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post Mar 5 2024, 10:08 AM, updated 2y ago

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post Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM

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what are the conditions for abortion?
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the only one who doesn't have the 'right'

are the babies


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post Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM

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Why want to bring more babies in France to support pensioners
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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Mar 5 2024, 11:15 AM)
the only one who doesn't have the 'right'

are the babies
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You rather have kes buang bayi or orphans?
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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM)
the only one who doesn't have the 'right'

are the babies
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my sperm too
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ Mar 5 2024, 11:16 AM)
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ Mar 5 2024, 10:16 AM)
pakai dom dom jer lah
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sperm only have one objective, they need to be selected by egg. but you block them from meet up and berkahwin.

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Now for other countries to follow. rclxms.gif
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post Mar 5 2024, 10:18 AM

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France is what country?
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post Mar 5 2024, 10:20 AM

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if abortion, revoke the right for birth.
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post Mar 5 2024, 10:24 AM

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This is overkill. What's wrong with current law? This is going to make it like a free for all. No regards for protection, got accident then abort. Some will treat this like a flu shot, use it whenever you want.
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post Mar 5 2024, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM)
the only one who doesn't have the 'right'

are the babies
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Which babies got no right?
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 10:24 AM)
This is overkill. What's wrong with current law? This is going to make it like a free for all. No regards for protection, got accident then abort. Some will treat this like a flu shot, use it whenever you want.
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Fetus isn't a living being. It doesn't have any rights.


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QUOTE(pandah @ Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM)
what are the conditions for abortion?
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One condition: the woman said so.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Mar 5 2024, 10:18 AM)
Now for other countries to follow.  rclxms.gif
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Taliban countries will say a clump of cells is alive.

If they are alive then ivf should be banned ASAP since the other clump of cells are disposed
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Mar 5 2024, 10:27 AM)
Fetus isn't a living being. It doesn't have any rights.
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Imagine a slut that sleeps around and let you pancut dalam with no care in the world. If got pregnant just go abort without consequences. It's like WestWorld, free for all. What kind of society is that?

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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Mar 5 2024, 10:26 AM)
Which babies got no right?
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 10:33 AM)
Imagine a slut that sleeps around and let you pancut dalam with no care in the world. If got pregnant just go abort without consequences. It's like WestWorld, free for all. What kind of society is that?
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The society I want to live in.

You cna go back to taliban Afghanistan land
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post Mar 5 2024, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 10:33 AM)
Imagine a slut that sleeps around and let you pancut dalam with no care in the world. If got pregnant just go abort without consequences. It's like WestWorld, free for all. What kind of society is that?
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If she is gonna be a slut, abortion or not will not stop her. She will just buang at longkang or toilet anyway.
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 10:33 AM)
Imagine a slut that sleeps around and let you pancut dalam with no care in the world. If got pregnant just go abort without consequences. It's like WestWorld, free for all. What kind of society is that?
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What's wrong with that kind of society?
You prefer they be irresponsible parents or throw the baby or use cloth hanger or take pills/do surgery from unapproved places or find all sorts of desperate ways to get it aborted?
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Mar 5 2024, 10:37 AM)
The society I want to live in.

You cna go back to taliban Afghanistan land
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Then move to France. Don't say Malaysia, no country in Asia will enact this. This is amending the constitution, do you know how big a deal that is? You talk as if it's so progressive, you just wait and see how France will turn out in another generation.


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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Mar 5 2024, 10:40 AM)
What's wrong with that kind of society?
You prefer they be irresponsible parents or throw the baby or use cloth hanger or take pills/do surgery from unapproved places or find all sorts of desperate ways to get it aborted?
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There are many ways to skin a cat, like I said, this is overkill to amend the constitution.

There are already many abortion clinic in France.
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 10:42 AM)
Then move to France. Don't say Malaysia, no country in Asia will enact this. This is amending the constitution, do you know how big a deal that is? You talk as if it's so progressive, you just wait and see how France will turn out in another generation.
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France is in a way better position than this taliban shithole.


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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 10:33 AM)
Imagine a slut that sleeps around and let you pancut dalam with no care in the world. If got pregnant just go abort without consequences. It's like WestWorld, free for all. What kind of society is that?
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Yes cuz the slut got pregnant all on her own, the pancut dalam indiscriminately sohai tarak salah, completely innocent. This is just what happens when trash with no morals mingle with other trash and both don't have the common sense to use protection. Maybe next time just neuter/spay trash people instead? 🤷

It's not like this law is gonna force couples who want their children to have abortions so idk why pro lifers are so retarded about this, as is, there are already plenty unwanted kids in foster care, orphanages or just those being neglected/abused by shitty parents, why do we need more? Macamlah orphanages/NGOs helping this kids are bursting with funds and desperately need more kids to take care of. 🙄

I often see people use the argument that some couples are struggling to start their own family and this fella how dare they get an abortion... Well orphanages kan ada? Go apply lah.
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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM)
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fuck the babies.
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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM)
the only one who doesn't have the 'right'

are the babies
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ktards: we didn't asked to be born also.
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QUOTE(exsea @ Mar 5 2024, 10:53 AM)
fuck the babies.
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hello polis we got pedo here....owai
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Mammals flawed breeding strategy. Look at reptiles, fishes and insects, just lay eggs and begone, the offspring will take care of themselves.

Human has the longest parenting period in the entire animal kingdom, need to raise a kid until graduation from college/u, many other organism already long dead before your kid fully grown up. innocent.gif
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Mar 5 2024, 10:54 AM)
ktards: we didn't asked to be born also.
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This is the most realistic reply here. I observed many ktards have already given up in life. Next they will want euthanasia to be in the constitution.

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Raw is the best
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QUOTE(miromiro @ Mar 5 2024, 10:18 AM)
France is what country?
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A fucked up country filled with blacks
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 11:07 AM)
This is the most realistic reply here. I observed many ktards have already given up in life. Next they will want euthanasia to be in the constitution.
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Yup, I advocate legalised euthanasia. wink.gif
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 11:07 AM)
This is the most realistic reply here. I observed many ktards have already given up in life. Next they will want euthanasia to be in the constitution.
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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Mar 5 2024, 11:08 AM)
Raw is the best
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tuhan cipta LJ and CB, not condom
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QUOTE(imkevin2022 @ Mar 5 2024, 11:33 AM)
tuhan cipta LJ and CB, not condom
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Betul.

Just pull out before pancut, ok liao
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Mar 5 2024, 11:12 AM)
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you fail liao also they haven't fail.

they do not need to marriage to have children, they just diff value compare to asian.

even if marriage, they still can play around de

so the policy is make sense for them

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QUOTE(imkevin2022 @ Mar 5 2024, 11:33 AM)
tuhan cipta LJ and CB, not condom
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More precisely evolution resulted in lj and cb.

Then again, almost everything you enjoy today is not made by invisible daddy in the sky.... cars, phones, computers, tv....

You should start walking and no longer use any human invention like cars/MRT etc.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Mar 5 2024, 11:37 AM)
More precisely evolution resulted in lj and cb.

Then again, almost everything you enjoy today is not made by invisible daddy in the sky.... cars, phones, computers, tv....

You should start walking and no longer use any human invention like cars/MRT etc.... biggrin.gif
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evolution? now LJ and CB can be form by evolution?
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QUOTE(imkevin2022 @ Mar 5 2024, 11:38 AM)
evolution? now LJ and CB can be form by evolution?
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abothen? blush.gif
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 10:33 AM)
Imagine a slut that sleeps around and let you pancut dalam with no care in the world. If got pregnant just go abort without consequences. It's like WestWorld, free for all. What kind of society is that?
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Baby dalam tong sampah better?
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all the plotektors all, so u want the women to give birth to rapists children?
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QUOTE(dwks @ Mar 5 2024, 11:39 AM)
Baby dalam tong sampah better?
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baby dalam tong sampah is a crime there. better don't do this in France.
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QUOTE(imkevin2022 @ Mar 5 2024, 11:40 AM)
baby dalam tong sampah is a crime there. better don't do this in France.
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Cause they have better option than here. Malaysia also illegal, didn’t see that stop 🍊
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QUOTE(dwks @ Mar 5 2024, 11:43 AM)
Cause they have better option than here. Malaysia also illegal, didn’t see that stop 🍊
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no lah. they over protect children and baby. if you not attentive to your baby needs, you will end up in jail.

malaysia children can basikal lanjat at night without the parent knowledge...and parent no end up in jail for neglect...

big different

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QUOTE(imkevin2022 @ Mar 5 2024, 11:36 AM)
you fail liao also they haven't fail.

they do not need to marriage to have children, they just diff value compare to asian.

even if marriage, they still can play around de

so the policy is make sense for them
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next is to request provide free abortion clinic yadi yada. one thing led to another.. i hope meteor or asteroid strike us anytime soon.
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QUOTE(dwks @ Mar 5 2024, 11:39 AM)
Baby dalam tong sampah better?
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Ackchelli baby end up in tong because of society stigma.
Certain culture and religion may use it as reason to stone you
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I'd propose that, anytime a woman want an abortion to a healthy fetus, the bf/husband need to agree to a partial or full vasectomy.
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Wait till we come across couples are faced with their child being aborted on a whim because the female is going through a bipolar episode. You can't deny her constitutional rights.
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QUOTE(dwks @ Mar 5 2024, 11:39 AM)
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Depends on the tong sampah. Is it from Chanel?

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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM)
the only one who doesn't have the 'right'

are the babies
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For rape and tuai victims I support if they want to remove unwanted seeds from their body.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Mar 5 2024, 11:03 AM)
Mammals flawed breeding strategy. Look at reptiles, fishes and insects, just lay eggs and begone, the offspring will take care of themselves.

Human has the longest parenting period in the entire animal kingdom, need to raise a kid until graduation from college/u, many other organism already long dead before your kid fully grown up. innocent.gif
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Nowadays graduated already doesn't mean they will be independent also.

QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 11:07 AM)
This is the most realistic reply here. I observed many ktards have already given up in life. Next they will want euthanasia to be in the constitution.
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Yup, I support legalising euthanasia as well.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Mar 5 2024, 10:55 AM)
hello polis we got pedo here....owai
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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Mar 5 2024, 10:37 AM)
dead babies
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Still got you can't donate their organs without consent.
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None of msia business
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 10:33 AM)
Imagine a slut that sleeps around and let you pancut dalam with no care in the world. If got pregnant just go abort without consequences. It's like WestWorld, free for all. What kind of society is that?
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Those people pancut also no consequences what.
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QUOTE(Nihonmaru @ Mar 5 2024, 02:14 PM)
None of msia business
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3rd world countries laws mostly copied from western countries.

Western countries most of the time will lead in new moral/law standards, decades later only 3rd world countries catch up.

Just look at abolishment of mandatory death penalty recently adopted by JokerLand, if western countries didn't start that, u think JokerLand would suddenly abolish it?
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Mar 5 2024, 02:19 PM)
3rd world countries laws mostly copied from western countries.

Western countries most of the time will lead in new moral/law standards, decades later only 3rd world countries catch up.

Just look at abolishment of mandatory death penalty recently adopted by JokerLand, if western countries didn't start that, u think JokerLand would suddenly abolish it?
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This is a good policy. The world is facing overpopulation, and having less babies is good for the environment.
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QUOTE(sage61 @ Mar 5 2024, 02:22 PM)
This is a good policy. The world is facing overpopulation, and having less babies is good for the environment.
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fuck the babies!
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one extreme - slut abort willy nilly cause she likes to sleep around

the other extreme - underage victim denied abortion after being raped by father and the pregnancy will endanger her life

the internut really like to bring out both extremes. u two gangs sud get a room and have a FFA orgy + fight
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Mar 5 2024, 02:19 PM)
3rd world countries laws mostly copied from western countries.

Western countries most of the time will lead in new moral/law standards, decades later only 3rd world countries catch up.

Just look at abolishment of mandatory death penalty recently adopted by JokerLand, if western countries didn't start that, u think JokerLand would suddenly abolish it?
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If so, what's the problem

Those fucking Tuai till pregnant kenot abortion ke ?
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QUOTE(Nihonmaru @ Mar 5 2024, 02:39 PM)
If so, what's the problem

Those fucking Tuai till pregnant kenot abortion ke ?
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no problem, was replying to "none of Msia business" comment.
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Mar 5 2024, 10:27 AM)
Fetus isn't a living being. It doesn't have any rights.
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what is your criteria for a living being?

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QUOTE(CeDhhVss @ Mar 5 2024, 10:15 AM)
the only one who doesn't have the 'right'

are the babies
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eveyone is so anti abortion until accidentally get or get someone pregnant

then go back alley find illegal, unsafe way to cabut

at least in france is legal
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the problem herein lies with the constitution itself
it was written by MEN

abortion is usually 90% of the time, male silap but ladies face the problem

the French got it right and we know this
we never will - die die never abort but complicate matters even worse
not to say we never learn
we just won't learn


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what is your criteria for a living being?
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a feotus grows at a pretty incredible rate. that doesn't qualify it as a living being?
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QUOTE(machomama @ Mar 5 2024, 06:59 PM)
the problem herein lies with the constitution itself
it was written by MEN

abortion is usually 90% of the time, male silap but ladies face the problem

the French got it right and we know this
we never will - die die never abort but complicate matters even worse
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Male silap? If the lady doesn't want it, it's rape, right? Now they want to have sex and get pregnant, suddenly 90% is males problem???

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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 5 2024, 07:22 PM)
a feotus grows at a pretty incredible rate. that doesn't qualify it as a living being?
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Nope.

Still a clump of cells that can't survive without a host.

And why does the right of the cells more important that the mother?

How about ivf? Those unused cells are disposed. They're committing murder?


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haiyoooo.......we're talkin bout consensual banging but not to reproduce
hence the abortion phm?
tetiba ada satu kat dlm ketuhar tu silap sapa bro

if u say it's the ladies fault then i humbly rest my case

the only people that can lay claim as to whether abortion is OK onot are ladies
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Mar 5 2024, 07:31 PM)
Nope.

Still a clump of cells that can't survive without a host.

And why does the right of the cells more important that the mother?

How about ivf? Those unused cells are disposed. They're committing murder?
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so you gave me a growing as a characteristic but a feotus that grows is not a living thing. so what is your criteria actually? we haven’t even laid down a strict definition and you want to jump to rights and murder already.
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 5 2024, 07:46 PM)
so you gave me a growing as a characteristic but a feotus that grows is not a living thing. so what is your criteria actually? we haven’t even laid down a strict definition and you want to jump to rights and murder already.
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Simple. As long it's not out of the womb, not a human.

How hard is it?

Rights of the living is more important.

Are you one of those people membiak with 0 consequences?

Not everyone wish to be born you know.
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Mar 5 2024, 07:52 PM)
Simple. As long it's not out of the womb, not a human.

How hard is it?

Rights of the living is more important.

Are you one of those people membiak with 0 consequences?

Not everyone wish to be born you know.
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you’ve gone now from ‘living thing’ to ‘human’ which is a completely different argument. are you still maintaining that a feotus is not a living being?
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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ Mar 5 2024, 06:19 PM)
eveyone is so anti abortion until accidentally get or get someone pregnant

then go back alley find illegal, unsafe way to cabut

at least in france is legal
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It has been legal in France since the 70's. We're not talking about banning abortion. If you want to abort, you can in France.

We're talking amending the damn constitution to make it a right. It is overkill and make it seems like going to abortion so common as walking in the park.

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Great new! But France is expensive. Asia got ? Cheaper

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QUOTE(seather @ Mar 5 2024, 02:36 PM)
one extreme - slut abort willy nilly cause she likes to sleep around

the other extreme - underage victim denied abortion after being raped by father and the pregnancy will endanger her life

the internut really like to bring out both extremes. u two gangs sud get a room and have a FFA orgy + fight
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 08:16 PM)
It has been legal in France since the 70's. We're not talking about banning abortion. If you want to abort, you can in France.

We're talking amending the damn constitution to make it a right. It is overkill and make it seems like going to abortion so common as walking in the park.
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Legality and constitutional is different I know

But why France did it was the same reason the US should have done it

The right wing are always gunning to remove abortion rights, and in the US they managed to do just that.

Raped people need to travel to different states to get abortion there now, even a 9 year old.

What france did was to make sure the legality of it is enshrined in the constitution as a constitutional amendment is much harder to pass through than a legality change

It doesn't change the frequency of abortion, it will stay the same, it just secures its access in the future when a fascist wins the presidency
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 5 2024, 08:07 PM)
you’ve gone now from ‘living thing’ to ‘human’ which is a completely different argument. are you still maintaining that a feotus is not a living being?
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Mar 5 2024, 08:36 PM)
Yes.
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and yet you still can’t define what a living thing is. I only hope you approach the rest of the things in your life with more rigour.
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 5 2024, 08:41 PM)
and yet you still can’t define what a living thing is. I only hope you approach the rest of the things in your life with more rigour.
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I just gave you the definition.

If you think a clump of cells are a living being, I suggest you don't waste your sperm.


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QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ Mar 5 2024, 08:24 PM)
Legality and constitutional is different I know

But why France did it was the same reason the US should have done it

The right wing are always gunning to remove abortion rights, and in the US they managed to do just that.

Raped people need to travel to different states to get abortion there now, even a 9 year old.

What france did was to make sure the legality of it is enshrined in the constitution as a constitutional amendment is much harder to pass through than a legality change

It doesn't change the frequency of abortion, it will stay the same, it just secures its access in the future when a fascist wins the presidency
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Abortion has never been challenged in France since the 70's. In fact they have kept expanding it. They don't need to amend the constitution for this. It was done to circumvent any one even trying to question it.

I don't see them amending the constitution for prostitution? Why is that? Woman have a right to choose their profession is it not? Anyway, I'm just mad that they touch the constitution for this. It is very unnecessary and make it like as important as right to vote.

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Would rather kids not brought into a life unwanted by their mothers.
A woman who keep aborting will eventually unable to bear one anymore anyway
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Mar 5 2024, 08:47 PM)
I just gave you the definition.

If you think a clump of cells are a living being, I suggest you don't waste your sperm.
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Are you involved in abortion-related business ? just asking

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Mar 5 2024, 08:47 PM)
I just gave you the definition.

If you think a clump of cells are a living being, I suggest you don't waste your sperm.
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and your definition does not fit the behaviour of a feotus.
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You rather have kes buang bayi or orphans?
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Aaand those who champion baby rights ain't gonna do shit on solving abandoned baby problems
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 08:48 PM)
Abortion has never been challenged in France since the 70's. In fact they have kept expanding it. They don't need to amend the constitution for this. It was done to circumvent any one even trying to question it.

I don't see them amending the constitution for prostitution? Why is that? Woman have a right to choose their profession is it not? Anyway, I'm just mad that they touch the constitution for this. It is very unnecessary and make it like as important as right to vote.
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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Mar 5 2024, 08:55 PM)
Aaand those who champion baby rights ain't gonna do shit on solving abandoned baby problems
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Shhhhh don't la call them out like that. Wanna see if any argue until kena sus
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Shhhhh don't la call them out like that. Wanna see if any argue until kena sus
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Abortion has never been banned in France you knumbskull. You can abort puas2 in France even before they amend the constitution.

And there is no abandoned baby in France since abortion is legal right?
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 09:37 PM)
Abortion has never been banned in France you knumbskull. You can abort puas2 in France even before they amend the constitution.

And there is no abandoned baby in France since abortion is legal right?
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Retardation started already so fast
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Good, let amdk abort all their fetus while Arabian/african keep breeding 10 children each

Destruction of West come even sooner

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Retardation started already so fast
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You don't even understand the crux of the issue but pretend smart.

What France is doing is elevate abortion to be a right in the constitution. Just like how the right to bear arms is in USA.

Abortion has been legal in France since the 70s, look it up.

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 09:43 PM)
You don't even understand the crux of the issue but pretend smart.

What France is doing is elevate abortion to be a right in the constitution. Just like how the right to bear arms is in USA.

Abortion has been legal in France since the 70s, look it up.
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I like how you keep picking my opinions for me when I'm not even interested on the topic

Wanna pick waifu for me also? I want chun one pls
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I like how you keep picking my opinions for me when I'm not even interested on the topic

Wanna pick waifu for me also? I want chun one pls
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I don't like it but I hate dumb even more.

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So many retards talk about fetus rights but won't adopt orphans, and when the baby turn out to be LGBT will vote for laws that kill them.

Remember in Malaysia even a simple law like giving free food to school kids also a lot people against.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ts-says-mazlee/

If you want give birth then you give birth la, the womens body is their body they have full 100% autonomy what to do with whatever they want with that body. The fetus is a human or not is irrelevant another human don't have the right to live in another human body.

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 09:46 PM)
I don't like it but I hate dumb even more.
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I support this. It is their body, why guys sibuk want to control women pulak.

Guys fap into drain no one complain pun.
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 5 2024, 09:37 PM)
Abortion has never been banned in France you knumbskull. You can abort puas2 in France even before they amend the constitution.

And there is no abandoned baby in France since abortion is legal right?
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Since when abortion is legal will completely solve abandoned baby problem? Its another measure to help alleviate this problem
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what are the conditions for abortion?
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Are you involved in abortion-related business ? just asking

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Not everyone wants to be born
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Mar 5 2024, 09:41 PM)
Good, let amdk abort all their fetus while Arabian/african keep breeding 10 children each

Destruction of West come even sooner
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You noticed too that the Western civilization and people now in middle of being wiped out?

The BLM who is invading their country with the help of their Jewish cousins are slowly genocide them, not just keep promoting diversity through mass migration of African/Middle East/South Asians into their countries, but legalizing abortion and encouraging their senior citizens to faster sign up voluntary suicide(euthanasia).


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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 6 2024, 12:25 AM)
You noticed too that the Western civilization and people now in middle of being wiped out?

The BLM who is invading their country with the help of their Jewish cousins are slowly genocide them, not just keep promoting diversity through mass migration of African/Middle East/South Asians into their countries, but legalizing abortion and encouraging their senior citizens to faster sign up voluntary suicide(euthanasia).
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Its fine. West "civilization" is just a blip in the historical record, compared to Chinese civilization
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Its fine. West "civilization" is just a blip in the historical record, compared to Chinese civilization
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Even their churches also infiltrated by Commie Zionist lunatics like this spiritual advisor pastor to Trump. Biden's camp don't say la also pro BLM.

America is so fcuked now.



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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 5 2024, 09:46 PM)
So many retards talk about fetus rights but won't adopt orphans, and when the baby turn out to be LGBT will vote for laws that kill them.

Remember in Malaysia even a simple law like giving free food to school kids also a lot people against.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ts-says-mazlee/

If you want give birth then you give birth la, the womens body is their body they have full 100% autonomy what to do with whatever they want with that body. The fetus is a human or not is irrelevant another human don't have the right to live in another human body.
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so in order to determine whether the feotus has a right to stay in the mother’s body, you have to first decide whether it is human before you can make a statement on human-in-human living rights. no? otherwise how can your last paragraph make sense?

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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 11:17 AM)
so in order to determine whether the feotus has a right to stay in the mother’s body, you have to first decide whether it is human before you can make a statement on human-in-human living rights. no? otherwise how can your last paragraph make sense?
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It's irrelevant is my main point. Nobody has the right to force another person to give up their body autonomy.

If your blood can save me, should the government force you to give me blood? No

If your liver can save me, should the government force you to donate your liver?

The women have the full 100% right to decide what to do with her body no matter if the lump cells is a human or a parasite.

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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 6 2024, 11:38 AM)
It's irrelevant is my main point. Nobody has the right to force another person to give up their body autonomy.

If your blood can save me, should the government force you to give me blood? No

If your liver can save me, should the government force you to donate your liver?

The women have the full 100% right to decide what to do with her body no matter if the lump cells is a human or a parasite.
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of course it's relevant. if it's a living thing like a parasite or a tumour, there are no rights to talk about. if the feotus is a human, there must be at least a conversation about their rights too.

when does one's set of rights supersede the other's? you can't have that discussion if you can't even decide that the feotus is alive, let alone a human.
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 11:57 AM)
of course it's relevant. if it's a living thing like a parasite or a tumour, there are no rights to talk about. if the feotus is a human, there must be at least a conversation about their rights too.

when does one's set of rights supersede the other's? you can't have that discussion if you can't even decide that the feotus is alive, let alone a human.
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Nope. Even if it's aliive it has no rights to live in another human if the person don't allow.

You're a living human being, can I just force you to give me your kidney because I need it to stay alive?

Even if it's a tumor, if the woman don't want to go through surgery to remove it you also cannot force her to go surgery.
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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 6 2024, 11:59 AM)
Nope. Even if it's aliive it has no rights to live in another human if the person don't allow.

You're a living human being, can I just force you to give me your kidney because I need it to stay alive?

Even if it's a tumor, if the woman don't want to go through surgery to remove it you also cannot force her to go surgery.
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the baby has a right to live. you are not allowed to take away their life. without further nuance, there’s no need to argue as it’s just going to be yes vs. no.
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 12:21 PM)
the baby has a right to live. you are not allowed to take away their life. without further nuance, there’s no need to argue as it’s just going to be yes vs. no.
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Yes the baby has a right to live outside the body. So the baby can fuck right off, aborted outside. Go breathe eat on its own.

The baby has no right to live in another person's body

I ask you again, if I force you to donate your liver kidney to me will you be okay? I have the right to live too.
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Men arguing on how women should manage their own body doh.gif

The only things that should be considered when it comes to abortion is the person carrying that clump of cells - her health, mental health, wants, needs, desires and believes.

Everything else is irrelevant. It is not a baby until it is born.

Not everyone wants to be born. Not everyone should have kids. Especially if they themselves know they do not want kids. What good will it do to give birth to a baby that has parents who are only parents because they were forced to, and not because they want to. Google 'regretful parents' and look at all those stories.
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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 6 2024, 12:23 PM)
Yes the baby has a right to live outside the body. So the baby can fuck right off, aborted outside. Go breathe eat on its own.

The baby has no right to live in another person's body

I ask you again, if I force you to donate your liver kidney to me will you be okay? I have the right to live too.
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you are arguing from false equivalence. the transaction of a feotus and a mother is different from the transaction of a kidney and 2 adults.

just the fact that the baby has no choice in the matter should tell you that the 2 situations are not comparable.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Mar 6 2024, 12:43 PM)
Men arguing on how women should manage their own body  doh.gif

The only things that should be considered when it comes to abortion is the person carrying that clump of cells - her health, mental health, wants, needs, desires and believes.

Everything else is irrelevant. It is not a baby until it is born.

Not everyone wants to be born. Not everyone should have kids. Especially if they themselves know they do not want kids. What good will it do to give birth to a baby that has parents who are only parents because they were forced to, and not because they want to. Google 'regretful parents' and look at all those stories.
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that's such a flawed assessment. the creature already moves, kicks, smiles, and recognises their parent's voices well before they are out of the womb. so you are taking the stance that they have no rights until the moment they leave the birth canal? that's such an arbitrary determination and doesn't reflect what the baby/fetus/creature is and how it grows.

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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 12:44 PM)
you are arguing from false equivalence. the transaction of a feotus and a mother is different from the transaction of a kidney and 2 adults.

just the fact that the baby has no choice in the matter should tell you that the 2 situations are not comparable.
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The baby has a choice to live outside on its own breathe on its own eat on its own. It has no right to live inside another person.
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 12:57 PM)
that's such a flawed assessment. the creature already moves, kicks, smiles, and recognises their parent's voices well before they are out of the womb. so you are taking the stance that they have no rights until the moment they leave the birth canal? that's such an arbitrary determination and doesn't reflect what the baby/fetus/creature is and how it grows.
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It doesn't matter. What matters is what the women wants.

That creature might not even survive when it comes out. I would say until it takes it first breathe, then it's a human.
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The baby has a choice to live outside on its own breathe on its own eat on its own. It has no right to live inside another person.
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it does not have a choice. a newborn is useless and helpless. it doesn’t even know it has fingers.

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Mar 6 2024, 01:07 PM)
It doesn't matter. What matters is what the women wants.

That creature might not even survive when it comes out. I would say until it takes it first breathe, then it's a human.
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it does matter. and as usual, it will boil down to yes vs no x infinity

I will just add my opinion that it is human from the moment of conception.

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it does not have a choice. a newborn is useless and helpless. it doesn’t even know it has fingers.
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A newborn is not a fetus. A newborn can breathe can cry can suck on tits. A fetus can't do all that.

We are talking about fetuses.
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post Mar 6 2024, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 6 2024, 01:53 PM)
A newborn is not a fetus. A newborn can breathe can cry can suck on tits. A fetus can't do all that.

We are talking about fetuses.
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I’ll just change the word to fetus. does that functionally change my point? it’s still useless and helpless. it has no choice.
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 01:59 PM)
I’ll just change the word to fetus. does that functionally change my point? it’s still useless and helpless. it has no choice.
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Yes a fetus can't live on its own therefore it's just a lump of cell, if it can then it shall live on machines and incubators.

It has no right to live in the mother's body if the mother don't want it.

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Mar 6 2024, 12:43 PM)
Men arguing on how women should manage their own body  doh.gif

The only things that should be considered when it comes to abortion is the person carrying that clump of cells - her health, mental health, wants, needs, desires and believes.

Everything else is irrelevant. It is not a baby until it is born.

Not everyone wants to be born. Not everyone should have kids. Especially if they themselves know they do not want kids. What good will it do to give birth to a baby that has parents who are only parents because they were forced to, and not because they want to. Google 'regretful parents' and look at all those stories.
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Yeap this is so true. People will cry and scream about rights of a fetus, and then vehemently against law that provide women with more paid maternity leave, will be against free food for babies, will be against taking up orphans adoption.
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France has also outlawed DNA testing for paternity by married men. So many French men are caring for their wives' affair children.
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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 6 2024, 02:01 PM)
Yes a fetus can't live on its own therefore it's just a lump of cell, if it can then it shall live on machines and incubators.

It has no right to live in the mother's body if the mother don't want it.
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a newborn can’t live on its own either.

can you see my point? classifying a fetus and a newborn is almost arbitrary. it is practically a fully formed human being well before leaving the mother. so why would you let such a soft distinction as in and out of the mother prevent you from assigning humanity to it?
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I’d rather more countries legalise euthanasia
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 02:08 PM)
a newborn can’t live on its own either.

can you see my point? classifying a fetus and a newborn is almost arbitrary. it is practically a fully formed human being well before leaving the mother. so why would you let such a soft distinction as in and out of the mother prevent you from assigning humanity to it?
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Wow. A newborn can be fed and breathe with machines and a willing third party

Lol tell me how those mother that died during childbirth their newborn live in incubators ot taken care by hospital nurses and doctors?

A fetus cannot. A fetus is a parasite in the mother's body, it feed on the mother's nutrition and blood and oxygen.

This is a newborn that's depending on machines to live

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This is a fetus.

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Damn cavalier you guys talking about babies and fetuses like its a rat or something. Don't like just kill it. KNNCCCB, I bet you wish your parents did that to you too.

Very depressing thread, like a morgue.

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Mar 6 2024, 02:11 PM)
Damn cavalier you guys talking about babies and fetuses like its a rat or something. Don't like just kill it. KNNCCCB, I bet you wish your parents did that to you too.

Very depressing thread, like a morgue.
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Generally these men are those who wan to pancut dalam but dowan to deal with a child. So they advise the women to kill it in the womb. All in the name of female liberation. Actually they oni wan their liberation. For them such women are outlets for their lusty desires.

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When the people dont make a stand about anything, everything will burn down.

Next their restaurant will burn down.
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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 6 2024, 02:11 PM)
Wow. A newborn can be fed and breathe with machines and a willing third party

Lol tell me how those mother that died during childbirth their newborn live in incubators ot taken care by hospital nurses and doctors?

A fetus cannot. A fetus is a parasite in the mother's body, it feed on the mother's nutrition and blood and oxygen.

This is a newborn that's depending on machines to live

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a fetus is an unborn human. search it. that’s the actual definition.

so whether it needs machines to live or whatever measure you want to use, there is no way to adequately determine when you want to call it human.

in that case, call it human from the moment it’s conceived, give it rights, and take the conversation from there.
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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 02:25 PM)
a fetus is an unborn human. search it. that’s the actual definition.

so whether it needs machines to live or whatever measure you want to use, there is no way to adequately determine when you want to call it human.

in that case, call it human from the moment it’s conceived, give it rights, and take the conversation from there.
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Good. We can agree fetus is a unborn human therefore it is not not human la......lol.

fetus
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fetus
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an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
"adequate folic acid is important for the developing fetus"
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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 6 2024, 02:30 PM)
Good. We can agree fetus is a unborn human therefore it is not not human la......lol.

fetus
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an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
"adequate folic acid is important for the developing fetus"
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that’s literally the opposite of what I said.

do not use birth to determine when it is human. call it human the moment it’s conceived. the human is called a fetus in the womb, and called a baby when it’s delivered. regardless of its stage of development or environment, it is human.

I don’t know how to make it any clearer.
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post Mar 6 2024, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(dckm @ Mar 6 2024, 02:36 PM)
that’s literally the opposite of what I said.

do not use birth to determine when it is human. call it human the moment it’s conceived. the human is called a fetus in the womb, and called a baby when it’s delivered. regardless of its stage of development or environment, it is human.

I don’t know how to make it any clearer.
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You can't be making up definition and changing meaning of how things work to suit your believe.

If you want to believe a fetus is a human being then it's up to you. But reality is not on your side.


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post Mar 6 2024, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(NathanJeans @ Mar 6 2024, 02:37 PM)
You can't be making up definition and changing meaning of how things work to suit your believe.

If you want to believe a fetus is a human being then it's up to you. But reality is not on your side.
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but that’s what you have been doing. why must you play word games like “human when it’s out of the womb”, or “human when it can live off a machine”.

on the other hand, I am being consistent. it is human from the beginning. that’s it. how is that not reality? it’s a definition that does not contradict, instead it gives context to a decision like abortion.

 

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