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 Anyone Noticed That European Links Went Bad?, Latency >400ms (Update Aft 2 Mths Unrsv)

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post May 6 2024, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(ajimix @ May 6 2024, 12:20 PM)
I don't get why enter into politics. As petpenyubobo says, we are mere consumers. We should have what we are paying. I'm paying fiber internet which should work when I load a website, regardless if the website is located in the USA, Europe or a remote island.

Right now all European websites and services are slow to load, specially in the afternoon/evening/night. I'm again complaining to TIME again today.

If we all complain, maybe they find out there is a problem and fix it
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Actually this whole submarine cable thing has geo-politics under its hood. We cannot deny the fact and should not evade the reasons behind it.

I know it's unpleasant to bring it up but we can't just pretend nothing is going on. The SEA-ME-WE cabling project openly rejected and booted China despite Huawei Marine initially winning the tender fairly to build and supply them the cabling project for them out of security threat concerns.

Should China, Central Asia and Russia provide similar response when these same people return and asked for participation in the Trans-Siberia project?

Don't just brush us away and ask this to be taken to RWI or suggest impossible things to your internet subscribers/consumers.
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post May 6 2024, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 6 2024, 03:50 PM)
One minute going through China and Central Asia is suppposedly the future to avoid being bargained by India and Middle East  manipulating ME/South Asia routes to Europe through troubled Bengal and Middle East war regions.

Next Malaysian network providers are now apparently so powerful that they can tell China is "a threat to be part of their global submarine cable build out" and "being a threat to your submarine cable consortium".

Say that the evil rest of the world is " cutting off China entirely from the Indian Ocean route", but then India Asia Xpress (IAX) under construction by China Mobile and Reliance Jio, PEACE Cable being built by HMN, in the Indian Ocean region, after the geo-political shenanigans of SEA-ME-WE 6, so how?
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Since you asked so how,

The message is very clear from China and the Far East side to Bharat South Asia/ME. Try anything funny in future with any extortion we can equally respond to cut you out as well from Pacific side via landings on Changi East side Singapore going into the Far East/Pacific.

Tuas(West Side): Bharat/ME
Changi(East Side): China/Japan/Pacific

They won't be deterred because links to Europe and East Coast USA is secured.

As you can see with the charts now, there is almost no interruption to European-Far East Asia(FEA) to China cities including South Korea and Japan.

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Shanghai/Seoul/Tokyo are enjoying healthier latency to Europe than ASEAN now.

Links as you mentioned: India Asia Xpress (IAX), PEACE Cable are more benefiting to India accessing Far East Asia than the other way around. Easily it can be taken down but it'll not bring much issues to both Beijing and Tokyo because they have their direct links to both EUROPE and US secured via Trans-Siberia/Pacific route.

The ones suffering now is the Indo-China/ASEAN region with countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, SG, Thailand even as far as HK links to Europe is crawling.

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post May 6 2024, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 6 2024, 04:00 PM)
I have no issue with people lodging formal complaints with the respective network providers on reduced performance to Europe from Malaysia. But I'm not sure how much they can do when it will take time for submarine cableships to get to the location

And then deal with things like this: https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/2d5m1...me-we-5s-repair

No one is limited to access Europe based resources. I deal with workloads in the EU all the time. It is not 2006 when it was impossible to access after the Hengchun earthquake.

Increased latency because rerouting via East Asia and North America, yes. Increased packet loss, totally feel it. But as a "mere consumer" I have no control how AS4788 and AS9930 (who, let's be honest, just chucks all their packets down to Equinix Singapore for international transit to the wider internet) decides to deal with SEA-ME-WE 5 and AAE-1 being down.
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South Asia actually needs ASEAN more than the Far East needs them, one to get to the Pacific via SG transit to reach US while the other needs to reach EU.

Alternatively India will have to go through EU/Africa continent then only they can traverse across the Atlantic.

On the other hand Beijing/Seoul/Tokyo already has their Trans Siberia backup on bypass them to reach EU.

So yeah most affected regions will be ASEAN+HK+Taiwan which relies on a lot on the Indian Ocean links to reach EU.
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post May 8 2024, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(ajimix @ May 8 2024, 10:25 AM)
One more day of suffering on European websites... we keep counting
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Last weekend days back someone said from insiders need another 10-13 days. That's another 2 weeks. We shall see at the end of next week. smile.gif
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post May 11 2024, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(JLA @ May 11 2024, 09:48 AM)
TeleYemen has two branches, one in Aden under control of the internationally recognized Yemeni government, and the other in Sanaa under the control of the Houthi. The Yemeni government refused to cooperate with the Houthi-linked part of TeleYemen associated with the AAE-1 cable consortium

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/middle_eas...d-13781436.html
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this is interesting
Houthis backed by china cut AAE-1 china  cable

The Asia-Africa-Europe-1 cable system, better known as AAE-1, has been officially launched, with services commencing from Europe to the Far East, said the AAE-1 consortium, which coordinates efforts to complete the project. China Unicom is a key member of the alliance.
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Don't see a strategic reason for China to do this since even now with the cable severed, the Far East Asia(FEA) links to Europe is still enjoying good connectivity.

If they wanted to sabotage, the links they'd cut off the links linking South Asia/ME to Europe instead that'll bring even a far worst impact. They could also cut off East side of the cables that links Pacific side with their dominance over the South China Sea via East Singapore Changi side.

All things considered the ones who are victims now are South East Asia which is so dependent on the route Indian Ocean/ME route to Europe. There is also no way for ME/South Asia to get to Japan/Korea/HK other than to take the "other" way round the globe via Africa-Atlantic Ocean-Pacific Ocean to reach FEA.

For China/S.Korea/Japan, they've safeguarded their route to EU & America. Cutting off the Indian Ocean Route will only impact their South Asia/Africa traffic which is insignificant compared to the earlier destinations.
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post May 16 2024, 03:38 PM

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There's already some improvements observed today and European links are slowly recovering.

Almost back to normal.

Stay tuned.
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QUOTE(rezzorix @ May 16 2024, 05:29 PM)
Can you back that statement up with data?

Because my constantly running smokeping tells otherwise (at least for TIME).
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Ooops no improvement yet with TIME?

Most SG major carriers are already getting <220ms to Amsterdam today. It's normalizing now.
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post May 16 2024, 10:07 PM

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Server Source:
DataPacket Telecom: https://www.datapacket.com/looking-glass
OVH Roubaix Paris: rbx.proof.ovh.net

DataPacket Amsterdam
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DataPacket Frankfurt
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OVH Roubaix Paris
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post May 21 2024, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(rezzorix @ May 21 2024, 04:21 PM)
Small update.... TIMEDOTCOM connections to Europe are still bad:

Frankfurt:
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Amsterdam:
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Thanks for the update, it is indeed still not recovered yet. EU connections are exceptionally slow today. The latency in fact even increased further today by some 20-30ms from the usual average 260ms to somewhere now close to 300ms for major servers such as M247 and DataPacket.

This is unrelated but the African region is now seeing surges in terrorism activities causing even further major disruptions to more undersea cables.

African Countries Hit by Major Internet Outage
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202405/14/W...fc043c7104.html

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"Internet to East Africa is severely impaired. All sub-sea capacities between East Africa and South Africa are down. 3 cable cuts in Red Sea that is Seacom, EIG and AAE1 remain unrepaired" Ben said in a post on social media platform X.

According to the latest reports, the cable problems have had a severe impact on internet users in Kenya and Tanzania with social media posts suggesting a near total internet blackout in some areas. Rwanda, Uganda and Madagascar also appear to be affected.

This is the second time Africa has experienced a major fibre cut this year. In March, a suspected underwater rock slid off the coast of Cote d'Ivoire resulting in several submarine cables being offline. The cables included Africa Coast to Europe, Submarine Atlantic 3 and the West Africa Submarine Cable. The outage impacted 13 African countries located on the West African seaboard, causing either degraded services or near-total internet outages


East Africa Outages Stir Fears over Africa’s Internet Vulnerabilities
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/east-africa-outa...-134843114.html

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Fresh damage to undersea cables that supply African countries with the internet has raised new fears about the continent’s network vulnerabilities. The damage marks the third widespread disruption since the start of the year.

Internet users in Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, and Rwanda reported different levels of disruption between Sunday and Monday following cuts to two submarine cables, EASSy (East Africa Submarine System) and Seacom. The breaks also caused disruptions in Mozambique, Malawi, and Madagascar, according to Cloudflare, a US internet data company.
It's already almost a month since the EU connection went down, just about 7 days ago another major breakdown occurred in Africa.


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