QUOTE(soonwai @ Sep 6 2024, 02:16 AM)
List is probably growing and they are whacking VPNs as well so this is going to be a rough ride.Unifi Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadband Thread V42, READ 1ST PAGE FOR RELEVANT WIFI INFO!
Unifi Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadband Thread V42, READ 1ST PAGE FOR RELEVANT WIFI INFO!
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Sep 6 2024, 02:20 AM
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Sep 6 2024, 02:37 AM
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QUOTE(soonwai @ Sep 6 2024, 02:35 AM) https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2014/0...d-dns-security/ Are those restrictions in Turkey still going today?If your favourite porn site not working, take some time off, read this. Same thing happening now that happened in Turkey in 2014. Just find and replace Turkey with Malaysia and TurkTelekom with TM and already got news article for tomorrow. ChatGPT not needed. |
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Sep 6 2024, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE(AoiB @ Sep 6 2024, 07:04 AM) Government doing stupid shit doesn't mean it's not illegal/excessive though. I was wondering if FMT is still reliable to complain to or are they toadies now If you want to take action best bet is complain to both TM and MCMC. Explain to them why DoH and DoT at least should not be touched and how DNS can also help block Malware and act as parental control/adblock. Those are legitimate reasons for wanting to continue to use 3rd Party DNS over what the ISP provides. Even if many people complain I am sure they were just instructed to play dumb and ignore or you will get bot reply that it's for your own safety. Still fucked up to see this happening here in this country. Just last year we had 0 worries about this at all and now there are even people reporting VPN providers being banned. |
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Sep 6 2024, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(tvcat @ Sep 6 2024, 07:37 AM) Yeah, hence I said there that even if you complain they will just ignore. But if anyone wants to take action that is probably the best thing they can right now other than mass canceling TM contracts in protest. The worst part is that we're not even close to September 30th. Who knows what else will end up not working by then? |
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Sep 6 2024, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(solarmystic @ Sep 6 2024, 07:31 AM) it is the absolute height of hypocrisy that the ones in power right now are the ones to direct the ISPs to do this when in the past it was they themselves (e.g. DAP) who taught Malaysians how to circumvent censorship when their own sites and blogs were blocked by the previous administrations. Ultimately it's what the other person said: the majority just don't give a fk. One of the reasons they can't be assed to care about issues like this is because they are struggling with other hardships.There is no positive way they can frame this move, and i reckon it's extremely eye opening for those who were still coping about the true nature of this current government. As long as that is the case, it is near impossible to get decisions like this reversed unless bigshots in companies and the government itself disagree with it as well. Moogle Stiltzkin, solarmystic, and 2 others liked this post
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Sep 6 2024, 08:41 AM
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QUOTE(PRSXFENG @ Sep 6 2024, 08:08 AM) the majority, that are not on this forum, that have never touched the config page of their router before, and just use their connection to browse fb/tiktok/youtube/instagram would not feel a difference at all I don't disagree with you. There are many reasons the majority don't care including what you mentioned and what I mentioned above. But the DNS bypass as it was must have been used by a sizeable number of internet users for them to take action against it specifically. Maybe it was also because of how simple the process was: you just change a setting, input some numbers and everything is unblocked.they dont even know what DNS is the majority will be silent because as far as they're concerned, nothing changed, it just works fine and they trust the system, oh , a website is blocked? then it must be a bad website that deserves to be blocked there's a reason why these changes were not announced publically we are a loud technical minority That said: by the time one of their sites or online services is in the crosshairs of the gov, it will be too late to cry because there was no awareness of the slippery slope. This happened in other countries that censor the internet heavily too. So it's true that they don't feel a difference at all...yet. This post has been edited by blackbox14: Sep 6 2024, 08:43 AM |
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Sep 6 2024, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(kwss @ Sep 6 2024, 04:06 PM) Won't work. Very strange that they ask the data centers to invest and operate here then. Also, what are they so scared of that they are going this far?See blacktubi answer. But unless your job requires access to dns.google or one.one.one.one, I won't be too into it. But here's the thing, I am sensing the government is trying to break the internet slowly. Someday they will break all the VPN. EDIT: Clarification: Amazon can bypass DNS block. Amazon won't bypass BGP hijack. Btw, I asked this earlier in the morning when people were reporting more places kena: Which VPNS are affected so far besides Nord? Someone earlier posted that they couldn't download the client. |
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Sep 6 2024, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(Amaru @ Sep 6 2024, 04:16 PM) IPv6 Google DNS still seems to be working for me. Unifi does not seem to be blocking the *ahem* websites. You may be in an area that is not affected yet or visiting unaffected websites.Friend of mine didn't even know he was affected until he checked his Firefox and it wouldn't load any pages. He was using Chrome just fine but just so happened that all of the sites he frequents aren't on TM's list yet. This post has been edited by blackbox14: Sep 6 2024, 04:34 PM |
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Sep 6 2024, 04:47 PM
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Sep 6 2024, 06:00 PM
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Sep 6 2024, 06:02 PM
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Sep 6 2024, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(QuantumEdge @ Sep 6 2024, 06:04 PM) Yes for the first That makes more sense because I remember seeing a screenshot that included Adguard among other common public DNS resolvers.Rest I dont know, but I remember it supports different DNS services but Ubnt doesnt allow customization So TM basically blocked eveything in the list probably? |
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Sep 6 2024, 07:25 PM
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Saw on /k tered that DoH and DoT are not actually blocked and something about TM not having certs?
Does that mean if TM's servers functioned properly, then 8.8.8.8 and other famous DNS would still be usable with DoH, or still blocked? |
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Sep 6 2024, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(go626201 @ Sep 6 2024, 07:29 PM) To be clear,it is never be blocked. JUST REROUTE/REDIRECT. It is just because the ips has been redirected to TM DNS server,and DOT and DOH need to verify the certificate in order to serve the dns queries. So when it is redirected,the browser or devices cant verify the domain and certificate to be match with authorities ,so it just out of works to prevent MITM attack. QUOTE(PRSXFENG @ Sep 6 2024, 07:30 PM) they didnt block DoH or DoT port 853 directly Understood. So basically no change for end user since 1am earlier and DoH is still affected. It's just that it isn't actually blocked.however, they are forcibly redirecting your connection for those well known IPs like, your device asks and says it want's to go to 8.8.8.8 tm says oh it's here but instead of sending it to the real google, you get sent to tm's trap but when your device wants to talk with it, it sees that it is dns.tm.net.my, not what it was expecting and throws an error if you device doesn't care/verify, then your device thinks its connected to dns.google DoH but is actually TM and the dns exchange happens their goal is to block stuff and both of these work to block one just kills the connection as your device knows it's not the correct server the other just ends up with you asking tm when you think you're asking google I was just confused by the whole 'they just implemented HTTPS on the TM hijack servers' thing that was mentioned. |
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Sep 6 2024, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Sep 6 2024, 08:30 PM) 1. yes, TM's DNS servers are functioning correctly, albeit selectively returning poisoned results. I was confused by someone mentioning that TM turned on HTTPS on those redirect servers. 2. SSL certificate is a passport belonging to the organisation that issued or purchase it. 3. What is happening now is akin to everyone being sent to meet TM, and TM is presenting its own passport dns.tm.net.my but claiming to be Google, to be Cloudflare, to be Quad9, and all. 4. Up to you whether you want to believe it. 5. You're a fool deserving if you actually believed it, though. Actually, I still don't understand what the significance of that is. This post has been edited by blackbox14: Sep 6 2024, 08:38 PM |
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Sep 6 2024, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Sep 6 2024, 08:37 PM) And risk destroying the existing digital economy for Malaysian? Problem is that he thinks by doing this, he will gain that leverage he needs. The minister better becareful not to trigger any uprising instead. He has no leverage at all even with current DNS blocking and IP hijacking. Zero leverage. This is basically a declaration that all Malaysian netizen are under MCMC's control. |
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Sep 6 2024, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(isr25 @ Sep 6 2024, 08:48 PM) If you feel that your rights as a citizen is being breached by this DNS hijacking, then do read the previous posts on how to break through this breach of rights. There was a misunderstanding here. I meant the significance of them just switching on HTTPS on their hijacker servers. I already know why this DNS block is bad.Like another forumer here, I draw the line at a government that tells ISP to hijack DNS that is NOT theirs. QUOTE(l0k0 @ Sep 6 2024, 08:49 PM) Yeah, that's why I mentioned I was confused, especially since it doesn't change anything for the end user. isr25 liked this post
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Sep 6 2024, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(isr25 @ Sep 6 2024, 10:52 PM) This is what I’m concerned about and Fakmi just confirmed it. Any ministry can request a website block to the ISP without any justification or process. Simply request, then ISP will block. But to unblock, have to go to tribunal and god knows how long the process would be QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Sep 6 2024, 10:53 PM) "oh, @KDN asked to block because of copyright violation." Anyone else remember when they blocked all of Steam because of that one game that offended them? b****lah. one copyright infringed by random individual, and they decide to block the site provider. this is like bakar kelambu kerana marahkan nyamuk. akai takde? otak letak kat I bet there are other stupid cases like sites that are blocked just because there's one nude picture on it and one of the Jabatan Agama requested it, or a disgruntled parent reported ii. X_F@cT0R, solarmystic, and 1 other liked this post
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Sep 6 2024, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Sep 6 2024, 11:04 PM) Ah, you mean the deity fighting game? It's been like this for anything involving the internet in Malaysia because the first time anything like this was ever done was during Jibby's time and he set the precedent.Seriously, there is no judicial or process at all. Where does the doctrine innocent until proven guilty go? As per wikipedia, under the presumption of innocence, the legal burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which must present compelling evidence to the trier of fact. If the relevant ministry make request, MCMC blocks it. If MCMC receives complaints about a site, MCMC blocks it. It was never a priority of the politicians, nor the populace to ensure that the government of the day don't have too much power over the internet. All we had was the MSC bill of 'Guarantees' that didn't mean shit in the end. Epic_winner091 liked this post
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Sep 6 2024, 11:31 PM
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