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hoonanoo
post Oct 23 2024, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Oct 23 2024, 12:17 AM)
Seeing increasing number Jaecoo cars... Ada apa2 rahsia ka?
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I also notice lately

mati lor Protong.

So many ex potong staff already migrated to jaeco.

4 cylinder car, apple/google play if got...Protong X90 can say sayonara wor

some more Jaeco design nicer.

Jaeco belongs to Cheri
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post Oct 23 2024, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Oct 23 2024, 11:16 AM)
Reliable, engine g.box wise, yes. Many still running on the road but not in big cities. Reason I bought Forte back then  was the specs were great & value for money. Sadly, the distributor got greedy & raise pricing after being popular. So pricing really does matter here.
Cheap plastic interior absolutely common in Japs CN B/C segment cars here. Or else how to sell cheap.

That's why, the better of the worse surprisingly is Proton X70. Interior plastic quality not as chekai as the rest. Only problem I have is the center console arm grip inside plastic melting (like conti) but its not a big concern for me as rarely use this grip. (see attached photo). Can get wrap for it but a bit Ah Beng.
True. Msian are very self conscious about looks, hence why this J7 is attractive. Range Rover looks, big center screen, sleek interior.

But the interior plastic quality is rather disappointing, the size eventhough C segment is smaller than X70 (interior size, boot space & wheel base). Have not driven J7 but doubt the NVH is as comfortable as older X70 (even my boss X5 NVH not as good).

One thing I have to give to Geely, is that they really know how to make the interior comfortable, from soft touch plastics, seats bolster & wrap around body, balance of seat hardness vs comfort, superior NVH, ok'ish ride & handling (its a damn SUV), good buttons tactile feel, thoughtful low level interior lighting at night ... Read somewhere long time ago, Geely has best interior design amongst all CN car manufacturers.

Problem is Proton isn't able to sell enough to justify new replacement model. Proton 1 year sales = CN Geely 1 month sales. How to justify investment needed for new replacement when sales soooo little. We Msian think like jaguh kampung, self importance but reality bites back when face with facts. Proton just cant get quick ROI with such a small market size. Some more we're RHD,  conversion from LHD & low volume = increase cost.
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That stupid X70 arm rest after 3 years, the rubber melts and starts to get sticky.

So much for tactile looks.

Why need to sell 1 yr sales?

Geely's already got that 4 pot newest model they launched early this year at Beijing motor show, why can't they bring it in? I suppose the issue is that Proton invested to much in that X70 CKD line in Tg Malim, to change it to fit to Geely's newest Boyue.

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post Oct 23 2024, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Oct 23 2024, 03:45 PM)
Have given up on the quality of plastic in any brand nowadays. Every company cutting cost & using green as excuse. Don't revere the Japs Germans much, they're both guilty in lowering costs to increase profit margins. Call me old but I remember a time when parts quality was damn decent. Like using aluminum impellers instead of plastic for water pump. As for my X70, maybe the CBU plastic door handle quality better? So far, 5 yrs 9 months still ok (touch wood).
Yup, Proton invested too much in the factory, the 3cyl engine, the moulds for X Series, the spare parts, the manufacturing contract with local suppliers etc. Notice how they're quietly want to phase out the 1.8 turbo & push the 1.5 3 cyl turbo engine. Invested 100℅ & want to maximize it. This Face lift, they could have gone 1.5 turbo hybrid (like X90) but somehow did not. I really wonder why? Sometimes, I get the feeling Pinoys get the better models (due to LHD) & specs.
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I dun understand geely's logic.

maybe it was too late for X70

but for x50 and x90 and s70, geely should have brought in their 4 pot technology, but stood for the 3 pot ones instead for Proton's Tg Malim CKD line.

It just goes to show how selfish they are, just want to push the old stock parts to clear off at proton first.

this is what arrogance begets. They thought they could dominate msia market, they didn't think that PMX would have allowed so many China OEMs to come here.

Maybe someone boast 3 pot can save fuel, but not make a difference for X70 pun.

Some more, 3 cylinder, 2 go up 1 go down...puts unnecessary strain on the toot toot, don't want to say lah.

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post Oct 23 2024, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Oct 23 2024, 04:07 PM)
Lets take the technical pro-con of 3 pot vs 4 pot out of the equation.

Its all about biz & money.

At that time (2019/20) the 3 pot was the most hyped (Volvo was also using) & P1 took this as the one engine to rule them all. Using 1 prime engine makes biz sense. From TGDI to NA, lots of common parts. Reducing cost. Bear in mind, biggest cost in car manufacturing is drive train (engine + g.box).

Mana tau, 3 cyl not popular in CN. But in west, 3 cyl rather acceptable.

So P1 already invested so much, got to continue use lah.

As for the vibration, timing belt, faster engine mounting wear .... we Msian are a bunch of complainers, jaguh kampung who are followers, bending with the wind. In short, nothing will please us. We want cheap cheap, good good, last forever barang. Nothing will fully satisfy our big ego, small pocket.

Sorry for the rant. Anyways, Proton is now stuck with this 3 pot. IMO, the only way to save it is to go hybrid (like X90) as there is now a gap between ICE & EV. Not everyone can go EV & hybrid is the mid point. That's the only way to save this investment.
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I don't know when Geely changed from 3 pot to 4 pot. Probably back in 2020, Geely already know their stupid mounting bracket can't take the 1.8 + 3 pot engine. Still, they sell the CBU X70 to us to clear old stock. Still they went off with S70/X90/X50 3 pot.

So from here, I can tell its due to arrogance. They thought they could clear their old parts stock thinking that they will be 2nd behind perodua in Msia for eternal.

Mana tau, Madani brought in Cheri, Jaeco, etc.


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post Oct 23 2024, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(hollyweed @ Oct 23 2024, 04:13 PM)
3 pot is really for fuel saving bro.
x70 because the freaking car is big and heavy.

s70 x50 fuel consumption seems not that bad like x70
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first and foremost even with 3pot X70 is a blady gas guzzler.

secondly, wait till ur engine mounting bracket breaks without you knowing, and that will slowly wear down your transmission

thirdly, try to drive S70 3 pot engine, its noisy.

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post Oct 24 2024, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 23 2024, 07:35 PM)
Do you mean setup another assembly line for the 4 pot engine and pay additional royalties  to Geely for the 4 pot engine?
You think bring in new engine is free?
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hello?

did you read when I mentioned that when they set up X70 CKD line they realized this ?

Why they didn't rectify the decision for 4 pot when they started to set up CKD line for X50, X90 and S70 ????


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post Oct 24 2024, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 23 2024, 06:10 PM)
not to mentioned axia like handling

no joke bro

ccp car...soulless. all pretty bling bling from the outside, inside so hollow 0 soul
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Most CCP stuffs are like that

I rode CCP elevator, looks cool then after few years start to get cranky.

suddenly lift button not sensitive anymore sometimes press cannot sense.

even access card detection susah.

sometimes leave even open at a floor, that one did not press for.
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post Oct 24 2024, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 24 2024, 03:31 PM)
same thing like escalators

there is these two malls here in KV , their escalators forever rosak
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china products all hype only

they never last long one.

u can see the mentality of those china fellas working at protong.

of course, they do bring in improvement to the co, but just up to a stage only. They all work in silo.

otherwise how to explain why S70 came out without apple/google car play?
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post Oct 24 2024, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 24 2024, 03:33 PM)
that is shit yo

ford fiesta such a waste i tell you
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why waste?

was it really that good?
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post Oct 24 2024, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 24 2024, 03:44 PM)
CCP punya logic different from ours. ALL SHOW ALL GLITTERS JUST TO ATTRACT PPL TO BUY THEN GG

talking about S70

S70 sales kinda slow but not as slow as X90 ( model which I think should not launched here in MY )
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true all glitter.

also another CCP punya work culture is that they tend to value CABLE more important than capability and talent of the workers.

U can see at protong, so many frustrated talent have migrated to Jetour, Jaeco, Cheri, etc.

Why frustrated? because CCP at protong only promote their own CCP staffs and those very good shoe polisher. Not saying 100% of those who got promoted are good shoe polishers, some are capable, but a few bad apples, leave bad taste to those who worked their asses off for protong, finally made the decision to leave them.

I heard from numerous friends who work there, this kind of news.
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post Oct 24 2024, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 24 2024, 03:46 PM)
good handling car, at least for MK6

but gb, aircond mmg cb

wasted
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rear space also quite cb


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post Oct 24 2024, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Oct 24 2024, 03:50 PM)
indeed

not to mention that they see us ( anyone that is not CCP ) like we are second,third class citizen

imagine these foreigners who cari makan here see us liddat?
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well I suppose the other foreigners may do that too.

But protong is an entirely different matter, it appears to be like 200 over PRC staffs there.

they are coming here and taking in simple managerial functions, something like a local malaysian can do. Not those macam engineering and RnD expertise that Protong needs.

PRC tend to want to flood the companies they takeover with their own people. hmm.gif not sure if 200 expats are too many...

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 24 2024, 03:54 PM)
Sometimes weird why S70 sales poor recently? Foresee because Toyota and HM give cash rebates is one of it. As well as no AA and ACP stock
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I dunno the exact reason, but if you compare S70 with Honda City and Vios how much price difference?

I heard its like 4k, I don't check it myself, but if this is true, which car you rather want?

Also no apple and google car play !!!!!

3 pot?

I mean in all due respects its a nice car...B+ sedan a bit more spacious. The speed and pick up not bad. Fuel comsumption..hmmm ok lah. Handling also good, but if not for the noisy 3 pot on the highway. boot space quite big but I wished they did a hatchback version macam the volvo sedan.

But but....at that price??

In the old days with Preve so much cheaper, people just go for it. But when your price is so near to Honda and Toyota...I dunno lah.

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post Oct 24 2024, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Oct 24 2024, 03:58 PM)
This is typical cinapek culture yo... thumbsup.gif
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super cinapek
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post Oct 24 2024, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Oct 24 2024, 04:04 PM)
Yes...very cringe one...
example like, when got event, die2 must give big boss walk on red carpet and ask pretty women staffs stand on both side to clap hands..  brows.gif
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not the PRC fellas.

they just don't care about all this.

just make money until you die.
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post Oct 28 2024, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(gobiomani @ Oct 24 2024, 04:56 PM)
Ford Fiesta is an awesome car to drive, godly tier handling only bested by Ford Focus among mass market cars. 
I still have my Ford Fiesta, 12 years old already keeping as a spare car. Gearbox issues fixed under warranty. I had no aircond problems and the car has been very reliable except for the GB issues which were eventually fixed under warranty and broken door latch issue. Market value very low due to the perception of problems so I just keep for now.
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yea I test driven it before, very nice drive feel.

My only issue is the rear space, even for Ford Focus, I felt it is too small.
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QUOTE(gobiomani @ Oct 28 2024, 04:12 PM)
Yeah, they are both quite small due to this is the size that most Europeans prefer. When I was looking for a C segment car later on was also considering the Focus but decided to get the Cerato instead due to size and cheaper price. That was a very good decision coz the Cerato has been very reliable but I later found out that the Focus has many issues.
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Focus was well ahead of its time.

I didn't think Europeans prefer small cars, at one point I was driving a big VW passat.



 

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