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post Apr 27 2024, 07:46 PM

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ini baru motor, imagine cars going 300km/h. I have seen those cars even though I didn't use north south highway that much last time
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post Apr 27 2024, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(vapanel @ Apr 27 2024, 07:38 PM)
I think the superbiker think his bike is super stable and can stop within 1 second due to high end braking system in the bike

He didn't realise it's a bike. It can flip side way and in this case, flip up.
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Don't speed even if you have this kind of skill level because everything has a risk...

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killdavid
post Apr 27 2024, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Apr 27 2024, 07:34 PM)
Interesting analogy, and in both I can say that
- the woman crossed the highway dangerously (which is also illegal, right?)
- the lack of fire extinguisher is a breach of building safety SOP (which is also illegal, right?)

Now personally, I totally would not fault the Triton because the driver also did everything correctly: braked on time, did not change lane abruptly into the cam car, turned on hazard lights, did not speed up because a crazy bitch was running around, she was unpredictable. Biker on the other hand braked in the last seconds but he could've braked way earlier or swerved to avoid. The hazard lights were on more than 5 seconds and he only hard braked which flipped the bike on the last 2 seconds or so. His mistake cost his life, but it could've been prevented if the woman didn't break the law.

Take the factory fire analogy, let's say someone made a mistake at the factory and caused the fire, and the person was not able to escape because he accidentally locked himself in the factory. Same thing, his mistake cost his life, but it could've been prevented if the factory was properly equipped i.e. did not break the law.

In the end, it depends on who's suing who. Let's just imagine if the victims who made the mistake are alive (and therefore can be held liable). I bet everyone would be furious if the Triton owner decides to sues the biker for speeding and not braking on time, ultimately damaging his car. Same like factory, the owner sues the victim for making the mistake and burn down his factory.

I think there's a "correct answer" here that one is "more wrong" than the other, adding with the fact that, the other wrong is already dead, he already paid the ultimate price.
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The woman was no longer on the road when the biker came on the scene. So is it fair to say she is the direct cause ? Bear in mind the obstacle the biker faced was the triton and not the girl. The triton was on his way to restart his journey signifying conditions were stabilized.

At the end of the day the obstacle is irrelevant. It could be a stalled triton, a python or a pothole that cause the traffic to stop. The outcome given the same distance and time lapse would likely expose the unpreparedness.

For sure the woman was also reckless.


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post Apr 27 2024, 07:54 PM

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Imho the pick-up truck had enough space and time to slow down and move off the right lane.
I wouldn’t ever want to stop dead in the right lane and be the first vehicle in a multi car pile up.
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post Apr 27 2024, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Apr 27 2024, 07:49 PM)
The woman was no longer on the road when the biker came on the scene. So is it fair to say she is the direct cause ? Bear in mind the obstacle the biker faced was the triton and not the girl.  The triton was on his way to restart his journey signifying conditions were stabilized.

At the end of the day the obstacle is irrelevant. It could be a stalled triton, a python or a pothole that cause the traffic to stop. The outcome given the same distance and time lapse would likely expose the unpreparedness.

For sure the woman was also reckless.
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for sure that girl salah lah, no need plotek la.

but that moto super fast, dash cam car can slow down in time, why moto can't at least slow down. the hit was in full speed.

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post Apr 27 2024, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(commonsense @ Apr 27 2024, 07:54 PM)
for sure that girl salah lah, no need plotek la.

but that moto super fast, dash cam car can slow down in time, why moto can't at least slow down. the hit was in full speed.
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I stated very clearly she salah. The essence of the question is wrong on what count ?
Traffic offence or killing a life ?
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post Apr 27 2024, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(vapanel @ Apr 27 2024, 05:51 PM)
I got another theory

Maybe the triton see the Superbike and scared the Superbike swerve to the left

So better stop and let the Superbike choose his destination

Seems like Superbike choose final destination
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Seems plausible, Triton does gave emergency signal for quite some time.
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Apr 27 2024, 07:54 PM)
Imho the pick-up truck had enough space and time to slow down and move off the right lane.
I wouldn’t ever want to stop dead in the right lane and be the first vehicle in a multi car pile up.
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Maybe the Triton see the superbike very fast behind and scared the superbike will swerve left lane

So better stay in same lane and left superbike pass Triton from the left
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post Apr 27 2024, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Apr 27 2024, 07:56 PM)
I stated very clearly she salah. The essence of the question is wrong on what count ?
Traffic offence or killing a life ?
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itu kerja AG and hakim la..for sure kena one.
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post Apr 27 2024, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(commonsense @ Apr 27 2024, 07:58 PM)
itu kerja AG and hakim la..for sure kena one.
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Yup and it remains to be seen. But we are free to discuss. That's the purpose of this forum. No need to be angry and hurl personal insults. ☺️
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post Apr 27 2024, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Apr 27 2024, 07:56 PM)
I stated very clearly she salah. The essence of the question is wrong on what count ?
Traffic offence or killing a life ?
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Very light offence only like obstructing traffic on a road.
Hard to prove she is ultimately culpable for the motobodo death.
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post Apr 27 2024, 08:04 PM

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Triton bodoh la, if you slow down and know your car cannot pick up speed then go left la, stay fast lane for what? Since no obstruction already, die die wanna stay on fast lane, pedal to the metal la.

He lucky is a motobodo, if it's a trailer or lorry on high speed?
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I'm not blaming motoguy but Motor GP racer ride faster still can survive crash with proper safety equipment and technique

Need to learn how to throw the bike and slide like motor GP guy

Shit happen, when you go speed one small mistake can cause death

RIP motor guy at least he die doing what he love
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Apr 27 2024, 08:03 PM)
Very light offence only like obstructing traffic on a road.
Hard to prove she is ultimately culpable for the motobodo death.
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I tend to agree. But this opinion seem to anger some forummers.

Some have the view it is involuntary manslaughter.
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post Apr 27 2024, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Apr 27 2024, 07:32 PM)
I'm not the one with insults and name calling. If my points hurt your feelings , feel free to block me. Then the pain will go away
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I enjoy insulting your intelligence, or whatever you have in that head of yours smile.gif
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post Apr 27 2024, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Apr 27 2024, 07:49 PM)
The woman was no longer on the road when the biker came on the scene. So is it fair to say she is the direct cause ? Bear in mind the obstacle the biker faced was the triton and not the girl.  The triton was on his way to restart his journey signifying conditions were stabilized.

At the end of the day the obstacle is irrelevant. It could be a stalled triton, a python or a pothole that cause the traffic to stop. The outcome given the same distance and time lapse would likely expose the unpreparedness.

For sure the woman was also reckless.
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This is why you are not a lawyer.
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post Apr 27 2024, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Apr 27 2024, 08:08 PM)
I enjoy insulting your intelligence, or whatever you have in that head of yours smile.gif
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Screenshots taken. Then I can show it back to you what a hypocrite you are when you act holier than thou in the SUS thread which you always do talking about other people.
Harassing people with childish insults 😄
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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 27 2024, 05:07 PM)
The Suzuki GSX-R 1000 price in the Malaysia starts between RM 73,165 - 96,900 . it is available in 2 colors, 3 variants in the Malaysia. The GSX-R 1000 is powered by a 999.8 cc engine, and has a 6-Speed gearbox. The Suzuki GSX-R 1000 has a seating height of 825 mm and kerb weight of 200 kg.
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cheapest 1000cc out there

not for the faint of heart
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post Apr 27 2024, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Apr 27 2024, 05:18 PM)
If straight highway, sometimes even if follow speed limit, if no jam nothing also very scary to see car sudden or full stop.  Almost feel like cannot brake on time.

The fact that Triton still manage to turn on hazard light is impressive liao....
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Some cars or obd features auto turn on hazard light and unlock your car during emergency brakes
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Apr 27 2024, 08:11 PM)
Screenshots taken. Then I can show it back to you what a hypocrite you are when you act holier than thou in the SUS thread which you always do talking about other people.
Harassing people with childish insults 😄
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Wow somebody is being emotional whistling.gif

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