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post Feb 22 2024, 11:01 AM, updated 2y ago

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If slowpoke i kolos

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post Feb 22 2024, 11:02 AM

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rm200k for performance model

not bad except the 7kwh AC charging sad.gif
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:02 AM

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Bukan isu slowpoke or fastpoke. Isu sebenar ialah "the fb post is no longer available".
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:03 AM

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vs tesla ?
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:03 AM

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200k can smoke most of the sports car on the road liao.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:03 AM

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200k for tongsan car.. kek sial
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:03 AM

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inb4 tambah sikit baik beli...
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:04 AM

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let the EV price war begin
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:04 AM

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i saw few seals in hadyai

very nice look on the road

tapi interior so china-ish
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:05 AM

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3.8s for under 200k, apa lagi you mau. Smart #1 brabus pun kalah.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(asphiroth @ Feb 22 2024, 11:04 AM)
i saw few seals in hadyai

very nice look on the road

tapi interior so china-ish
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yeah the interior just not here not there.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:06 AM

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The AC charging should have been better. 11kW at least.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:09 AM

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In terms of charging, both the Premium ER and Performance AWD feature 7 kw AC Type 2 charging, and the charging time needed to get the unit from 0-100% SoC is up, in this case 15.2 hours. With DC charging at a maximum rate of 150 kW, it takes 37 minutes needed to get the battery from a 10 to 80% state of charge (SoC).

This charging speed if don't have home charger cannot la. 15 hours charging with normal wall charger wtf

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post Feb 22 2024, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:05 AM)
3.8s for under 200k, apa lagi you mau. Smart #1 brabus pun kalah.
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model3 competitor kan?
so model3 price?
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 22 2024, 11:10 AM)
model3 competitor kan?
so model3 price?
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yes, meant to fight not only model3, but also i4 biggrin.gif

6.1s model 3 for rm189k, while 4.4s model 3 for rm218k.

This is just purely performance comparison only but seriously under 4s for under 200k? rclxms.gif
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:16 AM)
yes, meant to fight not only model3, but also i4  biggrin.gif

6.1s model 3 for rm189k, while 4.4s model 3 for rm218k.

This is just purely performance comparison only but seriously under 4s for under 200k? rclxms.gif
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okay so

#1 price/seconds
Seal 180k/3.3s
Model3 218k/4.4s
i4 price/seconds

if talk purely pickup and price seal mcm not bad
but top range seal topup can get model3, more clout kan?
200k could be able to get model5 plaid recon kan?
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Feb 22 2024, 11:06 AM)
The AC charging should have been better. 11kW at least.
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BYD need to keep the price low and competitive. Imagine this is priced higher than Model 3.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(LovelyPotato @ Feb 22 2024, 11:09 AM)
This charging speed if don't have home charger cannot la. 15 hours charging with normal wall charger wtf
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15 hours is with home charger la. What u tok
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Feb 22 2024, 11:03 AM)
200k can smoke most of the sports car on the road liao.
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even 99k dophin can smoke most shitbox with loud exhaust at traffic light
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Feb 22 2024, 11:22 AM)
15 hours is with home charger la. What u tok
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15 hours is damn long. Imagine you have a long distance drive tomorrow. Max can charge at home around 12 hours before departing. Not even full yet. Remember, once it hits 80%, the charging lagi slows down.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:24 AM

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Just googled on it! biggrin.gif

not bad, pretty good looking exterior wise.

Interior is not bad, except for the speedo meter, looks like an after thought or just kinda chuck in there?! hmmm

https://www.byd.com/eu/blog/How-the-BYD-SEA...ric-saloon.html
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:25 AM

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3.8sec Rm200k. Lambo also cry
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:21 AM)
BYD need to keep the price low and competitive. Imagine this is priced higher than Model 3.
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imagine byd have AP exempted like tesla, fuhh the price
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QUOTE(Juggerballz @ Feb 22 2024, 11:24 AM)
15 hours is damn long. Imagine you have a long distance drive tomorrow. Max can charge at home around 12 hours before departing. Not even full yet. Remember, once it hits 80%, the charging lagi slows down.
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Usually once you reach home you will plug in. So the scenario to charge from 0 to full is slim.
Alternatively there's DC charger.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:27 AM

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post Feb 22 2024, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 22 2024, 11:20 AM)
okay so

#1 price/seconds
Seal 180k/3.3s
Model3 218k/4.4s
i4 price/seconds

if talk purely pickup and price seal mcm not bad
but top range seal topup can get model3, more clout kan?
200k could be able to get model5 plaid recon kan?
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but this is just number on paper. We don't know if 3.8s is achievable or not, which is another story. Sub 5s is plentily fast, for me.

don't talk recon/used la....these cars depreciate quite fast also. For all you know, you could get 20k discount with BYD during year end tongue.gif
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Jasonist @ Feb 22 2024, 11:03 AM)
200k for tongsan car.. kek sial
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Spotted quite a number at Thai.

When some people still making fun of them
They already conquer the market

The design are fucking ugly in Atto3, but with the domination, they can do a lot improvement in the next coming decade.

That time when the automotive are only china variant leftover for you to choose
im not sure can we can laugh again anymore


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post Feb 22 2024, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 22 2024, 11:25 AM)
imagine byd have AP exempted like tesla, fuhh the price
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fuhhh....straight eat into C-segment territory also
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:33 AM

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post Feb 22 2024, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:29 AM)
but this is just number on paper. We don't know if 3.8s is achievable or not, which is another story. Sub 5s is plentily fast, for me.

don't talk recon/used la....these cars depreciate quite fast also. For all you know, you could get 20k discount with BYD during year end tongue.gif
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next year

[wts] byd seal....lady driver....low mileage.....deposit 5k......sambung bayar
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(yolldddd @ Feb 22 2024, 11:27 AM)
Need to buy

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post Feb 22 2024, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 22 2024, 11:20 AM)
okay so

#1 price/seconds
Seal 180k/3.3s
Model3 218k/4.4s
i4 price/seconds

if talk purely pickup and price seal mcm not bad
but top range seal topup can get model3, more clout kan?
200k could be able to get model5 plaid recon kan?
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:37 AM

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its cool to drive tesla

byd

got street cred?
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Juggerballz @ Feb 22 2024, 11:24 AM)
15 hours is damn long. Imagine you have a long distance drive tomorrow. Max can charge at home around 12 hours before departing. Not even full yet. Remember, once it hits 80%, the charging lagi slows down.
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80% slow down is on a fast charger lah. Home charger speed is the same from 0 to 100

But have to remember its a 80+kWh battery, so no need to full also takpe

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QUOTE(Juggerballz @ Feb 22 2024, 11:24 AM)
15 hours is damn long. Imagine you have a long distance drive tomorrow. Max can charge at home around 12 hours before departing. Not even full yet. Remember, once it hits 80%, the charging lagi slows down.
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7 kW AC are for sure slower than Tesla models. But remember, you own a petrol station at home. That is way more convenient than ICE car.

You dont hear much complain from current home charger EV user that lack of distance.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:39 AM

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Thailand i see many seal on the road.
veli nice. now price also veli nice.
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Feb 22 2024, 11:37 AM)
its cool to drive tesla

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Looking at the Atto3 users on the road, I think they are enjoying their rides.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 22 2024, 11:06 AM)
yeah the interior just not here not there.
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wait few years. they getting there. dolphin launch last year much worse look. this year model improve sikit.



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I notice they didnt announce price for dynamic (lowest spec).
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Feb 22 2024, 11:37 AM)
its cool to drive tesla

byd

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tesla ada amoi
byd ada lalamoi
#1/i4 ada gaya brows.gif
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:44 AM

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BYD adds that the first 800 bookings for the EV will enjoy complimentary wallbox chargers and free Gentari/ChargEV charging credits worth RM800 while stocks last.

Moreover, the SEAL is also offered with an extensive warranty package, consisting of a 6-year or 150,000km vehicle warranty, an 8-year or 160,000km battery warranty, and an 8-year or 150,000km drive unit warranty.
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Feb 22 2024, 11:42 AM)
I notice they didnt announce price for dynamic (lowest spec).
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from pauline:

Despite earlier speculation that there would be three variants for Malaysia, the Seal arrives in two variant forms, as an extended range Premium and a range-topping Performance. Initially, it was intimated that the local range would follow that seen in Singapore, Thailand and Australia, but the base Dynamic has been omitted.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:46 AM

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Size comparable to civic?
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Feb 22 2024, 11:37 AM)
its cool to drive tesla

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should be able to softmod to hell... and then some.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:45 AM)
from pauline:

Despite earlier speculation that there would be three variants for Malaysia, the Seal arrives in two variant forms, as an extended range Premium and a range-topping Performance. Initially, it was intimated that the local range would follow that seen in Singapore, Thailand and Australia, but the base Dynamic has been omitted.
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if release, will be 169k? hmm.gif (too close to atto 3)
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:45 AM)
from pauline:

Despite earlier speculation that there would be three variants for Malaysia, the Seal arrives in two variant forms, as an extended range Premium and a range-topping Performance. Initially, it was intimated that the local range would follow that seen in Singapore, Thailand and Australia, but the base Dynamic has been omitted.
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No wonder. Good move.
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post Feb 22 2024, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:05 AM)
3.8s for under 200k, apa lagi you mau. Smart #1 brabus pun kalah.
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The lower specs model is just so bad and nowhere here or there. It’s like a bait to get ppl buying 200k model.
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I wait for Atto 2





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post Feb 22 2024, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Feb 22 2024, 11:46 AM)
Size comparable to civic?
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Camry size
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post Feb 22 2024, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Capt. Marble @ Feb 22 2024, 12:01 PM)
I wait for Atto 2




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Machiam very small, only ATIVA size?
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 12:04 PM)
Machiam very small, only ATIVA size?
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It says :
The vehicle measures 4310mm in length, 1830mm in width, and stands 1675 mm tall, resting on a 2620 mm wheelbase.

Meanwhile for Ativa :
Perodua Ativa 2024 has a length of 4065 mm mm, the width of 1710 mm mm, the height of 1635 mm mm, a wheelbase of 2525 mm mm and 200 mm mm ground clearance.

BYD Dolphin :
Length 4290 mm · Width 1770 mm · Height 1570 mm

X50 :
Length 4330 mm · Width 1800 mm · Height 1609 mm

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QUOTE(Capt. Marble @ Feb 22 2024, 12:07 PM)
It says :
The vehicle measures 4310mm in length, 1830mm in width, and stands 1675 mm tall, resting on a 2620 mm wheelbase.

Meanwhile for Ativa :
Perodua Ativa 2024 has a length of 4065 mm mm, the width of 1710 mm mm, the height of 1635 mm mm, a wheelbase of 2525 mm mm and 200 mm mm ground clearance.

BYD Dolphin :
Length 4290 mm · Width 1770 mm · Height 1570 mm
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I sit inside mah relatives’ ATTO3 before, it’s actually pretty cramped for a car of that size. I wonder how much worse will ATTO2 be
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 22 2024, 11:25 AM)
imagine byd have AP exempted like tesla, fuhh the price
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i believe the tax exemption is for all imported EV's. So BYD is enjoying it as well.
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Wait BYD Sotong RM120k only consider

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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 12:09 PM)
I sit inside mah relatives’ ATTO3 before, it’s actually pretty cramped for a car of that size. I wonder how much worse will ATTO2 be
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Oh I never had the chance to sit in one before. If that one is cramped, this should be smaller sad.gif
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:11 PM)
i believe the tax exemption is for all imported EV's. So BYD is enjoying it as well.
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AP =/= tax

AP = middleman charges for local cronies

One of the biggest tax on our cars are the excise tax, that one I think is currently waived for EVs.
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QUOTE(Capt. Marble @ Feb 22 2024, 12:12 PM)
Oh I never had the chance to sit in one before. If that one is cramped, this should be smaller sad.gif
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Its actually not cramped lah. Just slightly smaller than corolla cross rear legroom. But bigger than cx5
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this year ev will get cheaper, and semi solid state battery coming out soon.

i think hodl first, by later
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200k buy kembri better
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Feb 22 2024, 11:22 AM)
15 hours is with home charger la. What u tok
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I mean don’t have home charger means cannot charge at mall if stay condo. You need long hour charging at home only can work.

Comparing Tesla use 11kW AC can charge from 20-80 at mall in roughly 3-4 hours, so weekly charge at mall still can if don’t have home charger.

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post Feb 22 2024, 12:27 PM

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670 nm of torque! Gila la for that price sure gooding


I have diesel 440nm also dah gempak , cannot imagine how much gotta spend on replacement tire
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:18 PM)
this year ev will get cheaper, and semi solid state battery coming out soon.

i think hodl first, by later
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Dont think so. New tech announced, get into production, usually will take up years.

Enjoy the current tech je la.
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Same price with Tesla? Aiya missed opportunity liao
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:15 PM)
Its actually not cramped lah. Just slightly smaller than corolla cross rear legroom. But bigger than cx5
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Oh... I really have to sit sit and see myself then.
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Hrngg if got a big service center near me, sure buy
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:18 PM)
this year ev will get cheaper, and semi solid state battery coming out soon.

i think hodl first, by later
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This, there’s a price cut fest in tongsan, but sime barbie still die die price it like yahudi.
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:27 PM)
670 nm of torque! Gila la for that price sure gooding
I have diesel 440nm also dah gempak , cannot imagine how much gotta spend on replacement tire
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Pakai jeh linglong lah
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:05 AM)
3.8s for under 200k, apa lagi you mau. Smart #1 brabus pun kalah.
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i dont think smart has any intention to compete for speed
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Now is not the time to buy EVs.

EVs are going through deflation.
Price wars from manufacturers are driving prices down.
Buyers are waiting for more price cuts.
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JoeK trade in x50 get this 670nm torque, sure terpancut
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:27 PM)
670 nm of torque! Gila la for that price sure gooding
I have diesel 440nm also dah gempak , cannot imagine how much gotta spend on replacement tire
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it's AWD, so tires at least doesn't wear down that fast compared to RWD EVs

man these EVs are killing those luxury exotic cars like ferrari and lambo. not like you need to take high speed corners on normal roads.
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xiaomi cheaper but people still buy iphone
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Good pricing.... but too bad im looking for SUV

All EV SUV with more than 500km range now exp af

So I stick to ICE je
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Dont think so. New tech announced, get into production, usually will take up years.

Enjoy the current tech je la.
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and byd just cut another round of price few days ago in china. lithium price drop of course the car price got margin to cut some price.

and byd target 4.5 to 5 mil unit sales this year, of course cut price to maintain the volume. just that dont know they will do so for oversea export or not
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Ini baru 7kWh biar betik
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QUOTE(kembayang @ Feb 22 2024, 12:54 PM)
10 year old Zoe AC charge 22kWh.
Ini baru 7kWh biar betik
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7kWh AC and 150kWh DC


Its like having a i7 / i9 CPU only to be let down by 8GB RAM kek
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Premium is good enough. 0-100kmh 6s only
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The lower specs model is just so bad and nowhere here or there. It’s like a bait to get ppl buying 200k model.
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both premium and performance models should be similarly equipped, no? Except performance comes with AWD and bigger motor. You will be getting the same safety suites, battery capacity, charging speeds, interior upholstery, etc.
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 01:15 PM)
both premium and performance models should be similarly equipped, no? Except performance comes with AWD and bigger motor. You will be getting the same safety suites, battery capacity, charging speeds, interior upholstery, etc.
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Yup. I think the premium is better buy, incase later gov announce ev roadtax based on how much power the car is outputting. Hailatt if u bought the performance variant
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 11:54 AM)
The lower specs model is just so bad and nowhere here or there. It’s like a bait to get ppl buying 200k model.
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Anyway just a note that both Model 3 and Seal are both very heavy and low ground clearence car. Think twice if your usual roads have high speed bumps, and also steep parking ramps
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Feb 22 2024, 12:48 PM)
Good pricing.... but too bad im looking for SUV

All EV SUV with more than 500km range now exp af

So I stick to ICE je
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QUOTE(Matchy @ Feb 22 2024, 01:26 PM)
wait for Song L... Model Y rival.


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Dont think they intend to sell this outside of China or to RHD market

More possible option is Sea Lion



But gonna be few more years for that I guess. I have to get a new car this year

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Dont think they intend to sell this outside of China or to RHD market

More possible option is Sea Lion



But gonna be few more years for that I guess. I have to get a new car this year
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service price almost same as normal ICE cars
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Dont bother taking the service package. Serious cakap as an owner. U alacarte the service is cheaper than buying package.

They are just targeting the unsuspecting..

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Dont bother taking the service package. Serious cakap as an owner. U alacarte the service is cheaper than buying package.

They are just targeting the unsuspecting..
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:39 PM)
80% slow down is on a fast charger lah. Home charger speed is the same from 0 to 100

But have to remember its a 80+kWh battery, so no need to full also takpe
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Boy, kedua2 model ini bateri size sama kah??

Maksudnya standard range 600km wltp per single charge?? ohmy.gif 😳😳

Basic model already range 600km satu kali cas… biar betik…

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 01:43 PM)
Boy, kedua2 model ini bateri size sama kah??

Maksudnya standard range 600km wltp per single charge?? ohmy.gif 😳😳

Basic model already range 600km satu kali cas… biar betik…
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Bawa 90km/h boleh la achieve topkek.

But u have over 500+ hp on tap, boleh kah tahan kaki not go over 100km/h.

Expect 400±km je when driving at 140-160
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Dont bother taking the service package. Serious cakap as an owner. U alacarte the service is cheaper than buying package.

They are just targeting the unsuspecting..
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I'm surprised that you can opt out the optional ones - what are those 'optional' maintenance for atto 3? So buy service package = optional + mandatory?

Usually dealers would recommend to customers to take up the service package in order to lock the service and labour cost, which is the only selling point.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 02:45 PM)
Bawa 90km/h boleh la achieve topkek.

But u have over 500+ hp on tap, boleh kah tahan kaki not go over 100km/h.

Expect 400±km je when driving at 140-160
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500+hp topkek… on a sub 200k car 😅😓

Which brand new ICE car can give that much power at rm200k…
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QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:27 PM)
Same price with Tesla? Aiya missed opportunity liao
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Bos…

Anneh baru check SA sent brochure…

Yuni seal the basic model battery size already give 82kwh… 😳😳😳

Its long range distance… 600km++ range per full charge…

Tesla model 3 standard range battery size wonly 60kwh….

Means this car really vakue for money.. the price shud have been rm200-210k to compete with model 3 long range….
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 11:39 AM)
80% slow down is on a fast charger lah. Home charger speed is the same from 0 to 100

But have to remember its a 80+kWh battery, so no need to full also takpe
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Tesla model 3 RWD 18inch wheel 57.5kwh battery WLTP 554km
Seal Premium version 82.5kwh battery WLTP 570km. Efficiency down the drain.

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service price almost same as normal ICE cars
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moreover with one pedal mode (hope its on par with tesla's), the brake pads hardly worn out, so macam not worth to take plus also.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 01:50 PM)
500+hp topkek… on a sub 200k car 😅😓

Which brand new ICE car can give that much power at rm200k…
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Need that much power for? You tekan all the way battery life gonna take a hit also. This is not like ICE where you can tekan without worries

QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 01:52 PM)
Bos…

Anneh baru check SA sent brochure…

Yuni seal the basic model battery size already give 82kwh… 😳😳😳

Its long range distance… 600km++ range per full charge…

Tesla model 3 standard range battery size wonly 60kwh….

Means this car really vakue for money.. the price shud have been rm200-210k to compete with model 3 long range….
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i tit should be significant less because very few moving parts
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Man this will sell like crazy man. People who were considering 3-series or C-class may also goyang... save money in the long run and get better performance. The only thing here may be the status symbol projected may not be at Tesla/BMW/Merc level yet coz of stigma associated with Chinese brands, but hopefully that goes away eventually.

You look at iX3, iX, EQA, EQB, EQC, i4 pricing, cannot even compete.

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 22 2024, 02:53 PM)
Tesla model 3 RWD 18inch wheel 57.5kwh battery WLTP 554km
Seal Premium version 82.5kwh battery WLTP 570km. Efficiency down the drain.
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Model 3 lighter. 1.6 tons.

This one heavier. 2 tons.
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QUOTE(ping325 @ Feb 22 2024, 02:55 PM)
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Later gaduh at charging station.

Bmw and volvo ev owner scold byd seal driver, why u use chyna car?!!! 😡🤬

🤣🤣🤣

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 02:58 PM)
Man this will sell like crazy man. People who were considering 3-series or C-class may also goyang... save money in the long run and get better performance. The only thing here may be the status symbol projected may not be at Tesla/BMW/Merc level yet coz of stigma associated with Chinese brands, but hopefully that goes away eventually.

You look at iX3, iX, EQA, EQB, EQC, i4 pricing, cannot even compete.
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82kwh battery size at just rm180k!

Damn hhnnngghhhh!!

If got V2L fature damn nice. Can camping sleep yinside car masak2 with car plug 😍😍🥰
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 02:45 PM)
Bawa 90km/h boleh la achieve topkek.

But u have over 500+ hp on tap, boleh kah tahan kaki not go over 100km/h.

Expect 400±km je when driving at 140-160
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Young man…

Anneh drive highway max 100-110km saja briyani…

Lebey2 later kena scold by wife 😅🤣
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82kwh battery size at just rm180k!

Damn hhnnngghhhh!!

If got V2L fature damn nice. Can camping sleep yinside car masak2 with car plug 😍😍🥰
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I really hope Tesla and BYD compete the shit out of legacy manufacturers. You look at ICE like BMW X3 X4 don't even have ACC and 360 camera but their price really crazy.
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In 2 weeks, Tesla announce price drop by 15k. Hahaha

Something they are fond of doing.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 03:06 PM)
I really hope Tesla and BYD compete the shit out of legacy manufacturers. You look at ICE like BMW X3 X4 don't even have ACC and 360 camera but their price really crazy.
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Byd really aggressive lor like this…

Ditch the standard range seal, slap long range and name as premium as basic model. 82kwh battery. Put price 180km rm still below tesla m3 std range 🤣🤣🤣

Probably next year they ditch dolphin std range. Yitu extended range trus bekam rm99k starter ev car 😅😅
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QUOTE(delphine.88 @ Feb 22 2024, 02:00 PM)
Premium is good enough. 0-100kmh 6s only
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570km range full charge….

Anneh sudah terpanjut tadi 🤣🤣

Still price rm10k below model 3 standard range
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all so happy at the price..... but 7kwh AC charging and 150kwh DC charging only, its nearly unacceptable for EV of this age. And Seal is on 800V architecture, it doesnt make sense

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 02:09 PM)
Byd really aggressive lor like this…

Ditch the standard range seal, slap long range and name as premium as basic model. 82kwh battery. Put price 180km rm still below tesla m3 std range 🤣🤣🤣

Probably next year they ditch dolphin std range. Yitu extended range trus bekam rm99k starter ev car 😅😅
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perhaps, but smart has been singing the tune of 3.9s and 543Nm prior to the launch.
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570km range full charge….

Anneh sudah terpanjut tadi 🤣🤣

Still price rm10k below model 3 standard range
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Not to mention Tesla change to 19 inch another 9k,
Byd default 19inch dy No need pay extra for different color also
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 01:48 PM)
I'm surprised that you can opt out the optional ones - what are those 'optional' maintenance for atto 3? So buy service package = optional + mandatory?

Usually dealers would recommend to customers to take up the service package in order to lock the service and labour cost, which is the only selling point.
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Optional one all those stupid wiper la key remote battery la brake pad la. Dont bother with those at all. BYD malaysia banyak pattern, early adopter last time service 20k km had to pay rm300±, then they adjusted the price to be less than rm200. Can suka2 hati reduce price.

QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:53 PM)
Tesla model 3 RWD 18inch wheel 57.5kwh battery WLTP 554km
Seal Premium version 82.5kwh battery WLTP 570km. Efficiency down the drain.
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No doubt tesla wins efficiency wise. It iPhone vs Xiaomi all over again

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i saw few seals in hadyai

very nice look on the road

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Feb 22 2024, 02:19 PM)
all so happy at the price..... but 7kwh AC charging and 150kwh DC charging only, its nearly unacceptable for EV of this age. And Seal is on 800V architecture, it doesnt make sense
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Not sure if the 800V architecture is pure BS.... just doesn't make sense at all.
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I really hope Tesla and BYD compete the shit out of legacy manufacturers. You look at ICE like BMW X3 X4 don't even have ACC and 360 camera but their price really crazy.
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This is because of Malaysia stupid tax structure. They have to remove some features to reduce the car price.

You can see this in the EV version, which is tax free, those cars are fully loaded with every features they have.
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QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Feb 22 2024, 02:30 PM)
Not sure if the 800V architecture is pure BS.... just doesn't make sense at all.
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only reason is cost cutting... but really 800V architecture and that ancient charging speed doesn't add up

its like having a computer with i7 / i9 processor but only 8GB RAM

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Damn just RM10,000 diff from base Tesla, who would buy besides ultra tong san supporter

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Model 3 lighter. 1.6 tons.

This one heavier. 2 tons.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 01:58 PM)
Man this will sell like crazy man. People who were considering 3-series or C-class may also goyang... save money in the long run and get better performance. The only thing here may be the status symbol projected may not be at Tesla/BMW/Merc level yet coz of stigma associated with Chinese brands, but hopefully that goes away eventually.

You look at iX3, iX, EQA, EQB, EQC, i4 pricing, cannot even compete.
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This is because of Malaysia stupid tax structure. They have to remove some features to reduce the car price.

You can see this in the EV version, which is tax free, those cars are fully loaded with every features they have.
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Makes me think when the tax exemption expires next year, how much would this be? 300k? Who will buy then?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 02:27 PM)
Optional one all those stupid wiper la key remote battery la brake pad la. Dont bother with those at all. BYD malaysia banyak pattern, early adopter last time service 20k km had to pay rm300±, then they adjusted the price to be less than rm200. Can suka2 hati reduce price.
No doubt tesla wins efficiency wise. It iPhone vs Xiaomi all over again
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Hence efficiency down the drain
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Heavier car pekkona most stable.
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Damn just RM10,000 diff from base Tesla, who would buy besides ultra tong san supporter
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 02:03 PM)
82kwh battery size at just rm180k!

Damn hhnnngghhhh!!

If got V2L fature damn nice. Can camping sleep yinside car masak2 with car plug 😍😍🥰
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Useless 82kwh battery so big for nothing, can't even compete with base model Model 3 with only 57kwh. Exactly the same range. Efficiency is so poor and you have to wait much longer to charge. This is not counting that BYD only can charge 7KW on AC, which is so freaking slow 82/7 is more than 12 hours easily to fully charge.
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I really hope Tesla and BYD compete the shit out of legacy manufacturers. You look at ICE like BMW X3 X4 don't even have ACC and 360 camera but their price really crazy.
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Tesla byd is cheap because there is no tax

Not because bmw charge expensive
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 22 2024, 03:20 PM)
Useless 82kwh battery so big for nothing, can't even compete with base model Model 3 with only 57kwh. Exactly the same range. Efficiency is so poor and you have to wait much longer to charge. This is not counting that BYD only can charge 7KW on AC, which is so freaking slow 82/7 is more than 12 hours easily to fully charge.
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Feb 22 2024, 02:36 PM)
only reason is cost cutting... but really 800V architecture and that ancient charging speed doesn't add up

its like having a computer with i7 / i9 processor but only 8GB RAM
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kek, so you are the guy in fb group making the exact same comment.

7kw with smaller battery pack like on atto 3 probably still alright, but 82kwh? Europe and AU getting 11kw AC leh. Asia always have to accept inferior product.
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QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Feb 22 2024, 02:30 PM)
Not sure if the 800V architecture is pure BS.... just doesn't make sense at all.
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Absolutely doesn't make sense. Charging speed is so much slower than Tesla AND the efficiency is really so bad. 82kwh battery can only match 57.5kwh in range. The Tesla long range with the same 82kwh is over 100km extra in range. Either their aero design is much worse or the motor efficiency is really bad, or the software design. Doesn't make sense at all.

Get Tesla means you can drive for much further and charge much quicker. If argument is for EV to replace ICE car for long journeys also then Tesla is far far far ahead now.

Bonus: Tesla battery Vs BYD Blade battery construction. Clear to see which is better design




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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 22 2024, 03:33 PM)
Saw youtube neck to neck with Tesla Model 3 base
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Yeah that's what I said. Put in so big battery but can only achieve same as Tesla base model range.
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Yeah that's what I said. Put in so big battery but can only achieve same as Tesla base model range.
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Same like ipon 13 with 4gb ram still can kick ass

Efficiency is key

But honestly what’s the top speed ? 180kmh?
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 03:34 PM)
kek, so you are the guy in fb group making the exact same comment.

7kw with smaller battery pack like on atto 3 probably still alright, but 82kwh? Europe and AU getting 11kw AC leh. Asia always have to accept inferior product.
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AU also 7kW

Only EU get 11kW

But UK Seal performance is GBP 48700, almost rm300k

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Feb 22 2024, 03:33 PM)
Tesla byd is cheap because there is no tax

Not because bmw charge expensive
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 22 2024, 03:36 PM)
Yeah that's what I said. Put in so big battery but can only achieve same as Tesla base model range.
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kek, so you are the guy in fb group making the exact same comment.

7kw with smaller battery pack like on atto 3 probably still alright, but 82kwh? Europe and AU getting 11kw AC leh. Asia always have to accept inferior product.
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I think if your daily mileage under 100km and charge every night at home should still be enough (with 7k charger).

But whenever you went outstation to North or South, need to fork out money and time to charge with DC fast charge.

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 03:43 PM)
AU also 7kW

Only EU get 11kW

But UK Seal performance is GBP 48700, almost rm300k
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shocking.gif EU punya Seal got what additional stuff? Or it's just because of the additional tax levy on cars imported from china, like what US did?
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apa tax? only tesla exempted from AP, not byd
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Tesla exempted from AP so that they can setup direct company, unlike BYD need Sime Darby.
Both of them are taxless.
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Feb 22 2024, 03:41 PM)
Same like ipon 13 with 4gb ram still can kick ass

Efficiency is key

But honestly what’s the top speed ? 180kmh?
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Tesla 200kmh
BYD limited to 180kmh

Top speed irrelevant for EV la, acceleration is key
But even so not actually that different, basically the same for me. Carwow did test, BYD win maybe by a few cm in drag race but in gear acceleration Tesla win. Braking Tesla lose.



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Useless 82kwh battery so big for nothing, can't even compete with base model Model 3 with only 57kwh. Exactly the same range.


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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 03:49 PM)
shocking.gif EU punya Seal got what additional stuff? Or it's just because of the additional tax levy on cars imported from china, like what US did?
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Only the 11kW is additional. The rest is the same as ours.. the tax on cars from china maybe..
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Feb 22 2024, 03:50 PM)
Tesla exempted from AP so that they can setup direct company, unlike BYD need Sime Darby.
Both of them are taxless.
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Sometimes I bored waiting at traffic light I rev my car for fun.

With EV cannot already.
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Only the 11kW is additional. The rest is the same as ours.. the tax on cars from china maybe..
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Is it possible to pasang 11kW AC charger at home without going 3 phases?
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My home charger is 22kw one, but house 1 phase.. so connect to 1 wire instead of 3.. all charger can be setup like this
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7kW, or 11kW

Both of them can enjoy full battery after morning waking up lah deh.
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Is it possible to pasang 11kW AC charger at home without going 3 phases?
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 22 2024, 11:50 AM)
Tesla 200kmh
BYD limited to 180kmh

Top speed irrelevant for EV la, acceleration is key
But even so not actually that different, basically the same for me. Carwow did test, BYD win maybe by a few cm in drag race but in gear acceleration Tesla win. Braking Tesla lose.

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:18 PM)
Yup. I think the premium is better buy, incase later gov announce ev roadtax based on how much power the car is outputting. Hailatt if u bought the performance variant
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I find the Performance Variant more worth the money. But the heavier engine makes the tyre replacement faster plus one more point of engine failure since it has two.

QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:39 PM)
Dont bother taking the service package. Serious cakap as an owner. U alacarte the service is cheaper than buying package.

They are just targeting the unsuspecting..
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Actually EV cars don't really need much servicing, just see Tesla. But being Sime Darby if you don't send for service, they might not honour the warranty. Need confirmation on this.

This BYD Seal truly surprises me with the price. Considered "cheap" for the specs given. I really kick myself for changing my tyres before CNY. Now I have to wait 1 to 2 years before changing car and the value of ICE cars by then would deprecirate a lot more if EV can take off in Malaysia.

Why I prefer the Performance variant, the batter is LFP... meaning in theory can last longer. And the warranty period is longer and more comprehensive than Tesla. Just that the AACP performance don't know yet. Plus infomation on future automated driving details etc that lose out to Tesla. Tesla's Performance Variant is not LFP. BYD LFP can charge to 100% with no long term degration issues?

All in all I am really surprised Sime Darby price Seal so "cheap" with such long warranty period. Good, hope more competition means price will drop more!


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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 03:34 PM)
kek, so you are the guy in fb group making the exact same comment.

7kw with smaller battery pack like on atto 3 probably still alright, but 82kwh? Europe and AU getting 11kw AC leh. Asia always have to accept inferior product.
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u know i know ok already brows.gif

seriously the charging speed and efficiency is what making the Model 3 seems like a superior product

Seal can win by exterior and interior design only (up to preference)

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QUOTE(joeblow @ Feb 22 2024, 03:58 PM)
I find the Performance Variant more worth the money. But the heavier engine makes the tyre replacement faster plus one more point of engine failure since it has two.
Actually EV cars don't really need much servicing, just see Tesla. But being Sime Darby if you don't send for service, they might not honour the warranty. Need confirmation on this.

This BYD Seal truly surprises me with the price. Considered "cheap" for the specs given. I really kick myself for changing my tyres before CNY. Now I have to wait 1 to 2 years before changing car and the value of ICE cars by then would deprecirate a lot more if EV can take off in Malaysia.

Why I prefer the Performance variant, the batter is LFP... meaning in theory can last longer. And the warranty period is longer and more comprehensive than Tesla. Just that the AACP performance don't know yet. Plus infomation on future automated driving details etc that lose out to Tesla. Tesla's Performance Variant is not LFP. BYD LFP can charge to 100% with no long term degration issues?

All in all I am really surprised Sime Darby price Seal so "cheap" with such long warranty period. Good, hope more competition means price will drop more!
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if your ICE is still fine then just drive it. Petrol stations are not gonna close down anytime soon

if EV is really the way forward then in the next 5 - 10 years we would have much more superior products coming out
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 03:48 PM)
I think if your daily mileage under 100km and charge every night at home should still be enough (with 7k charger).

But whenever you went outstation to North or South, need to fork out money and time to charge with DC fast charge.
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8hrs of AC charge only provide 50% top up - essentially this Seal has to be plugged in more frequent than usual. Boasting 800V architecture but offer charging speeds not on par with current 400V-based EVs.

QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 03:53 PM)
Is it possible to pasang 11kW AC charger at home without going 3 phases?
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It's either single phase with 32A, or 3-phase at 16A to fully utilize the 7kw Seal OBC

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My home charger is 22kw one, but house 1 phase.. so connect to 1 wire instead of 3.. all charger can be setup like this
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...?? How oh?

Doesnt make sense. Single phase is maximum 240V x max 32A= 7.7kW round down to 7kW
How can be 22kW on single phase?
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 22 2024, 04:07 PM)
...?? How oh?

Doesnt make sense. Single phase is maximum 240V x max 32A= 7.7kW round down to 7kW
How can be 22kW on single phase?
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Ofc not getting 22kw on 1 phase lah. Only getting 7kw

If in future I decide to upgrade house to 3 phase, no need to buy another wallbox. Can just reconfigure
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QUOTE(joeblow @ Feb 22 2024, 03:58 PM)
I find the Performance Variant more worth the money. But the heavier engine makes the tyre replacement faster plus one more point of engine failure since it has two.
Actually EV cars don't really need much servicing, just see Tesla. But being Sime Darby if you don't send for service, they might not honour the warranty. Need confirmation on this.

This BYD Seal truly surprises me with the price. Considered "cheap" for the specs given. I really kick myself for changing my tyres before CNY. Now I have to wait 1 to 2 years before changing car and the value of ICE cars by then would deprecirate a lot more if EV can take off in Malaysia.

Why I prefer the Performance variant, the batter is LFP... meaning in theory can last longer. And the warranty period is longer and more comprehensive than Tesla. Just that the AACP performance don't know yet. Plus infomation on future automated driving details etc that lose out to Tesla. Tesla's Performance Variant is not LFP. BYD LFP can charge to 100% with no long term degration issues?

All in all I am really surprised Sime Darby price Seal so "cheap" with such long warranty period. Good, hope more competition means price will drop more!
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Current BYD users are being ripped off by Sime Darby with nonsensical service fees.

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Current BYD users are being ripped off by Sime Darby with nonsensical service fees.

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This one old fees, already drop to rm190 total parts + labour after kena viral

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so tempting to buy this car. so cheap. was planning to get tesla model 3 long range, but after looking at the pricing of BYD, fuhhh, terus rasa this is way more value for money. i would prefer the premium over the performance, as it gives more range, and the rest all the same. i don't need 3.8sec acceleration coz i still have the range anxiety with EV car. so this seal premium price at rm180k vs tesla m3 long range rm220k, fuh rm40k different woi.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 04:18 PM)
This one old fees, already drop to rm190 total parts + labour after kena viral
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what do they do actually during the service? since no oil kena tukar etc, what do they service? takkan tukar brakepad every year one.

and since u said u have byd, do u know does byd have single pedal with break regenerative like tesla m3?
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Thailand YouTube video, this car vs BMW 340i. Totally gone
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:21 PM)
what do they do actually during the service? since no oil kena tukar etc, what do they service? takkan tukar brakepad every year one.

and since u said u have byd, do u know does byd have single pedal with break regenerative like tesla m3?
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Check computer, inspect all cables and hoses, tighten bolts, update modules.

Refer here for part changes

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No one pedal driving, but got high regen function when driving, so I dont need to use the brake pedal when slowing down, only need to press brake when coming to a full stop
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:20 PM)
so tempting to buy this car. so cheap. was planning to get tesla model 3 long range, but after looking at the pricing of BYD, fuhhh, terus rasa this is way more value for money. i would prefer the premium over the performance, as it gives more range, and the rest all the same. i don't need 3.8sec acceleration coz i still have the range anxiety with EV car. so this seal premium price at rm180k vs tesla m3 long range rm220k, fuh rm40k different woi.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 22 2024, 04:23 PM)
Thailand YouTube video, this car vs BMW 340i. Totally gone
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Damn, can link? I remember CarWow Mat Watson tested M340i real 0–100 was around 3.9s when BMW claimed 4.4s so I was expecting them to be pretty close, with the BMW pulling away harder after around 140km/h
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 01:52 PM)
Bos…

Anneh baru check SA sent brochure…

Yuni seal the basic model battery size already give 82kwh… 😳😳😳

Its long range distance… 600km++ range per full charge…

Tesla model 3 standard range battery size wonly 60kwh….

Means this car really vakue for money.. the price shud have been rm200-210k to compete with model 3 long range….
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Hmmmm macam ok juga o, got news about the battery replacement cost ka
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 04:26 PM)
Damn, can link? I remember CarWow Mat Watson tested M340i real 0–100 was around 3.9s when BMW claimed 4.4s so I was expecting them to be pretty close, with the BMW pulling away harder after around 140km/h
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 04:24 PM)
Check computer, inspect all cables and hoses, tighten bolts, update modules.

Refer here for part changes

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No one pedal driving, but got high regen function when driving, so I dont need to use the brake pedal when slowing down, only need to press brake when coming to a full stop
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fuh rm8k++ service package just for this? mcm tak worth? but its for 8yrs. so hmmm hmm.gif

so for thee regenerative breaking, correct me if I'm wrong, it will recharge the battery say when we stuck in traffic right? example balik raya, jem on highway, the battery will recharge a bit2 kan?
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:46 PM)
fuh rm8k++ service package just for this? mcm tak worth? but its for 8yrs. so hmmm  hmm.gif

so for thee regenerative breaking, correct me if I'm wrong, it will recharge the battery say when we stuck in traffic right? example balik raya, jem on highway, the battery will recharge a bit2 kan?
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lol stuck in traffic or jam then battery can recharge? Power come from where? Unless downhill all the way

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 04:31 PM)

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Thanks boy. I also found this SG video... GTR and Huracan won Seal performance by only a hair. The rest including GT4 lost wow.


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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:46 PM)
fuh rm8k++ service package just for this? mcm tak worth? but its for 8yrs. so hmmm  hmm.gif

so for thee regenerative breaking, correct me if I'm wrong, it will recharge the battery say when we stuck in traffic right? example balik raya, jem on highway, the battery will recharge a bit2 kan?
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Ya thats why i said tak worth it at all those service package

The regen brake will recharge the battery, but on flat lands its not noticeable at all. U can only see the battery percentage go up if you turun Genting highlands
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I went and scoped out both Tesla and BYD today

If you are thinking of getting Tesla M3 SR , then the BYD Seal Premium won't make you change your mind. At least not for me

Maybe if M3 LR vs Seal Premium.. since you can save 40k

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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:46 PM)
fuh rm8k++ service package just for this? mcm tak worth? but its for 8yrs. so hmmm  hmm.gif

so for thee regenerative breaking, correct me if I'm wrong, it will recharge the battery say when we stuck in traffic right? example balik raya, jem on highway, the battery will recharge a bit2 kan?
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actually whats the point of 0-60 performance other than bragging rights? real world usage any significance?
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I went and scoped out both Tesla and BYD today

If you are thinking of getting Tesla M3 SR , then the BYD Seal Premium won't make you change your mind. At least not for me

Maybe if M3 LR vs Seal Premium.. since you can save 40k
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SR as long you okay with kereta putih and don’t upsize the rim then got a bit chance. Once you get those add on I feel byd all the way.

Also you need to remember Tesla has no sales rep. Loan, jpj, registration all Sendiri kautim. Byd the SA will help you settle.
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actually whats the point of 0-60 performance other than bragging rights? real world usage any significance?
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Can safely merge lane without annoying the cars behind.
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SR as long you okay with kereta putih and don’t upsize the rim then got a bit chance. Once you get those add on I feel byd all the way.

Also you need to remember Tesla has no sales rep. Loan, jpj, registration all Sendiri kautim. Byd the SA will help you settle.
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ah yes.. u are right.. have to consider those as well

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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Feb 22 2024, 04:57 PM)
Can safely merge lane without annoying the cars behind.
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that's not really 0 - 60 though. its not from standstill

but EV instant torque does help in this case
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SR as long you okay with kereta putih and don’t upsize the rim then got a bit chance. Once you get those add on I feel byd all the way.

Also you need to remember Tesla has no sales rep. Loan, jpj, registration all Sendiri kautim. Byd the SA will help you settle.
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So far deal breaker for the Seal is the slower charging, ADAS and service fees.. if ok with those then i guess its a no brainer
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 22 2024, 05:52 PM)
I went and scoped out both Tesla and BYD today

If you are thinking of getting Tesla M3 SR , then the BYD Seal Premium won't make you change your mind. At least not for me

Maybe if M3 LR vs Seal Premium.. since you can save 40k
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Wtf 😳😳

40k so big range price difference between seal long range and tesla m3 long range
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So far deal breaker for the Seal is the slower charging, ADAS and service fees.. if ok with those then i guess its a no brainer
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efficiency is a bigger consideration. and the software in BYD isn't known to be as refined as well
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 22 2024, 04:52 PM)
I went and scoped out both Tesla and BYD today

If you are thinking of getting Tesla M3 SR , then the BYD Seal Premium won't make you change your mind. At least not for me

Maybe if M3 LR vs Seal Premium.. since you can save 40k
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did u able to test drive the BYD Seal? does it drive better than Tesla M3? I test drove Tesla M3, i don't really fancy the road noise. i know the road noise can still be heard due to no engine base sound, but from utube review they say BYD Seal is even quieter compared to Tesla M3


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Lol regen braking means it will recharge while braking, and stopped charging when your car is stopped.
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Ya I know that. that's why i give example like slowly bawak time jem during raya, kan we drive sikit brake drive brake on traffic, so wanna know can see the impact of regen or not.


QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Feb 22 2024, 04:56 PM)
SR as long you okay with kereta putih and don’t upsize the rim then got a bit chance. Once you get those add on I feel byd all the way.

Also you need to remember Tesla has no sales rep. Loan, jpj, registration all Sendiri kautim. Byd the SA will help you settle.
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true also. and somewhat i heard tesla rep also not so helpful and very slow respond to customers enquiries. not sure bcoz of work burn out or what

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did u able to test drive the BYD Seal? does it drive better than Tesla M3? I test drove Tesla M3, i don't really fancy the road noise. i know the road noise can still here due to no engine base sound, but from utube review they say BYD Seal is even quieter compare to Tesla M3
Ya I know that. that's why i give example like slowly bawak time jem during raya, kan we drive sikit brake drive brake on traffic, so wanna know can see the impact of regen or not.
true also. and somewhat i heard tesla rep also not so helpful and very slow respond to customers enquiries. not sure bcoz of work burn out or what
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No sadly i didnt get to test drive the Seal yet..

I booked a test drive at the TRX launch tomorrow.. not sure if I'm going though

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did u able to test drive the BYD Seal? does it drive better than Tesla M3? I test drove Tesla M3, i don't really fancy the road noise. i know the road noise can still here due to no engine base sound, but from utube review they say BYD Seal is even quieter compare to Tesla M3
Ya I know that. that's why i give example like slowly bawak time jem during raya, kan we drive sikit brake drive brake on traffic, so wanna know can see the impact of regen or not.
true also. and somewhat i heard tesla rep also not so helpful and very slow respond to customers enquiries. not sure bcoz of work burn out or what
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Wtf 😳😳

40k so big range price difference between seal long range and tesla m3 long range
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 05:01 PM)
Wtf 😳😳

40k so big range price difference between seal long range and tesla m3 long range
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Bad comparison. Like comparing iPhone 15 Pro Max with Redmi 13c. One base model one top of the line. Base model to Base model only 10k difference, top spec to top spec only 20k diff
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Bad comparison. Like comparing iPhone 15 Pro Max with Redmi 13c. One base model one top of the line. Base model to Base model only 10k difference, top spec to top spec only 20k diff
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it's still the correct comparison.. Tesla LR vs BYD Seal Premium.. BYD Seal Performance should be compared to the soon to come Tesla M3 Performance

Also SD didn't release the Seal base model which is the Dynamic variant

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Can safely merge lane without annoying the cars behind.
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it's still the correct comparison.. Tesla LR vs BYD Seal Premium.. BYD Seal Performance should be compared to the soon to come Tesla M3 Performance

Also SD didn't release the Seal base model which is the Dynamic variant
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Comparable in what aspect?
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Comparable in what aspect?
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Range? Seal Premium has the highest range amongst the 3 variants

So is Tesla M3 LR among M3 variants
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Range? Seal Premium has the highest range amongst the 3 variants

So is Tesla M3 LR among M3 variants
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M3 LR WLTP 678km
Seal Premium WLTP 570km
M3 RWD WLTP 554km

Comparable?
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if thats the case more PRC people should be buying BYD instead of Porsche kek
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Face value is extremely important for the Chinese.
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 22 2024, 06:53 PM)
M3 LR WLTP 678km
Seal Premium WLTP 570km
M3 RWD WLTP 554km

Comparable?
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No im merely responding to another user comment stating comparing m3 LR to seal premium is comparing hi spec model vs base model

Both m3 LR and premium are mid range variants.. thats all

M3 SR VS SEAL DYNAMIC
M3 LR VS SEAL PREMIUM
M3 PERFORMANCE VS SEAL PERFORMANCE

I didnt say which one was better

Personally if price wasnt an issue i would get a Tesla

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Tesla standard range top up sikit can buy seal performance.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 04:31 PM)

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 04:52 PM)
Thanks boy. I also found this SG video... GTR and Huracan won Seal performance by only a hair. The rest including GT4 lost wow.


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= ICE-supercars > EV-supercars, horsepower for hp.

In the first place, why are the mass-manufacturers of EV-cars like BYD and Kia emphasizing on supercar performance ala Lamborghini, Ferrari or like high-performance Apple iPhones vs Android phones.? Shouldn't they cater more to the mass consumers and greenies.?
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P S - ICE-supercars are usually about 500kg lighter than similar EV-supercars, eg 1700kg vs 2200kg.
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 04:06 PM)
8hrs of AC charge only provide 50% top up - essentially this Seal has to be plugged in more frequent than usual. Boasting 800V architecture but offer charging speeds not on par with current 400V-based EVs.
It's either single phase with 32A, or 3-phase at 16A to fully utilize the 7kw Seal OBC
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So BYD Seal is much more of a long distance car then. hmm.gif
Go charge at DCFC 150kW, you will get ~90% of that at fastest charging time at ~18 minutes from 20-80%.

As for AC home charging, yes you have to settle for ~50-60% charge, since it’s a 7kW charger and can manage to charge say ~6-8 hours only.

This is definitely NOT what i wanted for a 800V charging architecture EV car.

Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 or Kia EV6 would win hands down (11kW AC OBC + 800V DCFC), but the PRICE could be more competitive though rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 22 2024, 07:07 PM)
No im merely responding to another user comment stating comparing m3 LR to seal premium is comparing hi spec model vs base model

Both m3 LR and premium are mid range variants.. thats all

M3 SR VS SEAL DYNAMIC
M3 LR VS SEAL PREMIUM
M3 PERFORMANCE VS SEAL PERFORMANCE

I didnt say which one was better

Personally if price wasnt an issue i would get a Tesla
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When one base variant better than high spec variant of other brand
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When one base variant better than high spec variant of other brand
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 22 2024, 06:53 PM)
M3 LR WLTP 678km
Seal Premium WLTP 570km
M3 RWD WLTP 554km

Comparable?
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According to the Tesla Malaysia website, the range of the Tesla Model 3 AWD (Price RM 218k) is 629km WLTP while the range of the Tesla Model 3 RWD (Price RM 189k) is 513km WLTP.

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let the EV price war begin
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Already started in US & EU!
Meanwhile in CCP, from 500 EV companies, going dwindling to 5 by 2026!

EV destroying the earth via rare earth mining!
The hypocrisy!
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Can buy this instead 340i and save rm200k+
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Amoi ask hey what u drive

U say I drive bmw then get blowjob roadside

If u drive seal she like ha u drive what again ?


But then 200k can use to be king in Thai for a few months
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Feb 22 2024, 08:16 PM)
Amoi ask hey what u drive

U say I drive bmw then get blowjob roadside

If u drive seal she like ha u drive what again ?
But then 200k can use to be king in Thai for a few months
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Pay 200k for a blow, not sure ROI
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 22 2024, 07:58 PM)
According to the Tesla Malaysia website, the range of the Tesla Model 3 AWD (Price RM 218k) is 629km WLTP while the range of the Tesla Model 3 RWD (Price RM 189k) is 513km WLTP.
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That's for 19in wheel. 18in standard range higher

https://www.google.com/amp/s/autonews.autou...-wltp-range.amp

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That's for 19in wheel. 18in standard range higher

https://www.google.com/amp/s/autonews.autou...-wltp-range.amp
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Not from the official Tesla website. If do any comparison, should be from official websites. Of course, everyone can have their own opinions, including "data" from other sources but then the source must be stated clearly.
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Not from the official Tesla website. If do any comparison, should be from official websites. Of course, everyone can have their own opinions, including "data" from other sources but then the source must be stated clearly.
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Tesla EU. Sendiri go google
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"Estimated" range for 18in wheel vs "Certified" range for 19in wheel. Got fine print here.
Tesla Aust website don't have the fine print.

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I think byd interior its ugly

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"Estimated" range for 18in wheel vs "Certified" range for 19in wheel. Got fine print here.
Tesla Aust website don't have the fine print.
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It is just testing procedure. Can u show me me real cert?
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I think both the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal are good EVs. Also it is good that both are available here as it provides competition in the market and choice for the potential customers. As to which is the preferred EV, I guess it is up to the individual. So long the individual is happy with his/her choice, that's all that matters.
Personally, I lean towards the BYD Seal Premium over the Tesla Model 3 AWD because
- Price. To me, a RM 40k difference between the Seal Premium vs the Tesla Model 3 AWD is significant, although there is a difference in the WLTP range in favour of the Tesla. Also the Tesla has dual motor but since I don't intend to speed, it makes no practical difference me.
- There is the uncertainty of the yet to be announced revised road tax for EVs. If it is still based on the horsepower then the dual motor of the Tesla AWD will attract a higher road tax compared to the single motor of the Seal Premium.
- No gear selector in the Tesla Model 3. Need to use the touchscreen to shift between Drive and Reverse. It is certainly possible to adjust and get used to it but to me the gear selector in the Seal is intuitively easier and quicker to use, especially when parking.
- The presence of the signal stalk in the Seal is again intuitively better than the signal buttons on the steering wheel of the Tesla.
- Not too concerned with either of the car interior. Whatever it is, will get used to it.
So, in summary, up to each and everyone to make their own choices.

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It is just testing procedure. Can u show me me real cert?
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3-5 years down the road will become a roadside junk.. come back and challenge me then. still a china made car.. hahaha.... Asadi still an asadi shoe... can compare to other mid or high end brand.
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What has the cert got to do with it? And why ask from me? Ask Tesla Malaysia!!
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I think both the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal are good EVs. Also it is good that both are available here as it provides competition in the market and choice for the potential customers. As to which is the preferred EV, I guess it is up to the individual. So long the individual is happy with his/her choice, that's all that matters.
Personally, I lean towards the BYD Seal Premium over the Tesla Model 3 AWD because
- Price. To me, a RM 40k difference between the Seal Premium vs the Tesla Model 3 AWD is significant, although there is a difference in the WLTP range in favour of the Tesla. Also the Tesla has dual motor but since I don't intend to speed, it makes no practical difference me.
- There is the uncertainty of the yet to be announced revised road tax for EVs. If it is still based on the horsepower then the dual motor of the Tesla AWD will attract a higher road tax compared to the single motor of the Seal Premium.
- No gear selector in the Tesla Model 3. Need to use the touchscreen to shift between Drive and Reverse. It is certainly possible to adjust and get used to it but to me the gear selector in the Seal is intuitively easier and quicker to use, especially when parking.
- The presence of the signal stalk in the Seal is again intuitively better than the signal buttons on the steering wheel of the Tesla.
- Not too concerned with either of the car interior. Whatever it is, will get used to it.
So, in summary, up to each and everyone to make their own choices.
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I wonder why u r comparing seal Premium with model 3 LR while it is more closely match model 3 rwd. If u like seal Premium go ahead and buy no need to justify so much here

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U said certified
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Check the Tesla website lah! Toggle the selection between 18in and 19in wheel.
Then ask Tesla Malaysia, not me.

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Check the Tesla website lah! Toggle the selection between 18in and 19in wheel.
Then ask Tesla Malaysia, not me.
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Just a test. All estimated anyway. Go buy seal Premium no need to justify here
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I wonder why u r comparing seal Premium with model 3 LR while it is more closely match model 3 rwd. If u like seal Premium go ahead and buy no need to justify so much here
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I am just giving my opinion. Just like you. My comparison is based on the longest range of both models.
As I said, to each his/her choice. I am not telling you what to do so so you don't tell me what to do.

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Just a test. All estimated anyway. Go buy seal Premium no need to justify here
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You asked a question. I answered.
Also no need to tell me what to do.
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QUOTE(voltan @ Feb 23 2024, 12:40 AM)
3-5 years down the road will become a roadside junk.. come back and challenge me then. still a china made car.. hahaha.... Asadi still an asadi shoe... can compare to other mid or high end brand.
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Plot twist, BYD is set to become the Toyota of EV.
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Plot twist, BYD is set to become the Toyota of EV.
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haha, so funny. just wait and see. no need to argue then.
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Thats your matter of opinion

I think byd interior its ugly
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So BYD Seal is much more of a long distance car then.  hmm.gif
Go charge at DCFC 150kW, you will get ~90% of that at fastest charging time at ~18 minutes from 20-80%.

As for AC home charging, yes you have to settle for ~50-60% charge, since it’s a 7kW charger and can manage to charge say ~6-8 hours only.

This is definitely NOT what i wanted for a 800V charging architecture EV car.

Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 or Kia EV6 would win hands down (11kW AC OBC + 800V DCFC), but the PRICE could be more competitive though  rclxub.gif
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do you drive so much everyday until you need to topup more than 40kWh per day? 40kWh can give like 250-300kms. And even if you wanna go on roadtrip, 500km can go so far already. home charging is usually for everyday topups. If you drive alot that the AC charging isn't enough, a spare petrol car is enough
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do you drive so much everyday until you need to topup more than 40kWh per day? 40kWh can give like 250-300kms. And even if you wanna go on roadtrip, 500km can go so far already. home charging is usually for everyday topups. If you drive alot that the AC charging isn't enough, a spare petrol car is enough
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Or you can take public transport or grab if battery did not charge in time

Simple
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Or you can take public transport or grab if battery did not charge in time

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most of the limited charging speed issues are solved by having big batteries, like if you didn't go out in weekends you can plug it in for a very long time to replenish.

by the way adding 250km for 6-8 hours a day is not that bad. back when i drive alot also less than 200km a day daily
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Great in most aspects but not in the AC charging speed...... ohmy.gif
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Great in most aspects but not in the AC charging speed...... ohmy.gif
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it's 50/50 oso

7kW means single phase but tops at 7kW speed

11kW on alot tesla means three phase but 11kW only on 3 phase AC chargers (if you plug 7kW AC public charger it will only max out at 3.7kW)

but it also meant if this BYD go plug in 11kW public chargers it will only max out at 3.7kW speed.

best the car that supports 22kW AC charging
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 23 2024, 10:19 AM)
no point arguing with tesla/apple fanbois
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Ok what 😂🤣

Tesla fanboi lawan byd fanboi…

Meanwhile ICE fanboi: notice me senpai!
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QUOTE(noos @ Feb 23 2024, 09:52 AM)
Great in most aspects but not in the AC charging speed...... ohmy.gif
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Yes. Value for money la for long range still cheaper rm10k than m3 highland std range.

But still lose to tesla in ac and dc charging speed. And of course Tesla network of own Supercharger.

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 23 2024, 08:23 AM)
most of the limited charging speed issues are solved by having big batteries, like if you didn't go out in weekends you can plug it in for a very long time to replenish.

by the way adding 250km for 6-8 hours a day is not that bad. back when i drive alot also less than 200km a day daily
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On the other hand, having bigger battery means wasting energy to carry that dead weight, thus cutting further the already short range for those with limited charging speed, kan?
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 23 2024, 12:36 AM)
I think both the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal are good EVs. Also it is good that both are available here as it provides competition in the market and choice for the potential customers. As to which is the preferred EV, I guess it is up to the individual. So long the individual is happy with his/her choice, that's all that matters.
Personally, I lean towards the BYD Seal Premium over the Tesla Model 3 AWD because
- Price. To me, a RM 40k difference between the Seal Premium vs the Tesla Model 3 AWD is significant, although there is a difference in the WLTP range in favour of the Tesla. Also the Tesla has dual motor but since I don't intend to speed, it makes no practical difference me.
- There is the uncertainty of the yet to be announced revised road tax for EVs. If it is still based on the horsepower then the dual motor of the Tesla AWD will attract a higher road tax compared to the single motor of the Seal Premium.
- No gear selector in the Tesla Model 3. Need to use the touchscreen to shift between Drive and Reverse. It is certainly possible to adjust and get used to it but to me the gear selector in the Seal is intuitively easier and quicker to use, especially when parking.
- The presence of the signal stalk in the Seal is again intuitively better than the signal buttons on the steering wheel of the Tesla.
- Not too concerned with either of the car interior. Whatever it is, will get used to it.
So, in summary, up to each and everyone to make their own choices.
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i second this!

rm40k diff is huge and arguably BYD Premium is overall a better car.

I'm sold! jz wanna go test drive, and decide on color, then i will pull the trigger.

btw guys, what color is nice? grey, white or black? (blue only for performance aite? plus I'm not fancy with the blue color)
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 23 2024, 11:42 AM)
i second this!

rm40k diff is huge and arguably BYD Premium is overall a better car.

I'm sold! jz wanna go test drive, and decide on color, then i will pull the trigger.

btw guys, what color is nice? grey, white or black? (blue only for performance aite? plus I'm not fancy with the blue color)
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Your money dude.

Jangan tanya kturds. Go view in person and test drive it.

Its not perfect car but its got its + and - point. Even same with Tesla got + and - as well.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 23 2024, 10:44 AM)
Your money dude.

Jangan tanya kturds. Go view in person and test drive it.

Its not perfect car but its got its + and - point. Even same with Tesla got + and - as well.
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 23 2024, 10:42 AM)
i second this!

rm40k diff is huge and arguably BYD Premium is overall a better car.

I'm sold! jz wanna go test drive, and decide on color, then i will pull the trigger.

btw guys, what color is nice? grey, white or black? (blue only for performance aite? plus I'm not fancy with the blue color)
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same feeling considering current car hit 9 years old already. But again for BYD, wait 6 months, later got cash rebates etc
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same feeling considering current car hit 9 years old already. But again for BYD, wait 6 months, later got cash rebates etc
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haha i was thinking that too, waiting for more rebates etc. but now keep thinking of the car, and cannot wait anymore, maybe will jz pull the trigger. plus the first 800 customers gets the free wall charger and rm800 worth of EV charging credit, so i consider that as rebate jugak lah, since the value easily more than rm3k already for both.
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 23 2024, 12:36 AM)
I think both the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal are good EVs. Also it is good that both are available here as it provides competition in the market and choice for the potential customers. As to which is the preferred EV, I guess it is up to the individual. So long the individual is happy with his/her choice, that's all that matters.
Personally, I lean towards the BYD Seal Premium over the Tesla Model 3 AWD because
- Price. To me, a RM 40k difference between the Seal Premium vs the Tesla Model 3 AWD is significant, although there is a difference in the WLTP range in favour of the Tesla. Also the Tesla has dual motor but since I don't intend to speed, it makes no practical difference me.
- There is the uncertainty of the yet to be announced revised road tax for EVs. If it is still based on the horsepower then the dual motor of the Tesla AWD will attract a higher road tax compared to the single motor of the Seal Premium.
- No gear selector in the Tesla Model 3. Need to use the touchscreen to shift between Drive and Reverse. It is certainly possible to adjust and get used to it but to me the gear selector in the Seal is intuitively easier and quicker to use, especially when parking.
- The presence of the signal stalk in the Seal is again intuitively better than the signal buttons on the steering wheel of the Tesla.
- Not too concerned with either of the car interior. Whatever it is, will get used to it.
So, in summary, up to each and everyone to make their own choices.
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yea man. for everyday driving, that gear selector for me is a huge deal. each time go exit mall / parking need to use touchscreen, rly kenot la. seal have proper gearknob. , even proper meter cluster.

tesla rly kenot the interior is a bit too "kosong" for my taste. maybe this is personal preference thing.

If i'm considering between the two, BYD is an easy choice.

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Ok what 😂🤣

Tesla fanboi lawan byd fanboi…

Meanwhile ICE fanboi: notice me senpai!
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(if you plug 7kW AC public charger it will only max out at 3.7kW)



best the car that supports 22kW AC charging
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Nope. All 3 phase EV's are capable to charge at full 7kW when plugged in to a single phase charger.

When it detects a single phase charger , it will charge at 32amps on 1 phase, however when its plugged into 3 phase charger, it will charge at 11kW due to 16a + 16a + 16a across 3 phases
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The only advantage Seal have over M3 is the V2L.
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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Feb 23 2024, 11:27 AM)
yea man. for everyday driving, that gear selector for me is a huge deal. each time go exit mall  / parking need to use touchscreen, rly kenot la. seal have proper gearknob. , even proper meter cluster.

tesla rly kenot the interior is a bit too "kosong" for my taste. maybe this is personal preference thing.

If i'm considering between the two, BYD is an easy choice.
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U really driven model 3 before?

user posted image

I don't even need to touch anything except brake
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Huh?

Just keep the panamera for a weekend car and the byd as your workhorse. Really need to sell of a panamera to fund the byd?
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yes, meant to fight not only model3, but also i4  biggrin.gif

6.1s model 3 for rm189k, while 4.4s model 3 for rm218k.

This is just purely performance comparison only but seriously under 4s for under 200k? rclxms.gif
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Not a bad competitor but i reckon most Malaysians will still get the Model 3. Better interior and brand value.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Feb 24 2024, 12:00 PM)
Not a bad competitor but i reckon most Malaysians will still get the Model 3. Better interior and brand value.
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For the price im kinda interested. Saw Tesla model 3 next to my car on parking, this tesla doesn't give exclusive or premium feel to it, kinda just a regular car from outside
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:20 PM)
so tempting to buy this car. so cheap. was planning to get tesla model 3 long range, but after looking at the pricing of BYD, fuhhh, terus rasa this is way more value for money. i would prefer the premium over the performance, as it gives more range, and the rest all the same. i don't need 3.8sec acceleration coz i still have the range anxiety with EV car. so this seal premium price at rm180k vs tesla m3 long range rm220k, fuh rm40k different woi.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Feb 24 2024, 12:00 PM)
Not a bad competitor but i reckon most Malaysians will still get the Model 3. Better interior and brand value.
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Brand value is the main one. Tesla higher brand perception than Toyota Honda, almost nearly BMW Merc level, at least in my social circles. Cannot tahan the Build Your Dreams badge, too Chinglish
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 24 2024, 11:07 PM)
Brand value is the main one. Tesla higher brand perception than Toyota Honda, almost nearly BMW Merc level, at least in my social circles. Cannot tahan the Build Your Dreams badge, too Chinglish
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but seal does not have the full name spelled out what.

and anyway, is just sticker u can remove it if u want

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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 24 2024, 11:07 PM)
Brand value is the main one. Tesla higher brand perception than Toyota Honda, almost nearly BMW Merc level, at least in my social circles. Cannot tahan the Build Your Dreams badge, too Chinglish
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but seal does not have the full name spelled out what.

and anyway, is just sticker u can remove it if u want
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Its not just the word ‘BYD’. Its more about the fact that its American and sort of a ‘show-off’ tech. In my circles too, Tesla is viewed as a Merc, BMW competitor. BYD is vied as a cheap but capable electric car brand.

IMO, BYD should have launched the Seal before Atto and Dolphin to solidify the ‘Tesla competitor’ image!
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For the price im kinda interested. Saw Tesla model 3 next to my car on parking, this tesla doesn't give exclusive or premium feel to it, kinda just a regular car from outside
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The inside is like sitting in another world. This isn’t necessarily good!

The inside of the BYD is like sitting in a typical “European inspired” interior. This isn’t necessarily bad!
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did you guys already talk about how byd seal is significantly heavier than tesla model 3? 350-400kg heavier and the byd seal is heavier than toyota hilux

ture wear gg especially the RWD model, braking distance also affected, and for sure since the motor need to move heavier mass it should have less mileage per kWh of energy compared to tesla model 3

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 10:19 AM)
did you guys already talk about how byd seal is significantly heavier than tesla model 3? 350-400kg heavier and the byd seal is heavier than toyota hilux

ture wear gg especially the RWD model, braking distance also affected, and for sure since the motor need to move heavier mass it should have less mileage per kWh of energy compared to tesla model 3
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Yes. I saw the seal random utube video when it is swirling around in a track. Can immediately feel its a heavy car.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 09:19 AM)
did you guys already talk about how byd seal is significantly heavier than tesla model 3? 350-400kg heavier and the byd seal is heavier than toyota hilux

ture wear gg especially the RWD model, braking distance also affected, and for sure since the motor need to move heavier mass it should have less mileage per kWh of energy compared to tesla model 3
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From YouTube it won against Tesla model 3 base, on acceleration and braking.

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From YouTube it won against Tesla model 3 base, on acceleration and braking.
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try on older tires

we use cars daily until tayar botak, we don't change tires after the grips lost

and then we haven't touch driving in heavy rain too

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Tesla selling 189, bydick selling 179. Yes you may argue bydick is long range. But Tesla is a Tesla...if seal selling at 159k then only talk.
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QUOTE(cfyong2020 @ Feb 25 2024, 10:09 AM)
Tesla selling 189, bydick selling 179. Yes you may argue bydick is long range. But Tesla is a Tesla...if seal selling at 159k then only talk.
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You think everyone is like you "brand influenced" lol
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try on older tires

we use cars daily until tayar botak, we don't change tires after the grips lost

and then we haven't touch driving in heavy rain too
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Then wat makes u think tesla perform better with older tires ? Sound like tryin hard wan defend tesla jer
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BYD Claim 3.8 sec but same result with tesla.. another downside byd top 180 while tesla over 200.

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QUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 10:43 AM)
Then wat makes u think tesla perform better with older tires ? Sound like tryin hard wan defend tesla jer
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no study science ker

if heavy so good why all cars didn't want to put super heavy from the factory

more pitiful defending car that is 350-400kg heavier

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try on older tires

we use cars daily until tayar botak, we don't change tires after the grips lost

and then we haven't touch driving in heavy rain too
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It still BYD Seal win for both acceleration and stopping distance vs Tesla Model 3 base. Why change subject to tyre
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:18 AM)
no study science ker

if heavy so good why all cars didn't want to put super heavy from the factory

more pitiful defending car that is 350-400kg heavier
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Win is a win. Why wanna change subject?
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For Sunday light reading .... just for info.

Edited - Unfortunately the link gets removed. Google using "BYD Seal vs Tesla Model 3 Highland Malaysia comparison – how do these electric sedans stack up?"

Paultan website.

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Premium vs SR? 10k difference.
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Many wanna justify how cheap and worth buying seal Premium over model 3 long range as both identified as long range

But seal Premium range only about 20km more than model 3 rwd and other specs are at most comparable or worst than model 3 rwd
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Win is a win. Why wanna change subject?
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does it change the fact that it is 400kg heavier and pose problems on normal drivers when they use the car literally daily?

oh just because it win with new tires, it doesn't change the fact that it is still 400kg heavier which is not good. Mercedes eqs is 200-300kg heavier than seal and one owner in florida complaining had to replace the tires every 10000km. Good luck to those BYD Seal RWD buyers, maybe change tires every 15000km? good luck paying close to rm2k for the rear tires lol

if die die wanna buy seal, get the AWD version, RWD just kills the tires fast, AWD more spread out power and nicer for the tire life

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:36 AM)
does it change the fact that it is 400kg heavier and pose problems on normal drivers when they use the car literally daily?

oh just because it win with new tires, it doesn't change the fact that it is still 400kg heavier which is not good. Mercedes eqs is 200-300kg heavier than seal and one owner in florida complaining had to replace the tires every 10000km. Good luck to those BYD Seal RWD buyers, maybe change tires every 15000km? good luck paying close to rm2k for the rear tires lol

if die die wanna buy seal, get the AWD version, RWD just kills the tires fast, AWD more spread out power and nicer for the tire life
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:18 AM)
no study science ker

if heavy so good why all cars didn't want to put super heavy from the factory

more pitiful defending car that is 350-400kg heavier
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Lul.. i dunu wat u smokin.. sum1 claim test proven ur so call weight thing is nt true then u tukar arguement pulak to old tyres & then now wan say ur science manyak terrer.. i dono who is the one desperate in defending .. topkek.. i nt a fanboi of tesla or any evs bt betul betul tak boleh tahan the way fanboi defend their yilong ma

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Enjoy Tesla and BYD fan boys picking faults in opponent's model to justify own decision to purchase his own desired model in the first place.

Even funnier if Tesla drop prices on Model 3 to fight BYD. First batch owners will not enjoy it.
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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Feb 25 2024, 11:16 AM)

BYD Claim 3.8 sec but same result with tesla.. another downside byd top 180 while tesla over 200.

#doneprotek
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 25 2024, 11:38 AM)
Thailand Seal owners already 30k+ km still on the original set of tyres
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rwd or awd? awd don't have this issue, europe they did study across cars and the result was awd evs can have 10% longer tire life but rws evs has 30% shorter life. that didn't account for weight yet

QUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 11:42 AM)
Lul.. i dunu wat u smokin.. sum1 claim test proven ur so call weight thing is nt true then u tukar arguement pulak to old tyres & then now wan say ur science manyak terrer.. i dono who is the one desperate in defending .. topkek
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go on defending the heavy car, you ordered one issit snd triggered someone say heavy car is not a good thing
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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Feb 25 2024, 11:42 AM)
Enjoy Tesla and BYD fan boys picking faults in opponent's model to justify own decision to purchase his own desired model in the first place.

Even funnier if Tesla drop prices on Model 3 to fight BYD. First batch owners will not enjoy it.
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In fb group sum fanboi is desperate till they hav to bring up china company work ethics to make sure tesla sales remain top

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rwd or awd? awd don't have this issue, europe they did study across cars and the result was awd evs can have 10% longer tire life but rws evs has 30% shorter life. that didn't account for weight yet
go on defending the heavy car, you ordered one issit snd triggered someone say heavy car is not a good thing
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QUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 11:47 AM)
Aiyo cukup la tesla fanboi.. dun try so hard it looks ugly
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you never read my post in k before?

some think i'm tesla hater, you can ask xiaojohn

so sad to see speaking out about heavy car isn't good = tesla fanboi

so smart la you

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:36 AM)
does it change the fact that it is 400kg heavier and pose problems on normal drivers when they use the car literally daily?

oh just because it win with new tires, it doesn't change the fact that it is still 400kg heavier which is not good. Mercedes eqs is 200-300kg heavier than seal and one owner in florida complaining had to replace the tires every 10000km. Good luck to those BYD Seal RWD buyers, maybe change tires every 15000km? good luck paying close to rm2k for the rear tires lol

if die die wanna buy seal, get the AWD version, RWD just kills the tires fast, AWD more spread out power and nicer for the tire life
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Lol. Wanna brag about Tesla. Normal folk only concern on performance, range and after sales warranty. Still wanna brag about weight to back up T
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Lol. Wanna brag about Tesla. Normal folk only concern on performance, range and after sales warranty. Still wanna brag about weight to back up T
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normal folks also concerns about weight

kept on talking heavy hailat is bad etc etc

but suddenly on byd seal becoming heavy it's ok

and cannot criticize anything valid nowadays, sensitive people always label you as fanbois, no other argument anymore

nice brain there

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Ah Beng will buy seal.....
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Then sell with total rugi price or beg people to buy after 3-5. Years
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:54 AM)
you never read my post in k before?

some think i'm tesla hater, you can ask xiaojohn

so sad to see speaking out about heavy car isn't good = tesla fanboi

so smart la you
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Rilex la.. no need graba quote tis quote tat to proof ur stance..

The weight is a fact bt u yang pandai claim affect braking affect tyre wear affect distance.. bt when ppl nicely point out to u real test braking kalah .. u wan defend sumore wit old tyres.. u tell me topkek or nt? Lul .. kenot jus admit the brakes suck ke on tesla?

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Rilex la.. no need graba quote tis quote tat to proof ur stance..

The weight is a fact bt u yang pandai claim affect braking affect tyre wear affect distance.. bt when ppl nicely point out to u real test braking kalah .. u wan defend sumore wit old tyres.. u tell me topkek or nt? Lul
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oki next time i will always use your wisdom to educate people in /k/ that heavier car is better and i won't be selfish and will credit your name smile.gif
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oki next time i will always use your wisdom to educate people in /k/ that heavier car is better and i won't be selfish and will credit your name smile.gif
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Nak beli rolls royce spectre initially, tapi tengok weight 3000kg.. tak jadi la.. baik beli tesla
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QUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 01:07 PM)
Nak beli rolls royce spectre initially, tapi tengok weight 3000kg.. tak jadi la.. baik beli tesla
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nola, you should see which can brake better, maybe rolls royce spectre better brake better then you should buy it.

don't forget to post your photo on either rolls royce spectre or tesla since you nak beli kan? jangan tak post pula
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QUOTE(voltan @ Feb 25 2024, 12:39 PM)
Then sell with total rugi price or beg people to buy after 3-5. Years
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At that time no tax exemption so probably even out a bit but newer cars will have better battery tech brows.gif
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 12:29 PM)
normal folks also concerns about weight

kept on talking heavy hailat is bad etc etc

but suddenly on byd seal becoming heavy it's ok

and cannot criticize anything valid nowadays, sensitive people always label you as fanbois, no other argument anymore

nice brain there
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Lol keep on bringing weight concern for licking Tesla. Lol. Still lost acceleration, stopping distance, haha. Only their fans though they win something.

Weight
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What next, cannot gets blowjob owning Tesla?

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 01:10 PM)
nola, you should see which can brake better, maybe rolls royce spectre better brake better then you should buy it.

don't forget to post your photo on either rolls royce spectre or tesla since you nak beli kan? jangan tak post pula
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Byd vs Tesla....

Ayam ICE owner just sit down and munch popcorn. But I must thank them for being early adopters.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Feb 25 2024, 02:00 PM)
Byd vs Tesla....

Ayam ICE owner just sit down and munch popcorn. But I must thank them for being early adopters.
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Your point about early adopters is valid. They flush out unexpected/underestimated issues as well as positive issues. For eg, my friend was one of the first fifty who got the BMW iX xDrive40 so he has used it for just over a year. The WLTP range as per specification is 425 km but he achieves on average 360 km. He is considering swapping for the iX xDrive50 with a WLTP of 630 km. He has lots of moolah so no issue for him as an early adopter.
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 25 2024, 02:17 PM)
Your point about early adopters is valid. They flush out unexpected/underestimated issues as well as positive issues. For eg, my friend was one of the first fifty who got the BMW iX xDrive40 so he has used it for just over a year. The WLTP range as per specification is 425 km but he achieves on average 360 km. He is considering swapping for the iX xDrive50 with a WLTP of 630 km. He has lots of moolah so no issue for him as an early adopter.
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Ironically, puak terpaling butthurt are those non-EV owners. Apa no resale value, apa range anxiety...what have these to do with them who don't own EVs?
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At that time no tax exemption so probably even out a bit but newer cars will have better battery tech brows.gif
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Hehe. Indeed. EV is a rich people gadget. If u don't have spare $$ don't drive EV. Imo
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QUOTE(voltan @ Feb 25 2024, 02:38 PM)
Hehe. Indeed. EV is a rich people gadget. If u don't have spare $$ don't drive EV. Imo
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not really..just our protek and tax made any car not ckd garbage pricing also our currency

if our car market open up bet ya byd and other china brand will be out try to kill japenis brands




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Ironically, puak terpaling butthurt are those non-EV owners. Apa no resale value, apa range anxiety...what have these to do with them who don't own EVs?
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haha exactly

some ppl only can feel good if they put down others
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Hehe. Indeed. EV is a rich people gadget. If u don't have spare $$ don't drive EV. Imo
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It’s the other way round. EV is gaining traction in Thai due to cheaper cost of ownership/maintenance/operation.

We just need to remove our 50B petrol subsidies and you’ll see EV sale to the moon.
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 25 2024, 05:02 PM)
It’s the other way round. EV is gaining traction in Thai due to cheaper cost of ownership/maintenance/operation.

We just need to remove our 50B petrol subsidies and you’ll see EV sale to the moon.
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How many year more BMX and lapiji can afford this kinda 1mdb total market capitalization size yearly subisdy wastage???
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We need open price petrol to make masses jump to EV. Thai at rm4/liter (not sure in Baht but damn expansive) sure their citizens jump asap to EV
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 25 2024, 01:26 PM)
Lol keep on bringing weight concern for licking Tesla. Lol. Still lost acceleration, stopping distance, haha. Only their fans though they win something.

Weight
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What next, cannot gets blowjob owning Tesla?
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ini lagi tak baca my previous post, kept on labeling me as tesla fanboi but other people in k labeling me as tesla hater in other threads, but the others are right, while you just using this stupid argument of "licking tesla"

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Pickup your brain to detect sarcasm joke
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selfclaim got brain but tak tahu sains ka more heavy isn't good

QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Feb 25 2024, 01:31 PM)
all gado gado but no buy also hahahahaha

at least you either one can gado defend your pride hahaha
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i just saying the big weight difference isn't great for the owners which is true by physics but they so triggered

also other market have 61.4kWh for their RWD version which brought weight down to 1885kg, way more reasonable for RWD to handle.

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 06:28 PM)
ini lagi tak baca my previous post, kept on labeling me as tesla fanboi but other people in k labeling me as tesla hater in other threads, but the others are right, while you just using this stupid argument of "licking tesla"
selfclaim got brain but tak tahu sains ka more heavy isn't good
i just saying the big weight difference isn't great for the owners which is true by physics but they so triggered

also other market have 61.4kWh for their RWD version which brought weight down to 1885kg, way more reasonable for RWD to handle.
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Never heard power to weight ratio? Enough of science talk if individual brain cant accept this level of knowledge
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Never heard power to weight ratio? Enough of science talk if individual brain cant accept this level of knowledge
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wow taichi power to weight ratio comes out now biggrin.gif

okla both you and Oishiteru heavy lovers
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 06:28 PM)
ini lagi tak baca my previous post, kept on labeling me as tesla fanboi but other people in k labeling me as tesla hater in other threads, but the others are right, while you just using this stupid argument of "licking tesla"
selfclaim got brain but tak tahu sains ka more heavy isn't good
i just saying the big weight difference isn't great for the owners which is true by physics but they so triggered

also other market have 61.4kWh for their RWD version which brought weight down to 1885kg, way more reasonable for RWD to handle.
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Heavier car is more stable at high speed as you need more forces to sway its momentum.

Also when big car and small car collide, the damages are usually worse on the small car.
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Never heard power to weight ratio? Enough of science talk if individual brain cant accept this level of knowledge
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Yes u can compensate heavier car with more powerful motor, just that efficiency down the drain

Just look at the 82.5kwh battery for seal Premium have range merely about 20km extra than the 57.5kwh model 3 rwd

Of course if u don't mind slower charging and paying more electricity bill then no problem lah
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Heavier car is more stable at high speed as you need more forces to sway its momentum.

Also when big car and small car collide, the damages are usually worse on the small car.
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Generally yes. But EV is already heavy enough with the battery packs at the bottom so the centre of gravity is much lower Vs ICE and hence stable enough. Ppl already tried without problem driving at 200kmh on NSE for the model 3.

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:06 PM)
Yes u can compensate heavier car with more powerful motor, just that efficiency down the drain

Just look at the 82.5kwh battery for seal Premium have range merely about 20km extra than the 57.5kwh model 3 rwd

Of course if u don't mind slower charging and paying more electricity bill then no problem lah
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So pay for more pricier Tesla lol. U jump to EV, u already accepted that car is heavy as f in 1st place. Inb4 retain ICE if can't accept heavy car of EV

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 07:51 PM)
wow taichi power to weight ratio comes out now biggrin.gif

okla both you and Oishiteru heavy lovers
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So pay for more pricier Tesla lol
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For 9k more?

Good luck with your electricity bill and potentially heavier road tax
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IQ. Inb4 always barking for weight until no tomorrow.
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ok heavy lover

why not make it to 2500kg? 2200kg too little, not the same weight as land cruiser 300 series
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 08:19 PM)
ok heavy lover

why not make it to 2500kg? 2200kg too little, not the same weight as land cruiser 300 series
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:19 PM)
For 9k more?

Good luck with your electricity bill and potentially heavier road tax
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Retain the ICE then.
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Retain the ICE then.
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Not enough. Cybertruck over 3000kg, and yet it outrun Porsche 911 while towing another 911.

Talk about power to weight ratio.

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:29 PM)
Not enough. Cybertruck over 3000kg.
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Went test drive today, holy crap so freaking fast. Damn damn.. no other cars can beat this price to features/performance
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Xiaomi is well known to be doing good at performance/price. So if their SU7 (or future iteration) ever hit our shores, it should be competitively priced
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May be wait for Xiaomi to hit international market.

Xiaomi is well known to be doing good at performance/price. So if their SU7 (or future iteration) ever hit our shores, it should be competitively priced
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xiaomi is NOT at this price.
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Over 300k RMB, realistically if coming to MY it’ll easily hit above RM250k I reckon.
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QUOTE(tifosi @ Feb 25 2024, 11:42 AM)
It's not wrong. 0-100 is way faster than tesla. It's the 1/4 mile that it's the same.
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1 - 1 if you watch.. the first one tesla faster from the start, 2nd one tesla kena tinggal..
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post Feb 26 2024, 12:05 AM

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BYD if u keep on tekan high speed 160kmh max can go 150km only right?
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post Feb 26 2024, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 25 2024, 07:58 PM)
Heavier car is more stable at high speed as you need more forces to sway its momentum.

Also when big car and small car collide, the damages are usually worse on the small car.
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:09 PM)
Generally yes. But EV is already heavy enough with the battery packs at the bottom so the centre of gravity is much lower Vs ICE and hence stable enough. Ppl already tried without problem driving at 200kmh on NSE for the model 3.
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Aerodynamics is also a factor in car stability at high speed, ie not just heavier car weight which needs more energy to move, ie energy either from petrol/diesel for ICE-V or from battery for EV. Hence Tesla M3, BYD Seal, Honda Civic, Proton S7, etc have sleek aerodynamics or design. .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downforce
Downforce is a downwards lift force created by the aerodynamic features of a vehicle. If the vehicle is a car, the purpose of downforce is to allow the car to travel faster by increasing the vertical force on the tires, thus creating more grip. If the vehicle is a fixed-wing aircraft, the purpose of the downforce on the horizontal stabilizer is to maintain longitudinal stability and allow the pilot to control the aircraft in pitch.

Fundamental principles
The same principle that allows an airplane to rise off the ground by creating lift from its wings is used in reverse to apply force that presses the race car against the surface of the track. This effect is referred to as "aerodynamic grip" and is distinguished from "mechanical grip", which is a function of the car's mass, tires, and suspension. ...

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 08:24 PM)
oh not heavy enough for you?
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Not heavy cz level IQ not same
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:29 PM)
Not enough. Cybertruck over 3000kg, and yet it outrun Porsche 911 while towing another 911.

Talk about power to weight ratio.
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Here we talk about these 2 cars, now come out with another 2 other model lol
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QUOTE(lee_lnh @ Feb 26 2024, 12:05 AM)
BYD if u keep on tekan high speed 160kmh max can go 150km only right?
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Wrong. 100km.
Many people didn't realise this until after they bought the car, they realize they need to drive at 90kph at highway to get their expected range, hogging the middle lane together with all the big ass spoiler modified wiras.
My Alza can go further at 160kmph.
EVs are a joke right now. Their efficiency drops down the ravine the moment they go above 60kph.
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QUOTE(ernie ball @ Feb 26 2024, 10:36 AM)
Wrong. 100km.
Many people didn't realise this until after they bought the car, they realize they need to drive at 90kph at highway to get their expected range, hogging the middle lane together with all the big ass spoiler modified wiras.
My Alza can go further at 160kmph.
EVs are a joke right now. Their efficiency drops down the ravine the moment they go above 60kph.
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civic ehev 2.0 40L petrol tank also can go 400km if consistently drive 160kmh lul
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QUOTE(lee_lnh @ Feb 26 2024, 11:22 AM)
civic ehev 2.0 40L petrol tank also can go 400km if consistently drive 160kmh lul
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Go compare the energy density of dinosaur juice vs LiPo battery and you’ll know the answer.
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QUOTE(LovelyPotato @ Feb 22 2024, 11:09 AM)
15 hours charging with normal wall charger wtf
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If new bateri tech or some whatever new tech that will improve EV range comes out down the line lets say in 3-5 years,

Everything on the market or in your hand right now is going to be redundant = worth nothing anymore.
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 26 2024, 11:29 AM)
Go compare the energy density of dinosaur juice vs LiPo battery and you’ll know the answer.
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why care about energy density, the heavy lovers geng here don't mind it being more heavy than hailat, 3000kg oso no problems for them as long as it brake better
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Feb 22 2024, 12:34 PM)
Now is not the time to buy EVs.

EVs are going through deflation.
Price wars from manufacturers are driving prices down.
Buyers are waiting for more price cuts.
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BUT, once the tax exemption for EV habis end of 2025, it will become way more expensive than it is now.
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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Mar 25 2024, 12:35 AM)
BUT, once the tax exemption for EV habis end of 2025, it will become way more expensive than it is now.
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EV tech keep on upgrading and new technology run faster than general ICE car. Next future with more battery tech, same sizes battery will gets higher mileage for instant. And best is, the pricing of EV keep getting cheaper, thanks to China car EV. Remember 2 years ago Kia EV6 cost almost 300k, only those T20 with T20 number plate owned it. Nowadays BYD Suv car plenty on the road.

Cons on EV here that we yet to know the direction. Roadtax following EV car power? Confirm already?

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post Mar 25 2024, 05:46 AM

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EV cars are not suitable for someone that have Anxiety, Panic Attack or overthinking.

Same goes to Bimbo woman. Even the ICE cars that we are using right now, we can see a lot of bimbo woman keep making mistake of refueling using Diesel and forgot to refuel their cars.

I can see the same with EV cars.
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post Mar 30 2024, 10:48 PM

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Fyi, .......

user posted image - BYD Seal
user posted image - Tesla Model 3
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BYD Seal is a copycat of Tesla Model 3.

In China, the BYD Seal EV car sells for CNY180k = US$25k, whereas the Tesla Model 3 EV car sells for US$39k in USA and CNY246k = US$34k in China.

So, a M40 in CCP China buying the BYD Seal EV car is like him/her having bought a Tesla Model 3 EV car = "got face" to go ya-ya around in his/her "Tesla" car.
....... CCP China can do this because they know it's unlikely that Tesla (or Porsche or Ferrari or Rolls Royce) will mount an IP lawsuit in China.

Similarly for a wumao M40 in Malaysia buying the BYD Seal EV car or other similar high-end CCP China copycat cars in Malaysia at around two-third to half the price of the original.

The reason for such a behaviour in CCP China .......

https://unbelievable-facts.com/2024/02/how-...pycat-cars.html - HOW IS CHINA ABLE TO SELL COPYCAT CARS? - 29 Feb 2024
If you are a relatively wealthy person in China, you can own a luxury car like a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari. It’s not a real one, European-made, but a copycat car that looks like the original. Whichever corner of the world we might be in, there is no escape from at least one, if not multiple, products with the label “Made in China ” in our everyday lives.

China, also called the “World’s Factory,” is not just the biggest manufacturer in the world but also notoriously famous for producing knockoff versions of a large number of Western products with ridiculously similar names! Deats headphones (a play on “Beats”), Michaelsoft Binbows (heard of “Microsoft Windows”?), Mike (rhyming with “Nike”), and the list goes on. But it doesn’t just stop at consumer goods.

China also manufactures a huge number of copycat cars that look and feel almost identical to their original designs. From copies of Rolls Royce, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, and Mini Coopers to Ford Ecosport, Hummer, and Toyota Yaris, the market for these Chinese copycat cars is immense!

This brings us to an extremely valid question. Is it even legal? Let us dig deeper into this story. ...
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When was the start of the flourishing copycat car industry in China?
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Although quite impressively replicated in designs, the quality and engine power of the copycat cars are usually significantly low. But the buyers love the fact that they can afford and own a car that looks as luxurious as a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari.

Most of the original luxury Western cars are expensive and come with a huge import tariff. But the Chinese knockoff cars cost a fraction of the originals. The copycat car industry soon started to grow at a rapid rate. ...
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How does China legally get away with its copycat car market?

China has very relaxed laws regarding intellectual and design copyrights. With cars, it is always a challenge to prove a design is unique when it is mostly a variation in curves or lines. This results in very few successful legal cases against Chinese manufacturers.

However, the exterior design of a car is protected under many legal schemes, like unfair competition, design patents, copyright infringement, etc. Usually, if companies lose under one scheme, they may win under another. This may finally be good news for the original manufacturers.

So, how does one protect their intellectual property (IP) rights? Protecting design rights is the most important aspect of an IP regarding cars. According to the law, it is entirely on the owner of the IP to enforce the rights, and if he doesn’t do so, then there is not much the law can do.

But the IP rights are always jurisdictional, and therefore, if a manufacturer has an IP right in the US or Europe, it doesn’t necessarily mean that China needs to abide by this, too. ....

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