I know it's a little early to say this but... I really want to get my hands on one, specifically the Limited Edition version of the card. Not gonna take those 3rd party ones. If anyone knows where to get it, please let me know. It'll be a big upgrade from my old RTX2060 6GB after waiting for more than 5 years.

Even u can get it, Intel limited edition
It would b over priced

For gpu that sit inside pc...
The design is not that important
Especially u are buying mid tier...

3070 to used.

Settled

It performs just a tad slightly lower than 3060Ti. A big improvement yes, but it wont knock your socks off riding that 2060.

As for getting LE. Dont hope on it, Msia market tends to be ignored by all these FE, MBA, LE direct sold by the brands themselves.

is there a reason why u dont want to buy Nvidia or Radeon?

what games you are planning to play?

playing games that are VRAM intensive, 3060 is too old to be considered as an upgrade, 3070 is way out of the budget range I'm considering (also an old gen card) If the LE variants is out of the picture, I might have to buy from Amazon or something... unless the price for non-LE B580s are on the same price range, then I **may** consider it.

For $249, NVIDIA/AMD has no competition.
RX7600 is too weak in RT, SS & FG.
RTX4060 only has 8GB VRAM.

If this come cheap, then I also would be interested to assemble a new pc. I have enough of the cousins dominating the GPU world.

No competition in the US

But rmbr we are not paying using USD

price wise the B580 12GB is around RM1100 after conversion, but it might be around RM1300 or less after tax and all that nonsense, which is still cheaper than the cheapest RTX4060 and RX7600 you can find. Reason I don't include the 4060Ti, 7600XT or the 7700XT is because of the price and the tiers they're on. Sure the B580 is gapping them but those cards are well over RM2k, making the next tier; the RTX4070 and RX7800 a more sensible choice to pick. That said, my budget range is where the B580 is sitting on, so that's the card I'm getting for the holiday season.

This post has been edited by Tsuki91: Dec 13 2024, 05:11 PM

Same story for NVIDIA/AMD.

Hold you cash for little while. Guess we will only see it in very limited supply next month.


This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Dec 13 2024, 05:16 PM

hopefully I can get one when the time is right. If not, I can call in some help in getting one.

This post has been edited by Tsuki91: Dec 13 2024, 05:35 PM

I may be wrong but realistically dont expect to get from local distros at RM 1300 your hoping it to be. Expect closer to 1500 or around whichever pricepoint 4060/7600 to be.

in malaysia the price always become way higher

6800

Still can get

We'll probably see Sparkle and Asrock versions for Intel Arc B580. Estimated price RM1400.

if b580 is price around 1300-1500 then not worth too much for 1080p gaming lo

Have you checked the prices of hardware and how much our currency drop these days? RM 1500 is par for the course for 1080 medium.

Man. My hand itchy for this even though i have a better GPU.

Even though its on par or better than 3060ti, it's way more efficient than 3060ti and 3070, making the card run cooler and quiet.

Don't buy 3070, 8gb is not enough for some games as windows background already took 1GB vram, even more when you want to run multi monitor setup. B580 is the best choice if you can get it around its MSRP.

As for the card edition, I won't recommend you to get LE:
1. Even though the shroud and looks are premium, it's heavy and fingerprint magnet.

2. They run hotter than 3rd party ones.

3. They are more expensive.

3rd party ones like Asrock are superior to the LE, aside from the premium packing and the shroud.

I had A750 for a year and their driver has improved a lot, rarely encounter any in-game bug. So now B580 surface means intel going to start gaining marketshare from AMD Nvidia, my prediction is that Intel should surpasses AMD in a few years, if RX8000 series not ground breaking.

This post has been edited by yiidonger: Dec 16 2024, 09:36 PM

And if Intel BOD doesnt give up yet on the money losing side of the business... they ady sacked both the Arc main benefactors and if BM doesnt gain marketshare its baibai for C gen.

Which it would for sure, if RX8000 is not ground breaking. Intel BOD is pathetic and retarded, its not surprised that they are doing stupid things and will be doing stupid things. Long term Intel is going to win.

This post has been edited by yiidonger: Dec 16 2024, 10:26 PM

TSMC chips getting too expensive as well. Everyone is using TSMC causing shortage. Hope Intel 18A chips comes out soon.

Will it? I dont think so even if 8600 isnt ground breaking whatsoever. Look at the chart here;



B580 is ave 8 FPS more than 7600
7600 is gen-on-gen 19 FPS more than 6600

If 8600 were to keep the same gen-on-gen 20 FPS uplift over 7600 as it did with 6600 that would put it WELL OVER the B580 ady, I would say landing it somewhere in 4060TI range.

In such scenario, budget gamers would like choose 8600 over B580 for simply AMD much more mature software drivers support over Intel. Having Day 1 stability issues on AAA game like BMW is a big red flag to casual gamers who just want to plonk the new GPU in and start gaming.

Really its not the next hot thing and I dont see BMG gen a best seller that would easily convince Intel BOD. Pathetic and retarded as they are, their after short term profits for angry investors and if BMG aint it, Celestial might just die on the drawing board.

However if C gen does come out, a 'C580' would need to score at least 20 FPS over 8600 to keep pace with the next gen 9600 later. That would be the gen-on-gen uplift that Arc needs to target to be competitive.

Not just that, BMG gen is also a big chip in comparison to 4060/7600 die size. So not only is TSMC scalping chip market, Intel oso dont have silicon price parity with Nvidia/AMD basically i see Intel is gonna lose money as well for BMG gen. Intel might recoup a portion of that loss if they could switch mid-gen to 18A but its rare for such huge manufacturing shift within the same generation. I see it Intel would realistically start use 18A for C gen... if Arc will survive Intel BOD.

Gotta ask; is the ASRock Arc B580 Challenger a decent card to consider?

Depends on what you define by decent.

I see it a basic 2 slot, 2 fan card for 190W GPU. Very similar to 3060Ti which can hit 80+ C at full gaming load. Nothing to worry about here but your likely to hear the fan noise if the PC is table height close to you.
A 3 fan version like Sparkle Titan wont significantly improve cooling or increase OCing, but the fans will spin slower so will not sound as loud.

As long as you game with earsets and dont mind the noise, its a 'decent' card.

B580 despite being a 190W card, but only uses around 110w in most of the games. its better than RX7600 in almost every aspect : price, raw performance, power efficiency, vram size, ray tracing, etc. In ray tracing, AMD is so far behind. Intel XeSS is also slight better than DLSS. There will be small amount of games the performance are same or less, but more ppl buying the card means intel will trying harder on fixing bugs.

This post has been edited by yiidonger: Dec 19 2024, 04:52 AM

at the very least, Intel is doing their best to squash some bugs and adding support for their new Battlemage GPUs. That said, I'll play the waiting game again when January rolls in. Hopefully I'm not late for it.

What u meant by decent card? It's a steal if you could get it around its msrp. The card is just too good at that price. But problem is, could u even get it that price? It look like a paper launch because the card is expensive to be produced because it had a bigger die size than 4060/7600, just slightly smaller die size than 4070S, but with that die size the performance is only slightly better than 4060 u know wat i mean.

This post has been edited by yiidonger: Dec 19 2024, 09:11 PM

I used to like Intel graphics for different reason. When i was young, era 2010s, i used to play lot's games on INtel IGP.
Despite being not known for gaming, being just igp and smhow playable fps(that time lepas 30-40fps, 800x600, hoooray la, jnji no lag haha), the graphics still didn't look too terrible.
SO, i do trust their software optimization and support a lot.
If u experienced both sides(igp n Dgpu), should be amazed what that lil igp can do for wat it was.
That's why i didn't like AMD when their software optimization usED to suck, for being gaming oriented.


BUt, this time, personally, i don't like that 190 watt, especially Rm1000 gpu often sold with crappy coolers nowdays, not based on tdp.
Sapphire rx 570(138w), for exmple have way heftier cooler thn rtx 3050(130w, but some don't hv heat pipe, or maybe just 1) released on later years.

190w vs 115w of 4060. That's higher by 60%, though performance difference isn't even close to 60% and present with issues also, lepas beli, it's gamble.
Rmmber, this is a newly released gpu, not like comparing slightly faster old gen 3070(220w) with 4060 ti(170w).
Only slightly cheaper kot.

For budget users, that tdp matters.
Anything close 200, gonna need more than basic ventilation, so, for people using budget level PSU(higher load + more hot air from gpu inside casing), casing(better vents + air flow path) and fans(more, or bigger or louder), spends more, and end up spending same like Rtx 4060, but with more dust maintenance,,
or, be fine with running comparatively higheer temperature.
But we live hot country, and people should have device last as long as they can. Soo,, temperature it is.

Again, if mere 20-w to 40 watt pun ok la. but, 70watts, hmm.
even RTX 4070 is only 200 watt.


Mehh, it's just being over hyped i feel.
Marketing nowdays is to appear like saviour.

This post has been edited by hdbjhn2: Dec 20 2024, 02:15 PM

another person who didn't watch the review

Take it easy, there is still B570 that performs on par with RTX4060 and should be much better in 0.1% lows. 150W if you care.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Dec 20 2024, 06:20 PM

Its just a midrange GPU not a 4090 killer with 4070 pricetag. Relax when people have different opinion, as its not a clear cut king

What kind of question is this ?? For "only" USD249 and 12GB VRAM back with convincing performance this Intel ARC B580 is no doubt the only GPU that every 1080P gamer should buy right now.

with local tax and price gauging due to popularity... I don't expect it will be reasonably priced.

I'm might finally pull the trigger for Intel B580, replacing my dying RX580. Any hope for official local distributor for Intel GPUs?

really? i thought it was more around 4060Ti or there about.

anyway, i am still reading up about this card...

It will give you about 47% better uplift


Or to put in another way, at the time of launch the 3060TI had a bigger perf margin over your 2060

Its coming for sure, even Myway is putting into his SI build reco but your most likely to get AIB versions and not LE.

Also due to Xmas, current stocks global shortage and whats available are overpriced. In Msia expect the usual markups as the retailers here are gonna take a look at relative performance to nvidia/AMD offerings and price the B580 accordingly, fighting with 7600XT / 4060TI 8GB which will make Battlemage a nonsensical option for most people as its USA MSRP price advantage goes down the drain and if so I would still reco nvidia/AMD just for the less buggy drivers and Day 1 game support ready for you to play without fuss.

ayam look c in the end still 6600 je

tjis gooding for those from 1650 / 580 upward

other than that, 60fps 1080p cukup makan

All I can say is after my warnings, if buyers still insist to get Battlemage whichever tier later, please do share your experience and if any workarounds on bugs and fixes.

Intel ARC B580 is highly praised by EVERY GPU tech reviewer and is now the only GPU they recommended for 1080p gaming & I can't find any video talking about any bug using the ARC B580 so what the heck are you talking about ??

I say only moron will still go RTX 4060 or RX 7600 over ARC B580 consider their relatively price vs performance plus the 12GB VRAM.

Make yourself more knowledgeable before you show your foolishness


https://www.techspot.com/review/2935-intel-arc-b580/

Massively popular AAA games that was release months ago shouldnt have been facing playing issues on Day 1, never heard of nvidia or AMD could fail this bad. Casual gamers would rather not deal with bugs and just play. Whats the point of having a Mustang vs a Kancil when that Mustang keeps breaking down? It has to work without fuss firstly. If it cannot take you from point A to B whats the point of being technically faster?

See the caveat why its highly praised, they all want Intel to succeed and give competition but have you ever ask yourself if it was so gooddamn good why isnt it their new daily driver card hmm? Bcoz at the end of the day they still stick with Nvidia. LOL!

You keep talking about ARC B580 bugs on gaming so pls show me at least one link where the reviewer mention about ARC B580 bug ?? Show me.

By the way Nvidia still own the market is because their superior performance on CUDA related productivity and AI performance which AMD & Intel can't match at this very moment but I like to remind you that we are simply comparing 1080p gaming because looks like some moron actually very much losing the point here and ARC B580 is the way to go. At the moment you are the only genius on the planet who disagree to this. Good job.

By the way while the stock ARC B580 already beat RTX 4060 & RX 7600 in most scenarios it actually can be overclock for another 10-20% performance gain according to reviewers but obviously some blind and clueless moron didn't realize or choose to ignore that.

"its highly praised simply because they all want Intel to succeed and give competition" ?? WTF ?? I wonder why not they do the same to RTX 4060 or RX 7600 err ??

Again, show me any link mention about ARC B580 bug or you better just stfu if you can't & i won't reply again without any link. It's pointless, you are just a waste of time. You hv no hacking idea what you talking about. Go buy RTX 4060 or RX 7600 as much as you like. I rather to be a fool and enjoy the ARC B580.

Something to mention before I forgot about the review link that you share, that's a first day review but already score 90 point with the title "Best Value GPU" not "Best Value GPU?? "and the comments are very positive so what's the argument here really ?? Are you trying to make yourself a joke or what ??

Now already 2 weeks past and where is the bug review ?? I just can't find not even one. Help me pls.


This post has been edited by bluecat68: Dec 29 2024, 09:40 PM

RDR also has a driver issue

Timeskip to 17.10

Intel Arc having Day1 driver issues with even mainstream games is a big killer, whatmore for obscure or even indie games. Like has anyone tried Arc on Genshin? Or Honkai Star Rail?

And whether some fool wants to accept the truth or not its their problem. Budget gamers who dont have much money only has 1 option from either Nvidia, AMD or Intel, so making the most wise & safest choice coz to get another GPU will be a costly mistake.

16:56 Pretty good all around for this what I'm going to call the new mainstream king (I think he mean 1080p or some 1440p but definitely not 4K)

17:03 No explicitly obvious driver issues during today's tests in those older games either (meaning no issue at all with newer games except RDR2 but that's just one game)

17:41 Yeah the ARC B580 really good card I've really enjoy my time with it so far

Again that's only the 1st day review with over 1K very positive comments and no doubt the card performance will get better & better just like their 1st gen so what's your problem exactly ??

Sorry I can't help to reply on this but I think that's really enough. No point to keep arguing something in case like this in the first place. Have a good night.

Intel Arc B580 may last another generation too. RTX 5060 looks like a fail. Only waiting for AMD now and see whats in store from them.

Reviewers everywhere also rated 9800x3d very highly too, but in reality its only that high in gaming. Otherwise its dogshit for workflow usage and general purpose (high idle power use vs Intel).

Some people are taken by influencers, I geddit, their waterfishes.

But people should make their own decisions after having all the facts and not just easily listen to others. I not say BMG is bad but it needs a lot more work to make it good for users, and nobody can predict the future how it will turn out.

And if Intel fanbois wanna show their fanboyism here well the internet is free no?

xx60 family kinda fail since 4060 but since nvidia focus more on higher end its not like they care. Less lower tier GPU sales meant more silicon allo for their AI processor which has skyhigh margin over lower GPU segments.

Nvidia share go sky high after developing AI and it's easy to understand that they already give all in on that consider gaming market never bring them this kind of profit so Nvidia GPU is not primarily design & market for gaming anymore as targeting AI tech and productivity related customer and enterprise make them even more money so average budget gamer can forget about Nvidia until AMD or Intel finally catch up.

By the way, you don't need a USD 1000 - 2000 GPU to play any game, it's good if you can afford it otherwise just grab whatever you can and live with it.

RTX5060's specs is basically near-identical with the RTX4060, only difference is GDDR7 VRAM. In the words of Steve of GamersNexus; "it's a waste of sand". With rumored launch around March 2025, price wise (in USD) might be at $350, which is gonna be like RM1600 after all the tax, conversions etc taken into account. Still gonna be more expensive and probably inferior to the ARC B580 and I hope it stays that way.

This post has been edited by Tsuki91: Dec 30 2024, 03:53 PM

People tend to forget that GPU are more than the sum of their parts now. AMD historically had better hardware/per dollar than nvidia in each segment (except 4090) but market still go towards nvidia due to their better software stacks for RT, DLSS, streaming, shadowplay, and now FG, all which AMD are playing catchup and yet still buggy as hell.

Yes playing games is as much software as it is hardware and nvidia knew to make that switch years ago. Having top notch software & drivers that, in Jensen words: "it just works" is arguably the more impactful to user experience than having inferior hardware.

Well, it is already well known that 60 is crap due to 10-15% increase generation to generation. However it is still a cheaper upgrade for those from 10 years ago like me who was on HD4850. The RTX4050 mobile is a huge improvement which is enough for my son to game with his friends.

Sparkle Arc A380 6GB Genie Low Profile Genshin Impact test.


1920x1080 High:


This post has been edited by TristanX: Dec 31 2024, 12:36 AM

No FPS or frametime graph chart kinda useless to tell how well it performs or frame lags.

Its useless when you are blind. Do you know how painful it is to get recording working for this game? Oh, OSD is on and still not getting recorded.

After spending time tuning 3 apps finally getting it to work. Recording this one isn't easy.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Dec 31 2024, 12:36 AM

I only take comments with hard figures seriously. And youtube will skewer gameplay vids, esp high FPS.

Good luck waiting for rare and hard to make ones.

Intel Arc B580 - 45 Games Tested in 2025 - 1440p for anyone who interested (not my video)



This post has been edited by bluecat68: Dec 31 2024, 09:47 AM

or this, which is more relevant: Intel Arc B580 : Test in 25 Games at 1080p



This post has been edited by bluecat68: Dec 31 2024, 09:59 AM

Refer to Asrock Intel B580 Link, seems they have it in store. Perhaps you may contact the local distributor as follows :

Why no use windows built in recorder? I know quality is blur, but can record overlay MSI stat

Is their walk in price cheaper than say Low Yat Plaza or Shopee ??

If its not popular to be posted does it mean its not going to be popular for obscure games? Point to ponder for those players then.

These are distros. They wont sell you direct unless your buying in boxes of say hundreds.

Well,, rasa bosan laa loll,, B570 lower power consumption but also, 10gb, lesser cores. priced? performnce same or slight better or wrse or mixed?
stability? have to think. Feels less attrctive.
If b580 is released at price bracket like 4060, then i'm really sold. Will finally upgrade.
Cause, while watching recent reviews, i saw the power consumptions were only slightly(10-20watt) more
then 4060.

But i'm in no way gonna buy the card simply cause 12gb. That's just basic generational leap that should been there anyway.
Just cause Nvidia tried to make vram a premium thing, now Intel looks too good.

But till now, Shopee tkde. I fear, just like other Intel products(A7 series, ssd, OPtane memory), it gonna be barely available and prices just meehh.

Let's not get hopes high.

This post has been edited by hdbjhn2: Dec 31 2024, 08:19 PM

Read la brader, that's exactly what i was saying. Don't buta2 follow reviews. U think reviews always cover a product good engh?
I owned products where in reality there were catches, things that really mattered, but no reviews covered it or touched it.
But when i google it, randomly there will be people with same problem on forums, whch nowdays harder to find cause google search mechanism only shows
automated webpages that only buta2 promotes the specs.

Mybe i haven't watch all reviews, i admit, but,, try to take it pinch of salt.
Reviewers seems to try pushing it a lot, cause, they also need to cari makan ma.
Relax, we are consumers, no wrong in questioning, we are not supporters of any cause.

This post has been edited by hdbjhn2: Dec 31 2024, 08:25 PM

Hopefully in a few days most of the shops bring in a few ARC B580s so I can start buying it.

Sparkle titan, intel arc B580

Exactly bro, but some folks are too caught up with the hype and being influenced by youtubers & influencers that they only spout all the good things but ignore all the bad things bcoz its not their money they try to convince people to part for Intel GPU. If these people actually spend their money to use Arc as their daily driver GPU for gaming & all use and not complain and secretly go back to Nvidia/AMD, then Im convinced lar.

Few days? Unlikely. Wait about til CNY as its sold out everywhere in Western nations except for some scalpy overpriced stocks.

But this round. Reviews are genuine. USD 250 for B580 12GB with more performance, 270 for RX 7600 8GB and 300 for RTX 4060 8GB. Unless you like to pay more for less, and SOMETIMES STUTTER ON GAMES THAT WANTS MORE THAN 8GB! or POOR LOOKING GAME DUE TO OUT OF VRAM! Intel drivers improved a lot comparing to gen 1 launch as well.



This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 1 2025, 04:26 PM

Right. Its the same shill we heard about AMD 6000series & 7000series, yet the market speaks differently. Lets see how this round will turn out.

Of course those reviews are genuine especially Hardware Unboxed and GamerNexus, basically the rating for ARC B580 is overwhelming positive from simply every reviewer and you don't see that kind of response happen on RX 7600 / RTX 4060 / Intel 1st gen but hater gonna hate so why bother to explain ??

By the way don't expect ARC B580 capable to beat RTX 4060 in just every aspect, win some lose some actually but for a 2nd gen gpu and considering the price & VRAM capacity it's basically a no brainer and so far I see no one complain about driver issue yet. So all is looking very good about this GPU.

This post has been edited by bluecat68: Jan 2 2025, 03:11 AM

Fresh uploaded ARC B580 video from Hardware Unboxed and it's a bad news for entry level gamer who still using low budget CPU like Ryzen 5 2600, such issue happened on Geforce GPU too and at this very moment not sure if it can be fix by driver update or not, will have to wait and see what Intel going to say or do about it.

Have a look.

The original finding was here


I will repeat this as expected... its the software stack. For older & new lower end budget builders (ironically the segment that B580 is targeting) its advisable to wait until Intel gets it right. But it may never happen too (Nvidia never resolve their driver higher overhead issues but it was never this bad either).

Lets see how the fanbois try to deny this

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 4 2025, 09:06 AM

I got a feeling resizeable bar not working properly. It was not intended for CPUs that old (no resizeable bar [or AMD SAM] until Ryzen 5000 + Radeon 6000 launch).

System requirements:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/sup...ics-family.html

From the box:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-ar...-preview/3.html

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 4 2025, 02:40 PM

Hardware Canucks (the discoverer of this bug) tested with 9600K & Z390 with Rebar ON & OFF both settings had this issue so its nothing to do with Rebar. Go watch their video.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 4 2025, 05:11 PM

Zen+ is too slow for games nowadays anyway. Rebar support is unknown since the official word from AMD is 3000 series and above.
Given how cheap Zen 3 these days, user could just get a 5600 (or 5500) as a drop in replacement.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jan 4 2025, 09:13 PM

I got a feeling B580 loves IPC. Maybe its time for Intel to reoptimize the driver base code. They spent too much time fixing game support.

Game support should still be the highest priority. If you check from the chart, even Zen 2 is bottlenecking 4060. So having current behavior is not a deal breaker.

The HWUnboxed investigation about the CPU overhead is also why you should always review budget GPUs with right sized CPUs. I know many reviewers use high end CPUs to reduce as much bottlenecks as possible, but no one will ever use something like a 9800X3D with a USD250 GPU

One key takeaway from the video; it also effectively defeats the point of this budget GPU outside of new builds, as you will need to spend extra on a faster CPU (both AMD/Nvidia drivers have much less driver overhead). It even hurts certain Intel platform owners more as they will be required to spend not an insignificant sum of money for a complete platform upgrade to take full advantage of the GPU

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Jan 5 2025, 07:54 AM

This is bad news for budget gamers. GPU pricing is getting ridiculous and the market needs a budget GPU win. TSMC, Nvidia and AMD causing high prices. On top of the price, we are still getting 8GB. Intel throwing price could help lower the prices. Hope Intel fixes the problem fast.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 5 2025, 08:32 AM

More often than not most people dont upgrade CPU as they dont "feel" the performance difference. This unlike a GPU upgrade where games can go from unplayable to smooth FPS.

For these people upgrading an older system, a Nvidia or AMD GPU (esp AMD) will have less overhead limitations.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 5 2025, 04:20 PM

Such testing methodology isnt wrong per se as it removes the CPU equation from being a limiting factor thus what they want to show is a clear FPS difference. ie if using a 9800x3d you might be able to see a 10FPS difference from a rival but if using say 12400F this will drop to 1-2 FPS and you might go "Meh..." and buys overpriced nvidias

Ideally, reviewers should be doing 2 type of tests; a high end 9800x3d test to show a clear FPS difference and a older/lower end system for budget GPU to show real world scenario where these are likely to be used. However such a test will degenerate into a "buy whichever model is the cheapest in your region/country" which doesnt help them to push certain narrative (go AMD! go Arc! anti-nvidia!).

Well there is actually difference even in javascript execution. I went from Zen 2 > Zen 3 > Zen 5, all upgrades enhanced the web site loading by noticeable margin thanks for the wide use of client side rendering these days. Zen+ is really laggy especially in Electron apps due to low single threaded performance.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jan 5 2025, 05:18 PM

Truth be told, hardware reviewers should AT LEAST use a mid-range CPU (e.g Intel Core i5 Series or AMD Ryzen 5 Series) for GPUs below $400 range so those who's PC is more or less the same range can expect what they're getting. CPUs like the 9800X3D should be reserved for GPUs above the $400 range imo.

You have specific use case where 90% users wont find. Most wont notice a lag of up to 4 secs more where your difference between CPU and even those do wont be too bothered.

Yes and no. As I explained above you wont be too picky where its a 1-2 FPS but it wont do for a review as the diff isnt clear cut then. Its like comparing 2 olympic runners raw speed after removing all equipment difference between both as you want to know who is actually faster.

or some youtuber like this, rarely got ppl testing low end cpu with good gpu

Incorrect. Companies have been pushing web "native" app to everywhere.
Teams, Skype, Discord, Spotify are all using javascript as UI.
Driver software like NVIDIA Geforce Experience, ASUS Framework, WD Dashboards, are javascript too. You can find people ranting about the high CPU usage on the NodeJS process, not so for CEF.
Feeling slow with your Windows 11 start menu? It is javascript!

Javascript is notoriously inefficient and only single threaded.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jan 6 2025, 11:11 AM

Again yes and no. Not everything uses javascript and high CPU usage isnt something 'regular' PC users would notice other than CPU fan ramping up louder. They might notice certain background programs runs a bit slower when loading too many things ongoing but generally people wont understand what is a 'NodeJS' to care about a few more secs delay to warrant a CPU upgrade.

And Win11 is sluggish becoz... its Win11, with all the unnecessary bells & whistles and AI and telemetry. Its been done to death why Win11 is a hog. I have dual boot Win10 & Win11 and regularly switch around and while I do 'feel' a general sluggishness its not to a point I feel going back to Win10 permanently.

I find Windows 11 runs best with a local account, since it doesn't bug you each time about turning on backups, eats resources in the background, annoy you with Windows Updates etc.

Even with local acct, if your installing via the MS intended way you will still have lotsa telemetry stuff & other automated processes getting thru. If install via Rufus it will help to deactivate a lot of these or prevent them being installed. If use Tiny11 even less hog but Im not comfy with using modded OS.

FWIW Im running clean Win11Pro with all those turn off as much possible. Not sure if can do that on Win11Home tho.

EDIT: Actually if it asks you (like Win7/10), its a good thing as you got an option not to, but Win11 allows (without your ok) to run in background which pisses a lot of users.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 6 2025, 04:08 PM