The ending ? Don't know who that is. Mordred is the one who she slice the helmet into half, then when it broke, it revealed a face like Saber's, hinting that its her daughter, Mordred.

If linkinstreet is quoting a historical source that Arthur's gender is undetermined, then i'd like to see it. Heck I think Fate/Stay Night is the one that created that "Arthuria" name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_ba...for_King_Arthur
And even the name itself is questionable, as the early Welsh might have taken the name Arthur from Latin, and as Arthur is a male's name, makes Arthur a male. The legend of Arthur itself was fabled from the legends of Merlin, and become a standalone story in the end. Even now in Britain, Merlin is better known than the story of Arthur.
Added - My late father was a history teacher, and he majored in Asian and Euroean history. I've read many of his reference book during my childhood

This post has been edited by linkinstreet: Nov 15 2007, 07:19 PM

That knight's name was Bedivere. He was the one who returned Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake.
Mordred is supposed to be Arthur's b****rd son with his half-sister Morgause.

EDIT - Damn the filter

This post has been edited by Zephyr_Mage: Nov 15 2007, 07:40 PM

And from what i know, Modred wanted to ursurp the throne.

And Hang Tuah is a Chinese cuz my great grand uncle who apparently was one of the archivers who was ordered to destroy the true story said so. But who's gonna believe him?

King Arthur's historical accuracy can be questionable but he is definately a man if he ever existed based on the relative timeline he existed. There's no way a woman can be the sole monarch in the middle ages. If you said Arthur can be a woman, I can also say *insert religious prophet names here* may be women (and probably get lynched for saying so).

lol, the arthur legend comes from the Welsh side of the British isle, and there are women leaders there before they were conquered. Even scots have female clan leaders before they were taken over by the brits, usually when the clan leader die, the wife CAN take over his place if it can preserve the clan.

This post has been edited by linkinstreet: Nov 15 2007, 09:15 PM

I think you're the only person that insists that Arthur is truly a woman. Go write a PHD thesis on that.

Go live in britain. There are many historians that share this view. Myths are exaggrated, ecspecially in the British Isle where folklore are the favourite pastime there. Do you really believe there was a real Robin of Locksley? Bull. He's just a common outlaw that was romanticised and became a folk hero. Same with the Arthurian legend. Myths always fell into the gray area. It can never be verified by historians because there are no real proof of the person except for the writing. And when the stories have magic, dragons, and such, you know that it's not something that can be taken seriously

A myth is a myth. Heroes are made to be bigger than real life, I have no doubt about that. Read malay classics and you'll see that our heroes can fly, defeat 1000 men, chop off a king's balls and eating it in front of him and escape successfully (forgot which story was this), etc.

But come on....if u wanna change a sex of a person, you gotta do better than that. There's no proven theory that Arthur is a woman....and thus he shall remain a man till proven otherwise.

Arthur was a woman, Lancelot was a woman, and Guinevere was a man.

1) Hang Tuah might be a myth. Although there's a written history, but some of the 'facts' were likely exaggerated. There might be a man called Hang Tuah. Perhaps just a famous admiral of that time. The reason why Hang Tuah and the brothers were removed from the text book was because of this mythical aspects. Not because of being Chinese. About being Chinese, from what? His grave? He might not even real. Who dares to tell that as his fukken grave? Stop being racist, fag. Historically speaking, Chinese were just traders during ancient time here in this God forsaken land. There were Malay Kingdoms of old that were destroyed by fukken Thais. For example, Malay Champa in Cambodia. It was Hindu Malays of Champa who erected that fukken Angkor Watt under Khmer rules (after the fall of the Kingdom, Khmer ruled the area). Not even fukken Thai or Chinese. Of course that there were Muslim Saints in Java Island and other places in Malay Peninsular. But they're considered as missionaries coming from China (Kunming perhaps or other Chinese Muslim states). Not even about being Chinese that coming from Malay Peninsular. So, the basis of the origin people for Malay Peninsular is would likely baseless. Archeological aspect (this is not related with religions), Humans were emerged from Africa. Then going towards Mongolia and India. Mongoloid people were ancestors of Chinese. Same with Malays. Considering that, Chinese have same ancestors with Malays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid).

2) Joan d'Arc. Rabiatul Adawiyah. They're saints, however. How about Balqis, the sovereign ruler of a middle eastern kingdom? And of course Boudica. But then, King Arthur is a myth, as of now.

Well, Linkinstreet and Steno knew their stuff.

Kudos.

....... XD

1.) If i'm being a racist then Linkin's being a sexist? Geez. I was being half sarcastic about Hang Tuah being Chinese since i couldn't care less if he was Chinese or not. Besides there is no proof that Hang Tuah is a chinese since most of the bullshit that says he is has no basis whatsoever. (just like how Arthur is a woman?)

2.) No...think "founders" of religions then you'll get my idea.

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Added on November 15, 2007, 10:36 pmSo you agree that Arthur is a woman too? You of all people.

This post has been edited by wolfx: Nov 15 2007, 10:36 PM

There is some agreements among the scholars about that but it is hotly contested.

Afterall the popular version of Arthur we got is from French who embellished the story with more accepted virtues of chivalry.

There is possibility that the legend could belong to a woman warrior. Afterall, one of the toughest Roman insurgent is Queen Boudicca who burned down Londonium during the rebellion.

Like i said. As long as its unproven, Arthur will remain a man to me. Just like Hang Tuah will remain a Malay to me.

A quick google for "King+Arthur+Woman" doesn't even have a single related result on google. Perhaps you want to prove me wrong by showing a credible study?

Yes. Linkin is sexist.

Enough said, Arthur is a guy, Hang Tuah is a malay, even this is just a myth, I suppose the majority are fine with this. Don't have to argue the fact because Saber in FSN is a woman.

How if Saber is a shemale

That makes someone a queer

Go read books. Yes, you can google. But nothing BEATS real books. European history are littered with women leaders. Take teh Sigfried the dragon slayer legend from the Scandanavia. His lover was teh leader of teh vikings and was a great fighter.
I'm sexist. end of story

Saber is a shemale.

during the Knight of Rounds era, there's already technology to bust up ur breast



besides, Shiro loves shemales xD

*i just hope everybody wont take this seriously.relax.anime is anime.it is made to be enjoyable