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 Penang water pipe burst again!, Pls dun come to Pg for this weekend?

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post Jan 24 2024, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(Colinlim75 @ Jan 24 2024, 09:42 AM)
One month 4 times water disruption... good jobs CM Chow.

With hundred of high rise super condo on the way costing RM1 million each, yet the water pipe still using the old tech 1950... bravo Penanglist...


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Sudah tabley punyaโ€ฆ

The whole pipeline is compromiseโ€ฆ

Bodo pipur still wanna tampal, replace bocor part sini sanaโ€ฆ

Mao jimat!

The pipe besi thick ess tinggal few milimeters only! Inside already terhakis how many mms all this year??

Outside already terhakis karat how many mms??

Wanna withstand bulk water pressure summore dunno how many bars lar dey!!

Simua kasi tukar baru lar!!

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post Jan 24 2024, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jan 24 2024, 02:08 AM)
Many people have been asking PBA on its FB page: how can 2 x 600mm pipes replace a 1350mm pipe, capacity wise?

PBA: krik krik krik
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Buat 2 or 3 smaller parallel pipeline lar!!

Yini one big pipeline bocor satu penang gg!!

Yini machem punya plan bukan lagi bordoh kahh??!!

Tara backup pipeline punya??
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post Jan 24 2024, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jan 24 2024, 09:37 AM)
There's no update since last night when CM mentioned about sending divers in. It usually means bad news.

So this time, really cham liao. I suspect pipe broken badly, sheared off pun likely.
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Yup, looks like they also cant tell us what & when, as of now


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post Jan 24 2024, 09:49 AM

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If the PBA can't fix the issue then go hire some other country expert to oversee the situation lar...

always worry loosing money use the low repair cost...under DAP alway think of increase water bill but no bother of Penanglist life like Gerakan...

QUOTE(LA773 @ Jan 24 2024, 09:40 AM)
Yup, looks like they also cant tell us what & when, as of now
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post Jan 24 2024, 09:50 AM

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GEORGE TOWN, Jan 24 : Consumers in Penang have been told to brace for water interruptions to last from 48 hours to six days as the Penang Water Supply Corporation (PBAPP) works to resolve the latest water crisis in the state.

As of last night, PBAPP confirmed that 120,000 account holders, mostly in the island's largest district of Balik Pulau, have no water.

The Vibes learnt that many other households in the George Town district including the affluent community in Island Glades and Island Park, Fettes Park and Tanjong Tokong as well as the George Town World Heritage Site also faced interruptions.

Chief Minister Chow Kon Yeow and state executive councillor Zairil Khir Johari had since visited the affected site - the riverbed PBAPP pipe beneath Sungai Perai, near the Ampang Jajar bridge in Butterworth.

Chow told a live Facebook broadcast that the PBAPP is exploring two options - sending a squad of experienced divers to stop the leak which may take up to 48 hours or expediting the ongoing pipe diversion connection work, fusing the pipes from the riverbed to an overland pipe.

โ€œThis may take up to six more days,โ€ he said.

For now, PBAPP is studying all options, said Chow, who pleaded with consumers to be patient, as the state wrestled with its fifth major disruption in less than a month.

The most affected are residents in Balik Pulau, and most worrying is how factories in the Bayan Lepas Free Industrial Zone, which is the prime mover of the state's manufacturing economy, would cope under such major disruptions.

Chow said contingency measures were in place, with water tankers deployed to the same localities they were stationed barely two weeks ago.

Meanwhile, a former Penang Water Holdings Berhad (PBA) board member said with the Thaipusam celebrations tomorrow, the state needs to hasten the restoration of services.

S. Raveentharan said over a million devotees would be flocking to the state, and it was worrying how they would cope if there was no proper water supply.

โ€œIt will complicate plans to ensure a smooth celebration," he said.

If supply cannot be restored, Raveentharan called on water tankers to be stationed throughout the procession route.

The two chariots are scheduled to leave for the Arulmigu Balathandayuthapani Temple, also known as the Waterfall Hilltop Temple tomorrow.

News Credit : Ian McIntyre/The Vibes/24 Jan 2024
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post Jan 24 2024, 09:55 AM

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Fifth major disruption in less than a month.

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PBA Penang CEO kencing dalam seluar now

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post Jan 24 2024, 10:01 AM

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Basically this pba ceo need to resign

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post Jan 24 2024, 10:02 AM

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See la, the PBA website their core value don't even include Customer First.... Accountability my foot... LOL
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jan 24 2024, 09:55 AM)
Fifth major disruption in less than a month.

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PBA Penang CEO kencing dalam seluar now
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QUOTE(latipbogiba @ Jan 24 2024, 06:17 AM)
Mana area?
My mother place still ok but donno today la
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butterworth...sudah back to normal since last night
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QUOTE(atook @ Jan 24 2024, 11:02 AM)
butterworth...sudah back to normal since last night
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So fast got water already?

Ppl hoohaa can be upto 5-6 days no water
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post Jan 24 2024, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jan 24 2024, 01:08 AM)
Many people have been asking PBA on its FB page: how can 2 x 600mm pipes replace a 1350mm pipe, capacity wise?

PBA: krik krik krik
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It cant, due to the time constraint this close to 2mil project is a temporary mitigation but atleast this one can last longer but ofcourse the the combined volume is smaller than the initial one but the existing pipe really cannot tahan already so have to go for this.
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post Jan 24 2024, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Jan 24 2024, 11:53 AM)
It cant, due to the time constraint this close to 2mil project is a temporary mitigation but atleast this one can last longer but ofcourse the the combined volume is smaller than the initial one but the existing pipe really cannot tahan already so have to go for this.
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Understand. Any plan to add to this capacity while waiting for the like-for-like replacement?

For example, install a manifold and run HDPE pipes to supplement the 2 x 600mm? I understand hdpe pipes are relatively easier to install.
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post Jan 24 2024, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jan 24 2024, 01:08 AM)
Many people have been asking PBA on its FB page: how can 2 x 600mm pipes replace a 1350mm pipe, capacity wise?

PBA: krik krik krik
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Jan 24 2024, 11:53 AM)
It cant, due to the time constraint this close to 2mil project is a temporary mitigation but atleast this one can last longer but ofcourse the the combined volume is smaller than the initial one but the existing pipe really cannot tahan already so have to go for this.
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I think you don't know how pipe works
Of course can.
The water just flow faster in 2x 600mm pipes and then flow slower in 1350mm.


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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jan 24 2024, 11:56 AM)
Understand. Any plan to add to this capacity while waiting for the like-for-like replacement?

For example, install a manifold and run HDPE pipes to supplement the 2 x 600mm? I understand hdpe pipes are relatively easier to install.
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No need. The water just flow faster in 2x600mm. Capacity still same.
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QUOTE(LA773 @ Jan 24 2024, 11:34 AM)
So fast got water already?

Ppl hoohaa can be upto 5-6 days no water
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Ini pba la. Sambil pasang paip sambil lawan buaya
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post Jan 24 2024, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(vapanel @ Jan 24 2024, 12:02 PM)
I think you don't know how pipe works
Of course can.
The water just flow faster in 2x 600mm pipes and then flow slower in 1350mm.
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you need to square it

area of 2x600 mm is less than half of 1x1350 mm

you can increase the flow rate by upping the pressure, but got limit also or the pipe will pecah again
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jan 24 2024, 12:14 PM)
you need to square it

area of 2x600 mm is less than half of 1x1350 mm

you can increase the flow rate by upping the pressure, but got limit also or the pipe will pecah again
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What I mean is, if the piping is constricted at 2x600mm, the water will just flow faster there.

Nothing really change

Let's say output from pump is 2000l/hour flow rate

A (1350) --> B (2x600) --> A (1350)

The connected in between B will flow faster

But when it back to A, it will flow back to 2000l/h rate

Nothing change
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QUOTE(vapanel @ Jan 24 2024, 12:34 PM)
What I mean is, if the piping is constricted at 2x600mm, the water will just flow faster there.

Nothing really change

Let's say output from pump is 2000l/hour flow rate

A (1350) --> B (2x600) --> A (1350)

The connected in between B will flow faster

But when it back to A, it will flow back to 2000l/h rate

Nothing change
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Pressure need to increase with the faster flow rate, they cannot just keep on increasing pumping pressure and flow rate. Most likely will need to reduce a bit of pumping pressure if they do not want the new smaller pipes to burst too.

just a random figure i googled

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from the picture, take for example 40 psi,
big pipe ~230 gpm
2xsmall pipe ~2 x 50 gpm

if you want to maintain the flow rate at 2 x 100 gpm, the pressure in the smaller pipes would go > 100 psi.

so yeah, most likely they will need to reduce the pressure a bit.

in practice, the frictional losses would also reduce some of it.

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jan 24 2024, 11:56 AM)
Understand. Any plan to add to this capacity while waiting for the like-for-like replacement?

For example, install a manifold and run HDPE pipes to supplement the 2 x 600mm? I understand hdpe pipes are relatively easier to install.
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The diversion pipe is already ongoing works and due to yesterday major leakage again so the work gonna be rushed and hopefully get it done by this week so it can be joint to the existing pipe and decommision the underwater pipe.

Thats why now have to wait divers assesment then only see how teruk the damage is and how long the divers need to clamp it. And if the damage is very bad and needed the same amount of days as the diversion pipe then maybe will opt to connect the diversion pipe since it will be ready in a few days time.

If the damaged can be clamp easily then it will be clamp dulu then once the diversion pipe is ready then need to isolate this pipe again so can joint the supply to the diversion pipe.

But all this are temporary measure yea but atleast with the diversion pipe we wont have to worry about leakage since it is on the ground instead of underwater. For long term mitigation i think pba will monitor and see if the pressure from this diversion is sufficient or not.

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