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rm200k for performance model
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Bukan isu slowpoke or fastpoke. Isu sebenar ialah "the fb post is no longer available".
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200k can smoke most of the sports car on the road liao.
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200k for tongsan car.. kek sial
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let the EV price war begin
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i saw few seals in hadyai
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3.8s for under 200k, apa lagi you mau. Smart #1 brabus pun kalah.
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The AC charging should have been better. 11kW at least.
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QUOTE In terms of charging, both the Premium ER and Performance AWD feature 7 kw AC Type 2 charging, and the charging time needed to get the unit from 0-100% SoC is up, in this case 15.2 hours. With DC charging at a maximum rate of 150 kW, it takes 37 minutes needed to get the battery from a 10 to 80% state of charge (SoC). This charging speed if don't have home charger cannot la. 15 hours charging with normal wall charger wtf This post has been edited by LovelyPotato: Feb 22 2024, 11:09 AM |
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:16 AM) yes, meant to fight not only model3, but also i4 okay so 6.1s model 3 for rm189k, while 4.4s model 3 for rm218k. This is just purely performance comparison only but seriously under 4s for under 200k? #1 price/seconds Seal 180k/3.3s Model3 218k/4.4s i4 price/seconds if talk purely pickup and price seal mcm not bad but top range seal topup can get model3, more clout kan? 200k could be able to get model5 plaid recon kan? |
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QUOTE(LovelyPotato @ Feb 22 2024, 11:09 AM) This charging speed if don't have home charger cannot la. 15 hours charging with normal wall charger wtf 15 hours is with home charger la. What u tok KingArthurVI liked this post
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Just googled on it!
not bad, pretty good looking exterior wise. Interior is not bad, except for the speedo meter, looks like an after thought or just kinda chuck in there?! hmmm https://www.byd.com/eu/blog/How-the-BYD-SEA...ric-saloon.html |
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3.8sec Rm200k. Lambo also cry
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QUOTE(Juggerballz @ Feb 22 2024, 11:24 AM) 15 hours is damn long. Imagine you have a long distance drive tomorrow. Max can charge at home around 12 hours before departing. Not even full yet. Remember, once it hits 80%, the charging lagi slows down. Usually once you reach home you will plug in. So the scenario to charge from 0 to full is slim.Alternatively there's DC charger. |
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Need to buy 2 for spare parts Fire insurance Life insuarance Electrocution insuarance House/building insurance Charging station membership Towcar membership Workshop membership Software update membership Apa lagi ayam miss This post has been edited by yolldddd: Feb 22 2024, 11:32 AM awol and MegaCanonF liked this post
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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 22 2024, 11:20 AM) okay so but this is just number on paper. We don't know if 3.8s is achievable or not, which is another story. Sub 5s is plentily fast, for me.#1 price/seconds Seal 180k/3.3s Model3 218k/4.4s i4 price/seconds if talk purely pickup and price seal mcm not bad but top range seal topup can get model3, more clout kan? 200k could be able to get model5 plaid recon kan? don't talk recon/used la....these cars depreciate quite fast also. For all you know, you could get 20k discount with BYD during year end |
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QUOTE(Jasonist @ Feb 22 2024, 11:03 AM) Spotted quite a number at Thai.When some people still making fun of them They already conquer the market The design are fucking ugly in Atto3, but with the domination, they can do a lot improvement in the next coming decade. That time when the automotive are only china variant leftover for you to choose im not sure can we can laugh again anymore KingArthurVI liked this post
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:29 AM) but this is just number on paper. We don't know if 3.8s is achievable or not, which is another story. Sub 5s is plentily fast, for me. next yeardon't talk recon/used la....these cars depreciate quite fast also. For all you know, you could get 20k discount with BYD during year end [wts] byd seal....lady driver....low mileage.....deposit 5k......sambung bayar I-Kurosaki liked this post
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QUOTE(yolldddd @ Feb 22 2024, 11:27 AM) Need to buy Nirvana membership 2 for spare parts Fire insurance Life insuarance Electrocution insuarance House/building insurance Charging station membership Towcar membership Workshop membership Software update membership Apa lagi ayam miss yolldddd liked this post
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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 22 2024, 11:20 AM) okay so These day choosing EV are like choosing iOS & HarmonyOS, no longer like looking at the spec.#1 price/seconds Seal 180k/3.3s Model3 218k/4.4s i4 price/seconds if talk purely pickup and price seal mcm not bad but top range seal topup can get model3, more clout kan? 200k could be able to get model5 plaid recon kan? |
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its cool to drive tesla
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QUOTE(Juggerballz @ Feb 22 2024, 11:24 AM) 15 hours is damn long. Imagine you have a long distance drive tomorrow. Max can charge at home around 12 hours before departing. Not even full yet. Remember, once it hits 80%, the charging lagi slows down. 80% slow down is on a fast charger lah. Home charger speed is the same from 0 to 100But have to remember its a 80+kWh battery, so no need to full also takpe This post has been edited by Boy96: Feb 22 2024, 11:42 AM de.sengal liked this post
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QUOTE(Juggerballz @ Feb 22 2024, 11:24 AM) 15 hours is damn long. Imagine you have a long distance drive tomorrow. Max can charge at home around 12 hours before departing. Not even full yet. Remember, once it hits 80%, the charging lagi slows down. 7 kW AC are for sure slower than Tesla models. But remember, you own a petrol station at home. That is way more convenient than ICE car.You dont hear much complain from current home charger EV user that lack of distance. |
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Thailand i see many seal on the road.
veli nice. now price also veli nice. |
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I notice they didnt announce price for dynamic (lowest spec).
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Feb 22 2024, 11:37 AM) tesla ada amoi byd ada lalamoi #1/i4 ada gaya MegaCanonF liked this post
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BYD adds that the first 800 bookings for the EV will enjoy complimentary wallbox chargers and free Gentari/ChargEV charging credits worth RM800 while stocks last.
Moreover, the SEAL is also offered with an extensive warranty package, consisting of a 6-year or 150,000km vehicle warranty, an 8-year or 160,000km battery warranty, and an 8-year or 150,000km drive unit warranty. |
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Feb 22 2024, 11:42 AM) from pauline:Despite earlier speculation that there would be three variants for Malaysia, the Seal arrives in two variant forms, as an extended range Premium and a range-topping Performance. Initially, it was intimated that the local range would follow that seen in Singapore, Thailand and Australia, but the base Dynamic has been omitted. |
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:45 AM) from pauline: if release, will be 169k? Despite earlier speculation that there would be three variants for Malaysia, the Seal arrives in two variant forms, as an extended range Premium and a range-topping Performance. Initially, it was intimated that the local range would follow that seen in Singapore, Thailand and Australia, but the base Dynamic has been omitted. |
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 11:45 AM) from pauline: No wonder. Good move.Despite earlier speculation that there would be three variants for Malaysia, the Seal arrives in two variant forms, as an extended range Premium and a range-topping Performance. Initially, it was intimated that the local range would follow that seen in Singapore, Thailand and Australia, but the base Dynamic has been omitted. |
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I wait for Atto 2
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 12:04 PM) It says : The vehicle measures 4310mm in length, 1830mm in width, and stands 1675 mm tall, resting on a 2620 mm wheelbase. Meanwhile for Ativa : Perodua Ativa 2024 has a length of 4065 mm mm, the width of 1710 mm mm, the height of 1635 mm mm, a wheelbase of 2525 mm mm and 200 mm mm ground clearance. BYD Dolphin : Length 4290 mm · Width 1770 mm · Height 1570 mm X50 : Length 4330 mm · Width 1800 mm · Height 1609 mm This post has been edited by Capt. Marble: Feb 22 2024, 12:08 PM |
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QUOTE(Capt. Marble @ Feb 22 2024, 12:07 PM) It says : I sit inside mah relatives’ ATTO3 before, it’s actually pretty cramped for a car of that size. I wonder how much worse will ATTO2 beThe vehicle measures 4310mm in length, 1830mm in width, and stands 1675 mm tall, resting on a 2620 mm wheelbase. Meanwhile for Ativa : Perodua Ativa 2024 has a length of 4065 mm mm, the width of 1710 mm mm, the height of 1635 mm mm, a wheelbase of 2525 mm mm and 200 mm mm ground clearance. BYD Dolphin : Length 4290 mm · Width 1770 mm · Height 1570 mm |
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Wait BYD Sotong RM120k only consider
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this year ev will get cheaper, and semi solid state battery coming out soon.
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Feb 22 2024, 11:22 AM) I mean don’t have home charger means cannot charge at mall if stay condo. You need long hour charging at home only can work.Comparing Tesla use 11kW AC can charge from 20-80 at mall in roughly 3-4 hours, so weekly charge at mall still can if don’t have home charger. This post has been edited by LovelyPotato: Feb 22 2024, 12:28 PM |
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670 nm of torque! Gila la for that price sure gooding
I have diesel 440nm also dah gempak , cannot imagine how much gotta spend on replacement tire |
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Same price with Tesla? Aiya missed opportunity liao
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Hrngg if got a big service center near me, sure buy
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Now is not the time to buy EVs.
EVs are going through deflation. Price wars from manufacturers are driving prices down. Buyers are waiting for more price cuts. |
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JoeK trade in x50 get this 670nm torque, sure terpancut
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:27 PM) 670 nm of torque! Gila la for that price sure gooding it's AWD, so tires at least doesn't wear down that fast compared to RWD EVsI have diesel 440nm also dah gempak , cannot imagine how much gotta spend on replacement tire man these EVs are killing those luxury exotic cars like ferrari and lambo. not like you need to take high speed corners on normal roads. |
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Feb 22 2024, 12:34 PM) Now is not the time to buy EVs. can buy cheap second hand of these EVs after few years, the LFP should last way longer than older EV battery types, as long as it didn't malfunction saja...EVs are going through deflation. Price wars from manufacturers are driving prices down. Buyers are waiting for more price cuts. |
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QUOTE(yolldddd @ Feb 22 2024, 11:27 AM) Need to buy Tinting2 for spare parts Fire insurance Life insuarance Electrocution insuarance House/building insurance Charging station membership Towcar membership Workshop membership Software update membership Apa lagi ayam miss PPF Coating Car mat Dashcam All sorts of protectors - seat, handle, screen, door etc etc |
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byd is xiaomi of ev
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Good pricing.... but too bad im looking for SUV
All EV SUV with more than 500km range now exp af So I stick to ICE je |
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Feb 22 2024, 12:27 PM) Dont think so. New tech announced, get into production, usually will take up years. nio et7 with semi solid state announced with 1000km mileage with the ceo live streaming it 14 hours sitting in the car.Enjoy the current tech je la. and byd just cut another round of price few days ago in china. lithium price drop of course the car price got margin to cut some price. and byd target 4.5 to 5 mil unit sales this year, of course cut price to maintain the volume. just that dont know they will do so for oversea export or not 6942nole liked this post
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10 year old Zoe AC charge 22kWh.
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QUOTE(kembayang @ Feb 22 2024, 12:54 PM) 7kWh AC and 150kWh DCIts like having a i7 / i9 CPU only to be let down by 8GB RAM kek KingArthurVI liked this post
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 11:54 AM) The lower specs model is just so bad and nowhere here or there. It’s like a bait to get ppl buying 200k model. both premium and performance models should be similarly equipped, no? Except performance comes with AWD and bigger motor. You will be getting the same safety suites, battery capacity, charging speeds, interior upholstery, etc. |
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 01:15 PM) both premium and performance models should be similarly equipped, no? Except performance comes with AWD and bigger motor. You will be getting the same safety suites, battery capacity, charging speeds, interior upholstery, etc. Yup. I think the premium is better buy, incase later gov announce ev roadtax based on how much power the car is outputting. Hailatt if u bought the performance variant MegaCanonF and I-Kurosaki liked this post
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Anyway just a note that both Model 3 and Seal are both very heavy and low ground clearence car. Think twice if your usual roads have high speed bumps, and also steep parking ramps
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Feb 22 2024, 12:48 PM) Good pricing.... but too bad im looking for SUV wait for Song L... Model Y rival.All EV SUV with more than 500km range now exp af So I stick to ICE je 6942nole liked this post
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QUOTE(Matchy @ Feb 22 2024, 01:26 PM) Dont think they intend to sell this outside of China or to RHD marketMore possible option is Sea Lion But gonna be few more years for that I guess. I have to get a new car this year This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Feb 22 2024, 01:31 PM |
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 22 2024, 01:36 PM) Dont bother taking the service package. Serious cakap as an owner. U alacarte the service is cheaper than buying package.They are just targeting the unsuspecting.. This post has been edited by Boy96: Feb 22 2024, 01:39 PM budak minyak and hihihehe liked this post
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 12:39 PM) 80% slow down is on a fast charger lah. Home charger speed is the same from 0 to 100 Boy, kedua2 model ini bateri size sama kah??But have to remember its a 80+kWh battery, so no need to full also takpe Maksudnya standard range 600km wltp per single charge?? Basic model already range 600km satu kali cas… biar betik… This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Feb 22 2024, 01:43 PM |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 01:43 PM) Boy, kedua2 model ini bateri size sama kah?? Bawa 90km/h boleh la achieve topkek.Maksudnya standard range 600km wltp per single charge?? Basic model already range 600km satu kali cas… biar betik… But u have over 500+ hp on tap, boleh kah tahan kaki not go over 100km/h. Expect 400±km je when driving at 140-160 |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:39 PM) Dont bother taking the service package. Serious cakap as an owner. U alacarte the service is cheaper than buying package. I'm surprised that you can opt out the optional ones - what are those 'optional' maintenance for atto 3? So buy service package = optional + mandatory?They are just targeting the unsuspecting.. Usually dealers would recommend to customers to take up the service package in order to lock the service and labour cost, which is the only selling point. |
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QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:27 PM) Bos…Anneh baru check SA sent brochure… Yuni seal the basic model battery size already give 82kwh… 😳😳😳 Its long range distance… 600km++ range per full charge… Tesla model 3 standard range battery size wonly 60kwh…. Means this car really vakue for money.. the price shud have been rm200-210k to compete with model 3 long range…. |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 11:39 AM) 80% slow down is on a fast charger lah. Home charger speed is the same from 0 to 100 Tesla model 3 RWD 18inch wheel 57.5kwh battery WLTP 554kmBut have to remember its a 80+kWh battery, so no need to full also takpe Seal Premium version 82.5kwh battery WLTP 570km. Efficiency down the drain. This post has been edited by yeapsc73: Feb 22 2024, 01:54 PM |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 01:50 PM) Need that much power for? You tekan all the way battery life gonna take a hit also. This is not like ICE where you can tekan without worriesQUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 01:52 PM) Bos… The catch is the charging speedAnneh baru check SA sent brochure… Yuni seal the basic model battery size already give 82kwh… 😳😳😳 Its long range distance… 600km++ range per full charge… Tesla model 3 standard range battery size wonly 60kwh…. Means this car really vakue for money.. the price shud have been rm200-210k to compete with model 3 long range…. |
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why is the service cost still similar to ICE car?
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Man this will sell like crazy man. People who were considering 3-series or C-class may also goyang... save money in the long run and get better performance. The only thing here may be the status symbol projected may not be at Tesla/BMW/Merc level yet coz of stigma associated with Chinese brands, but hopefully that goes away eventually.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 02:58 PM) Man this will sell like crazy man. People who were considering 3-series or C-class may also goyang... save money in the long run and get better performance. The only thing here may be the status symbol projected may not be at Tesla/BMW/Merc level yet coz of stigma associated with Chinese brands, but hopefully that goes away eventually. 82kwh battery size at just rm180k! You look at iX3, iX, EQA, EQB, EQC, i4 pricing, cannot even compete. Damn hhnnngghhhh!! If got V2L fature damn nice. Can camping sleep yinside car masak2 with car plug 😍😍🥰 |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 02:03 PM) 82kwh battery size at just rm180k! I really hope Tesla and BYD compete the shit out of legacy manufacturers. You look at ICE like BMW X3 X4 don't even have ACC and 360 camera but their price really crazy.Damn hhnnngghhhh!! If got V2L fature damn nice. Can camping sleep yinside car masak2 with car plug 😍😍🥰 max_cavalera liked this post
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In 2 weeks, Tesla announce price drop by 15k. Hahaha Something they are fond of doing. KingArthurVI liked this post
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 03:06 PM) I really hope Tesla and BYD compete the shit out of legacy manufacturers. You look at ICE like BMW X3 X4 don't even have ACC and 360 camera but their price really crazy. Byd really aggressive lor like this…Ditch the standard range seal, slap long range and name as premium as basic model. 82kwh battery. Put price 180km rm still below tesla m3 std range 🤣🤣🤣 Probably next year they ditch dolphin std range. Yitu extended range trus bekam rm99k starter ev car 😅😅 KingArthurVI liked this post
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all so happy at the price..... but 7kwh AC charging and 150kwh DC charging only, its nearly unacceptable for EV of this age. And Seal is on 800V architecture, it doesnt make sense This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Feb 22 2024, 02:19 PM KingArthurVI liked this post
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 02:09 PM) Byd really aggressive lor like this… Waiting for geely EV.Ditch the standard range seal, slap long range and name as premium as basic model. 82kwh battery. Put price 180km rm still below tesla m3 std range 🤣🤣🤣 Probably next year they ditch dolphin std range. Yitu extended range trus bekam rm99k starter ev car 😅😅 |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 02:16 PM) 570km range full charge…. Not to mention Tesla change to 19 inch another 9k,Anneh sudah terpanjut tadi 🤣🤣 Still price rm10k below model 3 standard range Byd default 19inch dy No need pay extra for different color also max_cavalera liked this post
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 01:48 PM) I'm surprised that you can opt out the optional ones - what are those 'optional' maintenance for atto 3? So buy service package = optional + mandatory? Optional one all those stupid wiper la key remote battery la brake pad la. Dont bother with those at all. BYD malaysia banyak pattern, early adopter last time service 20k km had to pay rm300±, then they adjusted the price to be less than rm200. Can suka2 hati reduce price. Usually dealers would recommend to customers to take up the service package in order to lock the service and labour cost, which is the only selling point. QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:53 PM) Tesla model 3 RWD 18inch wheel 57.5kwh battery WLTP 554km No doubt tesla wins efficiency wise. It iPhone vs Xiaomi all over againSeal Premium version 82.5kwh battery WLTP 570km. Efficiency down the drain. This post has been edited by Boy96: Feb 22 2024, 02:28 PM MegaCanonF liked this post
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 02:06 PM) I really hope Tesla and BYD compete the shit out of legacy manufacturers. You look at ICE like BMW X3 X4 don't even have ACC and 360 camera but their price really crazy. This is because of Malaysia stupid tax structure. They have to remove some features to reduce the car price. You can see this in the EV version, which is tax free, those cars are fully loaded with every features they have. |
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QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Feb 22 2024, 02:30 PM) only reason is cost cutting... but really 800V architecture and that ancient charging speed doesn't add upits like having a computer with i7 / i9 processor but only 8GB RAM This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Feb 22 2024, 02:36 PM |
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 01:58 PM) Man this will sell like crazy man. People who were considering 3-series or C-class may also goyang... save money in the long run and get better performance. The only thing here may be the status symbol projected may not be at Tesla/BMW/Merc level yet coz of stigma associated with Chinese brands, but hopefully that goes away eventually. This is just the beginning. But I heard BMW iX still have long waiting list? You look at iX3, iX, EQA, EQB, EQC, i4 pricing, cannot even compete. |
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QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Feb 22 2024, 02:32 PM) This is because of Malaysia stupid tax structure. They have to remove some features to reduce the car price. Makes me think when the tax exemption expires next year, how much would this be? 300k? Who will buy then?You can see this in the EV version, which is tax free, those cars are fully loaded with every features they have. |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 02:27 PM) Optional one all those stupid wiper la key remote battery la brake pad la. Dont bother with those at all. BYD malaysia banyak pattern, early adopter last time service 20k km had to pay rm300±, then they adjusted the price to be less than rm200. Can suka2 hati reduce price. Tesla charge 6 hours at home to full from 0. Seal 12 hours.No doubt tesla wins efficiency wise. It iPhone vs Xiaomi all over again |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 02:03 PM) 82kwh battery size at just rm180k! Useless 82kwh battery so big for nothing, can't even compete with base model Model 3 with only 57kwh. Exactly the same range. Efficiency is so poor and you have to wait much longer to charge. This is not counting that BYD only can charge 7KW on AC, which is so freaking slow 82/7 is more than 12 hours easily to fully charge.Damn hhnnngghhhh!! If got V2L fature damn nice. Can camping sleep yinside car masak2 with car plug 😍😍🥰 |
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 22 2024, 03:20 PM) Useless 82kwh battery so big for nothing, can't even compete with base model Model 3 with only 57kwh. Exactly the same range. Efficiency is so poor and you have to wait much longer to charge. This is not counting that BYD only can charge 7KW on AC, which is so freaking slow 82/7 is more than 12 hours easily to fully charge. Saw youtube neck to neck with Tesla Model 3 base |
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Feb 22 2024, 02:36 PM) only reason is cost cutting... but really 800V architecture and that ancient charging speed doesn't add up kek, so you are the guy in fb group making the exact same comment. its like having a computer with i7 / i9 processor but only 8GB RAM 7kw with smaller battery pack like on atto 3 probably still alright, but 82kwh? Europe and AU getting 11kw AC leh. Asia always have to accept inferior product. |
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QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Feb 22 2024, 02:30 PM) Absolutely doesn't make sense. Charging speed is so much slower than Tesla AND the efficiency is really so bad. 82kwh battery can only match 57.5kwh in range. The Tesla long range with the same 82kwh is over 100km extra in range. Either their aero design is much worse or the motor efficiency is really bad, or the software design. Doesn't make sense at all.Get Tesla means you can drive for much further and charge much quicker. If argument is for EV to replace ICE car for long journeys also then Tesla is far far far ahead now. Bonus: Tesla battery Vs BYD Blade battery construction. Clear to see which is better design |
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 03:34 PM) kek, so you are the guy in fb group making the exact same comment. AU also 7kW7kw with smaller battery pack like on atto 3 probably still alright, but 82kwh? Europe and AU getting 11kw AC leh. Asia always have to accept inferior product. Only EU get 11kW But UK Seal performance is GBP 48700, almost rm300k This post has been edited by Boy96: Feb 22 2024, 03:45 PM |
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 03:34 PM) kek, so you are the guy in fb group making the exact same comment. I think if your daily mileage under 100km and charge every night at home should still be enough (with 7k charger).7kw with smaller battery pack like on atto 3 probably still alright, but 82kwh? Europe and AU getting 11kw AC leh. Asia always have to accept inferior product. But whenever you went outstation to North or South, need to fork out money and time to charge with DC fast charge. This post has been edited by msacras: Feb 22 2024, 03:52 PM |
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Feb 22 2024, 03:41 PM) Same like ipon 13 with 4gb ram still can kick ass Tesla 200kmhEfficiency is key But honestly what’s the top speed ? 180kmh? BYD limited to 180kmh Top speed irrelevant for EV la, acceleration is key But even so not actually that different, basically the same for me. Carwow did test, BYD win maybe by a few cm in drag race but in gear acceleration Tesla win. Braking Tesla lose. |
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 22 2024, 03:45 PM) Read carefully where I said differently please.QUOTE Useless 82kwh battery so big for nothing, can't even compete with base model Model 3 with only 57kwh. Exactly the same range. This post has been edited by Gargamel_gibson: Feb 22 2024, 03:53 PM |
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Sometimes I bored waiting at traffic light I rev my car for fun.
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7kW, or 11kW
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 22 2024, 11:50 AM) Tesla 200kmh still feels so weird see drag race full pedal to the metal but no vroom vroom soundBYD limited to 180kmh Top speed irrelevant for EV la, acceleration is key But even so not actually that different, basically the same for me. Carwow did test, BYD win maybe by a few cm in drag race but in gear acceleration Tesla win. Braking Tesla lose. |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:18 PM) Yup. I think the premium is better buy, incase later gov announce ev roadtax based on how much power the car is outputting. Hailatt if u bought the performance variant I find the Performance Variant more worth the money. But the heavier engine makes the tyre replacement faster plus one more point of engine failure since it has two. QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 01:39 PM) Dont bother taking the service package. Serious cakap as an owner. U alacarte the service is cheaper than buying package. Actually EV cars don't really need much servicing, just see Tesla. But being Sime Darby if you don't send for service, they might not honour the warranty. Need confirmation on this. They are just targeting the unsuspecting.. This BYD Seal truly surprises me with the price. Considered "cheap" for the specs given. I really kick myself for changing my tyres before CNY. Now I have to wait 1 to 2 years before changing car and the value of ICE cars by then would deprecirate a lot more if EV can take off in Malaysia. Why I prefer the Performance variant, the batter is LFP... meaning in theory can last longer. And the warranty period is longer and more comprehensive than Tesla. Just that the AACP performance don't know yet. Plus infomation on future automated driving details etc that lose out to Tesla. Tesla's Performance Variant is not LFP. BYD LFP can charge to 100% with no long term degration issues? All in all I am really surprised Sime Darby price Seal so "cheap" with such long warranty period. Good, hope more competition means price will drop more! |
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 03:34 PM) kek, so you are the guy in fb group making the exact same comment. u know i know ok already 7kw with smaller battery pack like on atto 3 probably still alright, but 82kwh? Europe and AU getting 11kw AC leh. Asia always have to accept inferior product. seriously the charging speed and efficiency is what making the Model 3 seems like a superior product Seal can win by exterior and interior design only (up to preference) This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Feb 22 2024, 04:03 PM |
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QUOTE(joeblow @ Feb 22 2024, 03:58 PM) I find the Performance Variant more worth the money. But the heavier engine makes the tyre replacement faster plus one more point of engine failure since it has two. dont need to think about this too muchActually EV cars don't really need much servicing, just see Tesla. But being Sime Darby if you don't send for service, they might not honour the warranty. Need confirmation on this. This BYD Seal truly surprises me with the price. Considered "cheap" for the specs given. I really kick myself for changing my tyres before CNY. Now I have to wait 1 to 2 years before changing car and the value of ICE cars by then would deprecirate a lot more if EV can take off in Malaysia. Why I prefer the Performance variant, the batter is LFP... meaning in theory can last longer. And the warranty period is longer and more comprehensive than Tesla. Just that the AACP performance don't know yet. Plus infomation on future automated driving details etc that lose out to Tesla. Tesla's Performance Variant is not LFP. BYD LFP can charge to 100% with no long term degration issues? All in all I am really surprised Sime Darby price Seal so "cheap" with such long warranty period. Good, hope more competition means price will drop more! if your ICE is still fine then just drive it. Petrol stations are not gonna close down anytime soon if EV is really the way forward then in the next 5 - 10 years we would have much more superior products coming out |
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 03:48 PM) I think if your daily mileage under 100km and charge every night at home should still be enough (with 7k charger). 8hrs of AC charge only provide 50% top up - essentially this Seal has to be plugged in more frequent than usual. Boasting 800V architecture but offer charging speeds not on par with current 400V-based EVs. But whenever you went outstation to North or South, need to fork out money and time to charge with DC fast charge. QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 22 2024, 03:53 PM) It's either single phase with 32A, or 3-phase at 16A to fully utilize the 7kw Seal OBCThis post has been edited by I-Kurosaki: Feb 22 2024, 04:11 PM |
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Feb 22 2024, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 22 2024, 04:07 PM) ...?? How oh? Ofc not getting 22kw on 1 phase lah. Only getting 7kwDoesnt make sense. Single phase is maximum 240V x max 32A= 7.7kW round down to 7kW How can be 22kW on single phase? If in future I decide to upgrade house to 3 phase, no need to buy another wallbox. Can just reconfigure |
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QUOTE(joeblow @ Feb 22 2024, 03:58 PM) I find the Performance Variant more worth the money. But the heavier engine makes the tyre replacement faster plus one more point of engine failure since it has two. Current BYD users are being ripped off by Sime Darby with nonsensical service fees. Actually EV cars don't really need much servicing, just see Tesla. But being Sime Darby if you don't send for service, they might not honour the warranty. Need confirmation on this. This BYD Seal truly surprises me with the price. Considered "cheap" for the specs given. I really kick myself for changing my tyres before CNY. Now I have to wait 1 to 2 years before changing car and the value of ICE cars by then would deprecirate a lot more if EV can take off in Malaysia. Why I prefer the Performance variant, the batter is LFP... meaning in theory can last longer. And the warranty period is longer and more comprehensive than Tesla. Just that the AACP performance don't know yet. Plus infomation on future automated driving details etc that lose out to Tesla. Tesla's Performance Variant is not LFP. BYD LFP can charge to 100% with no long term degration issues? All in all I am really surprised Sime Darby price Seal so "cheap" with such long warranty period. Good, hope more competition means price will drop more! ![]() |
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so tempting to buy this car. so cheap. was planning to get tesla model 3 long range, but after looking at the pricing of BYD, fuhhh, terus rasa this is way more value for money. i would prefer the premium over the performance, as it gives more range, and the rest all the same. i don't need 3.8sec acceleration coz i still have the range anxiety with EV car. so this seal premium price at rm180k vs tesla m3 long range rm220k, fuh rm40k different woi.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 04:18 PM) what do they do actually during the service? since no oil kena tukar etc, what do they service? takkan tukar brakepad every year one.and since u said u have byd, do u know does byd have single pedal with break regenerative like tesla m3? |
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Thailand YouTube video, this car vs BMW 340i. Totally gone
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Feb 22 2024, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:21 PM) what do they do actually during the service? since no oil kena tukar etc, what do they service? takkan tukar brakepad every year one. Check computer, inspect all cables and hoses, tighten bolts, update modules.and since u said u have byd, do u know does byd have single pedal with break regenerative like tesla m3? Refer here for part changes ![]() No one pedal driving, but got high regen function when driving, so I dont need to use the brake pedal when slowing down, only need to press brake when coming to a full stop budak minyak liked this post
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Feb 22 2024, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:20 PM) so tempting to buy this car. so cheap. was planning to get tesla model 3 long range, but after looking at the pricing of BYD, fuhhh, terus rasa this is way more value for money. i would prefer the premium over the performance, as it gives more range, and the rest all the same. i don't need 3.8sec acceleration coz i still have the range anxiety with EV car. so this seal premium price at rm180k vs tesla m3 long range rm220k, fuh rm40k different woi. My buddies last time when bought 5 series recond, he test the Tesla car at recond shop. Exterior kinda wow, but when sit inside, he cant accept how simple and non luxury for the car, back then almost rm250k plus |
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 22 2024, 04:23 PM) Damn, can link? I remember CarWow Mat Watson tested M340i real 0–100 was around 3.9s when BMW claimed 4.4s so I was expecting them to be pretty close, with the BMW pulling away harder after around 140km/h |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 01:52 PM) Bos… Hmmmm macam ok juga o, got news about the battery replacement cost kaAnneh baru check SA sent brochure… Yuni seal the basic model battery size already give 82kwh… 😳😳😳 Its long range distance… 600km++ range per full charge… Tesla model 3 standard range battery size wonly 60kwh…. Means this car really vakue for money.. the price shud have been rm200-210k to compete with model 3 long range…. |
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 04:26 PM) Damn, can link? I remember CarWow Mat Watson tested M340i real 0–100 was around 3.9s when BMW claimed 4.4s so I was expecting them to be pretty close, with the BMW pulling away harder after around 140km/h ayamxxx and KingArthurVI liked this post
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 04:24 PM) Check computer, inspect all cables and hoses, tighten bolts, update modules. fuh rm8k++ service package just for this? mcm tak worth? but its for 8yrs. so hmmm Refer here for part changes ![]() No one pedal driving, but got high regen function when driving, so I dont need to use the brake pedal when slowing down, only need to press brake when coming to a full stop so for thee regenerative breaking, correct me if I'm wrong, it will recharge the battery say when we stuck in traffic right? example balik raya, jem on highway, the battery will recharge a bit2 kan? |
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:46 PM) fuh rm8k++ service package just for this? mcm tak worth? but its for 8yrs. so hmmm lol stuck in traffic or jam then battery can recharge? Power come from where? Unless downhill all the wayso for thee regenerative breaking, correct me if I'm wrong, it will recharge the battery say when we stuck in traffic right? example balik raya, jem on highway, the battery will recharge a bit2 kan? This post has been edited by Mixo Mania: Feb 22 2024, 04:53 PM |
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:46 PM) fuh rm8k++ service package just for this? mcm tak worth? but its for 8yrs. so hmmm Ya thats why i said tak worth it at all those service packageso for thee regenerative breaking, correct me if I'm wrong, it will recharge the battery say when we stuck in traffic right? example balik raya, jem on highway, the battery will recharge a bit2 kan? The regen brake will recharge the battery, but on flat lands its not noticeable at all. U can only see the battery percentage go up if you turun Genting highlands |
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I went and scoped out both Tesla and BYD today If you are thinking of getting Tesla M3 SR , then the BYD Seal Premium won't make you change your mind. At least not for me Maybe if M3 LR vs Seal Premium.. since you can save 40k This post has been edited by watzisname: Feb 22 2024, 04:53 PM MegaCanonF liked this post
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:46 PM) fuh rm8k++ service package just for this? mcm tak worth? but its for 8yrs. so hmmm Lol regen braking means it will recharge while braking, and stopped charging when your car is stopped.so for thee regenerative breaking, correct me if I'm wrong, it will recharge the battery say when we stuck in traffic right? example balik raya, jem on highway, the battery will recharge a bit2 kan? |
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standard 130k , performance 150k can consider . 200k no thanks.
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actually whats the point of 0-60 performance other than bragging rights? real world usage any significance?
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 22 2024, 04:52 PM) I went and scoped out both Tesla and BYD today SR as long you okay with kereta putih and don’t upsize the rim then got a bit chance. Once you get those add on I feel byd all the way. If you are thinking of getting Tesla M3 SR , then the BYD Seal Premium won't make you change your mind. At least not for me Maybe if M3 LR vs Seal Premium.. since you can save 40k Also you need to remember Tesla has no sales rep. Loan, jpj, registration all Sendiri kautim. Byd the SA will help you settle. |
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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Feb 22 2024, 04:56 PM) SR as long you okay with kereta putih and don’t upsize the rim then got a bit chance. Once you get those add on I feel byd all the way. ah yes.. u are right.. have to consider those as wellAlso you need to remember Tesla has no sales rep. Loan, jpj, registration all Sendiri kautim. Byd the SA will help you settle. |
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QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Feb 22 2024, 04:56 PM) SR as long you okay with kereta putih and don’t upsize the rim then got a bit chance. Once you get those add on I feel byd all the way. So far deal breaker for the Seal is the slower charging, ADAS and service fees.. if ok with those then i guess its a no brainerAlso you need to remember Tesla has no sales rep. Loan, jpj, registration all Sendiri kautim. Byd the SA will help you settle. |
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 22 2024, 05:52 PM) I went and scoped out both Tesla and BYD today Wtf 😳😳If you are thinking of getting Tesla M3 SR , then the BYD Seal Premium won't make you change your mind. At least not for me Maybe if M3 LR vs Seal Premium.. since you can save 40k 40k so big range price difference between seal long range and tesla m3 long range |
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 22 2024, 05:00 PM) So far deal breaker for the Seal is the slower charging, ADAS and service fees.. if ok with those then i guess its a no brainer efficiency is a bigger consideration. and the software in BYD isn't known to be as refined as well watzisname liked this post
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 22 2024, 04:52 PM) I went and scoped out both Tesla and BYD today did u able to test drive the BYD Seal? does it drive better than Tesla M3? I test drove Tesla M3, i don't really fancy the road noise. i know the road noise can still be heard due to no engine base sound, but from utube review they say BYD Seal is even quieter compared to Tesla M3If you are thinking of getting Tesla M3 SR , then the BYD Seal Premium won't make you change your mind. At least not for me Maybe if M3 LR vs Seal Premium.. since you can save 40k QUOTE(a_dot_el @ Feb 22 2024, 04:53 PM) Lol regen braking means it will recharge while braking, and stopped charging when your car is stopped. Ya I know that. that's why i give example like slowly bawak time jem during raya, kan we drive sikit brake drive brake on traffic, so wanna know can see the impact of regen or not.QUOTE(Mixo Mania @ Feb 22 2024, 04:56 PM) SR as long you okay with kereta putih and don’t upsize the rim then got a bit chance. Once you get those add on I feel byd all the way. true also. and somewhat i heard tesla rep also not so helpful and very slow respond to customers enquiries. not sure bcoz of work burn out or whatAlso you need to remember Tesla has no sales rep. Loan, jpj, registration all Sendiri kautim. Byd the SA will help you settle. This post has been edited by budak minyak: Feb 22 2024, 05:10 PM |
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 05:04 PM) did u able to test drive the BYD Seal? does it drive better than Tesla M3? I test drove Tesla M3, i don't really fancy the road noise. i know the road noise can still here due to no engine base sound, but from utube review they say BYD Seal is even quieter compare to Tesla M3 No sadly i didnt get to test drive the Seal yet..Ya I know that. that's why i give example like slowly bawak time jem during raya, kan we drive sikit brake drive brake on traffic, so wanna know can see the impact of regen or not. true also. and somewhat i heard tesla rep also not so helpful and very slow respond to customers enquiries. not sure bcoz of work burn out or what I booked a test drive at the TRX launch tomorrow.. not sure if I'm going though This post has been edited by watzisname: Feb 22 2024, 05:06 PM |
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 05:04 PM) did u able to test drive the BYD Seal? does it drive better than Tesla M3? I test drove Tesla M3, i don't really fancy the road noise. i know the road noise can still here due to no engine base sound, but from utube review they say BYD Seal is even quieter compare to Tesla M3 Tesla SA don't get sales comm ma.. so less incentive to push the car salesYa I know that. that's why i give example like slowly bawak time jem during raya, kan we drive sikit brake drive brake on traffic, so wanna know can see the impact of regen or not. true also. and somewhat i heard tesla rep also not so helpful and very slow respond to customers enquiries. not sure bcoz of work burn out or what |
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10 pages already so ts already boughted anot? I want pinjam jalan jalan impress amoi MegaCanonF liked this post
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 22 2024, 05:01 PM) Bad comparison. Like comparing iPhone 15 Pro Max with Redmi 13c. One base model one top of the line. Base model to Base model only 10k difference, top spec to top spec only 20k diff |
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 22 2024, 06:10 PM) Bad comparison. Like comparing iPhone 15 Pro Max with Redmi 13c. One base model one top of the line. Base model to Base model only 10k difference, top spec to top spec only 20k diff it's still the correct comparison.. Tesla LR vs BYD Seal Premium.. BYD Seal Performance should be compared to the soon to come Tesla M3 PerformanceAlso SD didn't release the Seal base model which is the Dynamic variant This post has been edited by watzisname: Feb 22 2024, 06:17 PM mick84 and max_cavalera liked this post
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 22 2024, 06:53 PM) No im merely responding to another user comment stating comparing m3 LR to seal premium is comparing hi spec model vs base modelBoth m3 LR and premium are mid range variants.. thats all M3 SR VS SEAL DYNAMIC M3 LR VS SEAL PREMIUM M3 PERFORMANCE VS SEAL PERFORMANCE I didnt say which one was better Personally if price wasnt an issue i would get a Tesla This post has been edited by watzisname: Feb 22 2024, 07:09 PM |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 22 2024, 04:31 PM) QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Feb 22 2024, 04:52 PM) Thanks boy. I also found this SG video... GTR and Huracan won Seal performance by only a hair. The rest including GT4 lost wow. .- 1 year ago . = ICE-supercars > EV-supercars, horsepower for hp. In the first place, why are the mass-manufacturers of EV-cars like BYD and Kia emphasizing on supercar performance ala Lamborghini, Ferrari or like high-performance Apple iPhones vs Android phones.? Shouldn't they cater more to the mass consumers and greenies.? . P S - ICE-supercars are usually about 500kg lighter than similar EV-supercars, eg 1700kg vs 2200kg. . |
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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Feb 22 2024, 04:06 PM) 8hrs of AC charge only provide 50% top up - essentially this Seal has to be plugged in more frequent than usual. Boasting 800V architecture but offer charging speeds not on par with current 400V-based EVs. So BYD Seal is much more of a long distance car then. It's either single phase with 32A, or 3-phase at 16A to fully utilize the 7kw Seal OBC Go charge at DCFC 150kW, you will get ~90% of that at fastest charging time at ~18 minutes from 20-80%. As for AC home charging, yes you have to settle for ~50-60% charge, since it’s a 7kW charger and can manage to charge say ~6-8 hours only. This is definitely NOT what i wanted for a 800V charging architecture EV car. Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 or Kia EV6 would win hands down (11kW AC OBC + 800V DCFC), but the PRICE could be more competitive though |
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QUOTE(watzisname @ Feb 22 2024, 07:07 PM) No im merely responding to another user comment stating comparing m3 LR to seal premium is comparing hi spec model vs base model When one base variant better than high spec variant of other brandBoth m3 LR and premium are mid range variants.. thats all M3 SR VS SEAL DYNAMIC M3 LR VS SEAL PREMIUM M3 PERFORMANCE VS SEAL PERFORMANCE I didnt say which one was better Personally if price wasnt an issue i would get a Tesla |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 22 2024, 06:53 PM) According to the Tesla Malaysia website, the range of the Tesla Model 3 AWD (Price RM 218k) is 629km WLTP while the range of the Tesla Model 3 RWD (Price RM 189k) is 513km WLTP.This post has been edited by m300: Feb 22 2024, 08:02 PM |
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 22 2024, 07:58 PM) According to the Tesla Malaysia website, the range of the Tesla Model 3 AWD (Price RM 218k) is 629km WLTP while the range of the Tesla Model 3 RWD (Price RM 189k) is 513km WLTP. That's for 19in wheel. 18in standard range higherhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/autonews.autou...-wltp-range.amp This post has been edited by yeapsc73: Feb 22 2024, 10:52 PM |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 22 2024, 10:46 PM) That's for 19in wheel. 18in standard range higher Not from the official Tesla website. If do any comparison, should be from official websites. Of course, everyone can have their own opinions, including "data" from other sources but then the source must be stated clearly.https://www.google.com/amp/s/autonews.autou...-wltp-range.amp |
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I think both the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal are good EVs. Also it is good that both are available here as it provides competition in the market and choice for the potential customers. As to which is the preferred EV, I guess it is up to the individual. So long the individual is happy with his/her choice, that's all that matters. Personally, I lean towards the BYD Seal Premium over the Tesla Model 3 AWD because - Price. To me, a RM 40k difference between the Seal Premium vs the Tesla Model 3 AWD is significant, although there is a difference in the WLTP range in favour of the Tesla. Also the Tesla has dual motor but since I don't intend to speed, it makes no practical difference me. - There is the uncertainty of the yet to be announced revised road tax for EVs. If it is still based on the horsepower then the dual motor of the Tesla AWD will attract a higher road tax compared to the single motor of the Seal Premium. - No gear selector in the Tesla Model 3. Need to use the touchscreen to shift between Drive and Reverse. It is certainly possible to adjust and get used to it but to me the gear selector in the Seal is intuitively easier and quicker to use, especially when parking. - The presence of the signal stalk in the Seal is again intuitively better than the signal buttons on the steering wheel of the Tesla. - Not too concerned with either of the car interior. Whatever it is, will get used to it. So, in summary, up to each and everyone to make their own choices. MegaCanonF, blackie19, and 2 others liked this post
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 23 2024, 12:36 AM) I think both the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal are good EVs. Also it is good that both are available here as it provides competition in the market and choice for the potential customers. As to which is the preferred EV, I guess it is up to the individual. So long the individual is happy with his/her choice, that's all that matters. I wonder why u r comparing seal Premium with model 3 LR while it is more closely match model 3 rwd. If u like seal Premium go ahead and buy no need to justify so much herePersonally, I lean towards the BYD Seal Premium over the Tesla Model 3 AWD because - Price. To me, a RM 40k difference between the Seal Premium vs the Tesla Model 3 AWD is significant, although there is a difference in the WLTP range in favour of the Tesla. Also the Tesla has dual motor but since I don't intend to speed, it makes no practical difference me. - There is the uncertainty of the yet to be announced revised road tax for EVs. If it is still based on the horsepower then the dual motor of the Tesla AWD will attract a higher road tax compared to the single motor of the Seal Premium. - No gear selector in the Tesla Model 3. Need to use the touchscreen to shift between Drive and Reverse. It is certainly possible to adjust and get used to it but to me the gear selector in the Seal is intuitively easier and quicker to use, especially when parking. - The presence of the signal stalk in the Seal is again intuitively better than the signal buttons on the steering wheel of the Tesla. - Not too concerned with either of the car interior. Whatever it is, will get used to it. So, in summary, up to each and everyone to make their own choices. |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 23 2024, 12:46 AM) I wonder why u r comparing seal Premium with model 3 LR while it is more closely match model 3 rwd. If u like seal Premium go ahead and buy no need to justify so much here I am just giving my opinion. Just like you. My comparison is based on the longest range of both models.As I said, to each his/her choice. I am not telling you what to do so so you don't tell me what to do. |
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Feb 22 2024, 07:23 PM) So BYD Seal is much more of a long distance car then. do you drive so much everyday until you need to topup more than 40kWh per day? 40kWh can give like 250-300kms. And even if you wanna go on roadtrip, 500km can go so far already. home charging is usually for everyday topups. If you drive alot that the AC charging isn't enough, a spare petrol car is enoughGo charge at DCFC 150kW, you will get ~90% of that at fastest charging time at ~18 minutes from 20-80%. As for AC home charging, yes you have to settle for ~50-60% charge, since it’s a 7kW charger and can manage to charge say ~6-8 hours only. This is definitely NOT what i wanted for a 800V charging architecture EV car. Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 or Kia EV6 would win hands down (11kW AC OBC + 800V DCFC), but the PRICE could be more competitive though |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 23 2024, 07:34 AM) do you drive so much everyday until you need to topup more than 40kWh per day? 40kWh can give like 250-300kms. And even if you wanna go on roadtrip, 500km can go so far already. home charging is usually for everyday topups. If you drive alot that the AC charging isn't enough, a spare petrol car is enough Or you can take public transport or grab if battery did not charge in timeSimple |
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Feb 23 2024, 07:40 AM) most of the limited charging speed issues are solved by having big batteries, like if you didn't go out in weekends you can plug it in for a very long time to replenish.by the way adding 250km for 6-8 hours a day is not that bad. back when i drive alot also less than 200km a day daily |
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QUOTE(noos @ Feb 23 2024, 08:52 AM) it's 50/50 oso7kW means single phase but tops at 7kW speed 11kW on alot tesla means three phase but 11kW only on 3 phase AC chargers (if you plug 7kW AC public charger it will only max out at 3.7kW) but it also meant if this BYD go plug in 11kW public chargers it will only max out at 3.7kW speed. best the car that supports 22kW AC charging max_cavalera liked this post
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QUOTE(noos @ Feb 23 2024, 09:52 AM) Yes. Value for money la for long range still cheaper rm10k than m3 highland std range.But still lose to tesla in ac and dc charging speed. And of course Tesla network of own Supercharger. This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Feb 23 2024, 09:31 AM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 23 2024, 08:23 AM) most of the limited charging speed issues are solved by having big batteries, like if you didn't go out in weekends you can plug it in for a very long time to replenish. On the other hand, having bigger battery means wasting energy to carry that dead weight, thus cutting further the already short range for those with limited charging speed, kan?by the way adding 250km for 6-8 hours a day is not that bad. back when i drive alot also less than 200km a day daily |
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 23 2024, 12:36 AM) I think both the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal are good EVs. Also it is good that both are available here as it provides competition in the market and choice for the potential customers. As to which is the preferred EV, I guess it is up to the individual. So long the individual is happy with his/her choice, that's all that matters. i second this!Personally, I lean towards the BYD Seal Premium over the Tesla Model 3 AWD because - Price. To me, a RM 40k difference between the Seal Premium vs the Tesla Model 3 AWD is significant, although there is a difference in the WLTP range in favour of the Tesla. Also the Tesla has dual motor but since I don't intend to speed, it makes no practical difference me. - There is the uncertainty of the yet to be announced revised road tax for EVs. If it is still based on the horsepower then the dual motor of the Tesla AWD will attract a higher road tax compared to the single motor of the Seal Premium. - No gear selector in the Tesla Model 3. Need to use the touchscreen to shift between Drive and Reverse. It is certainly possible to adjust and get used to it but to me the gear selector in the Seal is intuitively easier and quicker to use, especially when parking. - The presence of the signal stalk in the Seal is again intuitively better than the signal buttons on the steering wheel of the Tesla. - Not too concerned with either of the car interior. Whatever it is, will get used to it. So, in summary, up to each and everyone to make their own choices. rm40k diff is huge and arguably BYD Premium is overall a better car. I'm sold! jz wanna go test drive, and decide on color, then i will pull the trigger. btw guys, what color is nice? grey, white or black? (blue only for performance aite? plus I'm not fancy with the blue color) max_cavalera liked this post
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 23 2024, 11:42 AM) i second this! Your money dude.rm40k diff is huge and arguably BYD Premium is overall a better car. I'm sold! jz wanna go test drive, and decide on color, then i will pull the trigger. btw guys, what color is nice? grey, white or black? (blue only for performance aite? plus I'm not fancy with the blue color) Jangan tanya kturds. Go view in person and test drive it. Its not perfect car but its got its + and - point. Even same with Tesla got + and - as well. This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Feb 23 2024, 10:44 AM de.sengal liked this post
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Feb 23 2024, 10:44 AM) Your money dude. ask ktard always recommend Toyota Shah Alam and said no problem at all. Wait, visit the model FB group like Vios, plenty of stuff and problemJangan tanya kturds. Go view in person and test drive it. Its not perfect car but its got its + and - point. Even same with Tesla got + and - as well. |
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 23 2024, 10:42 AM) i second this! same feeling considering current car hit 9 years old already. But again for BYD, wait 6 months, later got cash rebates etcrm40k diff is huge and arguably BYD Premium is overall a better car. I'm sold! jz wanna go test drive, and decide on color, then i will pull the trigger. btw guys, what color is nice? grey, white or black? (blue only for performance aite? plus I'm not fancy with the blue color) |
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 23 2024, 10:52 AM) same feeling considering current car hit 9 years old already. But again for BYD, wait 6 months, later got cash rebates etc haha i was thinking that too, waiting for more rebates etc. but now keep thinking of the car, and cannot wait anymore, maybe will jz pull the trigger. plus the first 800 customers gets the free wall charger and rm800 worth of EV charging credit, so i consider that as rebate jugak lah, since the value easily more than rm3k already for both. |
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 23 2024, 12:36 AM) I think both the Tesla Model 3 and BYD Seal are good EVs. Also it is good that both are available here as it provides competition in the market and choice for the potential customers. As to which is the preferred EV, I guess it is up to the individual. So long the individual is happy with his/her choice, that's all that matters. yea man. for everyday driving, that gear selector for me is a huge deal. each time go exit mall / parking need to use touchscreen, rly kenot la. seal have proper gearknob. , even proper meter cluster. Personally, I lean towards the BYD Seal Premium over the Tesla Model 3 AWD because - Price. To me, a RM 40k difference between the Seal Premium vs the Tesla Model 3 AWD is significant, although there is a difference in the WLTP range in favour of the Tesla. Also the Tesla has dual motor but since I don't intend to speed, it makes no practical difference me. - There is the uncertainty of the yet to be announced revised road tax for EVs. If it is still based on the horsepower then the dual motor of the Tesla AWD will attract a higher road tax compared to the single motor of the Seal Premium. - No gear selector in the Tesla Model 3. Need to use the touchscreen to shift between Drive and Reverse. It is certainly possible to adjust and get used to it but to me the gear selector in the Seal is intuitively easier and quicker to use, especially when parking. - The presence of the signal stalk in the Seal is again intuitively better than the signal buttons on the steering wheel of the Tesla. - Not too concerned with either of the car interior. Whatever it is, will get used to it. So, in summary, up to each and everyone to make their own choices. tesla rly kenot the interior is a bit too "kosong" for my taste. maybe this is personal preference thing. If i'm considering between the two, BYD is an easy choice. This post has been edited by MegaCanonF: Feb 23 2024, 11:28 AM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 23 2024, 08:59 AM) (if you plug 7kW AC public charger it will only max out at 3.7kW) Nope. All 3 phase EV's are capable to charge at full 7kW when plugged in to a single phase charger.best the car that supports 22kW AC charging When it detects a single phase charger , it will charge at 32amps on 1 phase, however when its plugged into 3 phase charger, it will charge at 11kW due to 16a + 16a + 16a across 3 phases miuk liked this post
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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Feb 23 2024, 11:27 AM) yea man. for everyday driving, that gear selector for me is a huge deal. each time go exit mall / parking need to use touchscreen, rly kenot la. seal have proper gearknob. , even proper meter cluster. U really driven model 3 before?tesla rly kenot the interior is a bit too "kosong" for my taste. maybe this is personal preference thing. If i'm considering between the two, BYD is an easy choice. ![]() I don't even need to touch anything except brake ye0073 and max_cavalera liked this post
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Feb 24 2024, 11:51 AM
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Saw one just now at Butterworth area.. black kaler but not that nice as it hides all the lines
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Feb 24 2024, 12:00 PM
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Not a bad competitor but i reckon most Malaysians will still get the Model 3. Better interior and brand value. ye0073 and max_cavalera liked this post
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Feb 24 2024, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Feb 24 2024, 12:00 PM) Not a bad competitor but i reckon most Malaysians will still get the Model 3. Better interior and brand value. For the price im kinda interested. Saw Tesla model 3 next to my car on parking, this tesla doesn't give exclusive or premium feel to it, kinda just a regular car from outside |
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QUOTE(budak minyak @ Feb 22 2024, 04:20 PM) so tempting to buy this car. so cheap. was planning to get tesla model 3 long range, but after looking at the pricing of BYD, fuhhh, terus rasa this is way more value for money. i would prefer the premium over the performance, as it gives more range, and the rest all the same. i don't need 3.8sec acceleration coz i still have the range anxiety with EV car. so this seal premium price at rm180k vs tesla m3 long range rm220k, fuh rm40k different woi. Why you don't compare Apple to Apple?Premium vs SR? 10k difference. |
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Feb 24 2024, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Feb 24 2024, 12:00 PM) Not a bad competitor but i reckon most Malaysians will still get the Model 3. Better interior and brand value. Brand value is the main one. Tesla higher brand perception than Toyota Honda, almost nearly BMW Merc level, at least in my social circles. Cannot tahan the Build Your Dreams badge, too Chinglish ye0073 and max_cavalera liked this post
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Feb 24 2024, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 24 2024, 11:07 PM) Brand value is the main one. Tesla higher brand perception than Toyota Honda, almost nearly BMW Merc level, at least in my social circles. Cannot tahan the Build Your Dreams badge, too Chinglish but seal does not have the full name spelled out what.and anyway, is just sticker u can remove it if u want This post has been edited by darkterror15: Feb 24 2024, 11:33 PM |
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Feb 25 2024, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Feb 24 2024, 11:07 PM) Brand value is the main one. Tesla higher brand perception than Toyota Honda, almost nearly BMW Merc level, at least in my social circles. Cannot tahan the Build Your Dreams badge, too Chinglish QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Feb 24 2024, 11:33 PM) but seal does not have the full name spelled out what. Its not just the word ‘BYD’. Its more about the fact that its American and sort of a ‘show-off’ tech. In my circles too, Tesla is viewed as a Merc, BMW competitor. BYD is vied as a cheap but capable electric car brand. and anyway, is just sticker u can remove it if u want IMO, BYD should have launched the Seal before Atto and Dolphin to solidify the ‘Tesla competitor’ image! |
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Feb 25 2024, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 24 2024, 02:16 PM) For the price im kinda interested. Saw Tesla model 3 next to my car on parking, this tesla doesn't give exclusive or premium feel to it, kinda just a regular car from outside The inside is like sitting in another world. This isn’t necessarily good!The inside of the BYD is like sitting in a typical “European inspired” interior. This isn’t necessarily bad! sbd liked this post
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Feb 25 2024, 09:19 AM
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did you guys already talk about how byd seal is significantly heavier than tesla model 3? 350-400kg heavier and the byd seal is heavier than toyota hilux
ture wear gg especially the RWD model, braking distance also affected, and for sure since the motor need to move heavier mass it should have less mileage per kWh of energy compared to tesla model 3 This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 25 2024, 09:24 AM |
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Feb 25 2024, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 10:19 AM) did you guys already talk about how byd seal is significantly heavier than tesla model 3? 350-400kg heavier and the byd seal is heavier than toyota hilux Yes. I saw the seal random utube video when it is swirling around in a track. Can immediately feel its a heavy car.ture wear gg especially the RWD model, braking distance also affected, and for sure since the motor need to move heavier mass it should have less mileage per kWh of energy compared to tesla model 3 |
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Feb 25 2024, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 09:19 AM) did you guys already talk about how byd seal is significantly heavier than tesla model 3? 350-400kg heavier and the byd seal is heavier than toyota hilux From YouTube it won against Tesla model 3 base, on acceleration and braking.ture wear gg especially the RWD model, braking distance also affected, and for sure since the motor need to move heavier mass it should have less mileage per kWh of energy compared to tesla model 3 This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Feb 25 2024, 09:56 AM |
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 25 2024, 09:56 AM) try on older tireswe use cars daily until tayar botak, we don't change tires after the grips lost and then we haven't touch driving in heavy rain too This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 25 2024, 09:57 AM |
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Tesla selling 189, bydick selling 179. Yes you may argue bydick is long range. But Tesla is a Tesla...if seal selling at 159k then only talk.
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Feb 25 2024, 10:26 AM
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BYD Claim 3.8 sec but same result with tesla.. another downside byd top 180 while tesla over 200. #doneprotek |
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QUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 10:43 AM) Then wat makes u think tesla perform better with older tires ? Sound like tryin hard wan defend tesla jer no study science kerif heavy so good why all cars didn't want to put super heavy from the factory more pitiful defending car that is 350-400kg heavier This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 25 2024, 11:19 AM |
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Feb 25 2024, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 09:57 AM) try on older tires It still BYD Seal win for both acceleration and stopping distance vs Tesla Model 3 base. Why change subject to tyrewe use cars daily until tayar botak, we don't change tires after the grips lost and then we haven't touch driving in heavy rain too |
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Feb 25 2024, 11:24 AM
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Feb 25 2024, 11:25 AM
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Feb 25 2024, 11:27 AM
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Feb 25 2024, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Feb 24 2024, 11:00 PM) Many wanna justify how cheap and worth buying seal Premium over model 3 long range as both identified as long rangeBut seal Premium range only about 20km more than model 3 rwd and other specs are at most comparable or worst than model 3 rwd |
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 25 2024, 11:24 AM) does it change the fact that it is 400kg heavier and pose problems on normal drivers when they use the car literally daily?oh just because it win with new tires, it doesn't change the fact that it is still 400kg heavier which is not good. Mercedes eqs is 200-300kg heavier than seal and one owner in florida complaining had to replace the tires every 10000km. Good luck to those BYD Seal RWD buyers, maybe change tires every 15000km? good luck paying close to rm2k for the rear tires lol if die die wanna buy seal, get the AWD version, RWD just kills the tires fast, AWD more spread out power and nicer for the tire life This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 25 2024, 11:37 AM |
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Feb 25 2024, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:36 AM) does it change the fact that it is 400kg heavier and pose problems on normal drivers when they use the car literally daily? Thailand Seal owners already 30k+ km still on the original set of tyresoh just because it win with new tires, it doesn't change the fact that it is still 400kg heavier which is not good. Mercedes eqs is 200-300kg heavier than seal and one owner in florida complaining had to replace the tires every 10000km. Good luck to those BYD Seal RWD buyers, maybe change tires every 15000km? good luck paying close to rm2k for the rear tires lol if die die wanna buy seal, get the AWD version, RWD just kills the tires fast, AWD more spread out power and nicer for the tire life |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:18 AM) no study science ker Lul.. i dunu wat u smokin.. sum1 claim test proven ur so call weight thing is nt true then u tukar arguement pulak to old tyres & then now wan say ur science manyak terrer.. i dono who is the one desperate in defending .. topkek.. i nt a fanboi of tesla or any evs bt betul betul tak boleh tahan the way fanboi defend their yilong maif heavy so good why all cars didn't want to put super heavy from the factory more pitiful defending car that is 350-400kg heavier This post has been edited by Oishiteru: Feb 25 2024, 11:43 AM |
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Enjoy Tesla and BYD fan boys picking faults in opponent's model to justify own decision to purchase his own desired model in the first place.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 25 2024, 11:38 AM) rwd or awd? awd don't have this issue, europe they did study across cars and the result was awd evs can have 10% longer tire life but rws evs has 30% shorter life. that didn't account for weight yetQUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 11:42 AM) Lul.. i dunu wat u smokin.. sum1 claim test proven ur so call weight thing is nt true then u tukar arguement pulak to old tyres & then now wan say ur science manyak terrer.. i dono who is the one desperate in defending .. topkek go on defending the heavy car, you ordered one issit snd triggered someone say heavy car is not a good thing |
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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Feb 25 2024, 11:42 AM) Enjoy Tesla and BYD fan boys picking faults in opponent's model to justify own decision to purchase his own desired model in the first place. In fb group sum fanboi is desperate till they hav to bring up china company work ethics to make sure tesla sales remain topEven funnier if Tesla drop prices on Model 3 to fight BYD. First batch owners will not enjoy it. This post has been edited by Oishiteru: Feb 25 2024, 11:46 AM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:45 AM) rwd or awd? awd don't have this issue, europe they did study across cars and the result was awd evs can have 10% longer tire life but rws evs has 30% shorter life. that didn't account for weight yet Aiyo cukup la tesla fanboi.. dun try so hard it looks uglygo on defending the heavy car, you ordered one issit snd triggered someone say heavy car is not a good thing |
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QUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 11:47 AM) you never read my post in k before?some think i'm tesla hater, you can ask xiaojohn so sad to see speaking out about heavy car isn't good = tesla fanboi so smart la you This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 25 2024, 11:54 AM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:36 AM) does it change the fact that it is 400kg heavier and pose problems on normal drivers when they use the car literally daily? Lol. Wanna brag about Tesla. Normal folk only concern on performance, range and after sales warranty. Still wanna brag about weight to back up Toh just because it win with new tires, it doesn't change the fact that it is still 400kg heavier which is not good. Mercedes eqs is 200-300kg heavier than seal and one owner in florida complaining had to replace the tires every 10000km. Good luck to those BYD Seal RWD buyers, maybe change tires every 15000km? good luck paying close to rm2k for the rear tires lol if die die wanna buy seal, get the AWD version, RWD just kills the tires fast, AWD more spread out power and nicer for the tire life |
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 25 2024, 12:07 PM) Lol. Wanna brag about Tesla. Normal folk only concern on performance, range and after sales warranty. Still wanna brag about weight to back up T normal folks also concerns about weightkept on talking heavy hailat is bad etc etc but suddenly on byd seal becoming heavy it's ok and cannot criticize anything valid nowadays, sensitive people always label you as fanbois, no other argument anymore nice brain there This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 25 2024, 12:34 PM |
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Feb 25 2024, 12:38 PM
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Ah Beng will buy seal.....
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Feb 25 2024, 12:39 PM
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Then sell with total rugi price or beg people to buy after 3-5. Years
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 11:54 AM) you never read my post in k before? Rilex la.. no need graba quote tis quote tat to proof ur stance..some think i'm tesla hater, you can ask xiaojohn so sad to see speaking out about heavy car isn't good = tesla fanboi so smart la you The weight is a fact bt u yang pandai claim affect braking affect tyre wear affect distance.. bt when ppl nicely point out to u real test braking kalah .. u wan defend sumore wit old tyres.. u tell me topkek or nt? Lul .. kenot jus admit the brakes suck ke on tesla? This post has been edited by Oishiteru: Feb 25 2024, 01:00 PM |
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QUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 12:56 PM) Rilex la.. no need graba quote tis quote tat to proof ur stance.. oki next time i will always use your wisdom to educate people in /k/ that heavier car is better and i won't be selfish and will credit your name The weight is a fact bt u yang pandai claim affect braking affect tyre wear affect distance.. bt when ppl nicely point out to u real test braking kalah .. u wan defend sumore wit old tyres.. u tell me topkek or nt? Lul |
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QUOTE(Oishiteru @ Feb 25 2024, 01:07 PM) nola, you should see which can brake better, maybe rolls royce spectre better brake better then you should buy it. don't forget to post your photo on either rolls royce spectre or tesla since you nak beli kan? jangan tak post pula |
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Feb 25 2024, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 12:29 PM) normal folks also concerns about weight Lol keep on bringing weight concern for licking Tesla. Lol. Still lost acceleration, stopping distance, haha. Only their fans though they win something.kept on talking heavy hailat is bad etc etc but suddenly on byd seal becoming heavy it's ok and cannot criticize anything valid nowadays, sensitive people always label you as fanbois, no other argument anymore nice brain there Weight Tyre What next, cannot gets blowjob owning Tesla? This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Feb 25 2024, 01:28 PM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 01:10 PM) nola, you should see which can brake better, maybe rolls royce spectre better brake better then you should buy it. Pickup your brain to detect sarcasm jokedon't forget to post your photo on either rolls royce spectre or tesla since you nak beli kan? jangan tak post pula |
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Feb 25 2024, 01:31 PM
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all gado gado but no buy also hahahahaha at least you either one can gado defend your pride hahaha AbbyCom liked this post
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Byd vs Tesla....
Ayam ICE owner just sit down and munch popcorn. But I must thank them for being early adopters. |
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Feb 25 2024, 02:00 PM) Byd vs Tesla.... Your point about early adopters is valid. They flush out unexpected/underestimated issues as well as positive issues. For eg, my friend was one of the first fifty who got the BMW iX xDrive40 so he has used it for just over a year. The WLTP range as per specification is 425 km but he achieves on average 360 km. He is considering swapping for the iX xDrive50 with a WLTP of 630 km. He has lots of moolah so no issue for him as an early adopter.Ayam ICE owner just sit down and munch popcorn. But I must thank them for being early adopters. |
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QUOTE(m300 @ Feb 25 2024, 02:17 PM) Your point about early adopters is valid. They flush out unexpected/underestimated issues as well as positive issues. For eg, my friend was one of the first fifty who got the BMW iX xDrive40 so he has used it for just over a year. The WLTP range as per specification is 425 km but he achieves on average 360 km. He is considering swapping for the iX xDrive50 with a WLTP of 630 km. He has lots of moolah so no issue for him as an early adopter. Ironically, puak terpaling butthurt are those non-EV owners. Apa no resale value, apa range anxiety...what have these to do with them who don't own EVs? AbbyCom liked this post
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Feb 25 2024, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(voltan @ Feb 25 2024, 02:38 PM) not really..just our protek and tax made any car not ckd garbage pricing also our currencyif our car market open up bet ya byd and other china brand will be out try to kill japenis brands |
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EV in future will be cheaper and better with the improvement in technology and manufacturing. EV right now is still in the infancy stage. max_cavalera liked this post
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QUOTE(voltan @ Feb 25 2024, 02:38 PM) It’s the other way round. EV is gaining traction in Thai due to cheaper cost of ownership/maintenance/operation.We just need to remove our 50B petrol subsidies and you’ll see EV sale to the moon. |
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 25 2024, 05:02 PM) It’s the other way round. EV is gaining traction in Thai due to cheaper cost of ownership/maintenance/operation. 50BILLION RM yearly petrol subsidy by BMX….We just need to remove our 50B petrol subsidies and you’ll see EV sale to the moon. How many year more BMX and lapiji can afford this kinda 1mdb total market capitalization size yearly subisdy wastage??? |
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We need open price petrol to make masses jump to EV. Thai at rm4/liter (not sure in Baht but damn expansive) sure their citizens jump asap to EV
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 25 2024, 01:26 PM) Lol keep on bringing weight concern for licking Tesla. Lol. Still lost acceleration, stopping distance, haha. Only their fans though they win something. ini lagi tak baca my previous post, kept on labeling me as tesla fanboi but other people in k labeling me as tesla hater in other threads, but the others are right, while you just using this stupid argument of "licking tesla"Weight Tyre What next, cannot gets blowjob owning Tesla? QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 25 2024, 01:29 PM) selfclaim got brain but tak tahu sains ka more heavy isn't goodQUOTE(PowerSlide @ Feb 25 2024, 01:31 PM) i just saying the big weight difference isn't great for the owners which is true by physics but they so triggeredalso other market have 61.4kWh for their RWD version which brought weight down to 1885kg, way more reasonable for RWD to handle. This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 25 2024, 06:35 PM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 06:28 PM) ini lagi tak baca my previous post, kept on labeling me as tesla fanboi but other people in k labeling me as tesla hater in other threads, but the others are right, while you just using this stupid argument of "licking tesla" Never heard power to weight ratio? Enough of science talk if individual brain cant accept this level of knowledgeselfclaim got brain but tak tahu sains ka more heavy isn't good i just saying the big weight difference isn't great for the owners which is true by physics but they so triggered also other market have 61.4kWh for their RWD version which brought weight down to 1885kg, way more reasonable for RWD to handle. |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 25 2024, 06:28 PM) ini lagi tak baca my previous post, kept on labeling me as tesla fanboi but other people in k labeling me as tesla hater in other threads, but the others are right, while you just using this stupid argument of "licking tesla" Heavier car is more stable at high speed as you need more forces to sway its momentum.selfclaim got brain but tak tahu sains ka more heavy isn't good i just saying the big weight difference isn't great for the owners which is true by physics but they so triggered also other market have 61.4kWh for their RWD version which brought weight down to 1885kg, way more reasonable for RWD to handle. Also when big car and small car collide, the damages are usually worse on the small car. |
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 25 2024, 07:19 PM) Never heard power to weight ratio? Enough of science talk if individual brain cant accept this level of knowledge Yes u can compensate heavier car with more powerful motor, just that efficiency down the drainJust look at the 82.5kwh battery for seal Premium have range merely about 20km extra than the 57.5kwh model 3 rwd Of course if u don't mind slower charging and paying more electricity bill then no problem lah |
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 25 2024, 07:58 PM) Heavier car is more stable at high speed as you need more forces to sway its momentum. Generally yes. But EV is already heavy enough with the battery packs at the bottom so the centre of gravity is much lower Vs ICE and hence stable enough. Ppl already tried without problem driving at 200kmh on NSE for the model 3.Also when big car and small car collide, the damages are usually worse on the small car. |
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:06 PM) Yes u can compensate heavier car with more powerful motor, just that efficiency down the drain So pay for more pricier Tesla lol. U jump to EV, u already accepted that car is heavy as f in 1st place. Inb4 retain ICE if can't accept heavy car of EVJust look at the 82.5kwh battery for seal Premium have range merely about 20km extra than the 57.5kwh model 3 rwd Of course if u don't mind slower charging and paying more electricity bill then no problem lah This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Feb 25 2024, 08:18 PM |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:40 PM) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Went test drive today, holy crap so freaking fast. Damn damn.. no other cars can beat this price to features/performance Xiaomi is well known to be doing good at performance/price. So if their SU7 (or future iteration) ever hit our shores, it should be competitively priced |
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QUOTE(6942nole @ Feb 25 2024, 08:55 PM) Ya, i just done a price check.Over 300k RMB, realistically if coming to MY it’ll easily hit above RM250k I reckon. 6942nole liked this post
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BYD if u keep on tekan high speed 160kmh max can go 150km only right?
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 25 2024, 07:58 PM) Heavier car is more stable at high speed as you need more forces to sway its momentum. Also when big car and small car collide, the damages are usually worse on the small car. QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 25 2024, 08:09 PM) Generally yes. But EV is already heavy enough with the battery packs at the bottom so the centre of gravity is much lower Vs ICE and hence stable enough. Ppl already tried without problem driving at 200kmh on NSE for the model 3. .Aerodynamics is also a factor in car stability at high speed, ie not just heavier car weight which needs more energy to move, ie energy either from petrol/diesel for ICE-V or from battery for EV. Hence Tesla M3, BYD Seal, Honda Civic, Proton S7, etc have sleek aerodynamics or design. ....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downforce Downforce is a downwards lift force created by the aerodynamic features of a vehicle. If the vehicle is a car, the purpose of downforce is to allow the car to travel faster by increasing the vertical force on the tires, thus creating more grip. If the vehicle is a fixed-wing aircraft, the purpose of the downforce on the horizontal stabilizer is to maintain longitudinal stability and allow the pilot to control the aircraft in pitch. Fundamental principles The same principle that allows an airplane to rise off the ground by creating lift from its wings is used in reverse to apply force that presses the race car against the surface of the track. This effect is referred to as "aerodynamic grip" and is distinguished from "mechanical grip", which is a function of the car's mass, tires, and suspension. ... . |
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QUOTE(lee_lnh @ Feb 26 2024, 12:05 AM) Wrong. 100km.Many people didn't realise this until after they bought the car, they realize they need to drive at 90kph at highway to get their expected range, hogging the middle lane together with all the big ass spoiler modified wiras. My Alza can go further at 160kmph. EVs are a joke right now. Their efficiency drops down the ravine the moment they go above 60kph. |
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QUOTE(ernie ball @ Feb 26 2024, 10:36 AM) Wrong. 100km. civic ehev 2.0 40L petrol tank also can go 400km if consistently drive 160kmh lulMany people didn't realise this until after they bought the car, they realize they need to drive at 90kph at highway to get their expected range, hogging the middle lane together with all the big ass spoiler modified wiras. My Alza can go further at 160kmph. EVs are a joke right now. Their efficiency drops down the ravine the moment they go above 60kph. |
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If new bateri tech or some whatever new tech that will improve EV range comes out down the line lets say in 3-5 years,
Everything on the market or in your hand right now is going to be redundant = worth nothing anymore. |
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Feb 22 2024, 12:34 PM) Now is not the time to buy EVs. BUT, once the tax exemption for EV habis end of 2025, it will become way more expensive than it is now.EVs are going through deflation. Price wars from manufacturers are driving prices down. Buyers are waiting for more price cuts. |
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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Mar 25 2024, 12:35 AM) BUT, once the tax exemption for EV habis end of 2025, it will become way more expensive than it is now. EV tech keep on upgrading and new technology run faster than general ICE car. Next future with more battery tech, same sizes battery will gets higher mileage for instant. And best is, the pricing of EV keep getting cheaper, thanks to China car EV. Remember 2 years ago Kia EV6 cost almost 300k, only those T20 with T20 number plate owned it. Nowadays BYD Suv car plenty on the road. Cons on EV here that we yet to know the direction. Roadtax following EV car power? Confirm already? This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Mar 25 2024, 05:26 AM |
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EV cars are not suitable for someone that have Anxiety, Panic Attack or overthinking.
Same goes to Bimbo woman. Even the ICE cars that we are using right now, we can see a lot of bimbo woman keep making mistake of refueling using Diesel and forgot to refuel their cars. I can see the same with EV cars. |
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Fyi, ....... - BYD Seal - Tesla Model 3. BYD Seal is a copycat of Tesla Model 3. In China, the BYD Seal EV car sells for CNY180k = US$25k, whereas the Tesla Model 3 EV car sells for US$39k in USA and CNY246k = US$34k in China. So, a M40 in CCP China buying the BYD Seal EV car is like him/her having bought a Tesla Model 3 EV car = "got face" to go ya-ya around in his/her "Tesla" car. ....... CCP China can do this because they know it's unlikely that Tesla (or Porsche or Ferrari or Rolls Royce) will mount an IP lawsuit in China. Similarly for a wumao M40 in Malaysia buying the BYD Seal EV car or other similar high-end CCP China copycat cars in Malaysia at around two-third to half the price of the original. The reason for such a behaviour in CCP China ....... https://unbelievable-facts.com/2024/02/how-...pycat-cars.html - HOW IS CHINA ABLE TO SELL COPYCAT CARS? - 29 Feb 2024 If you are a relatively wealthy person in China, you can own a luxury car like a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari. It’s not a real one, European-made, but a copycat car that looks like the original. Whichever corner of the world we might be in, there is no escape from at least one, if not multiple, products with the label “Made in China ” in our everyday lives. China, also called the “World’s Factory,” is not just the biggest manufacturer in the world but also notoriously famous for producing knockoff versions of a large number of Western products with ridiculously similar names! Deats headphones (a play on “Beats”), Michaelsoft Binbows (heard of “Microsoft Windows”?), Mike (rhyming with “Nike”), and the list goes on. But it doesn’t just stop at consumer goods. China also manufactures a huge number of copycat cars that look and feel almost identical to their original designs. From copies of Rolls Royce, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, and Mini Coopers to Ford Ecosport, Hummer, and Toyota Yaris, the market for these Chinese copycat cars is immense! This brings us to an extremely valid question. Is it even legal? Let us dig deeper into this story. ... . When was the start of the flourishing copycat car industry in China? ... Although quite impressively replicated in designs, the quality and engine power of the copycat cars are usually significantly low. But the buyers love the fact that they can afford and own a car that looks as luxurious as a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari. Most of the original luxury Western cars are expensive and come with a huge import tariff. But the Chinese knockoff cars cost a fraction of the originals. The copycat car industry soon started to grow at a rapid rate. ... . How does China legally get away with its copycat car market? China has very relaxed laws regarding intellectual and design copyrights. With cars, it is always a challenge to prove a design is unique when it is mostly a variation in curves or lines. This results in very few successful legal cases against Chinese manufacturers. However, the exterior design of a car is protected under many legal schemes, like unfair competition, design patents, copyright infringement, etc. Usually, if companies lose under one scheme, they may win under another. This may finally be good news for the original manufacturers. So, how does one protect their intellectual property (IP) rights? Protecting design rights is the most important aspect of an IP regarding cars. According to the law, it is entirely on the owner of the IP to enforce the rights, and if he doesn’t do so, then there is not much the law can do. But the IP rights are always jurisdictional, and therefore, if a manufacturer has an IP right in the US or Europe, it doesn’t necessarily mean that China needs to abide by this, too. .... . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 30 2024, 10:52 PM |
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