities to offensively attacking others than simply discuss about the ARC B580 overhead issue, I wonder why keep showing up here if he/she so hate the card in the first place ?? Why not just go to your Nvidia or AMD fanboy page ??

By the way here is another video talking about Nvidia RTX 4000 overhead issue, Yes RTX 4000 series. So are we all going to ban RTX 4000 series now ?? Keep in mind ARC B580 only a 2nd gen Intel GPU, they will improve. No need to be so dramatic. Intel didn't force anyone to buy the ARC B580.

Again, skip it if you are using low end CPU otherwise everything should be fine if the price is right. Why the hate ??

The card is still not available in the market and that can be a good thing for anyone who interested to learn more about it before decide.

LOL someone thinks imma fanboi? I guess you arent here long enough to see that I whack all of them when they are bad but reco certain ones when they are value for money.

Fanboi like to bring up the earlier positive reviews from influencers about B580 but now turn around cannot accept their rereviews and damning verdict? LOL selective much? But i guess thats what fanbois do.

Want to whack 4000series? Go ahead, Nvidia last good value was the ori releases of 3000series. Everything after was overpriced crap and barely better than previous gen w/o relying on cheats like FG.

Want to use a review with mere 15 game comparison to say Nvidia overhead is no big deal? Try TS/HUB 50 games comparo, yes 5-0. Lima puloh. Bigger data wins. The overhead is real, just not as crap as Arc.

Think imma AMD fanboi? You mean you liked that AMD Msia is smoking something strong thinking their GPUs are hot selling shits and price them the same as Nvidia when globally their MSRP is priced one tier below each Nvidia segment? You like paying local overprices for Radeons? Haha.

Budget buyers dont have much recourse if they made a mistake buying the wrong thing and I try to help them making proper choice when they have all the info. If you think imma fanboi well too bad for you.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 14 2025, 10:38 PM

For now wait and see if Intel can fix this overhead issue, but then again Intel isnt as strong in the soft side as they do on the hardware level. Think Spectre & Meltdown firmware hole and the crippling loss after patching, think the 3 (so far!) bios releases in 1 month to stop 13/14Gen CPU degradation, think Arc driver bugs for some AAA games to crash on Day1, think driver overhead of today. Imma not confident Intel can solve it anytime soonish.

Singapore has a ton of B580s... problem is the price is more or less the same as those RTX4060s that's sold locally... though the advantage the B580 has is VRAM and 1440p performance. Historically ARC GPUs are not great running games that are still on DirectX 11 API, but DX12, 12 Ultimate and Vulkan run more pretty stable (according to reviews). Intel knew about the shortcomings and will try to fix em. 'Sides, Battlemage at this point is just weeks old and we're seeing more improvements for it than Alchemist. Still, it doesn't give Nvidia any excuses to charge launch/pre-pandemic prices and potentially small AF VRAM sizes for the RTX40 and upcoming RTX50 Series.

For those who are still keeping a level head and not taken by all the shilling and later defensive tactics of fanbois, Chips & Cheese did a deep dive into the reason for Intel Arc poor driver overheads to try and find an explanation.

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/digging-into-d...rhead-on-intels

For those in the know, C&C reviews are deep end, real deep borderline on engineering discussion. Their other reviews on each CPU uarch merits, pros & cons are quite interesting if you want to know how your modern AMD/Intel CPU ticks.

Anyhow they tried to find where Arc BMG perf loss went, they kinda failed to find the silver bullet. In DX11 it seems Arc needs to interact with CPU a lot more than AMD in comparison, but their driver kernel is less efficient leading to said overhead loss. However DX12 & Vulkan overhead appears similar to AMD which doesnt explain the big losses when using older CPU.
Maybe its due to older CPUS are using older & slower data bus to GPU as compared to newer systems? When coupled with Arc poor CPU interface, it induces more lags into the process leading to bigger performance loss? Hmm...

not just slower bus, but architecturally not efficient and fast enough to handle all the instruction sets it got thrown at. System reviewers and benchmarkers using the R9 9800X3D as the "end all, be all" CPU to remove any and all bottlenecks is not the way to go. They should also include a mid-range CPUs like Ryzen 5/7 non X3D and Intel Core i5 KF Series. That way the graphs would be more or less in line what people can expect. Anyway, it's probably a little too late for folks like me but I will continue playing the long game and see how the 5060 performs come March/April. IF the price of said GPU be more or less the same as 4060 but has ~25% gain over it's predecessor, then I can consider it.

As I said many pages back, Intel is still new into the dGPU game, they need minimum 3 generations (up to Celestial) to even start be competitive and that if they can take their heads out of their arses but its still stick inside today so give it at least to 4th Gen (Dungeonmaster?). Nvidia & AMD(ATI) had decades to maturise their hardware to maximum optimisation levels. This on top of software/driver issues which Intel is famous for dragging their feet.

And when I point out these truths fanbois started defending LOL. Everyone threw logic out the window and yet the hard truth still comes back!

B570 dont seem to offer the same value deal as B580 as the price drop is too little vs perf drop. At the $220 MSRP its a no go

Market will fix it in 2 months time, $199 would be great. There will be no competition until RX 9040 / 9050 exists. NVIDIA has gotten too greedy to abandon this space.

The more concern is on the availability. TSMC has extremely high yield and I afraid there will not be many of the defect chips can be made into B570, unless Intel decided to commit highly into this market via forced handicap. Same can be found in AMD not really providing 4 cores chiplet in the low end segment, instead rely on making smaller SKUs like Phoenix 2.