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Oltromen Ripot
post May 4 2024, 10:50 AM

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palm oil have no place as ingredients in ice cream in the first place. period.
in the same breath, replacing santan in ais kacang with santan sawit is dumb as fuck and a crime befits death penalty.

end of rant.

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having said that,

using or NOT using sawit as an ingredient itself is not the issue here as far as the law goes.
does not matter if it is due to not being needed OR due to it being substituted with something else.

the issue is explicitly advertising that you are not using palm oil.

same as the ais kacang and cendol thing.

it's okay if you use or don't use santan sawit.

it's okay if you say you use "100% santan sawit" or "100% santan kelapa" or "100% susu seladang" or "100% susu biri-biri" or "100% susu badam" or "100% susu oat".

but you don't go advertise "ZERO sawit", regardless for it not being required ingredient or because you had substituted it with something else.
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post May 4 2024, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 4 2024, 10:36 AM)
All these are banned in this country. What people do behind close door is their affair.

Many Thai own gun and Thailand is not less safer. Have you notice security guard at goldsmith in Thailand?

3r could only spoken by those in power.
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likewise, we ban the npo label because it was deemed to be counter productive and not in our country's interest.
your point again?

also, Thailand is as safe as Malaysia? :lol;
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post May 4 2024, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(accordvtec @ May 4 2024, 10:53 AM)
likewise, we ban the npo label because it was deemed to be counter productive and not in our country's interest.
your point again?

also, Thailand is as safe as Malaysia? :lol;
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Try to spend more time in Thailand and you will realise.

Most if not all goldsmith in Thailand don't have armed security guard.

Oltromen Ripot
post May 4 2024, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(sdust9999 @ May 4 2024, 12:30 AM)
Bruh Palm Oil is no worse than any other form of vegetable oil. This myth has long been debunked. EU oppose palm oil because of excessive deforestation,nothing to do with the palm oil itself. In fact recently a lot of EU experts themselves are reverting their stance because they realise that Canola oil,Sunflower oil all actually even worst than palm oil when it comes to enviromental friendly.
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expanding further, Mar2024 Court ruling.

EU chastised for using outdated data to make a policy, and for using random 10yr cutoff to charge a 25yr-cycle planting as creating more pollution than annual-cycle planting.

in my own understanding: EU probably looked at the last 10yrs of 25yr-cycle as creating more tonnage of waste than the tonnage created by 10yrs of annual crops. if they looked at 25yrs, they might see that 25 cycles of annual crops generate more waste than 1 cycle of palm crop.

also, since palm only produce after 7yrs, it is not just to compare 3yrs of production against 10yrs of production in an arbitrary 10yrs window; of course the tonnage is different and appears to be low.

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https://www.eco-business.com/news/in-landma...-biofuel-rules/

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post May 4 2024, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ May 3 2024, 11:57 PM)
Why New Zealand no ban products that say "Non-Dairy"?

What's next? A law to ban "No Durian" signs?
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Ban or fine products with label "no pork, no lard" ?
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post May 4 2024, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Kasawari 2 @ May 4 2024, 11:20 AM)
Ban or fine products with label "no pork, no lard" ?
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Got any enforcement?

QUOTE(Lurker @ May 3 2024, 04:06 PM)
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yes, there is a law on that
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post May 4 2024, 11:28 AM

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post May 4 2024, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(pureawesomeness @ May 4 2024, 12:02 AM)
Cannot sell at all or cannot display it?

Whittakes chocolates and TipTop ice cream still selling openly in mall grocers.
Tomorrow all go put sticker to cover?
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Cannot display only. You can mask the "no palm oil" with a sticker n sell the product.

I think this is oversight from the shop. First time offense should lighter fine lah like RM10k fine.
Oltromen Ripot
post May 4 2024, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ May 4 2024, 11:24 AM)
Got any enforcement?
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interesting.

so does this law apply to explicit label on the packaging of produce?
or is it applicable as well to like [hang poster on premise].

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i honestly haven't seen packaging that explicitly says anything about "no pork", "no pard", "no beef"; but maybe have come across "no alcohol".

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does this rule apply to fragrance and perfume? or just food consumables?
this one confirm so many "no alcohol" label.
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post May 4 2024, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ May 4 2024, 11:31 AM)
interesting.

so does this law apply to explicit label on the packaging of produce?
or is it applicable as well to like [hang poster on premise].

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i honestly haven't seen packaging that explicitly says anything about "no pork", "no pard", "no beef"; but maybe have come across "no alcohol".

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does this rule apply to fragrance and perfume? or just food consumables?
this one confirm so many "no alcohol" label.
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Got many restaurants with No Pork signs wat.
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post May 4 2024, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 4 2024, 11:15 AM)
Try to spend more time in Thailand and you will realise.

Most if not all goldsmith in Thailand don't have armed security guard.
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Tell that to the south thailand people, th Bangkok mall shooting victims n the countless shooting cases victims in Thailand over the years. They have gun control issues just like USA
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post May 4 2024, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ May 4 2024, 11:29 AM)
Cannot display only. You can mask the "no palm oil" with a sticker n sell the product.

I think this is oversight from the shop. First time offense should lighter fine lah like RM10k fine.
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What a waste of resources

Imagine the time and cost wasted just to put a fucking sticker over the no palm oil wording

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QUOTE(vexus @ May 4 2024, 09:16 AM)
I do not use palm oil for cooking. Use peanut oil more fragrance.
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I also got peanut oild bought to do mooncake but didn't dare to use it for a thing else fearing it would alter the taste of the food.
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post May 4 2024, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ May 4 2024, 11:32 AM)
Tell that to the south thailand people, th Bangkok mall shooting victims n the countless shooting cases victims in Thailand over the years. They have gun control issues just like USA
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If shooting is regular, it won't be worldwide news.

QUOTE(g5sim @ May 4 2024, 11:34 AM)
I also got peanut oild bought to do mooncake but didn't dare to use it for a thing else fearing it would alter the taste of the food.
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Peanut oil is flavourful.
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QUOTE(Raddus @ May 4 2024, 11:34 AM)
What a waste of resources

Imagine the time and cost wasted just to put a fucking sticker over the no palm oil wording
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I agree but I also agree with government stand on no palm oil campaign by Europe. Europe is not doing anything t for the environment, they are doing it for $$$$$. If there is a European union country that have climate to plant oil palm, pretty sure palm oil will have any issues with them.
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QUOTE(Raddus @ May 4 2024, 11:34 AM)
What a waste of resources

Imagine the time and cost wasted just to put a fucking sticker over the no palm oil wording
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To distinguish from cheap and inferior products.
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post May 4 2024, 11:40 AM

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Next time just label "May contain: palm oil"
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post May 4 2024, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 4 2024, 11:37 AM)
If shooting is regular, it won't be worldwide news.
Peanut oil is flavourful.
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It's world wide news cause of mass casulties. Is Palestinian death at the hands of yahoodeeee regular? It's still in the news.

Flavourful yes but is the taste suitable for all dishes..
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QUOTE(g5sim @ May 4 2024, 11:38 AM)
I agree but I also agree with government stand on no palm oil campaign by Europe. Europe is not doing anything t for the environment, they are doing it for $$$$$. If there is a European union country that have climate to plant oil palm, pretty sure palm oil will have any issues with them.
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One need to stand from EU point of view to understand.

For reasons, what FTA negotiation with EU is suspended.
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