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 Thinking of getting an MT-07, Maintenance cost and issues?

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post Oct 12 2024, 07:12 PM, updated 2 months ago

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Hey kawans,

Here's the situation, I've been driving back and forth between my workplace and it's been taking a toll on me. Driving a manual kinda exacerbates the stress. I spend roughly 3.5 to 4 hours on average driving back and forth from work which is 60km in total back and forth.

I'm currently in the midst of getting a B full license with the idea of getting an MT07 to ease my commute. Hopefully I'll be able to cut down on the travel and perhaps find a little thrill and joy in the journey. Don't worry, I've already set aside the budget for a full face helmet, riding jacket and gloves. That said, if anyone has shop recommendations, I'm all ears. Would prefer a shop that can advise on helmet sizings with test fitting.

Would the sifus here be able to advise on the MT07? How is it in terms of maintenance cost and are there any issues I should be looking out for?

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post Oct 12 2024, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(jetblast @ Oct 12 2024, 07:30 PM)
Have you ridden bikes before? What is your skill level?
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Bicycles yes.... motorbikes, besides taking a friend's bike for a spin more than 20 years ago. no blush.gif
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post Oct 12 2024, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(jetblast @ Oct 12 2024, 07:47 PM)
Maybe you should start on a single like a ktm or dominar
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Would like to spend on one decent bike instead of buying and upgrading few months down. Besides, don't really like the looks of the Dominar or KTM dukes..

That's why I wanted to check on maintenance cost and if the MT07 has any issues I should be aware of smile.gif
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post Oct 12 2024, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(nate_nightroad @ Oct 12 2024, 08:18 PM)
Nearby cannot rent a place?
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I'm sure there are. But I do have 2 young kids who I would love to spend time with. Hence, living away from my family isn't really an option.
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post Oct 12 2024, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Oct 12 2024, 10:17 PM)
mt07 is a reliable platform, being a japanese bike and all.
maintenance shouldnt be that expensive (2 cylinders bike) even if you go full syntethic oil + oil filter change + labor at most would be RM300 every 5000km.

its not a beginner friendly bike but since you have experience driving manual car I think you'd have no problem picking it up.
make sure to buy the one with ABS and test ride it to see if you are comfortable with it.

you can also look at cheaper alternative like kawasaki z650, used with abs can be found under RM 20k unlike mt07 which is almost RM 30k
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Mind sharing why the MT07 is not a beginner friendly bike? Cause I was initially eye-ing the Z800 but asked to start on the MT07 as a beginner bike.

Ah, will look into the Z650 but from what I can see, it weighs almost as much as the MT07 yet offers less power. The z650 does have ABS though.
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post Oct 13 2024, 05:58 PM

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Thanks for all the advice and pointers. I really appreciate it! Nothing beats hearing it from a group of experienced veterans here. smile.gif

Didn't really consider maxi-scooters because I don't want to develop the habit of riding without the gear changing as I feel being able to ride with gears is an important part of the learning process when I step up to a bigger bike.

After much consideration.. I'll check in with a smaller and simpler bike just to get a feel of things before jumping into getting the MT-07. Heard some good things about the ER-6N as a 'throwaway starter bike'. Any thoughts on that? But I don't think that comes with ABS or TC though..
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post Oct 14 2024, 12:16 PM

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Wow! Thanks for all the pointers and tips shared. It's so much to process as I shift my mind away from the MT07 towards a beginner bike like the Z650 or ER6n.

Would be leaning towards the ER6N as I heard good things about it and to be honest, being an older bike, I wouldn't feel too bad about small mistakes and learning along the way. And it being significantly cheaper is a plus point.

@Kaellis thanks for sharing your experience on the service cost. Definitely within my ballpark expectations for a bigger bike.

That said, I've been hearing quite a bit about the Dominar as well. But I'm not too sure about the spare parts compared to the ER6N though. How would the maintenance and running cost for the Dominar 400 and ER6N differ? Which would be easier to find workshop and spareparts for?

Any thoughts, sifu sifu sekalian?
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post Oct 14 2024, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 14 2024, 12:47 PM)
Much was asked and many questions were answered about the dominar previously. Head over to the dominar thread and read the archives. Everything you need to know about the bike is there.

For our market here. The Dominar has become the quintessential b full starter bike since its launch in 2018.

The good. Cheap. Robust. Parts availability, has ABS. Decent entry level touring bike. Stable highway speeds

The bad. Heavy for its class, vibrations at higher highway speeds exceeding 130-140 (it's a big single).
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Ah, thanks! I'll look into it and do my own reading. That's one of the things that worries me as I know the Dominar 400 is roughly 210kgs and yet only has a 400cc engine. But will look around to test it if I can.

When you mention vibrations at highway speed, wouldn't vibrations cause what's known as the 'death wobble' which could be dangerous for a Newbie like me? Hahah, granted I'm not sure how 120km/h feels like on a bike but I'll imagine for someone new, it'll be freaking scary. Hopefully it behaves if I stay below 120km/h..
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post Oct 14 2024, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 14 2024, 01:21 PM)
JPlaSMaY666 30km each way, highway or backroads?
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It's 30KM each way, 90% of the journey is through the Federal highway.
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post Oct 14 2024, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Oct 14 2024, 02:25 PM)
If you're gonna be weaving through a lot of traffic, get something light and nimble instead of the ER6N/Dominar 400. You can get used to it yes, but the ER6N will not let you cut through lanes like the Duke 390, the same way the 390 will not be as easy as a supermoped. Lighter weight trumps speed anytime of the day in the traffic, as you won't be able to move fast anyway while splitting lane.
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Understand. I don't think I will cilok like those bikes la. At most, lane-splitting only but of course, there is always the danger of idiots cutting lanes like their grandfather's road in which ABS is supposed to alleviate that issue. But earlier someone mentioned ABS might be detrimental for someone who drives a manual vehicle like me.. So I'm still kinda up on the fence, to ABS or not to ABS..
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post Oct 14 2024, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Kaellis @ Oct 14 2024, 03:20 PM)
why don't you try renting a bike from BINO

try a week to see how it feels before buying a bike

cheaper than upgrade a few months later
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Will definitely keep that in mind.. after I've built up a level of confidence riding first.

But thanks for sharing! smile.gif It's interesting to see I can rent bikes to test em out first.
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post Oct 14 2024, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 14 2024, 03:56 PM)
numbing vibrations on handlebar, footpegs, seat
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Ah, numbing vibrations I can handle. I drive an old manual pickup truck so I'm pretty used to vibrations and loud engine roars. I think the bike vibration might even be an 'upgrade' to the vibration I experienced driving that truck on a daily basis sweat.gif
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post Oct 14 2024, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 14 2024, 04:18 PM)
Why would ABS be detrimental? It's a safety feature. Especially for an inexperienced rider.

Btw, a Dominar isn't 210kg. Not sure where U got that from. The official kerb weight with fuel is 182kg.
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Ah, I was mistaken on the weight then. Apologies. 182, sounds about right.. I think I mixed it up with the ER6n which was around 200KG.

With regards to the ABS being detrimental, I was referring to Alexei's note mentioning ABS is known to be intrusive. Not sure what's the context for intrusive, but I wouldn't want any unexpected 'intrusion' if I'm riding on a bike going 100km/h sweat.gif
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post Oct 14 2024, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 14 2024, 06:31 PM)
I think you might want to read up what ABS does.

I think Alexei's choice of the words is misinterpreted. Alexei is no greenhorn when it comes to bikes. His complaint of ABS being intrusive only applies to riders that actually know how to use the brakes properly.

But yes, seasoned bikers prefer not to have ABS as they have the skill levels to properly handle the bike without any rider aids. I doubt it applies here. When you are not paying attention like he would be on the track, say when commuting and in the wet, then ABS is crucial.
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Right, something to add to the list of features I should be looking out for then. Which means the beginner bike that ticks all boxes is the Dominar.. Hahah, guess I know what to look out for now.

By the way, can anyone share their experiences starting out on their path to a B Full license? How was it in the beginning? And how long did it take for you to have the confidence to take it on the road for real?
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post Oct 15 2024, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 14 2024, 10:25 PM)
No short cut.

Ride and ride more.

First week do nothing but low speed drills in the parking lot. Learn the clutch friction zone. Slow turns, low speed balance, tight U turns and tight figure 8. Learn counter balancing for tight turns. Learn to use the rear brake for low speed. If you do it correctly expect to drop the bike a few times. If you don't, you are not trying hard enough. Do emergency braking and rolling stops, learn to balance the bike to fall to your left side when coming to a stop. Then learn to fall off the bike. Learn to pick up the bike

Then only go out on the road.

Then learn counter steering, proper braking and turning technique.
The b full test only teaches you how to pass the test. It does not teach you how to ride a bike.

I have been riding for a year on L before taking the b full test. Did everything including off roading. Dropped the bike many many times.

Which is why people say, get a cheap disposable bike you don't mind dropping. You can't sayang your first bike as you will stunt your own skills.

You don't fall, you don't learn. To be honest, the test was a breeze. But then again, by the time I took my b full in a year, I already done 20k km on the dominar.
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Yea, I figured the driving school ain't going to be teaching me the 'real world' experience needed to survive out on Malaysian roads. Which was one of the main factors in me actually looking out for 'external' riding schools like Hafiq Azmi Riding School to get a bit of 'actual 101'.

I'm stoked yet terrified at the same time as being on a bike is the polar opposite of driving a truck where you feel 'somewhat invincible', not that I drive like a maniac for that matter but you know how some drivers can be on the road (speeding, not using turn signals, etc etc).

But after getting stuck for 3 hours on Federal heading back to Klang yesterday and 1.5 hours coming up to work this morning, I've decided enough is enough.. I need to learn to ride to preserve my sanity.
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post Oct 15 2024, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 15 2024, 08:59 AM)
Well ABS is ABS. I don't particularly like it, but I appreciate it is there. Most of the time it's just annoying when it's not needed, but invaluable when it is needed.

The thing about ABS is the cheaper ABS modules all cut in too soon and stay on too long leaving you with no brakes. But it does what it is supposed to do which is preventing lockups and preventing you tucking the front wheel.

I would say daily riding, ABS isnt intrusive but if you are riding at 95+% it can get in the way. Or if you are doing stupid shit like jumping speed humps. Once the front wheel or both wheels gets off the ground, you have no brakes for the split second or so after you land. Very interesting if going down genting with all the speed humps and sharp corner that comes right after.

Then again, it's no fault of the ABS if you are intent to do stupid shit.
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Oh, I don't intend on doing any serious bike riding especially the Genting run. Just normal commute back and forth from work till I get used to riding a bike. But even then, daily riding back and forth from work won't give me the drive to want to do long rides on weekends.. at least for now, I think?

And yea, I like the earlier point mentioned by @alexei to ride it like it doesn't have it. Guess that would be a good training of sorts to remember ultimately, the best 'safety gear' I can rely on is my brain.

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post Oct 15 2024, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Kaellis @ Oct 15 2024, 09:22 AM)
during raining season learning to ride a big bike is also dangerous

-fogging full-face helmet

-federal highway motorcycle lane flooded at Batu Tiga, prepare to merge into the main road

-no light in motorcycle lane area during night

- no place to store your luggage
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Yea, that's one of my fears as well seeing loads of motorcyclist stuck under the bridge when it's raining.

Not too worried about fogging as I want to also look towards a pinlock system helmet to help with that. Hopefully it works as good as people say it does. But I will definitely be getting a full faced just for the added protection.

Been observant of the motorcycle lanes on highways that I travel on and yea, I do see it's quite dark and has some weird curves which would explain why most motorcyclist ends up on the highway anyways.

I just plan to keep my laptop at work and by extension, leave work at work. Hahah, should not have to worry about carrying too much luggage, I hope..
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post Oct 16 2024, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Oct 15 2024, 10:53 AM)
IMO rain isnt that big of a deal if you are prepared for it.
Waterproof bag, raincoat (get one with bright color), gloves, proper tyre and you are good to go.
Unless it is a really heavy rain where you cant even see what is in front of you then thats when you need to find a place to stop.
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To be honest, I've no idea how it feels like to ride in the rain but I did try on a full face helmet just for fun and ended up with a fogged visor. I can only imagine it'll be a whole lot worst riding in the rain.

I'm not too worried about getting myself wet, but when it comes to riding in the rain, I'll still err on the side of caution for now, considering I'm still new to all this.
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post Oct 16 2024, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Oct 15 2024, 01:14 PM)
Can consider rent a bike n commute to work for a week.. to get d feel...
Remember 'everyone' out there is trying to 'kill' u...  smile.gif

https://www.facebook.com/share/eYtvZ6QGX6SvMnLF/
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Oh yea, on the first page, someone did mention BINO to have a feel for different bikes. Might just give it a shot, once I've gotten my actually license and have a few hours under my belt.
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post Oct 17 2024, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(Kaboku @ Oct 16 2024, 01:59 PM)
Just to add on to what the rest mentioned, do not fetch any pillion as it will affect the weight, handling and braking.
Usually it will fog up when you are stationary but pinlock does help. Just a note of caution if you are wearing prescription lenses then pinlock might give you some glare when it is dark and might be irritating to some riders.

Be like some of the riders i know here where they just ride through the rain and only use the raincoat if it is raining in the morning to head for work. Will be showering anyways when you get home so not much difference.
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Yea, not to worry. I don't think I'll be fetching anyone until I at least gain some confidence.

No prescription lens but I do use glasses occasionally. So will keep an eye out when using pinlock systems. And with regards to rain, I think I'll hold off riding in the rain at least until I get my 'feet wet' getting some actual riding experience... hahah

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