I see.. I've been keeping to the left lane trying to get used to the wind. Haven't dared push the throttle yet but at 120km/h. I think the tension mostly comes from my lack of confidence as a new rider. I guess I have to go on more rides to acclimatize myself.

Ah, I don't dare overtake heavy vehicles unless I have a good healthy margin. Even driving my pickup truck also I can feel the 'turbulence' from these heavy vehicles sometimes. No joke.

I do tend to grip the handlebars tighter the faster I go. Bad habit, I know.. hahah. Been trying to grip the tank with my core and knees but somehow I don't feel secure enough especially when going fast. Definitely a 'skill + experience' issue. Or maybe installing rubber tank pads might help? Hmm

180+kmh on this bike? I remember when 40kmh seems fast to me just about a year ago. Let's aim for being comfortable at 120kmh first la since that's like the 'cruising standard' hadlaju kebangsaan

[quote=jaycee1,Sep 11 2025, 07:45 PM]
Wind is just something to get used to. In fact as I will explain later, it actually helps on some bikes to reduce fatigue.

I can ride all day sitting bolt upright at 130 on cruise control with no hands (not that I suggest you do). I'm also on a fast naked.

I've taken newer riders to Thailand and they are all spent by the end of the day. Exhausted and sore all over only after 500km. Big portion of it is being too stiff , not sitting correctly and overwhelmed by wind and stimulus. They just stress themselves out. It's not the bike, because we all ride the same exact model.

Learning to be relaxed on the bike takes time. Being loose is important for emergency evasive manoeuvres. Being physically relaxed gives you more mental alertness to spot dangers since you are not overwhelmed.

As for wind, leaning slightly forward and using the wind to support your upper body helps take the load off your arms..something your core and legs are supposed to do anyway. Work with what you are facing, not against it.

If you are in the PJ area, feel free to shoot me a PM for a meetup and I can give you some pointers. Tuition fees is a cup of teh tarik.


Me thinks the stimulus part might be true. Riding with and without earplugs, I feel myself feeling more vulnerable and 'sensitive' to speed when I'm without ear protection. And my helmet isn't exactly the most 'aerodynamic helmet' also la. It's an AXXIS Draken S. All the important safety features without the premium creature comforts. Hahah

I might just take you up on that 'bike lessons' as I work around PJ myself. And I'll do you one better, Teh Tarik + Makan but let me gain more 'time on the saddle' first la or your 'bike lessons' might be wasted on a newbie.

Went on a short ride with a friend and this chap was swinging his Z1000 around like it's nothing. It's like the wind doesn't affect him at all.. really shows the difference in skills and experience. I've racked up roughly 9,000km on the road and I still feel like I've just learn to ride seeing people like that.

Hahah, my wife did ask me about scooter. That's before I even heard of the term 'maxi scooter' or bigger CC scooters.

But I would still choose the bike because there's nothing like playing with the clutch and gears. It's a pain the ass, but once get used to it, it makes the commute more 'engaging' for me la.

Also agreed on the bike sounding right and feeling right at speed. My bike sounds like farts but once I twist the accelerator, the sound shifts which is something I really love. And the higher revs changes the tone of the exhaust for me as well. I just hope it's quite enough when going through road black that abang JPJ won't saman

On a separate note, so far all my roadblock experiences have been meh. The police always wave me through without letting me bring out my 'license'.. it's like, so much effort to take the test and license and you won't even look at it?

Are you on the 250RR or 650/R?

CBR650R is on my list of potential upgrades, but 99% of my bike riding is also done within Klang Valley, so I am not sure if it'd be any good when I already find the Ninja 400 annoying sometimes in the city.

Surely you would have ridden your Leoncino 250 at those speeds? I am surprised it sounded like a new experience to you.

The first ride after I got my bike from the shop, I rode it up to 150+kmh on my way home trying to find the top speed.

Motor seem less likely to be affected by turbulence cause by these truck seem because motor is narrow enough to cut through this wind when i overtake this truck but if i use car or van definitely can feel the push to sideway when overtake them due car/ van body bigger surface

Not exactly a new experience. Just that I've ridden my Leoncino at 110 - 120km/h before but never really got used to the feeling of going fast. Besides, on a 250cc, those speeds are already at the 'upper limit' of what the machine can do and the light weight + vibration does contribute to the insecurity i feel going at those speeds.

This post has been edited by JPlaSMaY666: Sep 14 2025, 09:43 AM

Haven't really had the chance to ride the bike next to a lorry yet because I haven't had the balls to do so without a healthy amount of space. Rather be safe than sorry la..

Think you're just not used to it. I used to ride 120-130 cruising on highway long distance for 2 hours straight, and it didn't require any technique at all, and I'm huge with an entry LS2 helmet so wind affects me a lot.

Your 600cc is gonna feel a lot more planted given the weight.

I just posted this in another thread, but i'll repost here because I feel its applicable.



A couple of tips.

1) Look further ahead - Looking further ahead give you more time to process what is going on and anticipate traffic situation
2) Learn proper riding position - Proper foot placements, being loose on the bars and supporting your weight with your core and legs will allow you to relax on a ride and make emergency maneuvers quicker and easier than if you are all locked in
3) Bike setup - All bikes will have some minimal adjustment possibilities. Don't be afraid to make adjustments for a more comfortable position that suits you as we are all built differently. Proper lever levels and positions will help in emergencies as well. Almost all bikes have clutch and brake levers in the incorrect position from the factory (ie, set too high).
4) Additonal training/riding - Go for a track day, go off road. Vary your riding experience. Know how your bike handles at the limit or at loose surfaces. Feel how the bike handles when things gets sketchy in a controlled safer environment. This will help you learn to work with the bike and not fight it, giving you more confidence and able to relax for longer rides reducing fatigue and increasing your safety margin.

These are basic fundamentals that I see a lot of newer riders (and some seasoned riders) fail to check off because either they werent informed for know better.

I used to be a advanced driving instructor (advanced safety and track driving), so these are what we teach students. Most of these skills can be applied both on 4 wheels and 2 wheels.



If you feel you are fighting the bike or the environment and getting tired or lack confidence, try to work on the above. I have only been back on the bike 4 years and I can tell you my progress is much faster than most riders because I understand the basics. Unfortunately, these are not in normal driving schools so many drivers and riders are left wanting.

All these will come with seat time. Some riders will take to it faster than others. But we all eventually get there.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Sep 18 2025, 10:23 AM

Bro, if you got no riding experience, jumping straight to bike above 500cc might not be a good idea. Even though I have a full B license, I still stick to my R25 for my daily commute and work.

What a life...just a weeks after your comment i have sold my mt07 and source a cbr600rr 2012 fully loaded....

C-ABS model, nice

interested to know, the 'fully loaded' specs? can share? or PM...
I'm a gear-head

No la...Kosong spec..

congrats!!
I think this is wet dreams come true

bila ride? hahaha
LC135 talk until now still haven't meet

Roger you when i go penang...hahha...i want to kacau that famous ZX636 abang...haha..also Aaron still around penang?

ok, PM yeah!! we plan ride or just meet oso can
the ZX636 fella, haha, more famous than Penang chakuehtiao...

yes, he is still around

Definitely more planted. I think I managed to creep up to 145km but that is as far as my 'balls' could take me. An improvement over the fear creeping up each time I hit 120km previously. Slowly but surely as I get used to the bike's handling.

I was initially worried the weight might be an issue but once the bike starts moving, I don't really feel it. Even during slow traffic, I've not had significant issues navigating around cars. The only real issue I had was heat which can be an issue even through my pants.

First thing I checked was the levers to make it line up with how I ride my bike which is ever so slightly downwards. Next I'll be looking towards adjusting/changing the stock foot pegs as it feels a little awkward for me. Would like to have it slightly lower to accommodate my longer legs.

Since getting more seat time, I've been a lot more relaxed around the handlebars. Gripping tank with the knees is still something I had to consciously tell myself but since the addition of tank grips, it just feels more natural doing so. Unconsciously though, I still find myself slowly gripping the bars tighter the faster I go.

And I've been keeping up with my slow speed maneuvers + figure 8 practice to get use to handling the bike at slower speeds. Clutch control is everything when riding the traffic everyday. I'm glad the motorcycle clutch wasn't as hard to learn but this could probably be me coming from manual transmission vehicles all my life.

Was nerve-wrecking the first 2 days of riding as I was still getting used to the bike but it was all good after that. Acclimatized a lot faster than I thought. I do appreciate the power on tap to overtake and get myself out of situations and cruising above 110 doesn't sound like I'm killing the engine

It's been slightly over a month with the upgrade, and I'm comfortable enough like I was on my 250 previously. Of course, loads to learn but then again, nothing more seat time wouldn't help with. I do ride every chance I get. Coming up to about 1 year since I started the thread and I've logged roughly 11,000km of seat time since starting out.