How the J7 drive compare to X70?

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Reliable, engine g.box wise, yes. Many still running on the road but not in big cities. Reason I bought Forte back then was the specs were great & value for money. Sadly, the distributor got greedy & raise pricing after being popular. So pricing really does matter here.

Cheap plastic interior absolutely common in Japs CN B/C segment cars here. Or else how to sell cheap.

That's why, the better of the worse surprisingly is Proton X70. Interior plastic quality not as chekai as the rest. Only problem I have is the center console arm grip inside plastic melting (like conti) but its not a big concern for me as rarely use this grip. (see attached photo). Can get wrap for it but a bit Ah Beng.

True. Msian are very self conscious about looks, hence why this J7 is attractive. Range Rover looks, big center screen, sleek interior.

But the interior plastic quality is rather disappointing, the size eventhough C segment is smaller than X70 (interior size, boot space & wheel base). Have not driven J7 but doubt the NVH is as comfortable as older X70 (even my boss X5 NVH not as good).

One thing I have to give to Geely, is that they really know how to make the interior comfortable, from soft touch plastics, seats bolster & wrap around body, balance of seat hardness vs comfort, superior NVH, ok'ish ride & handling (its a damn SUV), good buttons tactile feel, thoughtful low level interior lighting at night ... Read somewhere long time ago, Geely has best interior design amongst all CN car manufacturers.

Problem is Proton isn't able to sell enough to justify new replacement model. Proton 1 year sales = CN Geely 1 month sales. How to justify investment needed for new replacement when sales soooo little. We Msian think like jaguh kampung, self importance but reality bites back when face with facts. Proton just cant get quick ROI with such a small market size. Some more we're RHD, conversion from LHD & low volume = increase cost.

This post has been edited by Lanchio: Oct 23 2024, 11:21 AM


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It is Vellfire rival yo, RM200k consider very cheap if same range with other full size MPV, get la commercial 11seats without much tax

The moment my mom climbed up the car with this handle, she immediately gave her approval for my sister to get X70. Very useful

1.6 petrol turbo

My household own few Japanese car from Toyota to Subaru. Most over 10 years of ownership, even tho cheap plastic but never really broken or brittle within even 15 years. FYI, most my rides all park under the sun.

Try ask X70 how many plastic door handle already broken? Some will claim it is design issue, here n that but in reality a lot cheap/lower range cars the plastics are not design to last long. This is what ex-cherry owners fear as i personally knew 1 after 5 years door panel, handle and a lot of plastic parts can break anytime until he give up and sold it with superglue fix.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Oct 23 2024, 01:44 PM

maybe the look of the car and price successfully attract ppl kut... but looking at their soon to launch hybrid j7, tiba2, the price increase 30-40k? wtf... msia ada charge lebih tax on hybrid oh

How ah? Honda donno how to assemble car properly.

FOMO syndrome especially

u see in this forum enough lah, all hype EV EV EV then kena brainwashed " eh not bad also eh this EV " then proceed to buy

lulz

it is pretty normal for SUV actually

i think most jepunis and korea one dont have still.

CR-V and CX-5 definitely didn't have the last time I went to view.

Herd mentality.

That stupid X70 arm rest after 3 years, the rubber melts and starts to get sticky.

So much for tactile looks.

Why need to sell 1 yr sales?

Geely's already got that 4 pot newest model they launched early this year at Beijing motor show, why can't they bring it in? I suppose the issue is that Proton invested to much in that X70 CKD line in Tg Malim, to change it to fit to Geely's newest Boyue.

My household have T/H/Lexus/Merc/BMW/P1/P2. Have given up on the quality of plastic in any brand nowadays. Every company cutting cost & using green as excuse. Don't revere the Japs Germans much, they're both guilty in lowering costs to increase profit margins. Call me old but I remember a time when parts quality was damn decent. Like using aluminum impellers instead of plastic for water pump, or not using biodegradable plastics for wiring harness. As for my X70, maybe the CBU plastic door handle quality better? So far, 5 yrs 9 months still ok (touch wood).

Yup, Proton invested too much in the factory, the 3cyl engine, the moulds for X Series, the spare parts, the manufacturing contract with local suppliers etc. Notice how they're quietly want to phase out the 1.8 turbo & push the 1.5 3 cyl turbo engine. Invested 100℅ & want to maximize it. This Face lift, they could have gone 1.5 turbo hybrid (like X90) but somehow did not. I really wonder why? Sometimes, I get the feeling Pinoys get the better models (due to LHD) & specs.

This post has been edited by Lanchio: Oct 23 2024, 03:51 PM

I dun understand geely's logic.

maybe it was too late for X70

but for x50 and x90 and s70, geely should have brought in their 4 pot technology, but stood for the 3 pot ones instead for Proton's Tg Malim CKD line.

It just goes to show how selfish they are, just want to push the old stock parts to clear off at proton first.

this is what arrogance begets. They thought they could dominate msia market, they didn't think that PMX would have allowed so many China OEMs to come here.

Maybe someone boast 3 pot can save fuel, but not make a difference for X70 pun.

Some more, 3 cylinder, 2 go up 1 go down...puts unnecessary strain on the toot toot, don't want to say lah.

This post has been edited by hoonanoo: Oct 23 2024, 03:53 PM

It's not expensive right ? Below RM 150k

Lets take the technical pro-con of 3 pot vs 4 pot out of the equation.

Its all about biz & money.

At that time (2019/20) the 3 pot was the most hyped (Volvo was also using) & P1 took this as the one engine to rule them all. Using 1 prime engine makes biz sense. From TGDI to NA, lots of common parts. Reducing cost. Bear in mind, biggest cost in car manufacturing is drive train (engine + g.box).

Mana tau, 3 cyl not popular in CN. But in west, 3 cyl rather acceptable.

So P1 already invested so much, got to continue use lah.

As for the vibration, timing belt, faster engine mounting wear .... we Msian are a bunch of complainers, jaguh kampung who are followers, bending with the wind. In short, nothing will please us. We want cheap cheap, good good, last forever barang. Nothing will fully satisfy our big ego, small pocket.

Sorry for the rant. Anyways, Proton is now stuck with this 3 pot. IMO, the only way to save it is to go hybrid (like X90) as there is now a gap between ICE & EV. Not everyone can go EV & hybrid is the mid point. That's the only way to save this investment.

Top selling point = NOT CVT. This car is using DCT.

nufsaid

4AT is better and more reliable.

case in point: Xpander