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post Nov 3 2024, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Nov 3 2024, 06:38 PM)
Personally it's make No sense CelcomDigi to joined DNB2 with U Mobile leading it...

They actually want the leader... Not follower...

I think They just use the current DNB1 because it's already Matured one. Just needed to expand it's capacity little more... Coverage is Non Issues since already 80% covered
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Maybe then they will also consider acquiring U Mobile, to "monopolise" and lead the whole 2nd 5g. Many things can happen, plan b, c, d, etc.
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post Nov 3 2024, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(NagaK @ Nov 3 2024, 07:39 PM)
Both Maxis and CD are biggest telco giant...
Let's see how 2nd 5G works Maxis now expanding their own fibre infrastructure many areas if they had own 5G Network it's good and cost saving for them..

CelcomDigi and Maxis already had good coverage compared Umobile and all are ready equipped with 5G ready infra so it's really easy to them to rollout 5G faster than actual DNB..

I'm not happy with UM 🤞
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Maxis still have a long way to go in terms of fibre expansion.
Actually if both CelcomDigi and Maxis partner up to take the remaining shares from MOF and U Mobile, they can work to improve on the 80% coverage as well as look into issue of indoor 5G. Both have to forget about their China vendor though, to work on existing ecosystem by Ericsson
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post Nov 4 2024, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(NagaK @ Nov 3 2024, 11:25 PM)
They not happy with it.
Maxis been always stubborn during initial 5G launch
CelcomDigi has been always supportive to Government but has fail
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Not really... If government-build infra become the norm for 5G, 6G, 7G and all the G's to come, then all telcos will have no control once their 4g is obsolete. Maybe the only telco support DNB is YTL.
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post Nov 5 2024, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(prosibu @ Nov 4 2024, 05:43 PM)
2nd network should not be existed since day 1, all telco requested for 2nd due to they want to earn 100% of it. But i tot all telco know that the award will go to 1 telco only, why they feel like all of them will get the award?

During 3G license, umobile and time.com has smaller and no experience on mobile network but they won the license also.

Now maxis feel the Digi at 2008 time. Just they too confident that they will win...
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DNB fail to convince us why second network should not exist. What they do to fix congestion in some area? How they solve indoor coverage?
If DNB can charge telcos very competitive rate that even second network cannot possibly do, then it is true that 2nd network should not exist. Although DNB do have it pros where 5G is available uniformly and in some rural area, being a single network without competing means whatever condition/charge, telco have no choice.

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post Nov 10 2024, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(JLA @ Nov 10 2024, 03:16 PM)
why not both ?
celcom - digi - maxis are friends
sharing tower mostly rural area
urban area some maxis good, some cd good
sharing network MOCN tower
sharing fiber backhaul

so DNB1 : celcomdigi-maxis-ytl team
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If that happen and all agree to share tower, DNB 1 will be strongest. But I think moving forward they will still be fragmentation where telcos will use DNB1 + DNB2, given U Mobile's promise for cheaper access rate.

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 10 2024, 04:29 PM)
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In comparison, the TM HSBB Fibre network monopoly in Semenanjung costs "only" RM13.1 billion in it's deployment from 2008 to 2025. .......

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/tm-inks...premises-target - TM inks agreement to deploy HSBB to more than the initial 1.3 million premises target - 7 March 2017
.... On Sept 2008, TM accepted a letter of award from the government to roll out HSBB infrastructure over a period of 10 years.

The project involved an investment of RM8.9 billion from TM and RM2.4 billion from the government. The aim was to provide HSBB network access to over 1.3 million premises by 2012.

Phase one of the HSBB covers the inner Klang Valley, all key economic and industrial zones throughout the country, the Iskandar Malaysia Region, and all public and private institutions of higher education within the rollout areas.

Phase two, which is also a 10-year project that began in Dec 2015, encompasses the deployment of additional access and core capacity covering state capitals and selected major towns throughout the country, and aims to cover 390,000 premises by the end of this year.

Total cost for HSBB 2 is RM1.8 billion; the government would put up RM500 million, while TM would bear the remaining RM1.3 billion. ...


Maybe the Madani government should also allow a HSBB2 Fibre network because TM Unifi Fibre plan prices are quite high, eg higher  compared to neighboring countries like Thailand and Singapore, eg allow TNB or Maxis to expand it's existing Fibre network to become HSBB2.
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I believe they allow it, just that without working together, which telco willing to do nationwide HSBB alone? End up they only target specific areas and try not to overlap each other.

QUOTE(NagaK @ Nov 10 2024, 05:22 PM)
They might use Huawei afterwards existing keep running on Ericsson. As per expertise Huawei infra way cheaper cost
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Problem now is how they want to integrate existing Huawei and ZTE with DNB Ericcson
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post Dec 3 2024, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(JLA @ Dec 3 2024, 08:07 AM)
maxis want to buy umobile but umobile asking too much. IPO listing forever
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It's not the end of the world. TM, Maxis, or any other company can decide to take over the foreign share if they want. Then they will have to become kuli to build 5G for U Mobile.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 3 2024, 12:18 PM)
Who knows...

Now with the passing of tycoon AK...

TM & UM might joint hand take over Maxis???

His children don't know anything & not interested with the business empire

One of the biggest opportunity 😁

And all would be under 2nd 5G umbrella
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And TM can monopolise their fibre business again, as largest competitor is Maxis.
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QUOTE(NagaK @ Dec 9 2024, 11:38 AM)
This is near my area the sketch one is new tower location seems I need wait I guess they install microwave antenna to examine and monitor I guess then after 1 months or 2 install antenna.Insaw 3 more empty polls near botanic
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They have been really slow moving after 80%. Is it DNB run out of money already?
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QUOTE(NagaK @ Dec 9 2024, 04:40 PM)
Telcos should work with DNB with good motive to solve issue but it’s seems doesn’t they still fights with MCMC and GOVT for own network 5G spectrum network fight will continue until next 5 years
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Telcos just laugh at DNB. Let DNB settle everything since telcos forced to pay. If DNB unable to provide good 5g, telcos just wash their hand.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 9 2024, 05:28 PM)
This the problem

Both parties not really cooperating each others...

The previous government should heed the Telco calls... Not using single entity DNB....

Let them all build own infrastructure.... Let them spend $$$... The best & complete coverage wins the battle
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Not necessary, it can be a consortium of telcos without MOF in it. MCMC plays the role of regulator and mandate them to provide 5G in rural area just like how DNB did.

QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Dec 9 2024, 07:05 PM)
The MNOs already been given their privilege of creating their own network during 4G era. CelcomDigi and Maxis have the best coverage but at what cost? What Malaysian get? High 4G price with ridiculous FUP. Even with that privilege, Malaysia 4G internet speed is still one of the slowest in Southeast Asia.

To make DNB sound more efficient, DNB only need to use 100Mhz of N78 and 20Mhz of L28 to be have of the fastest MEDIAN 5G speed in the whole world while other country with millimeter wave spectrum is below Malaysia.

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Fastest median speed because that time not much people are using 5G. Now surely speed drop.
Celcom or Maxis do not even get 100Mhz spectrum at that point of time. Digi even have to take over from 1 particular company to get 4g spectrum.
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Dec 18 2024, 11:20 AM)
It's ironic that you said 5G will become deteriorating when decades after 4G existed in Malaysia, we still have congestion problem with 4G network. So what is the difference with DNB? With 4G, I still have to pay Rm60+ just to get respectful FUP while with 5G, YES and Umobile can offer 5G plan with bigger FUP in more affordable price than 4G plan.user posted image

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Yes and U Mobile still has long way to go for their indoor coverage esp 4g. Without 4G currently, you cannot even make and receive regular phone calls.
The difference with DNB is that they can put in any price as a single monopolistic entity without competition.
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Dec 25 2024, 08:49 PM)
Competitive 4G = Most expensive and slowest mobile data plan in ASEAN.

5G "monopoly" = Cheapest mobile data plan even cheaper than 4G.

I rather stick to real life data instead of theory. You have to test your hypothesis and see the result. Not create a hypothesis and stick with it without any data proving it.

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Good for you as long as cheap and have coverage outdoor.
Nobody knows if long term can sustain 6G and so on, otherwise government bailout.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jan 21 2025, 04:40 PM)
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Latest News Update on DNB2: .......

https://www.lowyat.net/2025/341234/u-mobile...k-15-18-months/ - Vincent Tan: U Mobile To Launch Second 5G Network Within 15-18 Months
He also noted that the telco will conduct the rollout without assistance from local partners.
20 Jan 2025

U Mobile Sdn Bhd is optimistic about deploying Malaysia’s second 5G network independently within the next 15 to 18 months, according to chairman Tan Sri Vincent Tan. Speaking during a media briefing, he dismissed concerns about the company’s capability to undertake the project without government funding or local partners.

Tan highlighted plans to collaborate with Chinese telecommunications giants Huawei Technologies Co Ltd and ZTE Corp for equipment supply and financing. He noted that both companies are the best choices in terms of 5G technology, adding that U Mobile will rely on its capital expenditure and bank financing to support the rollout. However, details regarding the total capital required remain undisclosed. ...

On a related note, U Mobile last week announced the signing of a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with CIMB to secure financial support for its upcoming 5G network rollout. ....


= high value targets for the CCP like politicians, government executives, CEOs, professionals, business tycoons, journalists, etc should avoid DNB2 because it will be using Huawei and ZTE equipment from communist CCP China. Correct.? Got hidden backdoor spyware for the CCP.?

Ordinary folks = no-value targets for the CCP, should be OK using DNB2 but some of them should avoid visiting China bc the CCP can jail any foreign visitor who has vehemently condemned the CCP or Emperor Xi, like the Falungong, Serpentza, AMDKs, etc.
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Put it this way, we rather think it is ok to be spy by FBI rather than CCP?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jan 22 2025, 02:22 PM)
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Are you saying DNB1's Ericsson equipment from Sweden has hidden backdoor spyware for the FBI.?
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Not really, but even if so, nobody can tell right. Just like how US said to China but they do not come out with solid proof.
All this talk of CCP spy or FBI is just to itch their own. Consumer will use what ever that is to benefit them

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jan 22 2025, 08:59 PM)
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My repost below fyi, .......

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=111093531

Also, recently, .......

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/...asury-telecoms/ - US Sanctions Chinese Hackers for Treasury, Telecom Breaches - 20 Jan 2025
.... Responding to Escalating Chinese Hacks on US Infrastructure

The recent Treasury and Telecoms hacks highlight the “increasingly reckless” cyber activity by the People’s Republic of China (PRC) government and affiliated actors, OFAC said.

The latest sanctions follow several similar designations recently issued against individuals and companies connected with PRC-backed cyber-attacks on US targets. ...

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How are we certain that US do not do the same to China?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jan 23 2025, 02:24 PM)
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Example, ......

https://www.computerworld.com/article/17101...nt-edition.html - For real Windows 10 privacy, you need the China Government Edition - 12 June 2017
Windows 10 is infamous for having snooping baked in, but one government stood up for user privacy. Oh, the irony!

Because Windows doesn’t make much money for Microsoft these days, the company decided, beginning in Windows 10, that snooping on users à la Google and Facebook could be profitable. But one country said enough was enough. It would stand up for its users’ “privacy.” That country? The People’s Republic of China.

Cough. Didn’t see that one coming, did you?

Well, I say “privacy” because China is infamous for tracking its computer users and censoring the internet with the Great Firewall of China. But just because the powers that be in Beijing want to know every move their citizens make doesn’t mean they want Microsoft joining in on the spying.

So China gave Microsoft a choice: Rip out its snoopware, or forget about selling Windows 10 to government or enterprise customers. Microsoft, never known for turning down a dollar or a yuan, caved.
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Note that the US Constitution prohibits the powerful US government from spying or invading the privacy of her citizens except for law enforcement purposes, eg against terrorists, foreign spies, organized crime syndicates, pedophiles, etc, ... besides from restricting her citizens' right to freedom of religion, freedom to bear arms, freedom of speech, freedom of the Press, freedom to protest peacefully, freedom to pursue prosperity, etc.
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Hence I said earlier, all to itch their own. Just see how many China phone, China EV are sold worldwide, over 180 million US citizens flock to Tiktok due to distrust for their own social media platform.
I think I will stop here, not to digress too much from the 5G discussion.
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Mar 8 2025, 06:56 PM)
Alright bro, if we just go by your own bad experience, what about all the other people having good 5G experiences? Isn't that just as biased? That's why we look at median data from Ookla and Opensignal, it's a much wider view, it takes everyone experience into account. Yeah, the reports aren't perfect but it's way fairer than just basing everything on your personal opinion alone, right?

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Ultimately, both the aggregate data and personal experiences should be used in tandem to give a more accurate understanding of the 5G landscape. every user's experience matters, and we shouldn’t just brush it aside for the sake of broader reports that might not always reflect reality on the ground.
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Mar 17 2025, 08:33 PM)
Nasi sudah menjadi bubur … Hope UM can surpass expectation to be savior of 5G service …
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It is a very high expectation as they are building 5G SA which needs more 5g sites.
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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Mar 26 2025, 11:09 PM)
Phone shows "emergency calls only" on Maxis Postpaid. First snapshot is Brickfields, second is Shah Alam.

I tried the same on my prepaid Digi SIM and Yes eSIM. It just shows No Service.
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WTF not even have 4G in Seksyen 7?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 15 2025, 05:45 PM)
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From the above post's news link, .......

PUTRAJAYA: U Mobile Sdn Bhd, pengendali rangkaian 5G kedua Malaysia, menyasarkan untuk mencapai 80 peratus liputan dalam tempoh 12 bulan selepas perkhidmatan itu mula dilancarkan bermula separuh kedua tahun ini. ...

Earliest 80% 5G coverage by DNB2 is July 2026 = U Mobile will transition their subscribers from DNB1 to DNB2.
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Note that Huawei/ZTE equipment may have hidden backdoor to the CCP in China. Eg .......

https://topjohnwu.medium.com/huaweis-undocu...es-c3a5dd71a7cd - Huawei’s Undocumented APIs — A Backdoor to Reinstall Google Services - 1 Oct 2019
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Can we then say Ericcson suci murni no backdoor for future spy?
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Apr 17 2025, 11:07 AM)
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I agree with you, with recent Meta whistleblower hearing talking about Meta relationship with China. Having Huawei equipment directly into Malaysia network is doesn't sounds convincing privacy and security wise. I know the hate for USA is currently high but ignoring these concerns doesn't solve the long terms issue with Huawei equipment.
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That being said, we should also be aware that the US could be monitoring countries that are friendly to their enemies, and supporting Palestin. And what better way to do so than through network equipment. Both super powers are flexing their muscle.

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