so in order to determine whether the feotus has a right to stay in the mother’s body, you have to first decide whether it is human before you can make a statement on human-in-human living rights. no? otherwise how can your last paragraph make sense?

of course it's relevant. if it's a living thing like a parasite or a tumour, there are no rights to talk about. if the feotus is a human, there must be at least a conversation about their rights too.

when does one's set of rights supersede the other's? you can't have that discussion if you can't even decide that the feotus is alive, let alone a human.

the baby has a right to live. you are not allowed to take away their life. without further nuance, there’s no need to argue as it’s just going to be yes vs. no.

you are arguing from false equivalence. the transaction of a feotus and a mother is different from the transaction of a kidney and 2 adults.

just the fact that the baby has no choice in the matter should tell you that the 2 situations are not comparable.

it does not have a choice. a newborn is useless and helpless. it doesn’t even know it has fingers.

I’ll just change the word to fetus. does that functionally change my point? it’s still useless and helpless. it has no choice.

Men arguing on how women should manage their own body 

The only things that should be considered when it comes to abortion is the person carrying that clump of cells - her health, mental health, wants, needs, desires and believes.

Everything else is irrelevant. It is not a baby until it is born.

Not everyone wants to be born. Not everyone should have kids. Especially if they themselves know they do not want kids. What good will it do to give birth to a baby that has parents who are only parents because they were forced to, and not because they want to. Google 'regretful parents' and look at all those stories.

a newborn can’t live on its own either.

can you see my point? classifying a fetus and a newborn is almost arbitrary. it is practically a fully formed human being well before leaving the mother. so why would you let such a soft distinction as in and out of the mother prevent you from assigning humanity to it?

a fetus is an unborn human. search it. that’s the actual definition.

so whether it needs machines to live or whatever measure you want to use, there is no way to adequately determine when you want to call it human.

in that case, call it human from the moment it’s conceived, give it rights, and take the conversation from there.

that’s literally the opposite of what I said.

do not use birth to determine when it is human. call it human the moment it’s conceived. the human is called a fetus in the womb, and called a baby when it’s delivered. regardless of its stage of development or environment, it is human.

I don’t know how to make it any clearer.